Vintage Fender Princeton speaker help

I have a vintage 1960 Fender Princeton 5F2-A that doesn't have a speaker, so
I'll need one..I'll probably go with a Jensen P8R as a replacment to the
once stock (I'm guessing) Jensen P8T. My question, if anyone can advise is,
will I need a 4 ohm or 8 ohm speaker for this really cool, near mint old
amp?

Specs:

4-1/2 Watts
12AX7 Preamp
6V6GT Single ended power
5Y3GT Rectifier

I've googled the hell out of this without success. Any suggestions would be
appreciated.

* w w w .ampwares . com /ffg/

Click on the narrow panel Princeton.

FWIW, I've heard the new issue Jensen's are not like the originals. Recoton
purchased and hijacked the name. I'm not saying they are bad speakers, but
neither are they what people might expect.

If you want something more faithful to the original, try w w w .tedweber . com
and look at the 8F100. Call Ted and *talk* to him. Maybe he can sell you
stuff that's not on the "menu".

> CounterTrey <Hail2007@nospam . net > wrote:

> I have a vintage 1960 Fender Princeton 5F2-A that doesn't have a speaker, so
> I'll need one..I'll probably go with a Jensen P8R as a replacment to the
> once stock (I'm guessing) Jensen P8T. My question, if anyone can advise is,
> will I need a 4 ohm or 8 ohm speaker for this really cool, near mint old
> amp?
>
> Specs:
>
> 4-1/2 Watts
> 12AX7 Preamp
> 6V6GT Single ended power
> 5Y3GT Rectifier
>
> I've googled the hell out of this without success. Any suggestions would be
> appreciated.

> > Phil S. <psymonds_no_spam@comcast . net > wrote:

> > * w w w .ampwares . com /ffg/
> >
> > Click on the narrow panel Princeton.
>
> > FWIW, I've heard the new issue Jensen's are not like the originals. Recoton
> > purchased and hijacked the name. I'm not saying they are bad speakers, but
> > neither are they what people might expect.
>
> > If you want something more faithful to the original, try w w w .tedweber . com
> > and look at the 8F100. Call Ted and *talk* to him. Maybe he can sell you
> > stuff that's not on the "menu".
> >
> >


Another excellent choice is the Eminence Legend series of speakers.
I have personal experience with them and they are really nice and
retain all of the vintage sounds. The Eminence Legends are Made In USA and
the direct replacement for your older Princeton would be the
Legend 875. Of course if you take out the baffle board and replace
with a 10 inch baffle board you could go with Legend 102 or 105 and
then look out! Your little Princeton will become a mighty mite indeed!
Great tones for sure. (all the Legends are based on the original speaker
designs - in the case of your Princeton is would be the older Oxfords
that originally came in there).

Ok. that's my 2 cents.

"Squier" <squier@strats . net > wrote in message
news:120520081624375929%squier@strats . net ...
>
>> CounterTrey <Hail2007@nospam . net > wrote:
>
>> I have a vintage 1960 Fender Princeton 5F2-A that doesn't have a speaker,
>> so
>> I'll need one..I'll probably go with a Jensen P8R as a replacment to the
>> once stock (I'm guessing) Jensen P8T. My question, if anyone can advise
>> is,
>> will I need a 4 ohm or 8 ohm speaker for this really cool, near mint old
>> amp?
>>
>> Specs:
>>
>> 4-1/2 Watts
>> 12AX7 Preamp
>> 6V6GT Single ended power
>> 5Y3GT Rectifier
>>
>> I've googled the hell out of this without success. Any suggestions would
>> be
>> appreciated.
>
>> > Phil S. <psymonds_no_spam@comcast . net > wrote:
>
>> > * w w w .ampwares . com /ffg/
>> >
>> > Click on the narrow panel Princeton.
>>
>> > FWIW, I've heard the new issue Jensen's are not like the originals.
>> > Recoton
>> > purchased and hijacked the name. I'm not saying they are bad speakers,
>> > but
>> > neither are they what people might expect.
>>
>> > If you want something more faithful to the original, try
>> > w w w .tedweber . com
>> > and look at the 8F100. Call Ted and *talk* to him. Maybe he can sell
>> > you
>> > stuff that's not on the "menu".
>> >
>> >
>
>
> Another excellent choice is the Eminence Legend series of speakers.
> I have personal experience with them and they are really nice and
> retain all of the vintage sounds. The Eminence Legends are Made In USA
> and
> the direct replacement for your older Princeton would be the
> Legend 875. Of course if you take out the baffle board and replace
> with a 10 inch baffle board you could go with Legend 102 or 105 and
> then look out! Your little Princeton will become a mighty mite indeed!
> Great tones for sure. (all the Legends are based on the original speaker
> designs - in the case of your Princeton is would be the older Oxfords
> that originally came in there).
>
> Ok. that's my 2 cents.

