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On Topic : PA size : for a Club band ?
On Topic : PA size : for a Club band ?
What type of PA wattage would a
trio or 4 piece band need to
for gigs: 2 singers. Mike the guitars,
bass drum. Highhat.
Music is .. Standard blues/Classic rock era.
We need monitors, and front speakers.
I'd like to stick to small combo amps: 30w or so..
even they can be too loud ! I'd rather have
volume project out front ;-0 .
What type of PA wattage would a
trio or 4 piece band need to
for gigs: 2 singers. Mike the guitars,
bass drum. Highhat.
Music is .. Standard blues/Classic rock era.
We need monitors, and front speakers.
I'd like to stick to small combo amps: 30w or so..
even they can be too loud ! I'd rather have
volume project out front ;-0 .
Re: On Topic : PA size : for a Club band ?
Restless Fingers Syndrome wrote:
> What type of PA wattage would a
> trio or 4 piece band need to
> for gigs: 2 singers. Mike the guitars,
> bass drum. Highhat.
>
> Music is .. Standard blues/Classic rock era.
>
> We need monitors, and front speakers.
> I'd like to stick to small combo amps: 30w or so..
> even they can be too loud ! I'd rather have
> volume project out front ;-0 .
>
>
Minimum CS800 or equivalent power amp for mains, CS400 or XLS402
(minimum) for monitors. This will give you adequate headroom. Never
skimp on the amps output. You can always turn them sown, but when
you're wide open, distorting and can't be heard, you're screwed.
ty
Restless Fingers Syndrome wrote:
> What type of PA wattage would a
> trio or 4 piece band need to
> for gigs: 2 singers. Mike the guitars,
> bass drum. Highhat.
>
> Music is .. Standard blues/Classic rock era.
>
> We need monitors, and front speakers.
> I'd like to stick to small combo amps: 30w or so..
> even they can be too loud ! I'd rather have
> volume project out front ;-0 .
>
>
Minimum CS800 or equivalent power amp for mains, CS400 or XLS402
(minimum) for monitors. This will give you adequate headroom. Never
skimp on the amps output. You can always turn them sown, but when
you're wide open, distorting and can't be heard, you're screwed.
ty
Re: On Topic : PA size : for a Club band ?
ty wrote:
> Minimum CS800 or equivalent power amp for mains, CS400 or XLS402
> (minimum) for monitors. This will give you adequate headroom. Never
> skimp on the amps output. You can always turn them sown, but when
> you're wide open, distorting and can't be heard, you're screwed.
>
> ty
But also keep in mind that no band ever had a club owner demand they turn it
up. Avoiding a volume war between the backline and the PA is a good place
to start.
ty wrote:
> Minimum CS800 or equivalent power amp for mains, CS400 or XLS402
> (minimum) for monitors. This will give you adequate headroom. Never
> skimp on the amps output. You can always turn them sown, but when
> you're wide open, distorting and can't be heard, you're screwed.
>
> ty
But also keep in mind that no band ever had a club owner demand they turn it
up. Avoiding a volume war between the backline and the PA is a good place
to start.
Re: On Topic : PA size : for a Club band ?
On Apr 29, 9:45 pm, Restless Fingers Syndrome <r...@itch,com > wrote:
> What type of PA wattage would a
> trio or 4 piece band need to
> for gigs: 2 singers. Mike the guitars,
> bass drum. Highhat.
>
> Music is .. Standard blues/Classic rock era.
>
> We need monitors, and front speakers.
> I'd like to stick to small combo amps: 30w or so..
> even they can be too loud ! I'd rather have
> volume project out front ;-0 .
With a minimum of 6 mics going I'd plan on 1000 watts. You can
certainly get by with less, but that will give you some room. For some
gigs that should be enough for monitors as well, for others you might
want to amp them separately. I've gone to powered monitors all around
which has made life considerably simpler for me. When I get around to
it (and have the money) I'll probably switch to an in ear system. Our
four piece typically gigs with 300 watts for three singers. I also mic
my amp for the drummer and when needed area mic the drums. Most of our
gigs are in relatively small clubs, or, when we play bigger ones, they
already have a system. Works well for us.
Chuck
On Apr 29, 9:45 pm, Restless Fingers Syndrome <r...@itch,com > wrote:
> What type of PA wattage would a
> trio or 4 piece band need to
> for gigs: 2 singers. Mike the guitars,
> bass drum. Highhat.
>
> Music is .. Standard blues/Classic rock era.
