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Re: OT:Want a van...
DeeAa wrote:
> Must be some kind of a disease. I want another Chevy van. Well they're good
> for band trips among other things ;-)
> What I'm looking for is 1989-1991 model 5-seater+trunk G20's w/about
> 300.000km on the clock, not much rust and a 6,2L diesel. Or if I could find
> a nice Suburban that'd do as well.
>
> They cost 6000-10000? here (9000-15000 USD), I hesitate to think how cheaply
> one could score one of these over there---
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dee
>
>
Yeahbut, can you get it back over? Serious question - between exchange
rates and what not, you might be able to win.
I once had a manager who was imported from Germany. He brought a
spanking new BMW 5xx class station wagon with him. Rumor has it you
could travel US to Germany, buy a BMW at the factory, bring it back to
the US and pay for your trip with the profit$. No clue if it was true.
My more recent understanding is that this loophole has been closed.
Anything is possible so long as Canadian customs are not involved...
--
Les Cargill
DeeAa wrote:
> Must be some kind of a disease. I want another Chevy van. Well they're good
> for band trips among other things ;-)
> What I'm looking for is 1989-1991 model 5-seater+trunk G20's w/about
> 300.000km on the clock, not much rust and a 6,2L diesel. Or if I could find
> a nice Suburban that'd do as well.
>
> They cost 6000-10000? here (9000-15000 USD), I hesitate to think how cheaply
> one could score one of these over there---
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dee
>
>
Yeahbut, can you get it back over? Serious question - between exchange
rates and what not, you might be able to win.
I once had a manager who was imported from Germany. He brought a
spanking new BMW 5xx class station wagon with him. Rumor has it you
could travel US to Germany, buy a BMW at the factory, bring it back to
the US and pay for your trip with the profit$. No clue if it was true.
My more recent understanding is that this loophole has been closed.
Anything is possible so long as Canadian customs are not involved...
--
Les Cargill
Re: OT:Want a van...
"Les Cargill" <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote in message
news:4828c2a8$0$7033$4c368faf@roadrunner,com ...
> Yeahbut, can you get it back over? Serious question - between exchange
> rates and what not, you might be able to win.
>
> I once had a manager who was imported from Germany. He brought a
> spanking new BMW 5xx class station wagon with him. Rumor has it you could
> travel US to Germany, buy a BMW at the factory, bring it back to
> the US and pay for your trip with the profit$. No clue if it was true. My
> more recent understanding is that this loophole has been closed.
>
> Anything is possible so long as Canadian customs are not involved...
>
I suppose it is possible, but the vehicles I'm loóking at are so cheap
(under 10000 euros) that it would be hit or miss whether it would be cheaper
in the end.
Unless I own and use the vehicle abroad for a year before hauling it here,
I'll have to pay taxes on it upon import. The tax is 110% or so on new
vehicles, but on an old one like these, it'd be much much less. But along
with the VAT it'd easily double the price anyway, which would alone bring it
close to local prices. Then the shipping costs, i.e. renting a container for
it...I think it'd be quite nearly the same.
But then I'd have to get it registered here, and with the current laws, my
only choice would be to register it as a heavy vehicle, and I'd need a
trucker card to be able to drive it.
See, here the car taxes are different according to the use of the vehicle.
A bus would be the most expensive, then a normal car, then a delivery van,
then a truck and then an RV cheapest. I dunno the the amounts, but where a
bus might be taxed like at 160% over factory price, a delivery van might be
just 45% or whatever. PLUS the taxation levels govern what are the yearly
taxes and insurance costs. For instance, normally the insurance follows
engine size...so with a 6,2L engine the insurance would be HUGE, but it¨'s
different when it's registered as a delivery van or something.
You could in theory register a van as either of these, but with limitations.
Back before '93 or so one could register a van as a delivery vehicle because
you could build a wall inside leaving a big enough cargo space and still
have back seats. I used to have one of these. The taxation was cheap, but
the rules said the back seats must have 90 degree sitting angle and no more
than 1" of stuffing :-) PLUS they were limited to max 80km/h (about 50miles)
speed, indicated with a 80 label in the back.
There were similar laws about pickups being cheap in taxation, so believe me
or not, people would import brand new TransAms etc. and literally cut off
the whole back window and fabricate a truck bed there by welding and
register them as trucks!
But alas, whenever they find these loopholes in taxation, they close them.
BUt the cars registered keep their status...so old ones are the only ones
that are suitable. Can't register new ones like the old ones were.
It's complicated, but due to these problems, yeah, it'd have to be exactly
that; 80 to 92 G20 registered as a conversion delivery van, nothing else
will work insurancewise and moneywise and be driveable without special
licences.
http :// www ,net tiauto,com /viewVehicle.php?id_car=1891102
This is what I've been looking at right now..,it 's in Finnish but if you
scroll down and click on the pictures you'll see the 90 degree seats in the
back plus the wall splitting the car in half, making it a cheap one to own
and insure :-)
Cheers,
Dee
"Les Cargill" <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote in message
news:4828c2a8$0$7033$4c368faf@roadrunner,com ...
