Cable Connections

Cable Connections

Hi all,
I'm using a Vox Tonelab LE pedalboard to do my recording but i'm a bit
unsure how to connect it up....
I've got a Cakewalk Powerstudio250 breakout box that takes XLR and 1/4 jack
inputs L/R...

My Tonelab MFX has analogue outputs L/R......

I think i should connect the L/R outputs of my Tonelab into the L/R inputs
of the breakout box using 2 mono cables 1/4 jack to XLR..


Is my thinking correct on this so i get the full stereo effects?


Thanks for any insight.
Dave

Re: Cable Connections

"David" <not@home> wrote in news:br-dnejem4CVBrnVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt . com :

> Hi all,
> I'm using a Vox Tonelab LE pedalboard to do my recording but i'm a bit
> unsure how to connect it up....
> I've got a Cakewalk Powerstudio250 breakout box that takes XLR and 1/4 jack
> inputs L/R...
>
> My Tonelab MFX has analogue outputs L/R......
>
> I think i should connect the L/R outputs of my Tonelab into the L/R inputs
> of the breakout box using 2 mono cables 1/4 jack to XLR..
>
>
> Is my thinking correct on this so i get the full stereo effects?
>
>
> Thanks for any insight.
> Dave
>
>

If that's what you got - as long at their both 'line-level' (-10) inputs and
outputs..

Re: Cable Connections


"The Chris" <cabell@nospam.hotmail . com > wrote in message
news:Xns9A9996A36D2E721740@64.209.0.84...
> If that's what you got - as long at their both 'line-level' (-10) inputs
> and
> outputs..
>

Thanks,i should be ok then...
I was getting a bit confused as to the mono/stereo side of things...
So 2 mono cables should do the trick then?


thanks,
dave

Re: Cable Connections

"David" <not@home> wrote in news:ubWdnWZjJsBxALnVnZ2dnUVZ8qDinZ2d@bt . com :

>
> "The Chris" <cabell@nospam.hotmail . com > wrote in message
> news:Xns9A9996A36D2E721740@64.209.0.84...
>> If that's what you got - as long at their both 'line-level' (-10) inputs
>> and
>> outputs..
>>
>
> Thanks,i should be ok then...
> I was getting a bit confused as to the mono/stereo side of things...
> So 2 mono cables should do the trick then?
>
>
> thanks,
> dave
>
>

Yeah - they do that to adhere to the standard... No rack stuff (typically)
has stereo outs.. I *like* the fact that my POD has two big 1/4" outs....

The problem is, my crappy soundcard has a tiny stereo jack :)

So, yes - two guitar cables (T/S) will allow you to plug in there, or to put
rack gear in between.

Re: Cable Connections


> Yeah - they do that to adhere to the standard... No rack stuff (typically)
> has stereo outs.. I *like* the fact that my POD has two big 1/4" outs....
>
> The problem is, my crappy soundcard has a tiny stereo jack :)
>
> So, yes - two guitar cables (T/S) will allow you to plug in there, or to
> put
> rack gear in between.


Thanks a lot for the help!!
I've just ordered the cables.
I'm plugging into the Hi-Z input on the Powerstudio at the moment and using
Amplitube.

cheers for replying,appreciated.
David

Re: Cable Connections

On May 9, 3:47 pm, The Chris <cab...@nospam.hotmail . com > wrote:
> "David" <not@home> wrote innews:ubWdnWZjJsBxALnVnZ2dnUVZ8qDinZ2d@bt . com :
>
>
>
>
>
> > "The Chris" <cab...@nospam.hotmail . com > wrote in message
> >news:Xns9A9996A36D2E721740@64.209.0.84...
> >> If that's what you got - as long at their both 'line-level' (-10) inputs
> >> and
> >> outputs..
>
> > Thanks,i should be ok then...
> > I was getting a bit confused as to the mono/stereo side of things...
> > So 2 mono cables should do the trick then?
>
> > thanks,
> > dave
>
> Yeah - they do that to adhere to the standard... No rack stuff (typically)
> has stereo outs.. I *like* the fact that my POD has two big 1/4" outs....
>
> The problem is, my crappy soundcard has a tiny stereo jack :)
>
> So, yes - two guitar cables (T/S) will allow you to plug in there, or to put
> rack gear in between.

I usually just go from the stereo headphone-out jack (1/4" or 1/8",
depending on the modeler) straight into the stereo line-in of the
sound card. The only time I use the output jacks is when I'm going
into a mixer/PA.