>
> We need monitors, and front speakers.
> I'd like to stick to small combo amps: 30w or so..
> even they can be too loud ! I'd rather have
> volume project out front ;-0 .
With a minimum of 6 mics going I'd plan on 1000 watts. You can
certainly get by with less, but that will give you some room. For some
gigs that should be enough for monitors as well, for others you might
want to amp them separately. I've gone to powered monitors all around
which has made life considerably simpler for me. When I get around to
it (and have the money) I'll probably switch to an in ear system. Our
four piece typically gigs with 300 watts for three singers. I also mic
my amp for the drummer and when needed area mic the drums. Most of our
gigs are in relatively small clubs, or, when we play bigger ones, they
already have a system. Works well for us.
Chuck
Re: On Topic : PA size : for a Club band ?
On Apr 30, 12:09 am, cclawso...@gmail,com wrote:
> On Apr 29, 9:45 pm, Restless Fingers Syndrome <r...@itch,com > wrote:
>
> > What type of PA wattage would a
> > trio or 4 piece band need to
> > for gigs: 2 singers. Mike the guitars,
> > bass drum. Highhat.
>
> > Music is .. Standard blues/Classic rock era.
>
> > We need monitors, and front speakers.
> > I'd like to stick to small combo amps: 30w or so..
> > even they can be too loud ! I'd rather have
> > volume project out front ;-0 .
>
> With a minimum of 6 mics going I'd plan on 1000 watts. You can
> certainly get by with less, but that will give you some room. For some
> gigs that should be enough for monitors as well, for others you might
> want to amp them separately. I've gone to powered monitors all around
> which has made life considerably simpler for me. When I get around to
> it (and have the money) I'll probably switch to an in ear system. Our
> four piece typically gigs with 300 watts for three singers. I also mic
> my amp for the drummer and when needed area mic the drums. Most of our
> gigs are in relatively small clubs, or, when we play bigger ones, they
> already have a system. Works well for us.
> Chuck
I second this. 1000 watts minimum. I have played with PAs as small as
400 watts, but like another poster said, if you have it cranked, it's
gonna distort and sound like doodoo. Don't skimp on the monitors,
either. Buy something that's too big rather than too small. You never
know- you may end up playing a place where the extra wattage come in
handy. Buy big for headroom. You want clean power.
Mike
On Apr 30, 12:09 am, cclawso...@gmail,com wrote:
> On Apr 29, 9:45 pm, Restless Fingers Syndrome <r...@itch,com > wrote:
>
> > What type of PA wattage would a
> > trio or 4 piece band need to
> > for gigs: 2 singers. Mike the guitars,
> > bass drum. Highhat.
>
> > Music is .. Standard blues/Classic rock era.
>
> > We need monitors, and front speakers.
> > I'd like to stick to small combo amps: 30w or so..
> > even they can be too loud ! I'd rather have
> > volume project out front ;-0 .
>
> With a minimum of 6 mics going I'd plan on 1000 watts. You can
> certainly get by with less, but that will give you some room. For some
> gigs that should be enough for monitors as well, for others you might
> want to amp them separately. I've gone to powered monitors all around
> which has made life considerably simpler for me. When I get around to
> it (and have the money) I'll probably switch to an in ear system. Our
> four piece typically gigs with 300 watts for three singers. I also mic
> my amp for the drummer and when needed area mic the drums. Most of our
> gigs are in relatively small clubs, or, when we play bigger ones, they
> already have a system. Works well for us.
> Chuck
I second this. 1000 watts minimum. I have played with PAs as small as
400 watts, but like another poster said, if you have it cranked, it's
gonna distort and sound like doodoo. Don't skimp on the monitors,
either. Buy something that's too big rather than too small. You never
know- you may end up playing a place where the extra wattage come in
handy. Buy big for headroom. You want clean power.
Mike
Re: On Topic : PA size : for a Club band ?
I agree with Brian aka Dan. However, the wild card is the venue/
audience size.
The rig Brian described is the minimum I would go with for the typical
club setting, but you are leaving out subs, which add another power
amp, plus the subs themselves.
If you are playing more modern, dropped stuff, subs get to be more
important than say playing covers or classic rock.
Basically he described the rig I used for a number of years, with the
exception of I had a 16 channel board.
I also agree with having 800w for monitors so you can mic the amps and
then just turn them up loud enough to be heard over the drums.
The lower the stage volume, the better control you can have with the
room.
I agree with Brian aka Dan. However, the wild card is the venue/
audience size.