> Yeahbut, can you get it back over? Serious question - between exchange
> rates and what not, you might be able to win.
>
> I once had a manager who was imported from Germany. He brought a
> spanking new BMW 5xx class station wagon with him. Rumor has it you could
> travel US to Germany, buy a BMW at the factory, bring it back to
> the US and pay for your trip with the profit$. No clue if it was true. My
> more recent understanding is that this loophole has been closed.
>
> Anything is possible so long as Canadian customs are not involved...
>
I suppose it is possible, but the vehicles I'm loóking at are so cheap
(under 10000 euros) that it would be hit or miss whether it would be cheaper
in the end.
Unless I own and use the vehicle abroad for a year before hauling it here,
I'll have to pay taxes on it upon import. The tax is 110% or so on new
vehicles, but on an old one like these, it'd be much much less. But along
with the VAT it'd easily double the price anyway, which would alone bring it
close to local prices. Then the shipping costs, i.e. renting a container for
it...I think it'd be quite nearly the same.
But then I'd have to get it registered here, and with the current laws, my
only choice would be to register it as a heavy vehicle, and I'd need a
trucker card to be able to drive it.
See, here the car taxes are different according to the use of the vehicle.
A bus would be the most expensive, then a normal car, then a delivery van,
then a truck and then an RV cheapest. I dunno the the amounts, but where a
bus might be taxed like at 160% over factory price, a delivery van might be
just 45% or whatever. PLUS the taxation levels govern what are the yearly
taxes and insurance costs. For instance, normally the insurance follows
engine size...so with a 6,2L engine the insurance would be HUGE, but it¨'s
different when it's registered as a delivery van or something.
You could in theory register a van as either of these, but with limitations.
Back before '93 or so one could register a van as a delivery vehicle because
you could build a wall inside leaving a big enough cargo space and still
have back seats. I used to have one of these. The taxation was cheap, but
the rules said the back seats must have 90 degree sitting angle and no more
than 1" of stuffing :-) PLUS they were limited to max 80km/h (about 50miles)
speed, indicated with a 80 label in the back.
There were similar laws about pickups being cheap in taxation, so believe me
or not, people would import brand new TransAms etc. and literally cut off
the whole back window and fabricate a truck bed there by welding and
register them as trucks!
But alas, whenever they find these loopholes in taxation, they close them.
BUt the cars registered keep their status...so old ones are the only ones
that are suitable. Can't register new ones like the old ones were.
It's complicated, but due to these problems, yeah, it'd have to be exactly
that; 80 to 92 G20 registered as a conversion delivery van, nothing else
will work insurancewise and moneywise and be driveable without special
licences.
http :// www ,net tiauto,com /viewVehicle.php?id_car=1891102
This is what I've been looking at right now..,it 's in Finnish but if you
scroll down and click on the pictures you'll see the 90 degree seats in the
back plus the wall splitting the car in half, making it a cheap one to own
and insure :-)
Cheers,
Dee
Re: OT:Want a van...
DeeAa wrote:
> "Les Cargill" <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote in message
> news:4828c2a8$0$7033$4c368faf@roadrunner,com ...
>
>> Yeahbut, can you get it back over? Serious question - between exchange
>> rates and what not, you might be able to win.
>>
>> I once had a manager who was imported from Germany. He brought a
>> spanking new BMW 5xx class station wagon with him. Rumor has it you could
>> travel US to Germany, buy a BMW at the factory, bring it back to
>> the US and pay for your trip with the profit$. No clue if it was true. My
>> more recent understanding is that this loophole has been closed.
>>
>> Anything is possible so long as Canadian customs are not involved...
>>
> I suppose it is possible, but the vehicles I'm loóking at are so cheap
> (under 10000 euros) that it would be hit or miss whether it would be cheaper
> in the end.
>
Figure 2000 euros for the truck, 8000 for all the VAT/etc? Wow.
> Unless I own and use the vehicle abroad for a year before hauling it here,
> I'll have to pay taxes on it upon import. The tax is 110% or so on new
> vehicles, but on an old one like these, it'd be much much less. But along
> with the VAT it'd easily double the price anyway, which would alone bring it
> close to local prices. Then the shipping costs, i.e. renting a container for
> it...I think it'd be quite nearly the same.
>
Sounds like it.
> But then I'd have to get it registered here, and with the current laws, my
> only choice would be to register it as a heavy vehicle, and I'd need a
> trucker card to be able to drive it.
>
Lordy.
> See, here the car taxes are different according to the use of the vehicle.
> A bus would be the most expensive, then a normal car, then a delivery van,
> then a truck and then an RV cheapest. I dunno the the amounts, but where a
> bus might be taxed like at 160% over factory price, a delivery van might be
> just 45% or whatever. PLUS the taxation levels govern what are the yearly
> taxes and insurance costs. For instance, normally the insurance follows
> engine size...so with a 6,2L engine the insurance would be HUGE, but it¨'s
> different when it's registered as a delivery van or something.
