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question about mic'ing cabs
Here's the thing.
I have 2 cabs that are my favorites.
We mostly play un-mic'd but realize maybe one
day we'll have to mic things or get into situations
where we'll have to.
Ok - I work hard on getting good tones and the cabs/speakers
are really important. So the cabs I use are a 2x10 and a 2x12.
Each one has its own vibe and gives me a choice for tones.
Not drastically different in tones so I keep the same basic sound
but different enough so that it is worth having both cabs.
However each cab has mixed set of speakers
which create one nice sound coming out of each cab.
The speakers really work together nicely for me.
The 2x10 has Eminence Ragin Cajun and Celestion G10 Greenback
and the 2x12 has Mojotone BV-30V and Eminence Texas Heat.
So where in the heck would a mic be placed ?
Would it need 2 mic's (one on each speaker) and just mix down output from each speaker
into one channel out or would you place a single mic between the speakers ?
I would hate to have only one of the speakers mic'd up since that
would be losing half the tone (yeah I know it would be easier if all
the speakers were the same but they're not and changing them to all
be the same is not
an option - I like the sound from these too much).
Ok - any suggestions or tips on mic'ing up cabs with different speakers ?
I realize that the further away the mic (even being super directional)
then it gets too much leakage from all the other cabs/drums/vocal monitors.
ahh.. this is not cool. I really don't want to be mic'd up.
How the heck can a person work so hard to get great tones and
it just happens that I like the sounds from cabs with mixed speakers.
I have experimented a little mic'ing up each cab using
a single Shure 57 pointing at one of the speakers then through
a powered PA monitor - but it sounds nothing like the actual cab
since it's only getting one of the speakers. Then I tried to kinda
point the mic in the middle of both speakers but it sounds kinda muffled.
Don't tell me I need 2 mic's and mixer just to mic a cab with mixed speakers.
I really hate mic'd up crap. (at least I do right now).
I mean classical player's don't have to worry about this mic crap
because someone does it for them. they just play.
ahh.. forget it.. private joke there. sorta.
Here's the thing.
I have 2 cabs that are my favorites.
We mostly play un-mic'd but realize maybe one
day we'll have to mic things or get into situations
where we'll have to.
Ok - I work hard on getting good tones and the cabs/speakers
are really important. So the cabs I use are a 2x10 and a 2x12.
Each one has its own vibe and gives me a choice for tones.
Not drastically different in tones so I keep the same basic sound
but different enough so that it is worth having both cabs.
However each cab has mixed set of speakers
which create one nice sound coming out of each cab.
The speakers really work together nicely for me.
The 2x10 has Eminence Ragin Cajun and Celestion G10 Greenback
and the 2x12 has Mojotone BV-30V and Eminence Texas Heat.
So where in the heck would a mic be placed ?
Would it need 2 mic's (one on each speaker) and just mix down output from each speaker
into one channel out or would you place a single mic between the speakers ?
I would hate to have only one of the speakers mic'd up since that
would be losing half the tone (yeah I know it would be easier if all
the speakers were the same but they're not and changing them to all
be the same is not
an option - I like the sound from these too much).
Ok - any suggestions or tips on mic'ing up cabs with different speakers ?
I realize that the further away the mic (even being super directional)
then it gets too much leakage from all the other cabs/drums/vocal monitors.
ahh.. this is not cool. I really don't want to be mic'd up.
How the heck can a person work so hard to get great tones and
it just happens that I like the sounds from cabs with mixed speakers.
I have experimented a little mic'ing up each cab using
a single Shure 57 pointing at one of the speakers then through
a powered PA monitor - but it sounds nothing like the actual cab
since it's only getting one of the speakers. Then I tried to kinda
point the mic in the middle of both speakers but it sounds kinda muffled.
Don't tell me I need 2 mic's and mixer just to mic a cab with mixed speakers.
I really hate mic'd up crap. (at least I do right now).
I mean classical player's don't have to worry about this mic crap
because someone does it for them. they just play.
ahh.. forget it.. private joke there. sorta.
Re: question about mic'ing cabs
On May 13, 11:45 pm, Squier <squ...@strats,net > wrote:
> Here's the thing.
> I have 2 cabs that are my favorites.
> We mostly play un-mic'd but realize maybe one
> day we'll have to mic things or get into situations
> where we'll have to.
