OT: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?

OT: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?

I couldn't resist posting this one!!!

According to a new poll conducted by CNN, GWB ranks number ONE, as the
most unpopular American President, in modern American history!!

I would be laughing about this...if the whole story wasn't such a
tragedy.

But, there is nothing funny about the damage this man has done to
America and the world.

I heard a bit of news on NPR the other day, talking about how in the
eyes of the rest of the world, America its self, has become primarily
"insignificant", along with our president--due to the policies of this
administration.

Of course, the repugs will all argue that " we still got the biggest
stick" as a reason that we are NOT insignificant.

The whole message is lost on such idiots.

Mike

Re: OT: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?

Mike Pritchard wrote:
> I couldn't resist posting this one!!!
>
> According to a new poll conducted by CNN, GWB ranks number ONE, as the
> most unpopular American President, in modern American history!!
>
> I would be laughing about this...if the whole story wasn't such a
> tragedy.
>
> But, there is nothing funny about the damage this man has done to
> America and the world.
>
> I heard a bit of news on NPR the other day, talking about how in the
> eyes of the rest of the world, America its self, has become primarily
> "insignificant", along with our president--due to the policies of this
> administration.
>
> Of course, the repugs will all argue that " we still got the biggest
> stick" as a reason that we are NOT insignificant.
>
> The whole message is lost on such idiots.
>
> Mike
>
>
"Get over it...they 'won'"...;-) mvm

Re: OT: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?

Truth~Seeker wrote:
> Mike Pritchard wrote:
>> I couldn't resist posting this one!!!
>>
>> According to a new poll conducted by CNN, GWB ranks number ONE, as the
>> most unpopular American President, in modern American history!!
>>
>> I would be laughing about this...if the whole story wasn't such a
>> tragedy.
>>
>> But, there is nothing funny about the damage this man has done to
>> America and the world.
>>
>> I heard a bit of news on NPR the other day, talking about how in the
>> eyes of the rest of the world, America its self, has become primarily
>> "insignificant", along with our president--due to the policies of this
>> administration.
>>
>> Of course, the repugs will all argue that " we still got the biggest
>> stick" as a reason that we are NOT insignificant.
>>
>> The whole message is lost on such idiots.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
> "Get over it...they 'won'"...;-) mvm

It *will* be interesting to witness comparisons between George W. Bush
and Rutherford B. Hayes (*also* a Republican, *and* the only other U.S.
president considered "fraudulent" in that, in 1876, he lost the popular
vote to Samuel J. Tilden -by a huge majority)... mvm

Obama '08!

Re: OT: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?

Mike Pritchard wrote:
> I couldn't resist posting this one!!!
>
> According to a new poll conducted by CNN, GWB ranks number ONE, as the
> most unpopular American President, in modern American history!!
>
> I would be laughing about this...if the whole story wasn't such a
> tragedy.
>
> But, there is nothing funny about the damage this man has done to
> America and the world.
>
> I heard a bit of news on NPR the other day, talking about how in the
> eyes of the rest of the world, America its self, has become primarily
> "insignificant", along with our president--due to the policies of this
> administration.
>
> Of course, the repugs will all argue that " we still got the biggest
> stick" as a reason that we are NOT insignificant.
>
> The whole message is lost on such idiots.
>
> Mike
>
>
* en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United States presidential election, 1876

Re: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?

Mike Pritchard <mrp@no-spam.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> I couldn't resist posting this one!!!
>
> According to a new poll conducted by CNN, GWB ranks number ONE, as the
> most unpopular American President, in modern American history!!
>
> I would be laughing about this...if the whole story wasn't such a
> tragedy.
>
> But, there is nothing funny about the damage this man has done to
> America and the world.
>
> I heard a bit of news on NPR the other day, talking about how in the
> eyes of the rest of the world, America its self, has become primarily
> "insignificant", along with our president--due to the policies of this
> administration.
>
> Of course, the repugs will all argue that " we still got the biggest
> stick" as a reason that we are NOT insignificant.
>
> The whole message is lost on such idiots.
>
> Mike

I sympathize with you, but if you know your American history, you see
that he's got some pretty stiff competition.