>
Here, a band can get what is called a "tax number" ( after
incorporating or registering a Doing Business As DBA name ) and
all that stuff is instantly elevated to commercial status. You don't
even pay sales tax on gear... you have to be careful about
what's yours and what is the corporation's but it's hardly a
burden.
> You could in theory register a van as either of these, but with limitations.
>
> Back before '93 or so one could register a van as a delivery vehicle because
> you could build a wall inside leaving a big enough cargo space and still
> have back seats. I used to have one of these. The taxation was cheap, but
> the rules said the back seats must have 90 degree sitting angle and no more
> than 1" of stuffing :-) PLUS they were limited to max 80km/h (about 50miles)
> speed, indicated with a 80 label in the back.
>
I remember from books by Stones and Kinks members about how cartage was
always a challenge around Europe.
> There were similar laws about pickups being cheap in taxation, so believe me
> or not, people would import brand new TransAms etc. and literally cut off
> the whole back window and fabricate a truck bed there by welding and
> register them as trucks!
>
No, I can believe it.
> But alas, whenever they find these loopholes in taxation, they close them.
> BUt the cars registered keep their status...so old ones are the only ones
> that are suitable. Can't register new ones like the old ones were.
>
> It's complicated, but due to these problems, yeah, it'd have to be exactly
> that; 80 to 92 G20 registered as a conversion delivery van, nothing else
> will work insurancewise and moneywise and be driveable without special
> licences.
>
> http :// www ,net tiauto,com /viewVehicle.php?id car91102
>
> This is what I've been looking at right now..,it 's in Finnish but if you
> scroll down and click on the pictures you'll see the 90 degree seats in the
> back plus the wall splitting the car in half, making it a cheap one to own
> and insure :-)
>
Oy. Very strange. I did work for a Norwegian company before, so I have
heard stories... big cars were one thing all the Viking cats wanted
when they got here :)
> Cheers,
>
> Dee
>
>
--
Les Cargill
DeeAa wrote:
> "Les Cargill" <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote in message
> news:4828c2a8$0$7033$4c368faf@roadrunner,com ...
>
>> Yeahbut, can you get it back over? Serious question - between exchange
>> rates and what not, you might be able to win.
>>
>> I once had a manager who was imported from Germany. He brought a
>> spanking new BMW 5xx class station wagon with him. Rumor has it you could
>> travel US to Germany, buy a BMW at the factory, bring it back to
>> the US and pay for your trip with the profit$. No clue if it was true. My
>> more recent understanding is that this loophole has been closed.
>>
>> Anything is possible so long as Canadian customs are not involved...
>>
> I suppose it is possible, but the vehicles I'm loóking at are so cheap
> (under 10000 euros) that it would be hit or miss whether it would be cheaper
> in the end.
>
Figure 2000 euros for the truck, 8000 for all the VAT/etc? Wow.
> Unless I own and use the vehicle abroad for a year before hauling it here,
> I'll have to pay taxes on it upon import. The tax is 110% or so on new
> vehicles, but on an old one like these, it'd be much much less. But along
> with the VAT it'd easily double the price anyway, which would alone bring it
> close to local prices. Then the shipping costs, i.e. renting a container for
> it...I think it'd be quite nearly the same.
>
Sounds like it.
> But then I'd have to get it registered here, and with the current laws, my
> only choice would be to register it as a heavy vehicle, and I'd need a
> trucker card to be able to drive it.
>
Lordy.
> See, here the car taxes are different according to the use of the vehicle.
> A bus would be the most expensive, then a normal car, then a delivery van,
> then a truck and then an RV cheapest. I dunno the the amounts, but where a
> bus might be taxed like at 160% over factory price, a delivery van might be
> just 45% or whatever. PLUS the taxation levels govern what are the yearly
> taxes and insurance costs. For instance, normally the insurance follows
> engine size...so with a 6,2L engine the insurance would be HUGE, but it¨'s
> different when it's registered as a delivery van or something.
>
Here, a band can get what is called a "tax number" ( after
incorporating or registering a Doing Business As DBA name ) and
all that stuff is instantly elevated to commercial status. You don't
even pay sales tax on gear... you have to be careful about
what's yours and what is the corporation's but it's hardly a
burden.
> You could in theory register a van as either of these, but with limitations.
>
> Back before '93 or so one could register a van as a delivery vehicle because
> you could build a wall inside leaving a big enough cargo space and still
> have back seats. I used to have one of these. The taxation was cheap, but
> the rules said the back seats must have 90 degree sitting angle and no more
> than 1" of stuffing :-) PLUS they were limited to max 80km/h (about 50miles)
> speed, indicated with a 80 label in the back.
>
I remember from books by Stones and Kinks members about how cartage was
always a challenge around Europe.
> There were similar laws about pickups being cheap in taxation, so believe me
> or not, people would import brand new TransAms etc. and literally cut off
> the whole back window and fabricate a truck bed there by welding and
> register them as trucks!
>
No, I can believe it.
> But alas, whenever they find these loopholes in taxation, they close them.
> BUt the cars registered keep their status...so old ones are the only ones
> that are suitable. Can't register new ones like the old ones were.