> Ok - I work hard on getting good tones and the cabs/speakers
> are really important. So the cabs I use are a 2x10 and a 2x12.
> Each one has its own vibe and gives me a choice for tones.
> Not drastically different in tones so I keep the same basic sound
> but different enough so that it is worth having both cabs.
>
> However each cab has mixed set of speakers
> which create one nice sound coming out of each cab.
> The speakers really work together nicely for me.
> The 2x10 has Eminence Ragin Cajun and Celestion G10 Greenback
> and the 2x12 has Mojotone BV-30V and Eminence Texas Heat.
> So where in the heck would a mic be placed ?
> Would it need 2 mic's (one on each speaker) and just mix down output from each speaker
> into one channel out or would you place a single mic between the speakers ?
> I would hate to have only one of the speakers mic'd up since that
> would be losing half the tone (yeah I know it would be easier if all
> the speakers were the same but they're not and changing them to all
> be the same is not
> an option - I like the sound from these too much).
>
> Ok - any suggestions or tips on mic'ing up cabs with different speakers ?
> I realize that the further away the mic (even being super directional)
> then it gets too much leakage from all the other cabs/drums/vocal monitors.
>
> ahh.. this is not cool. I really don't want to be mic'd up.
> How the heck can a person work so hard to get great tones and
> it just happens that I like the sounds from cabs with mixed speakers.
>
> I have experimented a little mic'ing up each cab using
> a single Shure 57 pointing at one of the speakers then through
> a powered PA monitor - but it sounds nothing like the actual cab
> since it's only getting one of the speakers. Then I tried to kinda
> point the mic in the middle of both speakers but it sounds kinda muffled.
> Don't tell me I need 2 mic's and mixer just to mic a cab with mixed speakers.
>
> I really hate mic'd up crap. (at least I do right now).
>
> I mean classical player's don't have to worry about this mic crap
> because someone does it for them. they just play.
> ahh.. forget it.. private joke there. sorta.
On May 13, 11:45 pm, Squier <squ...@strats,net > wrote:
> Here's the thing.
> I have 2 cabs that are my favorites.
> We mostly play un-mic'd but realize maybe one
> day we'll have to mic things or get into situations
> where we'll have to.
> Ok - I work hard on getting good tones and the cabs/speakers
> are really important. So the cabs I use are a 2x10 and a 2x12.
> Each one has its own vibe and gives me a choice for tones.
> Not drastically different in tones so I keep the same basic sound
> but different enough so that it is worth having both cabs.
>
> However each cab has mixed set of speakers
> which create one nice sound coming out of each cab.
> The speakers really work together nicely for me.
> The 2x10 has Eminence Ragin Cajun and Celestion G10 Greenback
> and the 2x12 has Mojotone BV-30V and Eminence Texas Heat.
> So where in the heck would a mic be placed ?
> Would it need 2 mic's (one on each speaker) and just mix down output from each speaker
> into one channel out or would you place a single mic between the speakers ?
> I would hate to have only one of the speakers mic'd up since that
> would be losing half the tone (yeah I know it would be easier if all
> the speakers were the same but they're not and changing them to all
> be the same is not
> an option - I like the sound from these too much).
>
> Ok - any suggestions or tips on mic'ing up cabs with different speakers ?
> I realize that the further away the mic (even being super directional)
> then it gets too much leakage from all the other cabs/drums/vocal monitors.
>
> ahh.. this is not cool. I really don't want to be mic'd up.
> How the heck can a person work so hard to get great tones and
> it just happens that I like the sounds from cabs with mixed speakers.
>
> I have experimented a little mic'ing up each cab using
> a single Shure 57 pointing at one of the speakers then through
> a powered PA monitor - but it sounds nothing like the actual cab
> since it's only getting one of the speakers. Then I tried to kinda
> point the mic in the middle of both speakers but it sounds kinda muffled.
> Don't tell me I need 2 mic's and mixer just to mic a cab with mixed speakers.
>
> I really hate mic'd up crap. (at least I do right now).
>
> I mean classical player's don't have to worry about this mic crap
> because someone does it for them. they just play.
> ahh.. forget it.. private joke there. sorta.
Re: question about mic'ing cabs
You're way-overthinking this.
Mic one speaker. Just pick one. Seriously.