The rig Brian described is the minimum I would go with for the typical
club setting, but you are leaving out subs, which add another power
amp, plus the subs themselves.
If you are playing more modern, dropped stuff, subs get to be more
important than say playing covers or classic rock.
Basically he described the rig I used for a number of years, with the
exception of I had a 16 channel board.
I also agree with having 800w for monitors so you can mic the amps and
then just turn them up loud enough to be heard over the drums.
The lower the stage volume, the better control you can have with the
room.
Re: On Topic : PA size : for a Club band ?
"Restless Fingers Syndrome" <rfs@itch,com > wrote in message news:4817eb63$0$4063$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink,net ...
> What type of PA wattage would a
> trio or 4 piece band need to
> for gigs: 2 singers. Mike the guitars,
> bass drum. Highhat.
>
> Music is .. Standard blues/Classic rock era.
>
> We need monitors, and front speakers.
> I'd like to stick to small combo amps: 30w or so..
> even they can be too loud ! I'd rather have
> volume project out front ;-0 .
Some depends on how efficient you speakers will be
and also if you intend to mike the bass.
I'd go with 100-200 W per channel if you don't
mike the bass.
And probably 400 - 1000 w per channel if you do.
You might could get away with less, but this would
give you some room to grow.
Better too much than not enough IMO
BTW, this *would* be an *on topic* post if this were
alt.pa.amps !!!!!
but since it's not,,, er,,, beat it troll :-)
"Restless Fingers Syndrome" <rfs@itch,com > wrote in message news:4817eb63$0$4063$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink,net ...
> What type of PA wattage would a
> trio or 4 piece band need to
> for gigs: 2 singers. Mike the guitars,
> bass drum. Highhat.
>
> Music is .. Standard blues/Classic rock era.
>
> We need monitors, and front speakers.
> I'd like to stick to small combo amps: 30w or so..
> even they can be too loud ! I'd rather have
> volume project out front ;-0 .
Some depends on how efficient you speakers will be
and also if you intend to mike the bass.
I'd go with 100-200 W per channel if you don't
mike the bass.
And probably 400 - 1000 w per channel if you do.
You might could get away with less, but this would
give you some room to grow.
Better too much than not enough IMO
BTW, this *would* be an *on topic* post if this were
alt.pa.amps !!!!!
but since it's not,,, er,,, beat it troll :-)
Re: On Topic : PA size : for a Club band ?
Dave Moore wrote:
>
> BTW, this *would* be an *on topic* post if this were
>
> alt.pa.amps !!!!!
>
> but since it's not,,, er,,, beat it troll :-)
>
alt.pa.amps was taken over by alt.drummers
Dave Moore wrote:
>
> BTW, this *would* be an *on topic* post if this were
>
> alt.pa.amps !!!!!
>
> but since it's not,,, er,,, beat it troll :-)
>
alt.pa.amps was taken over by alt.drummers
Re: On Topic : PA size : for a Club band ?
On Apr 29, 10:45 pm, Restless Fingers Syndrome <r...@itch,com > wrote:
> What type of PA wattage would a
> trio or 4 piece band need to
> for gigs: 2 singers. Mike the guitars,
> bass drum. Highhat.
>
> Music is .. Standard blues/Classic rock era.
>
> We need monitors, and front speakers.
> I'd like to stick to small combo amps: 30w or so..
> even they can be too loud ! I'd rather have
> volume project out front ;-0 .
I've played Blues/Classic rock in small to mid sized clubs throughout
the midwest for the better part of 23 years and have basically used
the same type of setup.
Here's what I've used for most 4 piece bands I've been in.
12 channel board
3 channels for vocal mics
2 channels for guitar mics
1 channel for Bass - via direct box
1 channel for Bass Drum
1 channel for Snare (Hi-Hats get picked up by snare mic)
1 channel for Mic on toms mounted to bass drum
1 channel for Mic on floor tom (Cymbals will usually get picked up
as bleed from drum mics)
1 Channel for effects
1 Channel for CD player during breaks if the place doesn't have a
jukebox
Power Amps
1200Watts For Mains - Bridged
800Watts for Monitors
Mains
A pair of Yamaha Speaker Cabs with 15's and a horn run full range
Monitors
3 slant monitor cabs with 12" speakers and a horn (two up front and
one back by drummer)
With this setup, the bands I've been in have played everything from
tiny little bars that fit no more than 100 people tops to outdoor
biker rally parties infront of around 1,000 people plus thousands of
gigs of different sizes in between. You can check out this video from
a while back with this exact setup in a tiny bar that held around 50
people. http :// myspacetv,com /index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=44000
(Never mind the fact that I screwd up the lyrics. I was half drunk and
we never played the song together in this band before. It was a
request from the owner of the bar)
- Bri (aka Dan)
On Apr 29, 10:45 pm, Restless Fingers Syndrome <r...@itch,com > wrote:
> What type of PA wattage would a
> trio or 4 piece band need to
> for gigs: 2 singers. Mike the guitars,
> bass drum. Highhat.