>
> It's complicated, but due to these problems, yeah, it'd have to be exactly
> that; 80 to 92 G20 registered as a conversion delivery van, nothing else
> will work insurancewise and moneywise and be driveable without special
> licences.
>
> http :// www ,net tiauto,com /viewVehicle.php?id car91102
>
> This is what I've been looking at right now..,it 's in Finnish but if you
> scroll down and click on the pictures you'll see the 90 degree seats in the
> back plus the wall splitting the car in half, making it a cheap one to own
> and insure :-)
>
Oy. Very strange. I did work for a Norwegian company before, so I have
heard stories... big cars were one thing all the Viking cats wanted
when they got here :)
> Cheers,
>
> Dee
>
>
--
Les Cargill
Re: OT:Want a van...
"DeeAa" <deeaaREMOVE_THIS@dnainternet,net > wrote in message
news:48283569$0$23854$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
> Must be some kind of a disease. I want another Chevy van. Well they're
> good for band trips among other things ;-)
> What I'm looking for is 1989-1991 model 5-seater+trunk G20's w/about
> 300.000km on the clock, not much rust and a 6,2L diesel. Or if I could
> find a nice Suburban that'd do as well.
>
> They cost 6000-10000? here (9000-15000 USD), I hesitate to think how
> cheaply one could score one of these over there---
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dee
>
I donno that sounds ridiculously expensive.Basic 1991 Diesel Suburban per
Kelly Blue Book about $3,000 USD here (Austin TX) in excellent condition.
You don't see anyone driving around in somethiing that old in my
neighborhood. Not even I drive something that old. :-)
"DeeAa" <deeaaREMOVE_THIS@dnainternet,net > wrote in message
news:48283569$0$23854$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
> Must be some kind of a disease. I want another Chevy van. Well they're
> good for band trips among other things ;-)
> What I'm looking for is 1989-1991 model 5-seater+trunk G20's w/about
> 300.000km on the clock, not much rust and a 6,2L diesel. Or if I could
> find a nice Suburban that'd do as well.
>
> They cost 6000-10000? here (9000-15000 USD), I hesitate to think how
> cheaply one could score one of these over there---
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dee
>
I donno that sounds ridiculously expensive.Basic 1991 Diesel Suburban per
Kelly Blue Book about $3,000 USD here (Austin TX) in excellent condition.
You don't see anyone driving around in somethiing that old in my
neighborhood. Not even I drive something that old. :-)
Re: OT:Want a van...
"ythread" <ythread@att,net > wrote in message
news:194Wj.194904$D_3.178334@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att,net ...
>
> I donno that sounds ridiculously expensive.Basic 1991 Diesel Suburban per
> Kelly Blue Book about $3,000 USD here (Austin TX) in excellent condition.
> You don't see anyone driving around in somethiing that old in my
> neighborhood. Not even I drive something that old. :-)
Why I just spotted a few late 70's burbs in the town here :-)
Guess what a new burb will cost here...actually I don't even know but for
comparison, I know there's a 2003 model for sale here for a bit under 60.000
dollars...I suppose a new one would be well over 100K if they were imported
around now.
Our whole family makes about maybe $80.000 gross a year altogether, so there
is NO way in hell we will ever be able to afford a car more expensive than
maybe $15-16.000 or so, and even that we'd need to pay for for like a
decade. Perhaps if we get better paying jobs sometime. If we both got best
possible jobs in our trade we might make up to 150K a year, and then maybe
we could spend 20-30K on a car even, or start considering having two cars.
But right now, we've had to consider if we could be without a car
completely, because it's such a huge percentage of living costs.
"ythread" <ythread@att,net > wrote in message
news:194Wj.194904$D_3.178334@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att,net ...
>
> I donno that sounds ridiculously expensive.Basic 1991 Diesel Suburban per
> Kelly Blue Book about $3,000 USD here (Austin TX) in excellent condition.
> You don't see anyone driving around in somethiing that old in my
> neighborhood. Not even I drive something that old. :-)
Why I just spotted a few late 70's burbs in the town here :-)
Guess what a new burb will cost here...actually I don't even know but for
comparison, I know there's a 2003 model for sale here for a bit under 60.000
dollars...I suppose a new one would be well over 100K if they were imported
around now.
Our whole family makes about maybe $80.000 gross a year altogether, so there
is NO way in hell we will ever be able to afford a car more expensive than
maybe $15-16.000 or so, and even that we'd need to pay for for like a
decade. Perhaps if we get better paying jobs sometime. If we both got best
possible jobs in our trade we might make up to 150K a year, and then maybe
we could spend 20-30K on a car even, or start considering having two cars.
But right now, we've had to consider if we could be without a car
completely, because it's such a huge percentage of living costs.
Re: OT:Want a van...
"DeeAa" <deeaaREMOVE_THIS@dnainternet,net > wrote in message
news:4829117d$0$23837$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
> "ythread" <ythread@att,net > wrote in message
> news:194Wj.194904$D_3.178334@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att,net ...