For close miking, I like to position the mic about halfway between the
cone and the speaker edge, and point it in towards the cone at about a
45-degree angle.
-dave-----:::
www .myspace,com /geetardave
You're way-overthinking this.
Mic one speaker. Just pick one. Seriously.
For close miking, I like to position the mic about halfway between the
cone and the speaker edge, and point it in towards the cone at about a
45-degree angle.
-dave-----:::
www .myspace,com /geetardave
Re: question about mic'ing cabs
Make a line out box out of a 500 ohm pot, a 2K resistor, 4 alligator clips
and1/4" jack. Forget about the micing crap and run your amp through the PA.
"Squier" <squier@strats,net > wrote in message
news:130520082345219327%squier@strats,net ...
> Here's the thing.
> I have 2 cabs that are my favorites.
> We mostly play un-mic'd but realize maybe one
> day we'll have to mic things or get into situations
> where we'll have to.
> Ok - I work hard on getting good tones and the cabs/speakers
> are really important. So the cabs I use are a 2x10 and a 2x12.
> Each one has its own vibe and gives me a choice for tones.
> Not drastically different in tones so I keep the same basic sound
> but different enough so that it is worth having both cabs.
>
> However each cab has mixed set of speakers
> which create one nice sound coming out of each cab.
> The speakers really work together nicely for me.
> The 2x10 has Eminence Ragin Cajun and Celestion G10 Greenback
> and the 2x12 has Mojotone BV-30V and Eminence Texas Heat.
> So where in the heck would a mic be placed ?
> Would it need 2 mic's (one on each speaker) and just mix down output from
> each speaker
> into one channel out or would you place a single mic between the speakers
> ?
> I would hate to have only one of the speakers mic'd up since that
> would be losing half the tone (yeah I know it would be easier if all
> the speakers were the same but they're not and changing them to all
> be the same is not
> an option - I like the sound from these too much).
>
> Ok - any suggestions or tips on mic'ing up cabs with different speakers ?
> I realize that the further away the mic (even being super directional)
> then it gets too much leakage from all the other cabs/drums/vocal
> monitors.
>
> ahh.. this is not cool. I really don't want to be mic'd up.
> How the heck can a person work so hard to get great tones and
> it just happens that I like the sounds from cabs with mixed speakers.
>
> I have experimented a little mic'ing up each cab using
> a single Shure 57 pointing at one of the speakers then through
> a powered PA monitor - but it sounds nothing like the actual cab
> since it's only getting one of the speakers. Then I tried to kinda
> point the mic in the middle of both speakers but it sounds kinda muffled.
> Don't tell me I need 2 mic's and mixer just to mic a cab with mixed
> speakers.
>
> I really hate mic'd up crap. (at least I do right now).
>
> I mean classical player's don't have to worry about this mic crap
> because someone does it for them. they just play.
> ahh.. forget it.. private joke there. sorta.
Make a line out box out of a 500 ohm pot, a 2K resistor, 4 alligator clips
and1/4" jack. Forget about the micing crap and run your amp through the PA.
"Squier" <squier@strats,net > wrote in message
news:130520082345219327%squier@strats,net ...
> Here's the thing.
> I have 2 cabs that are my favorites.
> We mostly play un-mic'd but realize maybe one
> day we'll have to mic things or get into situations
> where we'll have to.
> Ok - I work hard on getting good tones and the cabs/speakers
> are really important. So the cabs I use are a 2x10 and a 2x12.
> Each one has its own vibe and gives me a choice for tones.
> Not drastically different in tones so I keep the same basic sound
> but different enough so that it is worth having both cabs.
>
> However each cab has mixed set of speakers
> which create one nice sound coming out of each cab.
> The speakers really work together nicely for me.
> The 2x10 has Eminence Ragin Cajun and Celestion G10 Greenback
> and the 2x12 has Mojotone BV-30V and Eminence Texas Heat.
> So where in the heck would a mic be placed ?
> Would it need 2 mic's (one on each speaker) and just mix down output from
> each speaker
> into one channel out or would you place a single mic between the speakers
> ?
> I would hate to have only one of the speakers mic'd up since that
> would be losing half the tone (yeah I know it would be easier if all
> the speakers were the same but they're not and changing them to all
> be the same is not
> an option - I like the sound from these too much).