Tried to find the 875 and it's no longer available...?! Bummer.

> CounterTrey <Hail2007@nospam . net > wrote:

> "Squier" <squier@strats . net > wrote in message
> news:120520081624375929%squier@strats . net ...
> >
> >> CounterTrey <Hail2007@nospam . net > wrote:
> >
> >> I have a vintage 1960 Fender Princeton 5F2-A that doesn't have a speaker,
> >> so
> >> I'll need one..I'll probably go with a Jensen P8R as a replacment to the
> >> once stock (I'm guessing) Jensen P8T. My question, if anyone can advise
> >> is,
> >> will I need a 4 ohm or 8 ohm speaker for this really cool, near mint old
> >> amp?
> >>
> >> Specs:
> >>
> >> 4-1/2 Watts
> >> 12AX7 Preamp
> >> 6V6GT Single ended power
> >> 5Y3GT Rectifier
> >>
> >> I've googled the hell out of this without success. Any suggestions would
> >> be
> >> appreciated.
> >
> >> > Phil S. <psymonds_no_spam@comcast . net > wrote:
> >
> >> > * w w w .ampwares . com /ffg/
> >> >
> >> > Click on the narrow panel Princeton.
> >>
> >> > FWIW, I've heard the new issue Jensen's are not like the originals.
> >> > Recoton
> >> > purchased and hijacked the name. I'm not saying they are bad speakers,
> >> > but
> >> > neither are they what people might expect.
> >>
> >> > If you want something more faithful to the original, try
> >> > w w w .tedweber . com
> >> > and look at the 8F100. Call Ted and *talk* to him. Maybe he can sell
> >> > you
> >> > stuff that's not on the "menu".
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
> > Another excellent choice is the Eminence Legend series of speakers.
> > I have personal experience with them and they are really nice and
> > retain all of the vintage sounds. The Eminence Legends are Made In USA
> > and
> > the direct replacement for your older Princeton would be the
> > Legend 875. Of course if you take out the baffle board and replace
> > with a 10 inch baffle board you could go with Legend 102 or 105 and
> > then look out! Your little Princeton will become a mighty mite indeed!
> > Great tones for sure. (all the Legends are based on the original speaker
> > designs - in the case of your Princeton is would be the older Oxfords
> > that originally came in there).
> >
> > Ok. that's my 2 cents.
>
> Tried to find the 875 and it's no longer available...?! Bummer.
>
>


Wow! Thanks for the heads up there. We got 2 of those
maybe a few years ago and they sound great. I had no idea
they are now discontinued. That's a shame.

ok - well good luck in your search. I didn't mean to
recommend something that is not being made anymore.