>>
>> I donno that sounds ridiculously expensive.Basic 1991 Diesel Suburban per
>> Kelly Blue Book about $3,000 USD here (Austin TX) in excellent condition.
>> You don't see anyone driving around in somethiing that old in my
>> neighborhood. Not even I drive something that old. :-)
> Why I just spotted a few late 70's burbs in the town here :-)
>
> Guess what a new burb will cost here...actually I don't even know but for
> comparison, I know there's a 2003 model for sale here for a bit under
> 60.000 dollars...I suppose a new one would be well over 100K if they were
> imported around now.
>
> Our whole family makes about maybe $80.000 gross a year altogether, so
> there is NO way in hell we will ever be able to afford a car more
> expensive than maybe $15-16.000 or so, and even that we'd need to pay for
> for like a decade. Perhaps if we get better paying jobs sometime. If we
> both got best possible jobs in our trade we might make up to 150K a year,
> and then maybe we could spend 20-30K on a car even, or start considering
> having two cars.
>
> But right now, we've had to consider if we could be without a car
> completely, because it's such a huge percentage of living costs.
>
I'm sorry. We have things too good here.
"DeeAa" <deeaaREMOVE_THIS@dnainternet,net > wrote in message
news:4829117d$0$23837$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
> "ythread" <ythread@att,net > wrote in message
> news:194Wj.194904$D_3.178334@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att,net ...
>>
>> I donno that sounds ridiculously expensive.Basic 1991 Diesel Suburban per
>> Kelly Blue Book about $3,000 USD here (Austin TX) in excellent condition.
>> You don't see anyone driving around in somethiing that old in my
>> neighborhood. Not even I drive something that old. :-)
> Why I just spotted a few late 70's burbs in the town here :-)
>
> Guess what a new burb will cost here...actually I don't even know but for
> comparison, I know there's a 2003 model for sale here for a bit under
> 60.000 dollars...I suppose a new one would be well over 100K if they were
> imported around now.
>
> Our whole family makes about maybe $80.000 gross a year altogether, so
> there is NO way in hell we will ever be able to afford a car more
> expensive than maybe $15-16.000 or so, and even that we'd need to pay for
> for like a decade. Perhaps if we get better paying jobs sometime. If we
> both got best possible jobs in our trade we might make up to 150K a year,
> and then maybe we could spend 20-30K on a car even, or start considering
> having two cars.
>
> But right now, we've had to consider if we could be without a car
> completely, because it's such a huge percentage of living costs.
>
I'm sorry. We have things too good here.
Re: OT:Want a van...
"ythread" <ythread@att,net > wrote in message
news:L_9Wj.327267$cQ1.320118@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att,net ...
>
>> But right now, we've had to consider if we could be without a car
>> completely, because it's such a huge percentage of living costs.
>>
> I'm sorry. We have things too good here.
Yep at least when it comes to cars, it's notoriously expensive here.
Especially now that they're pushing the environment thing...pretty soon
driving a car will be an offense I'm sure, as they calculate how much less
pollution there would be if everyone was just forced to use public
transport, LOL. Hence the price of regular gas is now almost six bux US per
gallon here, and rising. And they're trying to come up with new taxes based
on usage all the time, all kinds of registration fees, and like if you have
a 2nd car, it'll cost like 3500 dollars a year more (than the 1st) to insure
etc. etc.
Like it would matter any as long as big countries like the US and especially
China produce as much pollution as they do, hell, I dunno if there are even
a million cars here, it's a drop in the ocean. But 'the change has to start
somewhere'.
But on the upside there are over 200.000 old US car enthusiasts, so there's
a lot of vintage detroit steel on the roads nevermind the gas prices. It has
to be a V8, anything less is for pussies, LOL ;-)
Cheers,
Dee
"ythread" <ythread@att,net > wrote in message
news:L_9Wj.327267$cQ1.320118@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att,net ...
>
>> But right now, we've had to consider if we could be without a car
>> completely, because it's such a huge percentage of living costs.
>>
> I'm sorry. We have things too good here.
Yep at least when it comes to cars, it's notoriously expensive here.
Especially now that they're pushing the environment thing...pretty soon
driving a car will be an offense I'm sure, as they calculate how much less
pollution there would be if everyone was just forced to use public
transport, LOL. Hence the price of regular gas is now almost six bux US per
gallon here, and rising. And they're trying to come up with new taxes based
on usage all the time, all kinds of registration fees, and like if you have
a 2nd car, it'll cost like 3500 dollars a year more (than the 1st) to insure
etc. etc.
Like it would matter any as long as big countries like the US and especially
China produce as much pollution as they do, hell, I dunno if there are even
a million cars here, it's a drop in the ocean. But 'the change has to start
somewhere'.
But on the upside there are over 200.000 old US car enthusiasts, so there's
a lot of vintage detroit steel on the roads nevermind the gas prices. It has
to be a V8, anything less is for pussies, LOL ;-)
Cheers,
Dee
Re: OT:Want a van...
DeeAa wrote:
> "ythread" <ythread@att,net > wrote in message
> news:194Wj.194904$D 3.178334@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att,net ...