>
> Ok - any suggestions or tips on mic'ing up cabs with different speakers ?
> I realize that the further away the mic (even being super directional)
> then it gets too much leakage from all the other cabs/drums/vocal
> monitors.
>
> ahh.. this is not cool. I really don't want to be mic'd up.
> How the heck can a person work so hard to get great tones and
> it just happens that I like the sounds from cabs with mixed speakers.
>
> I have experimented a little mic'ing up each cab using
> a single Shure 57 pointing at one of the speakers then through
> a powered PA monitor - but it sounds nothing like the actual cab
> since it's only getting one of the speakers. Then I tried to kinda
> point the mic in the middle of both speakers but it sounds kinda muffled.
> Don't tell me I need 2 mic's and mixer just to mic a cab with mixed
> speakers.
>
> I really hate mic'd up crap. (at least I do right now).
>
> I mean classical player's don't have to worry about this mic crap
> because someone does it for them. they just play.
> ahh.. forget it.. private joke there. sorta.
Re: question about mic'ing cabs
Squier wrote:
> Here's the thing.
> I have 2 cabs that are my favorites.
> We mostly play un-mic'd but realize maybe one
> day we'll have to mic things or get into situations
> where we'll have to.
> Ok - I work hard on getting good tones and the cabs/speakers
> are really important. So the cabs I use are a 2x10 and a 2x12.
> Each one has its own vibe and gives me a choice for tones.
> Not drastically different in tones so I keep the same basic sound
> but different enough so that it is worth having both cabs.
>
> However each cab has mixed set of speakers
> which create one nice sound coming out of each cab.
> The speakers really work together nicely for me.
> The 2x10 has Eminence Ragin Cajun and Celestion G10 Greenback
> and the 2x12 has Mojotone BV-30V and Eminence Texas Heat.
> So where in the heck would a mic be placed ?
> Would it need 2 mic's (one on each speaker) and just mix down output
> from each speaker into one channel out or would you place a single
> mic between the speakers ?
> I would hate to have only one of the speakers mic'd up since that
> would be losing half the tone (yeah I know it would be easier if all
> the speakers were the same but they're not and changing them to all
> be the same is not
> an option - I like the sound from these too much).
>
> Ok - any suggestions or tips on mic'ing up cabs with different
> speakers ?
> I realize that the further away the mic (even being super directional)
> then it gets too much leakage from all the other cabs/drums/vocal
> monitors.
>
> ahh.. this is not cool. I really don't want to be mic'd up.
> How the heck can a person work so hard to get great tones and
> it just happens that I like the sounds from cabs with mixed speakers.
>
> I have experimented a little mic'ing up each cab using
> a single Shure 57 pointing at one of the speakers then through
> a powered PA monitor - but it sounds nothing like the actual cab
> since it's only getting one of the speakers. Then I tried to kinda
> point the mic in the middle of both speakers but it sounds kinda
> muffled.
> Don't tell me I need 2 mic's and mixer just to mic a cab with mixed
> speakers.
>
> I really hate mic'd up crap. (at least I do right now).
>
> I mean classical player's don't have to worry about this mic crap
> because someone does it for them. they just play.
> ahh.. forget it.. private joke there. sorta.
My take ... the sound a close mic gets in no way resembles the carefully
crafted tone you are hearing from even a single speaker. In order to
compensate for the relatively direct tone you get, you'll move the mic off
axis, point the mic at the cone, or at the voice coil, or even point it
sideways to the speaker. Point is, what you hear in a room is gonna be
different from what your mic hears anyway, so grab a mic, and experiment
with placement in front of one speaker until you like what you get. The
only person who hears your cab exactly as you hear it is you anyway (or
someone standing right next to you), so just take the path of least
resistance. Who knows, you might just find a tone you like. As for me, I'd
start with the darkest speaker.
Don
Squier wrote:
> Here's the thing.
> I have 2 cabs that are my favorites.
> We mostly play un-mic'd but realize maybe one
> day we'll have to mic things or get into situations
> where we'll have to.
> Ok - I work hard on getting good tones and the cabs/speakers
> are really important. So the cabs I use are a 2x10 and a 2x12.
> Each one has its own vibe and gives me a choice for tones.
> Not drastically different in tones so I keep the same basic sound
> but different enough so that it is worth having both cabs.