"Squier" <squier@strats . net > wrote in message
news:130520081911377429%squier@strats . net ...
>> CounterTrey <Hail2007@nospam . net > wrote:
>
>> "Squier" <squier@strats . net > wrote in message
>> news:120520081624375929%squier@strats . net ...
>> >
>> >> CounterTrey <Hail2007@nospam . net > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have a vintage 1960 Fender Princeton 5F2-A that doesn't have a
>> >> speaker,
>> >> so
>> >> I'll need one..I'll probably go with a Jensen P8R as a replacment to
>> >> the
>> >> once stock (I'm guessing) Jensen P8T. My question, if anyone can
>> >> advise
>> >> is,
>> >> will I need a 4 ohm or 8 ohm speaker for this really cool, near mint
>> >> old
>> >> amp?
>> >>
>> >> Specs:
>> >>
>> >> 4-1/2 Watts
>> >> 12AX7 Preamp
>> >> 6V6GT Single ended power
>> >> 5Y3GT Rectifier
>> >>
>> >> I've googled the hell out of this without success. Any suggestions
>> >> would
>> >> be
>> >> appreciated.
>> >
>> >> > Phil S. <psymonds_no_spam@comcast . net > wrote:
>> >
>> >> > * w w w .ampwares . com /ffg/
>> >> >
>> >> > Click on the narrow panel Princeton.
>> >>
>> >> > FWIW, I've heard the new issue Jensen's are not like the originals.
>> >> > Recoton
>> >> > purchased and hijacked the name. I'm not saying they are bad
>> >> > speakers,
>> >> > but
>> >> > neither are they what people might expect.
>> >>
>> >> > If you want something more faithful to the original, try
>> >> > w w w .tedweber . com
>> >> > and look at the 8F100. Call Ted and *talk* to him. Maybe he can
>> >> > sell
>> >> > you
>> >> > stuff that's not on the "menu".
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Another excellent choice is the Eminence Legend series of speakers.
>> > I have personal experience with them and they are really nice and
>> > retain all of the vintage sounds. The Eminence Legends are Made In USA
>> > and
>> > the direct replacement for your older Princeton would be the
>> > Legend 875. Of course if you take out the baffle board and replace
>> > with a 10 inch baffle board you could go with Legend 102 or 105 and
>> > then look out! Your little Princeton will become a mighty mite indeed!
>> > Great tones for sure. (all the Legends are based on the original
>> > speaker
>> > designs - in the case of your Princeton is would be the older Oxfords
>> > that originally came in there).
>> >
>> > Ok. that's my 2 cents.
>>
>> Tried to find the 875 and it's no longer available...?! Bummer.
>>
>>
>
>
> Wow! Thanks for the heads up there. We got 2 of those
> maybe a few years ago and they sound great. I had no idea
> they are now discontinued. That's a shame.
>
> ok - well good luck in your search. I didn't mean to
> recommend something that is not being made anymore.

Not a problem. Ted Weber e-mailed me and solved the problem. He's certain
it's an 8 ohm replacement and says his 10A125 would sound really nice in it.
Maybe this is the ticket!

On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:09:04 -0400, "CounterTrey"
<Hail2007@nospam . net > wrote:

>
>"Squier" <squier@strats . net > wrote in message
>news:130520081911377429%squier@strats . net ...
>>> CounterTrey <Hail2007@nospam . net > wrote:
>>
>>> "Squier" <squier@strats . net > wrote in message
>>> news:120520081624375929%squier@strats . net ...
>>> >
>>> >> CounterTrey <Hail2007@nospam . net > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I have a vintage 1960 Fender Princeton 5F2-A that doesn't have a
>>> >> speaker,
>>> >> so
>>> >> I'll need one..I'll probably go with a Jensen P8R as a replacment to
>>> >> the
>>> >> once stock (I'm guessing) Jensen P8T. My question, if anyone can
>>> >> advise
>>> >> is,
>>> >> will I need a 4 ohm or 8 ohm speaker for this really cool, near mint
>>> >> old
>>> >> amp?
>>> >>
>>> >> Specs:
>>> >>
>>> >> 4-1/2 Watts
>>> >> 12AX7 Preamp
>>> >> 6V6GT Single ended power
>>> >> 5Y3GT Rectifier
>>> >>
>>> >> I've googled the hell out of this without success. Any suggestions
>>> >> would
>>> >> be
>>> >> appreciated.
>>> >
>>> >> > Phil S. <psymonds_no_spam@comcast . net > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> > * w w w .ampwares . com /ffg/
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Click on the narrow panel Princeton.
>>> >>
>>> >> > FWIW, I've heard the new issue Jensen's are not like the originals.
>>> >> > Recoton
>>> >> > purchased and hijacked the name. I'm not saying they are bad
>>> >> > speakers,
>>> >> > but
>>> >> > neither are they what people might expect.
>>> >>
>>> >> > If you want something more faithful to the original, try
>>> >> > w w w .tedweber . com
>>> >> > and look at the 8F100. Call Ted and *talk* to him. Maybe he can
>>> >> > sell
>>> >> > you
>>> >> > stuff that's not on the "menu".
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Another excellent choice is the Eminence Legend series of speakers.
>>> > I have personal experience with them and they are really nice and
>>> > retain all of the vintage sounds. The Eminence Legends are Made In USA
>>> > and
>>> > the direct replacement for your older Princeton would be the
>>> > Legend 875. Of course if you take out the baffle board and replace
>>> > with a 10 inch baffle board you could go with Legend 102 or 105 and
>>> > then look out! Your little Princeton will become a mighty mite indeed!
>>> > Great tones for sure. (all the Legends are based on the original
>>> > speaker
>>> > designs - in the case of your Princeton is would be the older Oxfords
>>> > that originally came in there).
>>> >
>>> > Ok. that's my 2 cents.
>>>
>>> Tried to find the 875 and it's no longer available...?! Bummer.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Wow! Thanks for the heads up there. We got 2 of those
>> maybe a few years ago and they sound great. I had no idea
>> they are now discontinued. That's a shame.
>>
>> ok - well good luck in your search. I didn't mean to
>> recommend something that is not being made anymore.
>
>Not a problem. Ted Weber e-mailed me and solved the problem. He's certain
>it's an 8 ohm replacement and says his 10A125 would sound really nice in it.
>Maybe this is the ticket!
>
Remember the break in time before it sounds right...