>> I donno that sounds ridiculously expensive.Basic 1991 Diesel Suburban per
>> Kelly Blue Book about $3,000 USD here (Austin TX) in excellent condition.
>> You don't see anyone driving around in somethiing that old in my
>> neighborhood. Not even I drive something that old. :-)
> Why I just spotted a few late 70's burbs in the town here :-)
>
> Guess what a new burb will cost here...actually I don't even know but for
> comparison, I know there's a 2003 model for sale here for a bit under 60.000
> dollars...I suppose a new one would be well over 100K if they were imported
> around now.
>
> Our whole family makes about maybe $80.000 gross a year altogether, so there
> is NO way in hell we will ever be able to afford a car more expensive than
> maybe $15-16.000 or so, and even that we'd need to pay for for like a
> decade. Perhaps if we get better paying jobs sometime. If we both got best
> possible jobs in our trade we might make up to 150K a year, and then maybe
> we could spend 20-30K on a car even, or start considering having two cars.
>
> But right now, we've had to consider if we could be without a car
> completely, because it's such a huge percentage of living costs.
>
>
Any issues with buying one from a rental agency?..either in Finland or
abroad? Another way to a deal, possibly...
--
- Rufus
DeeAa wrote:
> "ythread" <ythread@att,net > wrote in message
> news:194Wj.194904$D 3.178334@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att,net ...
>> I donno that sounds ridiculously expensive.Basic 1991 Diesel Suburban per
>> Kelly Blue Book about $3,000 USD here (Austin TX) in excellent condition.
>> You don't see anyone driving around in somethiing that old in my
>> neighborhood. Not even I drive something that old. :-)
> Why I just spotted a few late 70's burbs in the town here :-)
>
> Guess what a new burb will cost here...actually I don't even know but for
> comparison, I know there's a 2003 model for sale here for a bit under 60.000
> dollars...I suppose a new one would be well over 100K if they were imported
> around now.
>
> Our whole family makes about maybe $80.000 gross a year altogether, so there
> is NO way in hell we will ever be able to afford a car more expensive than
> maybe $15-16.000 or so, and even that we'd need to pay for for like a
> decade. Perhaps if we get better paying jobs sometime. If we both got best
> possible jobs in our trade we might make up to 150K a year, and then maybe
> we could spend 20-30K on a car even, or start considering having two cars.
>
> But right now, we've had to consider if we could be without a car
> completely, because it's such a huge percentage of living costs.
>
>
Any issues with buying one from a rental agency?..either in Finland or
abroad? Another way to a deal, possibly...
--
- Rufus
Re: OT:Want a van...
This thread reminds me of the song "My Chevy Van"....
Who did that anyway? Sammy Johns or Sammy Kershaw?
Peace,
Polfus
This thread reminds me of the song "My Chevy Van"....
Who did that anyway? Sammy Johns or Sammy Kershaw?
Peace,
Polfus
Re: OT:Want a van...
Polfus wrote:
> This thread reminds me of the song "My Chevy Van"....
>
> Who did that anyway? Sammy Johns or Sammy Kershaw?
>
> Peace,
> Polfus
Sammy Johns.
--
Les Cargill
Polfus wrote:
> This thread reminds me of the song "My Chevy Van"....
>
> Who did that anyway? Sammy Johns or Sammy Kershaw?
>
> Peace,
> Polfus
Sammy Johns.
--
Les Cargill
Re: OT:Want a van...
"Rufus" <not@home,com > wrote in message
news:lMqWj.108679$TT4.39148@attbi_s22...
> Any issues with buying one from a rental agency?..either in Finland or
> abroad? Another way to a deal, possibly...
>
No idea...but I doubt rental companies have such old cars for sale anyway.
I'm currently most interested in this '84 model one, five seats, big
trunk...old and driven like half a million, but it has ha a completely new
engine a few years back and a new transmission last year, plus painted anew
and lotsa new parts, seems to be a good deal.
"Rufus" <not@home,com > wrote in message
news:lMqWj.108679$TT4.39148@attbi_s22...
> Any issues with buying one from a rental agency?..either in Finland or
> abroad? Another way to a deal, possibly...
>
No idea...but I doubt rental companies have such old cars for sale anyway.
I'm currently most interested in this '84 model one, five seats, big
trunk...old and driven like half a million, but it has ha a completely new
engine a few years back and a new transmission last year, plus painted anew
and lotsa new parts, seems to be a good deal.
Re: OT:Want a van...
DeeAa wrote:
> "Rufus" <not@home,com > wrote in message
> news:lMqWj.108679$TT4.39148@attbi s22...
>
>> Any issues with buying one from a rental agency?..either in Finland or
>> abroad? Another way to a deal, possibly...
>>
> No idea...but I doubt rental companies have such old cars for sale anyway.
>
> I'm currently most interested in this '84 model one, five seats, big
> trunk...old and driven like half a million, but it has ha a completely new
> engine a few years back and a new transmission last year, plus painted anew
> and lotsa new parts, seems to be a good deal.