>
> However each cab has mixed set of speakers
> which create one nice sound coming out of each cab.
> The speakers really work together nicely for me.
> The 2x10 has Eminence Ragin Cajun and Celestion G10 Greenback
> and the 2x12 has Mojotone BV-30V and Eminence Texas Heat.
> So where in the heck would a mic be placed ?
> Would it need 2 mic's (one on each speaker) and just mix down output
> from each speaker into one channel out or would you place a single
> mic between the speakers ?
> I would hate to have only one of the speakers mic'd up since that
> would be losing half the tone (yeah I know it would be easier if all
> the speakers were the same but they're not and changing them to all
> be the same is not
> an option - I like the sound from these too much).
>
> Ok - any suggestions or tips on mic'ing up cabs with different
> speakers ?
> I realize that the further away the mic (even being super directional)
> then it gets too much leakage from all the other cabs/drums/vocal
> monitors.
>
> ahh.. this is not cool. I really don't want to be mic'd up.
> How the heck can a person work so hard to get great tones and
> it just happens that I like the sounds from cabs with mixed speakers.
>
> I have experimented a little mic'ing up each cab using
> a single Shure 57 pointing at one of the speakers then through
> a powered PA monitor - but it sounds nothing like the actual cab
> since it's only getting one of the speakers. Then I tried to kinda
> point the mic in the middle of both speakers but it sounds kinda
> muffled.
> Don't tell me I need 2 mic's and mixer just to mic a cab with mixed
> speakers.
>
> I really hate mic'd up crap. (at least I do right now).
>
> I mean classical player's don't have to worry about this mic crap
> because someone does it for them. they just play.
> ahh.. forget it.. private joke there. sorta.
My take ... the sound a close mic gets in no way resembles the carefully
crafted tone you are hearing from even a single speaker. In order to
compensate for the relatively direct tone you get, you'll move the mic off
axis, point the mic at the cone, or at the voice coil, or even point it
sideways to the speaker. Point is, what you hear in a room is gonna be
different from what your mic hears anyway, so grab a mic, and experiment
with placement in front of one speaker until you like what you get. The
only person who hears your cab exactly as you hear it is you anyway (or
someone standing right next to you), so just take the path of least
resistance. Who knows, you might just find a tone you like. As for me, I'd
start with the darkest speaker.
Don
Re: question about mic'ing cabs
On May 13, 11:45 pm, Squier <squ...@strats,net > wrote:
> Here's the thing.
> I have 2 cabs that are my favorites.
> We mostly play un-mic'd but realize maybe one
> day we'll have to mic things or get into situations
> where we'll have to.
> Ok - I work hard on getting good tones and the cabs/speakers
> are really important. So the cabs I use are a 2x10 and a 2x12.
> Each one has its own vibe and gives me a choice for tones.
> Not drastically different in tones so I keep the same basic sound
> but different enough so that it is worth having both cabs.
>
> However each cab has mixed set of speakers
> which create one nice sound coming out of each cab.
> The speakers really work together nicely for me.
> The 2x10 has Eminence Ragin Cajun and Celestion G10 Greenback
> and the 2x12 has Mojotone BV-30V and Eminence Texas Heat.
> So where in the heck would a mic be placed ?
> Would it need 2 mic's (one on each speaker) and just mix down output from each speaker
> into one channel out or would you place a single mic between the speakers ?
> I would hate to have only one of the speakers mic'd up since that
> would be losing half the tone (yeah I know it would be easier if all
> the speakers were the same but they're not and changing them to all
> be the same is not
> an option - I like the sound from these too much).
>
> Ok - any suggestions or tips on mic'ing up cabs with different speakers ?
> I realize that the further away the mic (even being super directional)
> then it gets too much leakage from all the other cabs/drums/vocal monitors.
>
> ahh.. this is not cool. I really don't want to be mic'd up.
> How the heck can a person work so hard to get great tones and
> it just happens that I like the sounds from cabs with mixed speakers.
>
> I have experimented a little mic'ing up each cab using
> a single Shure 57 pointing at one of the speakers then through
> a powered PA monitor - but it sounds nothing like the actual cab
> since it's only getting one of the speakers. Then I tried to kinda
> point the mic in the middle of both speakers but it sounds kinda muffled.
> Don't tell me I need 2 mic's and mixer just to mic a cab with mixed speakers.