>
> Music is .. Standard blues/Classic rock era.
>
> We need monitors, and front speakers.
> I'd like to stick to small combo amps: 30w or so..
> even they can be too loud ! I'd rather have
> volume project out front ;-0 .
I've played Blues/Classic rock in small to mid sized clubs throughout
the midwest for the better part of 23 years and have basically used
the same type of setup.
Here's what I've used for most 4 piece bands I've been in.
12 channel board
3 channels for vocal mics
2 channels for guitar mics
1 channel for Bass - via direct box
1 channel for Bass Drum
1 channel for Snare (Hi-Hats get picked up by snare mic)
1 channel for Mic on toms mounted to bass drum
1 channel for Mic on floor tom (Cymbals will usually get picked up
as bleed from drum mics)
1 Channel for effects
1 Channel for CD player during breaks if the place doesn't have a
jukebox
Power Amps
1200Watts For Mains - Bridged
800Watts for Monitors
Mains
A pair of Yamaha Speaker Cabs with 15's and a horn run full range
Monitors
3 slant monitor cabs with 12" speakers and a horn (two up front and
one back by drummer)
With this setup, the bands I've been in have played everything from
tiny little bars that fit no more than 100 people tops to outdoor
biker rally parties infront of around 1,000 people plus thousands of
gigs of different sizes in between. You can check out this video from
a while back with this exact setup in a tiny bar that held around 50
people. http :// myspacetv,com /index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=44000
(Never mind the fact that I screwd up the lyrics. I was half drunk and
we never played the song together in this band before. It was a
request from the owner of the bar)
- Bri (aka Dan)
Re: On Topic : PA size : for a Club band ?
BrianRodgers wrote:
> Never mind
>
God .. I hate that song ... and any LS tune to boot.
But dude ... I can't see any PA in the video !
BrianRodgers wrote:
> Never mind
>
God .. I hate that song ... and any LS tune to boot.
But dude ... I can't see any PA in the video !
Re: On Topic : PA size : for a Club band ?
On 30 huhti, 06:45, Restless Fingers Syndrome <r...@itch,com > wrote:
> What type of PA wattage would a
> trio or 4 piece band need to
> for gigs: 2 singers. Mike the guitars,
> bass drum. Highhat.
>
> Music is .. Standard blues/Classic rock era.
>
> We need monitors, and front speakers.
> I'd like to stick to small combo amps: 30w or so..
> even they can be too loud ! I'd rather have
> volume project out front ;-0 .
Depends entirely on how loud the drummer is and how good/big the bass
rig.
We gigged a lot of gigs (+100) with a 1000W PA, 200W monitors, when
the bassist had a really strong 400W rig and didn't need to run it
thru PA. Drummer hit the snare @118dB even unmiked. Just two 750W
cabinets and a 1K amp for PA.
We always miked kick, vox, guitars, one overhead for drums (basically
just to pick up FX). I'd say the 1000W fullrange was enough for small
clubs, but you certainly don't get any proper punch from such a low
wattage system, it is a bit midrangey and sounds loud but not very hi-
fi at all due to lack of low end power. Kinda sucks.
Now I've heard some ready-built sub/highs with crossovers that have
been in that range (like 1000W for subs, 200W for tops) that have
sounded really good, even in quite large venues if huge sound
pressures aren't called for at all.
Ideally, for a working band, I'd go for somethig like 2x1000W for
subs, after which something like 2x300W will do fine for higher end.
But you need the wattage if you want real low end thump/warmth at all,
even if you play at lower volumes.
The monitor system should equal the wattage of the upper range
speakers, or you really have to drive just mids thru 'em to make them
useable.
Minimum set I'd like to go out to gig with my band now would be 16ch 2
bus 4 aux mixer, crossover, ~1K subs, ~300W tops, ~300W monitors,
preferably all actives, 4 channels of compressor/limiter (bass, kick,
voxes), a nice quality FX unit with a nice delay/verb patch; 58's for
vox, 57's for axes, a passable overhead (C1000 min) and a kickdrum
mic, lines&stands.