>
>
I was thinking that if you found the right deal you might be able to
find a newer one...but it looks like you found what you need.
I'm trying to talk myself into a new truck...but I'm not making much
progress. The price of diesel fuel over here is more than premium
gasoline, so the diesel option is out for me, and I haven't had a
vehicle payment since '96 and I'm not very keen on having one now. I
guess my '92 Jimmy will have to soldier on.
--
- Rufus
DeeAa wrote:
> "Rufus" <not@home,com > wrote in message
> news:lMqWj.108679$TT4.39148@attbi s22...
>
>> Any issues with buying one from a rental agency?..either in Finland or
>> abroad? Another way to a deal, possibly...
>>
> No idea...but I doubt rental companies have such old cars for sale anyway.
>
> I'm currently most interested in this '84 model one, five seats, big
> trunk...old and driven like half a million, but it has ha a completely new
> engine a few years back and a new transmission last year, plus painted anew
> and lotsa new parts, seems to be a good deal.
>
>
I was thinking that if you found the right deal you might be able to
find a newer one...but it looks like you found what you need.
I'm trying to talk myself into a new truck...but I'm not making much
progress. The price of diesel fuel over here is more than premium
gasoline, so the diesel option is out for me, and I haven't had a
vehicle payment since '96 and I'm not very keen on having one now. I
guess my '92 Jimmy will have to soldier on.
--
- Rufus
Re: OT:Want a van...
On 14 touko, 07:07, Rufus <n...@home,com > wrote:
> DeeAa wrote:
> > "Rufus" <n...@home,com > wrote in message
> >news:lMqWj.108679$TT4.39148@attbi s22...
>
> >> Any issues with buying one from a rental agency?..either in Finland or
> >> abroad? Another way to a deal, possibly...
>
> > No idea...but I doubt rental companies have such old cars for sale anyway.
>
> > I'm currently most interested in this '84 model one, five seats, big
> > trunk...old and driven like half a million, but it has ha a completely new
> > engine a few years back and a new transmission last year, plus painted anew
> > and lotsa new parts, seems to be a good deal.
>
> I was thinking that if you found the right deal you might be able to
> find a newer one...but it looks like you found what you need.
>
> I'm trying to talk myself into a new truck...but I'm not making much
> progress. The price of diesel fuel over here is more than premium
> gasoline, so the diesel option is out for me, and I haven't had a
> vehicle payment since '96 and I'm not very keen on having one now. I
> guess my '92 Jimmy will have to soldier on.
>
Hehe, yep around springtime the want for new wheels always comes up...
I actually scrapped the idea of that '84...there weren't satisfactory
documents available on the new tranny etc. So, no thanks.
Now trying to bombard sellers of similar vehicles with trade
offers...I've found about a dozen like that 84 but 90-91 and
acceptable mileage (under 300.oookm)...really nice ones, but around 7k
in euros...so some dough in between would be needed...we'll see...I
can't afford to get a new loan on top of the old ones for the summer
house and whatnot.
Cheers,
Dee
On 14 touko, 07:07, Rufus <n...@home,com > wrote:
> DeeAa wrote:
> > "Rufus" <n...@home,com > wrote in message
> >news:lMqWj.108679$TT4.39148@attbi s22...
>
> >> Any issues with buying one from a rental agency?..either in Finland or
> >> abroad? Another way to a deal, possibly...
>
> > No idea...but I doubt rental companies have such old cars for sale anyway.
>
> > I'm currently most interested in this '84 model one, five seats, big
> > trunk...old and driven like half a million, but it has ha a completely new
> > engine a few years back and a new transmission last year, plus painted anew
> > and lotsa new parts, seems to be a good deal.
>
> I was thinking that if you found the right deal you might be able to
> find a newer one...but it looks like you found what you need.
>
> I'm trying to talk myself into a new truck...but I'm not making much
> progress. The price of diesel fuel over here is more than premium
> gasoline, so the diesel option is out for me, and I haven't had a
> vehicle payment since '96 and I'm not very keen on having one now. I
> guess my '92 Jimmy will have to soldier on.
>
Hehe, yep around springtime the want for new wheels always comes up...
I actually scrapped the idea of that '84...there weren't satisfactory
documents available on the new tranny etc. So, no thanks.
Now trying to bombard sellers of similar vehicles with trade
offers...I've found about a dozen like that 84 but 90-91 and
acceptable mileage (under 300.oookm)...really nice ones, but around 7k
in euros...so some dough in between would be needed...we'll see...I
can't afford to get a new loan on top of the old ones for the summer
house and whatnot.
Cheers,
Dee
Re: OT:Want a van...
DeeAa wrote:
> On 14 touko, 07:07, Rufus <n...@home,com > wrote:
>> DeeAa wrote:
>>> "Rufus" <n...@home,com > wrote in message
>>> news:lMqWj.108679$TT4.39148@attbi s22...
>>>> Any issues with buying one from a rental agency?..either in Finland or
>>>> abroad? Another way to a deal, possibly...
>>> No idea...but I doubt rental companies have such old cars for sale anyway.