>
> I really hate mic'd up crap. (at least I do right now).
>
> I mean classical player's don't have to worry about this mic crap
> because someone does it for them. they just play.
> ahh.. forget it.. private joke there. sorta.
You're fighting a lot more variables than just the fact that you have
two different types of speakers not limited to mic placement and room
ambiance. My advice is to mic just one speaker and experiment with
the mic's placement to get the best sound you can as you'll get more
tonal variation from that than you would from micing both cabs.
On May 13, 11:45 pm, Squier <squ...@strats,net > wrote:
> Here's the thing.
> I have 2 cabs that are my favorites.
> We mostly play un-mic'd but realize maybe one
> day we'll have to mic things or get into situations
> where we'll have to.
> Ok - I work hard on getting good tones and the cabs/speakers
> are really important. So the cabs I use are a 2x10 and a 2x12.
> Each one has its own vibe and gives me a choice for tones.
> Not drastically different in tones so I keep the same basic sound
> but different enough so that it is worth having both cabs.
>
> However each cab has mixed set of speakers
> which create one nice sound coming out of each cab.
> The speakers really work together nicely for me.
> The 2x10 has Eminence Ragin Cajun and Celestion G10 Greenback
> and the 2x12 has Mojotone BV-30V and Eminence Texas Heat.
> So where in the heck would a mic be placed ?
> Would it need 2 mic's (one on each speaker) and just mix down output from each speaker
> into one channel out or would you place a single mic between the speakers ?
> I would hate to have only one of the speakers mic'd up since that
> would be losing half the tone (yeah I know it would be easier if all
> the speakers were the same but they're not and changing them to all
> be the same is not
> an option - I like the sound from these too much).
>
> Ok - any suggestions or tips on mic'ing up cabs with different speakers ?
> I realize that the further away the mic (even being super directional)
> then it gets too much leakage from all the other cabs/drums/vocal monitors.
>
> ahh.. this is not cool. I really don't want to be mic'd up.
> How the heck can a person work so hard to get great tones and
> it just happens that I like the sounds from cabs with mixed speakers.
>
> I have experimented a little mic'ing up each cab using
> a single Shure 57 pointing at one of the speakers then through
> a powered PA monitor - but it sounds nothing like the actual cab
> since it's only getting one of the speakers. Then I tried to kinda
> point the mic in the middle of both speakers but it sounds kinda muffled.
> Don't tell me I need 2 mic's and mixer just to mic a cab with mixed speakers.
>
> I really hate mic'd up crap. (at least I do right now).
>
> I mean classical player's don't have to worry about this mic crap
> because someone does it for them. they just play.
> ahh.. forget it.. private joke there. sorta.
You're fighting a lot more variables than just the fact that you have
two different types of speakers not limited to mic placement and room
ambiance. My advice is to mic just one speaker and experiment with
the mic's placement to get the best sound you can as you'll get more
tonal variation from that than you would from micing both cabs.
Re: question about mic'ing cabs
Squier <squier@strats,net > wrote:
> Here's the thing.
> I have 2 cabs that are my favorites.
> We mostly play un-mic'd but realize maybe one
> day we'll have to mic things or get into situations
> where we'll have to...
>
> Snip the rest of my posted text
Ok well I'm going to try some of the suggestions
of just getting over it and mic'ing up one of the
speakers and then adjusting the mic placement.
I still don't like this mic stuff as I like
the sound coming straight from my rig but realize
I'll probably have to deal with mic'ing up sooner or later (ugh).
And I will also try Keith's direct line out suggestion
as this might work out pretty well.
ok - thanks for the advice and replies!
appreciated./
Squier <squier@strats,net > wrote:
> Here's the thing.
> I have 2 cabs that are my favorites.
> We mostly play un-mic'd but realize maybe one
> day we'll have to mic things or get into situations
> where we'll have to...
>
> Snip the rest of my posted text
Ok well I'm going to try some of the suggestions
of just getting over it and mic'ing up one of the
speakers and then adjusting the mic placement.
I still don't like this mic stuff as I like
the sound coming straight from my rig but realize
I'll probably have to deal with mic'ing up sooner or later (ugh).
And I will also try Keith's direct line out suggestion
as this might work out pretty well.
ok - thanks for the advice and replies!
appreciated./