Plenty of choice in that range, in very compact and moveable packages
as well!
Cheers,
Dee
On 30 huhti, 06:45, Restless Fingers Syndrome <r...@itch,com > wrote:
> What type of PA wattage would a
> trio or 4 piece band need to
> for gigs: 2 singers. Mike the guitars,
> bass drum. Highhat.
>
> Music is .. Standard blues/Classic rock era.
>
> We need monitors, and front speakers.
> I'd like to stick to small combo amps: 30w or so..
> even they can be too loud ! I'd rather have
> volume project out front ;-0 .
Depends entirely on how loud the drummer is and how good/big the bass
rig.
We gigged a lot of gigs (+100) with a 1000W PA, 200W monitors, when
the bassist had a really strong 400W rig and didn't need to run it
thru PA. Drummer hit the snare @118dB even unmiked. Just two 750W
cabinets and a 1K amp for PA.
We always miked kick, vox, guitars, one overhead for drums (basically
just to pick up FX). I'd say the 1000W fullrange was enough for small
clubs, but you certainly don't get any proper punch from such a low
wattage system, it is a bit midrangey and sounds loud but not very hi-
fi at all due to lack of low end power. Kinda sucks.
Now I've heard some ready-built sub/highs with crossovers that have
been in that range (like 1000W for subs, 200W for tops) that have
sounded really good, even in quite large venues if huge sound
pressures aren't called for at all.
Ideally, for a working band, I'd go for somethig like 2x1000W for
subs, after which something like 2x300W will do fine for higher end.
But you need the wattage if you want real low end thump/warmth at all,
even if you play at lower volumes.
The monitor system should equal the wattage of the upper range
speakers, or you really have to drive just mids thru 'em to make them
useable.
Minimum set I'd like to go out to gig with my band now would be 16ch 2
bus 4 aux mixer, crossover, ~1K subs, ~300W tops, ~300W monitors,
preferably all actives, 4 channels of compressor/limiter (bass, kick,
voxes), a nice quality FX unit with a nice delay/verb patch; 58's for
vox, 57's for axes, a passable overhead (C1000 min) and a kickdrum
mic, lines&stands.
Plenty of choice in that range, in very compact and moveable packages
as well!
Cheers,
Dee
Re: On Topic : PA size : for a Club band ?
On Apr 30, 1:24 am, DeeAa <de...@dnainternet,net > wrote:
> On 30 huhti, 06:45, Restless Fingers Syndrome <r...@itch,com > wrote:
>
> > What type of PA wattage would a
> > trio or 4 piece band need to
> > for gigs: 2 singers. Mike the guitars,
> > bass drum. Highhat.
>
> > Music is .. Standard blues/Classic rock era.
>
> > We need monitors, and front speakers.
> > I'd like to stick to small combo amps: 30w or so..
> > even they can be too loud ! I'd rather have
> > volume project out front ;-0 .
>
> Depends entirely on how loud the drummer is and how good/big the bass
> rig.
>
> We gigged a lot of gigs (+100) with a 1000W PA, 200W monitors, when
> the bassist had a really strong 400W rig and didn't need to run it
> thru PA. Drummer hit the snare @118dB even unmiked. Just two 750W
> cabinets and a 1K amp for PA.
>
> We always miked kick, vox, guitars, one overhead for drums (basically
> just to pick up FX). I'd say the 1000W fullrange was enough for small
> clubs, but you certainly don't get any proper punch from such a low
> wattage system, it is a bit midrangey and sounds loud but not very hi-
> fi at all due to lack of low end power. Kinda sucks.
>
> Now I've heard some ready-built sub/highs with crossovers that have
> been in that range (like 1000W for subs, 200W for tops) that have
> sounded really good, even in quite large venues if huge sound
> pressures aren't called for at all.
>
> Ideally, for a working band, I'd go for somethig like 2x1000W for
> subs, after which something like 2x300W will do fine for higher end.
> But you need the wattage if you want real low end thump/warmth at all,
> even if you play at lower volumes.
>
> The monitor system should equal the wattage of the upper range
> speakers, or you really have to drive just mids thru 'em to make them
> useable.