My guess is that, after the passage of some time, he'll rank in the
bottom 10 but he has a long way to go to be ranked #1 worst by
historians...a distinction that should probably go to Buchanan.

Then again, there are over 8 months left in his term ;-)

Re: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?

RichL wrote:
> Mike Pritchard <mrp@no-spam.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>> I couldn't resist posting this one!!!
>>
>> According to a new poll conducted by CNN, GWB ranks number ONE, as the
>> most unpopular American President, in modern American history!!
>>
>> I would be laughing about this...if the whole story wasn't such a
>> tragedy.
>>
>> But, there is nothing funny about the damage this man has done to
>> America and the world.
>>
>> I heard a bit of news on NPR the other day, talking about how in the
>> eyes of the rest of the world, America its self, has become primarily
>> "insignificant", along with our president--due to the policies of this
>> administration.
>>
>> Of course, the repugs will all argue that " we still got the biggest
>> stick" as a reason that we are NOT insignificant.
>>
>> The whole message is lost on such idiots.
>>
>> Mike
>
> I sympathize with you, but if you know your American history, you see
> that he's got some pretty stiff competition.
>
> My guess is that, after the passage of some time, he'll rank in the
> bottom 10 but he has a long way to go to be ranked #1 worst by
> historians...a distinction that should probably go to Buchanan.
>
> Then again, there are over 8 months left in his term ;-)
>
>

I think that 20 years out, he'll be considered a very good President.
TR couldn't get *arrested* by the end of his career, and he ended up
on Mount Rushmore. People forget the hubris.

--
Les Cargill

Re: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?

Les Cargill wrote:
> RichL wrote:
>> Mike Pritchard <mrp@no-spam.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>> I couldn't resist posting this one!!!
>>>
>>> According to a new poll conducted by CNN, GWB ranks number ONE, as the
>>> most unpopular American President, in modern American history!!
>>>
>>> I would be laughing about this...if the whole story wasn't such a
>>> tragedy.
>>>
>>> But, there is nothing funny about the damage this man has done to
>>> America and the world.
>>>
>>> I heard a bit of news on NPR the other day, talking about how in the
>>> eyes of the rest of the world, America its self, has become primarily
>>> "insignificant", along with our president--due to the policies of this
>>> administration.
>>>
>>> Of course, the repugs will all argue that " we still got the biggest
>>> stick" as a reason that we are NOT insignificant.
>>>
>>> The whole message is lost on such idiots.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>
>> I sympathize with you, but if you know your American history, you see
>> that he's got some pretty stiff competition.
>>
>> My guess is that, after the passage of some time, he'll rank in the
>> bottom 10 but he has a long way to go to be ranked #1 worst by
>> historians...a distinction that should probably go to Buchanan.
>>
>> Then again, there are over 8 months left in his term ;-)
>>
>>
>
> I think that 20 years out, he'll be considered a very good President.
> TR couldn't get *arrested* by the end of his career, and he ended up
> on Mount Rushmore. People forget the hubris.
>
> --
> Les Cargill

Les, as always, you're a proven barometer for: dead wrong. I think I'll
call this strike three.

1. Big 10 NCAA Division I football doesn't pay for itself.
2. The Les Paul Custom doesn't have a maple cap.
3. 20 years out, [GWB]'ll be considered a very good president.

You are goofier than chuck clawson on a "chart" jag. mvm

Re: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?

Truth~Seeker wrote:
<snip>

Die. In. A. Fire. Nymshifter.

--
Les Cargill

Re: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?

> Les Cargill wrote:
>
> I Died In A Fire.
>
> --
> Les Cargill

1.
2.
3.

:-) mvm

Re: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?

Les Cargill wrote:

> I think that 20 years out, he'll be considered a very good President.