Is that bad? ;-)

-d

Re: Cable Connections

"David" <not@home> wrote in message
news:ubWdnWZjJsBxALnVnZ2dnUVZ8qDinZ2d@bt . com ...
>
> "The Chris" <cabell@nospam.hotmail . com > wrote in message
> news:Xns9A9996A36D2E721740@64.209.0.84...
>> If that's what you got - as long at their both 'line-level' (-10) inputs
>> and
>> outputs..
>>
>
> Thanks,i should be ok then...
> I was getting a bit confused as to the mono/stereo side of things...
> So 2 mono cables should do the trick then?
>
>
> thanks,
> dave

Often effects with stereo outs have one marked as, for example, "Left -
Mono", which means that if you're plugging it into one standard guitar amp,
you use that one only, and the effect comes out in a mono mix. You don't
plug into the other one unless you have another amp or input that's
accepting that signal.

You would normally use two standard guitar cables. In some cases, *if*
both the effect and the input are marked "balanced", you can use what looks
like a stereo cable for lower noise. You won't see this on a lot of guitar
effects, it's mostly rack gear.

HTH
-pk

Re: Cable Connections

"Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message
news:QcadnY0wCLIpI7nVnZ2dnUVZ v7inZ2d@supernews . com ...
> "David" <not@home> wrote in message
> news:ubWdnWZjJsBxALnVnZ2dnUVZ8qDinZ2d@bt . com ...
>>
>> "The Chris" <cabell@nospam.hotmail . com > wrote in message
>> news:Xns9A9996A36D2E721740@64.209.0.84...
>>> If that's what you got - as long at their both 'line-level' (-10) inputs
>>> and
>>> outputs..
>>>
>>
>> Thanks,i should be ok then...
>> I was getting a bit confused as to the mono/stereo side of things...
>> So 2 mono cables should do the trick then?
>>
>>
>> thanks,
>> dave
>
> Often effects with stereo outs have one marked as, for example, "Left -
> Mono", which means that if you're plugging it into one standard guitar
> amp, you use that one only, and the effect comes out in a mono mix. You
> don't plug into the other one unless you have another amp or input that's
> accepting that signal.
>
> You would normally use two standard guitar cables. In some cases, *if*
> both the effect and the input are marked "balanced", you can use what
> looks like a stereo cable for lower noise. You won't see this on a lot
> of guitar effects, it's mostly rack gear.
>
> HTH
> -pk
>

Yes,the Tonleab has L/Mono,but when i use that i only get sound out of the
left speaker...so it would make sense to use both inputs,i think!!

thanks for replying,
dave

Re: Cable Connections


"David" <not@home> wrote in message
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> "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message
> news:QcadnY0wCLIpI7nVnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@supernews . com ...
>> "David" <not@home> wrote in message
>> news:ubWdnWZjJsBxALnVnZ2dnUVZ8qDinZ2d@bt . com ...
>>>
>>> "The Chris" <cabell@nospam.hotmail . com > wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9A9996A36D2E721740@64.209.0.84...
>>>> If that's what you got - as long at their both 'line-level' (-10)
>>>> inputs and
>>>> outputs..
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,i should be ok then...
>>> I was getting a bit confused as to the mono/stereo side of things...
>>> So 2 mono cables should do the trick then?
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> dave
>>
>> Often effects with stereo outs have one marked as, for example, "Left -
>> Mono", which means that if you're plugging it into one standard guitar
>> amp, you use that one only, and the effect comes out in a mono mix. You
>> don't plug into the other one unless you have another amp or input that's
>> accepting that signal.
>>
>> You would normally use two standard guitar cables. In some cases, *if*
>> both the effect and the input are marked "balanced", you can use what
>> looks like a stereo cable for lower noise. You won't see this on a lot
>> of guitar effects, it's mostly rack gear.
>>
>> HTH
>> -pk
>>
>
> Yes,the Tonleab has L/Mono,but when i use that i only get sound out of the
> left speaker...so it would make sense to use both inputs,i think!!

Yes. So-called "stereo" effects and outputs from things like the tonelab
are really two-channel mono, since the guitar input is mono.

What the "mono" jack does is allow the "dry" and "wet" signals - the
original and the one with the effect applied, ie the original and the
delay - to be mixed or separated, to appear on one jack only, or both.
With a chorus you may also get a L-R panning effect of the original mono
signal if both jacks are used, with a delay you'll get the original signal
on one side and the delay on the other.

I personally use the two outputs most of the time if they are available.
You may find that a hard pan to either side is less full-sounding than a
partial pan with a small amount of the other side mixed in.

It sounds like the levels match, and you're good to go for this. Could be
a lot of fun.