>
> Minimum set I'd like to go out to gig with my band now would be 16ch 2
> bus 4 aux mixer, crossover, ~1K subs, ~300W tops, ~300W monitors,
> preferably all actives, 4 channels of compressor/limiter (bass, kick,
> voxes), a nice quality FX unit with a nice delay/verb patch; 58's for
> vox, 57's for axes, a passable overhead (C1000 min) and a kickdrum
> mic, lines&stands.
>
> Plenty of choice in that range, in very compact and moveable packages
> as well!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dee
Jaysus Dee, do you have roadies?
I'm guessing the rig sounds great. But I'm just as certain I wouldn't
wnt to haul it.
Chuck
On Apr 30, 1:24 am, DeeAa <de...@dnainternet,net > wrote:
> On 30 huhti, 06:45, Restless Fingers Syndrome <r...@itch,com > wrote:
>
> > What type of PA wattage would a
> > trio or 4 piece band need to
> > for gigs: 2 singers. Mike the guitars,
> > bass drum. Highhat.
>
> > Music is .. Standard blues/Classic rock era.
>
> > We need monitors, and front speakers.
> > I'd like to stick to small combo amps: 30w or so..
> > even they can be too loud ! I'd rather have
> > volume project out front ;-0 .
>
> Depends entirely on how loud the drummer is and how good/big the bass
> rig.
>
> We gigged a lot of gigs (+100) with a 1000W PA, 200W monitors, when
> the bassist had a really strong 400W rig and didn't need to run it
> thru PA. Drummer hit the snare @118dB even unmiked. Just two 750W
> cabinets and a 1K amp for PA.
>
> We always miked kick, vox, guitars, one overhead for drums (basically
> just to pick up FX). I'd say the 1000W fullrange was enough for small
> clubs, but you certainly don't get any proper punch from such a low
> wattage system, it is a bit midrangey and sounds loud but not very hi-
> fi at all due to lack of low end power. Kinda sucks.
>
> Now I've heard some ready-built sub/highs with crossovers that have
> been in that range (like 1000W for subs, 200W for tops) that have
> sounded really good, even in quite large venues if huge sound
> pressures aren't called for at all.
>
> Ideally, for a working band, I'd go for somethig like 2x1000W for
> subs, after which something like 2x300W will do fine for higher end.
> But you need the wattage if you want real low end thump/warmth at all,
> even if you play at lower volumes.
>
> The monitor system should equal the wattage of the upper range
> speakers, or you really have to drive just mids thru 'em to make them
> useable.
>
> Minimum set I'd like to go out to gig with my band now would be 16ch 2
> bus 4 aux mixer, crossover, ~1K subs, ~300W tops, ~300W monitors,
> preferably all actives, 4 channels of compressor/limiter (bass, kick,
> voxes), a nice quality FX unit with a nice delay/verb patch; 58's for
> vox, 57's for axes, a passable overhead (C1000 min) and a kickdrum
> mic, lines&stands.
>
> Plenty of choice in that range, in very compact and moveable packages
> as well!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dee
Jaysus Dee, do you have roadies?
I'm guessing the rig sounds great. But I'm just as certain I wouldn't
wnt to haul it.
Chuck
Re: On Topic : PA size : for a Club band ?
<cclawsonco@gmail,com > wrote in message
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>Jaysus Dee, do you have roadies?
>I'm guessing the rig sounds great. But I'm just as certain I wouldn't
>wnt to haul it.
>Chuck
heheh...the biggest things to road around would still be the 4x12" cabs and
heads.
That kinda PA is basically...well they are _very_ compact. Subs are little
bigger than 15" speakers therein, and tops on them poles the sizes of small
suitcases (often they can be latched together too). Being powered, it's
little else. A suitcase full of cords and a small roadie case for the mixer,
4 space rack for outboard gear. Seriously, you can pack a 2000+ w PA in a
station wagon, easy. Size is not everything. We could fit ours in a Chevy
G20 van with seats for 6 and still have the PA, drums, 2 guitar rigs, bass
rig and all. It was pretty full, though. Before that we often lugged a 1500W
PA and all band gear in an Escort with a small trailer :-)
Cheers,
Dee
<cclawsonco@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:54ef289a-1f50-4a56-9db4-1abe4ead2c0e@b64g2000hsa.googlegroups,com ...
>Jaysus Dee, do you have roadies?
>I'm guessing the rig sounds great. But I'm just as certain I wouldn't
>wnt to haul it.
>Chuck
heheh...the biggest things to road around would still be the 4x12" cabs and
heads.