Perhaps on the Mars colony, not on this planet.

> TR couldn't get *arrested* by the end of his career, and he ended up
> on Mount Rushmore. People forget the hubris.

It's hard to imagine a meaningful comparison between TR and Bush. TR wrote
35 books, Bush probably hasn't read 35 books. TR won a Noble Prize, he was
VP before becoming President and Asst. Sec. of the Navy and Governor before
that, he was widely considered an intellectual of his day. TR was a war
hero, Bush stood in front of a Mission Accomplished banner. TR made a huge
impact in many areas, and usually not in terms since associated with words
like "fiasco" and "disaster." TR helped to establish some of the public
institutions that the Bush admin has been trying to dismantle, e.g. pure
food and drug laws, national parks and so on. Yes, he had his less
attractive side too, but the point is he had an impressive side, where
exactly do we go to see Bush's attractive qualities?

Re: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?

On Thu, 1 May 2008 20:08:12 -0700, "DGDevin" <dgdevin@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>Les Cargill wrote:
>
>> I think that 20 years out, he'll be considered a very good President.

20 years out, we'll still be feeling the aftershocks from this
administration. It will be a teeny bit longer til Bush makes it to Mt.
Rushmore. Maybe they'll carve his image into a mountain in Iran
though. He did win their war for them.

>It's hard to imagine a meaningful comparison between TR and Bush. TR wrote
>35 books, Bush probably hasn't read 35 books...

LOL! You were wondering if any -Republicans- still thought Bush was
competent.

Re: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?

RS wrote:
> On Thu, 1 May 2008 20:08:12 -0700, "DGDevin" <dgdevin@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Les Cargill wrote:
>>
>>> I think that 20 years out, he'll be considered a very good President.
>
> 20 years out, we'll still be feeling the aftershocks from this
> administration. It will be a teeny bit longer til Bush makes it to Mt.
> Rushmore. Maybe they'll carve his image into a mountain in Iran
> though. He did win their war for them.
>
>> It's hard to imagine a meaningful comparison between TR and Bush. TR wrote
>> 35 books, Bush probably hasn't read 35 books...
>
> LOL! You were wondering if any -Republicans- still thought Bush was
> competent.


Hide and watch. I would be very surprised to see it otherwise. And
I have never been, voted for nor thought Republican in my entire life.

--
Les Cargill

Re: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?

DGDevin wrote:
> Les Cargill wrote:
>
>> I think that 20 years out, he'll be considered a very good President.
>
> Perhaps on the Mars colony, not on this planet.
>
>> TR couldn't get *arrested* by the end of his career, and he ended up
>> on Mount Rushmore. People forget the hubris.
>
> It's hard to imagine a meaningful comparison between TR and Bush.

Try this:
* w w w .amazon . com /Theodore-Rex-Modern-Library-Paperbacks/dp/0812966007/ref=pd bbs sr 1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1209767347&sr=8-1

There are far more points in common than in difference. They have to do
with how they viewed America's role in the world. I mean, almost
everything TR did was imperial.

That book is why I said that - and Edmund Morris did a CSPAN detailing
the similarities, which I found interesting.

> TR wrote
> 35 books, Bush probably hasn't read 35 books. TR won a Noble Prize, he was
> VP before becoming President and Asst. Sec. of the Navy and Governor before
> that, he was widely considered an intellectual of his day.

Different time. We would no longer elect somebody who had written so
much as a published academic paper. Some mirror that is, isn't it?

Seen Kuchinich lately? I haven't, either. Dumb all over. A little
ugly on the side....

> TR was a war
> hero, Bush stood in front of a Mission Accomplished banner. TR made a huge
> impact in many areas, and usually not in terms since associated with words
> like "fiasco" and "disaster."

Bush tried to be a warrior. His timing wasn't very good. And face it,
he's not the sort to do the modern chain-of-command thing. But
neither was TR.... the Rough Riders were not exactly a standard
military organization... some people have compared them to
Civil War Irregulars. Meh - lousy comparison, but it grows on
you.