>>> I'm currently most interested in this '84 model one, five seats, big
>>> trunk...old and driven like half a million, but it has ha a completely new
>>> engine a few years back and a new transmission last year, plus painted anew
>>> and lotsa new parts, seems to be a good deal.
>> I was thinking that if you found the right deal you might be able to
>> find a newer one...but it looks like you found what you need.
>>
>> I'm trying to talk myself into a new truck...but I'm not making much
>> progress. The price of diesel fuel over here is more than premium
>> gasoline, so the diesel option is out for me, and I haven't had a
>> vehicle payment since '96 and I'm not very keen on having one now. I
>> guess my '92 Jimmy will have to soldier on.
>>
> Hehe, yep around springtime the want for new wheels always comes up...
> I actually scrapped the idea of that '84...there weren't satisfactory
> documents available on the new tranny etc. So, no thanks.
>
> Now trying to bombard sellers of similar vehicles with trade
> offers...I've found about a dozen like that 84 but 90-91 and
> acceptable mileage (under 300.oookm)...really nice ones, but around 7k
> in euros...so some dough in between would be needed...we'll see...I
> can't afford to get a new loan on top of the old ones for the summer
> house and whatnot.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dee
I've already got too many wheels...I need to unload one of my two four
wheelers, I'll keep my Harley's. What I should do is trade the old car
and old truck for one new truck. But both are paid for...
--
- Rufus
DeeAa wrote:
> On 14 touko, 07:07, Rufus <n...@home,com > wrote:
>> DeeAa wrote:
>>> "Rufus" <n...@home,com > wrote in message
>>> news:lMqWj.108679$TT4.39148@attbi s22...
>>>> Any issues with buying one from a rental agency?..either in Finland or
>>>> abroad? Another way to a deal, possibly...
>>> No idea...but I doubt rental companies have such old cars for sale anyway.
>>> I'm currently most interested in this '84 model one, five seats, big
>>> trunk...old and driven like half a million, but it has ha a completely new
>>> engine a few years back and a new transmission last year, plus painted anew
>>> and lotsa new parts, seems to be a good deal.
>> I was thinking that if you found the right deal you might be able to
>> find a newer one...but it looks like you found what you need.
>>
>> I'm trying to talk myself into a new truck...but I'm not making much
>> progress. The price of diesel fuel over here is more than premium
>> gasoline, so the diesel option is out for me, and I haven't had a
>> vehicle payment since '96 and I'm not very keen on having one now. I
>> guess my '92 Jimmy will have to soldier on.
>>
> Hehe, yep around springtime the want for new wheels always comes up...
> I actually scrapped the idea of that '84...there weren't satisfactory
> documents available on the new tranny etc. So, no thanks.
>
> Now trying to bombard sellers of similar vehicles with trade
> offers...I've found about a dozen like that 84 but 90-91 and
> acceptable mileage (under 300.oookm)...really nice ones, but around 7k
> in euros...so some dough in between would be needed...we'll see...I
> can't afford to get a new loan on top of the old ones for the summer
> house and whatnot.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dee
I've already got too many wheels...I need to unload one of my two four
wheelers, I'll keep my Harley's. What I should do is trade the old car
and old truck for one new truck. But both are paid for...
--
- Rufus
Re: OT:Want a van...
"Rufus" <not@home,com > wrote in message
news:mCLWj.164190$yE1.68514@attbi_s21...
> I've already got too many wheels...I need to unload one of my two four
> wheelers, I'll keep my Harley's. What I should do is trade the old car
> and old truck for one new truck. But both are paid for...
>
Just found a suitable vehicle, we're talkin' trade...750;' plus my old car.
Turns out the work has paid me too much by accident the past few months (I
thought I had had a raise :-( ) and now they're cutting my paycheck this
month by a whopping thousand (after taxes) so that almost kills the car
dealing for me now. But since I started it, I'll see what happens. Will try
to not eat and drink for a month or two if it comes to that.
Why the hell is it always so that when the holiday approaches (the whole
July for me) there's also always money problems that keep you from enjoying
the holiday and end up just loitering in the yard for the whole 'vacation' I
don't know but it sucks big time.
Cheers,
Dee
"Rufus" <not@home,com > wrote in message
news:mCLWj.164190$yE1.68514@attbi_s21...
> I've already got too many wheels...I need to unload one of my two four
> wheelers, I'll keep my Harley's. What I should do is trade the old car
> and old truck for one new truck. But both are paid for...
>
Just found a suitable vehicle, we're talkin' trade...750;' plus my old car.
Turns out the work has paid me too much by accident the past few months (I
thought I had had a raise :-( ) and now they're cutting my paycheck this
month by a whopping thousand (after taxes) so that almost kills the car
dealing for me now. But since I started it, I'll see what happens. Will try
to not eat and drink for a month or two if it comes to that.
Why the hell is it always so that when the holiday approaches (the whole
July for me) there's also always money problems that keep you from enjoying
the holiday and end up just loitering in the yard for the whole 'vacation' I
don't know but it sucks big time.
Cheers,
Dee