That kinda PA is basically...well they are _very_ compact. Subs are little
bigger than 15" speakers therein, and tops on them poles the sizes of small
suitcases (often they can be latched together too). Being powered, it's
little else. A suitcase full of cords and a small roadie case for the mixer,
4 space rack for outboard gear. Seriously, you can pack a 2000+ w PA in a
station wagon, easy. Size is not everything. We could fit ours in a Chevy
G20 van with seats for 6 and still have the PA, drums, 2 guitar rigs, bass
rig and all. It was pretty full, though. Before that we often lugged a 1500W
PA and all band gear in an Escort with a small trailer :-)
Cheers,
Dee
Re: On Topic : PA size : for a Club band ?
On Apr 30, 12:36 pm, "DeeAa" <deeaaREMOVE T...@dnainternet,net > wrote:
> <cclawso...@gmail,com > wrote in message
>
> news:54ef289a-1f50-4a56-9db4-1abe4ead2c0e@b64g2000hsa.googlegroups,com ...
>
> >Jaysus Dee, do you have roadies?
> >I'm guessing the rig sounds great. But I'm just as certain I wouldn't
> >wnt to haul it.
> >Chuck
>
> heheh...the biggest things to road around would still be the 4x12" cabs and
> heads.
>
> That kinda PA is basically...well they are very compact. Subs are little
> bigger than 15" speakers therein, and tops on them poles the sizes of small
> suitcases (often they can be latched together too). Being powered, it's
> little else. A suitcase full of cords and a small roadie case for the mixer,
> 4 space rack for outboard gear. Seriously, you can pack a 2000+ w PA in a
> station wagon, easy. Size is not everything. We could fit ours in a Chevy
> G20 van with seats for 6 and still have the PA, drums, 2 guitar rigs, bass
> rig and all. It was pretty full, though. Before that we often lugged a 1500W
> PA and all band gear in an Escort with a small trailer :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dee
I remember going to a gig in a buddy's truck- the road was very rough,
it was snowing, the stuff was piled high- we hit a bump and the JCM
800 I was using went flying off of the truck into a snowbank- jumped
off the rtuck to check out the damage thinking the amp was toast-
nothing but a missing knob- took it to the gig, fired it up, played-
no problems. Kids, don't let the singer be in charge of hauling the
gear.
Mike
On Apr 30, 12:36 pm, "DeeAa" <deeaaREMOVE T...@dnainternet,net > wrote:
> <cclawso...@gmail,com > wrote in message
>
> news:54ef289a-1f50-4a56-9db4-1abe4ead2c0e@b64g2000hsa.googlegroups,com ...
>
> >Jaysus Dee, do you have roadies?
> >I'm guessing the rig sounds great. But I'm just as certain I wouldn't
> >wnt to haul it.
> >Chuck
>
> heheh...the biggest things to road around would still be the 4x12" cabs and
> heads.
>
> That kinda PA is basically...well they are very compact. Subs are little
> bigger than 15" speakers therein, and tops on them poles the sizes of small
> suitcases (often they can be latched together too). Being powered, it's
> little else. A suitcase full of cords and a small roadie case for the mixer,
> 4 space rack for outboard gear. Seriously, you can pack a 2000+ w PA in a
> station wagon, easy. Size is not everything. We could fit ours in a Chevy
> G20 van with seats for 6 and still have the PA, drums, 2 guitar rigs, bass
> rig and all. It was pretty full, though. Before that we often lugged a 1500W
> PA and all band gear in an Escort with a small trailer :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dee
I remember going to a gig in a buddy's truck- the road was very rough,
it was snowing, the stuff was piled high- we hit a bump and the JCM
800 I was using went flying off of the truck into a snowbank- jumped
off the rtuck to check out the damage thinking the amp was toast-
nothing but a missing knob- took it to the gig, fired it up, played-
no problems. Kids, don't let the singer be in charge of hauling the
gear.
Mike
Re: On Topic : PA size : for a Club band ?
DeeAa wrote:
> On 30 huhti, 06:45, Restless Fingers Syndrome <r...@itch,com > wrote:
>> What type of PA wattage would a
>> trio or 4 piece band need to
>> for gigs: 2 singers. Mike the guitars,
>> bass drum. Highhat.
>>
>> Music is .. Standard blues/Classic rock era.
>>
>> We need monitors, and front speakers.
>> I'd like to stick to small combo amps: 30w or so..
>> even they can be too loud ! I'd rather have
>> volume project out front ;-0 .
>
> Depends entirely on how loud the drummer is and how good/big the bass
> rig.