> TR helped to establish some of the public
> institutions that the Bush admin has been trying to dismantle, e.g. pure
> food and drug laws, national parks and so on.

Exactly. Yes yes! See, I think that makes 'em a lot the same - they both
operated according to the fashion of the time...

But really, my point went more to our demonstrated inability to predict
how a president will be viewed during the lame duck days of his
presidency. TR had people who would have slit his *throat* by the end,
and by the time the Bull Moose thing was over, he was done for.


> Yes, he had his less
> attractive side too, but the point is he had an impressive side, where
> exactly do we go to see Bush's attractive qualities?
>
>

* w w w .pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/

Make popcorn first. It's five hours.

Look. Bush's presentation does not bother me. I grew up with people
who talked like that, sorta like Levon Helm's character in "The Right
Stuff". I do not assume that makes 'em dumb. Because it does not. Some
people use that to hustle people.

The rest of it... requires a not inconsiderable amount of
work to dig up. None of the stuff on the Frontline was all
that well spread around.

Bush has considerable grace under what was immense pressure, has
a highly loyalty-driven leadership style ( almost to the point of being
a weakness ) and had good political fire discipline. Until you think
about everything that happened, it's hard ( for me at least )
to remember it all. This was Deep Sh*t. This was an existential
crisis. We were *scared*.

The problem was that his team did not cotton to dissent. At all. You
spoke up in opposition, and you were Out. I think he was a Veep away
from being a very good President - Cheney is just *phenomenal* at
infighting.

I am not making this up, this is not a troll, and I mean no offense.
There is a lotta there there. It is fun to dig through. The guy's
weaknesses are incredible, but he's very resolute in overcoming them.
He is a person of not inconsiderable will.

--
Les Cargill

Re: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?

Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr . com > wrote:

> Bush has [....] a highly loyalty-driven leadership style ( almost to
the point of being a weakness )....

While such a style may be considered an asset in a business leader (and
I'd even question that), it is (to me at least) a horrible liability in
government and particularly in a president. So to me, it's a terrible
weakness, one which manifests itself in what you refer to as the dissent
issue. The trouble is that attempts to present reasonable policy
alternatives are perceived as dissent. In an enterprise as complex as
operating the executive branch of the US government, this is a *fatal*
flaw and results in tragic consequences inevitably.

Bush's pro-business orientation coupled with this "you're with me or
against me" attitude has led, among other things, to the breakdown of
innumerable federal agencies (just about all of the ones whose
responsibility is primarily in the domestic arena). I can't even begin
to list them here, but I can imagine some of the conversations that did
*NOT* take place because of Bush's attitudes:

USDA: "Sure, Mr. President, we can import drugs cheaply from China, and
that would save retailers money, but shouldn't we make sure they're safe
first?"

EPA, NASA, ...: "Mr. President, these science types at our agencies
know their stuff pretty well, maybe we should consider their input
before we start making policy."

FEMA: "Mr. President, it's usually a good idea to leave enough of the
National Guard in the US so that they can respond effectively to a
natural disaster, should it occur."

The list goes on....

Re: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?

On May 2, 5:24=EF=BF=BDpm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo . com > wrote:
>
> USDA: =EF=BF=BD"Sure, Mr. President, we can import drugs cheaply from Chin=
a, and
> that would save retailers money, but shouldn't we make sure they're safe
> first?"
>
> EPA, NASA, ...: =EF=BF=BD"Mr. President, these science types at our agenci=
es
> know their stuff pretty well, maybe we should consider their input
> before we start making policy."
>
> FEMA: =EF=BF=BD"Mr. President, it's usually a good idea to leave enough of=
the
> National Guard in the US so that they can respond effectively to a
> natural disaster, should it occur."
>
> The list goes on....



Once again, RichL shows he has no clue how the government works.

More made-up shit from the loonball, El Kabong Toady #3.

"I've read all of Mike Moore's books" - Ed Blum