HTH
-pk



>
> thanks for replying,
> dave
>
>

Re: Cable Connections

"Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in
news:QcadnY0wCLIpI7nVnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@supernews . com :

> "David" <not@home> wrote in message
> news:ubWdnWZjJsBxALnVnZ2dnUVZ8qDinZ2d@bt . com ...
>>
>> "The Chris" <cabell@nospam.hotmail . com > wrote in message
>> news:Xns9A9996A36D2E721740@64.209.0.84...
>>> If that's what you got - as long at their both 'line-level' (-10)
inputs
>>> and
>>> outputs..
>>>
>>
>> Thanks,i should be ok then...
>> I was getting a bit confused as to the mono/stereo side of things...
>> So 2 mono cables should do the trick then?
>>
>>
>> thanks,
>> dave
>
> Often effects with stereo outs have one marked as, for example, "Left -
> Mono", which means that if you're plugging it into one standard guitar
amp,
> you use that one only, and the effect comes out in a mono mix. You don't
> plug into the other one unless you have another amp or input that's
> accepting that signal.
>
> You would normally use two standard guitar cables. In some cases, *if*
> both the effect and the input are marked "balanced", you can use what
looks
> like a stereo cable for lower noise. You won't see this on a lot of
guitar
> effects, it's mostly rack gear.
>
> HTH
> -pk
>
>
>

Whether it's mono or not doesn't always dictate if it's amp, or line
level... All of my 80's rack gear (Quadraverb, DEP5, Proteus, etc.) has a
left/mono output - but they are line level....

And a stereo cable (TRS) isn't low noise, XLR cables are, because they're
wound a certain way..

Re: Cable Connections

"David" <not@home> wrote in message
news:br-dnejem4CVBrnVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt . com ...
> Hi all,
> I'm using a Vox Tonelab LE pedalboard to do my recording but i'm a bit
> unsure how to connect it up....
> I've got a Cakewalk Powerstudio250 breakout box that takes XLR and 1/4
> jack inputs L/R...
>
> My Tonelab MFX has analogue outputs L/R......
>
> I think i should connect the L/R outputs of my Tonelab into the L/R inputs
> of the breakout box using 2 mono cables 1/4 jack to XLR..
>
>
> Is my thinking correct on this so i get the full stereo effects?
>
>
> Thanks for any insight.
> Dave

If the breakout box has 1/4" inputs, and the Tonelab has 1/4" outputs, use
those ones; the levels should match. You just need a pair of regular
guitar cables.

You'll know right away if they don't, and no harm done. If it works fine,
you can just upgrade the cables for slightly better performance.

HTH
-pk

Re: Cable Connections

"Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message
news:cZednSrpEr18ILnVnZ2dnUVZ sudnZ2d@supernews . com ...
> "David" <not@home> wrote in message
> news:br-dnejem4CVBrnVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt . com ...
>> Hi all,
>> I'm using a Vox Tonelab LE pedalboard to do my recording but i'm a bit
>> unsure how to connect it up....
>> I've got a Cakewalk Powerstudio250 breakout box that takes XLR and 1/4
>> jack inputs L/R...
>>
>> My Tonelab MFX has analogue outputs L/R......
>>
>> I think i should connect the L/R outputs of my Tonelab into the L/R
>> inputs of the breakout box using 2 mono cables 1/4 jack to XLR..
>>
>>
>> Is my thinking correct on this so i get the full stereo effects?
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any insight.
>> Dave
>
> If the breakout box has 1/4" inputs, and the Tonelab has 1/4" outputs, use
> those ones; the levels should match. You just need a pair of regular
> guitar cables.
>
> You'll know right away if they don't, and no harm done. If it works
> fine, you can just upgrade the cables for slightly better performance.
>
> HTH
> -pk
>

Yes,i've tried it with a guitar cable and it's ok..
I only get sound from either the left or right speaker depending what input
i'm plugging into...L/R....

I'd rather use both inputs and use the software to hard pan left and
right....

thanks for the help.
David

Re: Cable Connections

"David" <not@home> wrote in message news:joSdnbijEptkeLnVRVnyvwA@bt . com ...
> "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message
> news:cZednSrpEr18ILnVnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@supernews . com ...
>> "David" <not@home> wrote in message
>> news:br-dnejem4CVBrnVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt . com ...
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm using a Vox Tonelab LE pedalboard to do my recording but i'm a bit
>>> unsure how to connect it up....
>>> I've got a Cakewalk Powerstudio250 breakout box that takes XLR and 1/4
>>> jack inputs L/R...
>>>
>>> My Tonelab MFX has analogue outputs L/R......
>>>
>>> I think i should connect the L/R outputs of my Tonelab into the L/R
>>> inputs of the breakout box using 2 mono cables 1/4 jack to XLR..
>>>
>>>
>>> Is my thinking correct on this so i get the full stereo effects?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for any insight.
>>> Dave
>>
>> If the breakout box has 1/4" inputs, and the Tonelab has 1/4" outputs,
>> use those ones; the levels should match. You just need a pair of
>> regular guitar cables.
>>
>> You'll know right away if they don't, and no harm done. If it works
>> fine, you can just upgrade the cables for slightly better performance.
>>
>> HTH
>> -pk
>>
>
> Yes,i've tried it with a guitar cable and it's ok..
> I only get sound from either the left or right speaker depending what
> input i'm plugging into...L/R....

> I'd rather use both inputs and use the software to hard pan left and
> right....

That's what I do with my POD. Works great.


>
> thanks for the help.
> David