>
> We gigged a lot of gigs (+100) with a 1000W PA, 200W monitors, when
> the bassist had a really strong 400W rig and didn't need to run it
> thru PA. Drummer hit the snare @118dB even unmiked. Just two 750W
> cabinets and a 1K amp for PA.
>
> We always miked kick, vox, guitars, one overhead for drums (basically
> just to pick up FX). I'd say the 1000W fullrange was enough for small
> clubs, but you certainly don't get any proper punch from such a low
> wattage system, it is a bit midrangey and sounds loud but not very hi-
> fi at all due to lack of low end power. Kinda sucks.
>
> Now I've heard some ready-built sub/highs with crossovers that have
> been in that range (like 1000W for subs, 200W for tops) that have
> sounded really good, even in quite large venues if huge sound
> pressures aren't called for at all.
>
> Ideally, for a working band, I'd go for somethig like 2x1000W for
> subs, after which something like 2x300W will do fine for higher end.
> But you need the wattage if you want real low end thump/warmth at all,
> even if you play at lower volumes.
>
> The monitor system should equal the wattage of the upper range
> speakers, or you really have to drive just mids thru 'em to make them
> useable.
>
> Minimum set I'd like to go out to gig with my band now would be 16ch 2
> bus 4 aux mixer, crossover, ~1K subs, ~300W tops, ~300W monitors,
> preferably all actives, 4 channels of compressor/limiter (bass, kick,
> voxes), a nice quality FX unit with a nice delay/verb patch; 58's for
> vox, 57's for axes, a passable overhead (C1000 min) and a kickdrum
> mic, lines&stands.
>
> Plenty of choice in that range, in very compact and moveable packages
> as well!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dee
One thing to consider is that street on a Behringer EP2500 is only
fifty bucks more than an EP1500, and it's double the power.
If you have 8 ohm cabs, bridged mono @4 ohms for the mains
in parallel is the right answer.
--
Les Cargill
DeeAa wrote:
> On 30 huhti, 06:45, Restless Fingers Syndrome <r...@itch,com > wrote:
>> What type of PA wattage would a
>> trio or 4 piece band need to
>> for gigs: 2 singers. Mike the guitars,
>> bass drum. Highhat.
>>
>> Music is .. Standard blues/Classic rock era.
>>
>> We need monitors, and front speakers.
>> I'd like to stick to small combo amps: 30w or so..
>> even they can be too loud ! I'd rather have
>> volume project out front ;-0 .
>
> Depends entirely on how loud the drummer is and how good/big the bass
> rig.
>
> We gigged a lot of gigs (+100) with a 1000W PA, 200W monitors, when
> the bassist had a really strong 400W rig and didn't need to run it
> thru PA. Drummer hit the snare @118dB even unmiked. Just two 750W
> cabinets and a 1K amp for PA.
>
> We always miked kick, vox, guitars, one overhead for drums (basically
> just to pick up FX). I'd say the 1000W fullrange was enough for small
> clubs, but you certainly don't get any proper punch from such a low
> wattage system, it is a bit midrangey and sounds loud but not very hi-
> fi at all due to lack of low end power. Kinda sucks.
>
> Now I've heard some ready-built sub/highs with crossovers that have
> been in that range (like 1000W for subs, 200W for tops) that have
> sounded really good, even in quite large venues if huge sound
> pressures aren't called for at all.
>
> Ideally, for a working band, I'd go for somethig like 2x1000W for
> subs, after which something like 2x300W will do fine for higher end.
> But you need the wattage if you want real low end thump/warmth at all,
> even if you play at lower volumes.
>
> The monitor system should equal the wattage of the upper range
> speakers, or you really have to drive just mids thru 'em to make them
> useable.
>
> Minimum set I'd like to go out to gig with my band now would be 16ch 2
> bus 4 aux mixer, crossover, ~1K subs, ~300W tops, ~300W monitors,
> preferably all actives, 4 channels of compressor/limiter (bass, kick,
> voxes), a nice quality FX unit with a nice delay/verb patch; 58's for
> vox, 57's for axes, a passable overhead (C1000 min) and a kickdrum
> mic, lines&stands.
>
> Plenty of choice in that range, in very compact and moveable packages
> as well!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dee
One thing to consider is that street on a Behringer EP2500 is only
fifty bucks more than an EP1500, and it's double the power.
If you have 8 ohm cabs, bridged mono @4 ohms for the mains
in parallel is the right answer.
--
Les Cargill
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