In article <Gy1Xj.4449$Kk3.4125@bignews9.bellsouth . net >,
"CounterTrey" <Hail2007@nospam . net > wrote:

> Not a problem. Ted Weber e-mailed me and solved the problem. He's certain
> it's an 8 ohm replacement and says his 10A125 would sound really nice in it.
> Maybe this is the ticket!

*10*A125? Maybe Ted was thinking of a BF Princeton, not a Tweed.

BTW, I used to have a 76 Princeton Reverb with a 10A125, and it did
indeed sound VERY nice! Unfortunately it won't work in your amp.

--Mike

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"Mike Schway" <mschway@nas . com > wrote in message
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> In article <Gy1Xj.4449$Kk3.4125@bignews9.bellsouth . net >,
> "CounterTrey" <Hail2007@nospam . net > wrote:
>
>> Not a problem. Ted Weber e-mailed me and solved the problem. He's
>> certain
>> it's an 8 ohm replacement and says his 10A125 would sound really nice in
>> it.
>> Maybe this is the ticket!
>
> *10*A125? Maybe Ted was thinking of a BF Princeton, not a Tweed.
>
> BTW, I used to have a 76 Princeton Reverb with a 10A125, and it did
> indeed sound VERY nice! Unfortunately it won't work in your amp.
>
> --Mike
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Mike Schway | [Picture your favorite quote here]
> mschway@nas . com |
> --------------------------------------------------------------------

You know..you're right. I figured this out *after* I made the post...He was
probably thinking of the BF and not mine, not to mention the 10" flavor he
suggested. What the heck, the search continues...at least we've got the ohm
issue resolved. Probably go for the 8S. Thanks again!

Mike Schway wrote:
> In article <Gy1Xj.4449$Kk3.4125@bignews9.bellsouth . net >,
> "CounterTrey" <Hail2007@nospam . net > wrote:
>
>> Not a problem. Ted Weber e-mailed me and solved the problem. He's certain
>> it's an 8 ohm replacement and says his 10A125 would sound really nice in it.
>> Maybe this is the ticket!
>
> *10*A125? Maybe Ted was thinking of a BF Princeton, not a Tweed.
>
> BTW, I used to have a 76 Princeton Reverb with a 10A125, and it did
> indeed sound VERY nice! Unfortunately it won't work in your amp.
>
> --Mike
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Mike Schway | [Picture your favorite quote here]
> mschway@nas . com |
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
yep, the tweed princeton has a 8-inch speaker

In article <%9ZVj.64194$%15.46072@bignews7.bellsouth . net >,
"CounterTrey" <Hail2007@nospam . net > wrote:

> I have a vintage 1960 Fender Princeton 5F2-A that doesn't have a speaker, so
> I'll need one..I'll probably go with a Jensen P8R as a replacment to the
> once stock (I'm guessing) Jensen P8T. My question, if anyone can advise is,
> will I need a 4 ohm or 8 ohm speaker for this really cool, near mint old
> amp?
>
> Specs:
>
> 4-1/2 Watts
> 12AX7 Preamp
> 6V6GT Single ended power
> 5Y3GT Rectifier
>
> I've googled the hell out of this without success. Any suggestions would be
> appreciated.

I'm almost positive it's a 4 ohm. The narrow panel tweed Princeton was
basically a Champ but with the addition of a tone control. None of the
5E2 and 5F2 prints say, but I'd be really surprised if Fender stocked
two varieties of 5W single ended OPTs.

Given that it's a 4 ohm speaker, there aren't too many choices out
there. A Weber 8A125 or 8A100 would SOUND great in this amp, but it
probably won't fit unless you get a new cabinet. His AlNiCo Signature
8S would be a great 2nd choice based on tone alone, but since it fits,
it automatically gets a promotion to your first choice. At $35, it's
also a good deal cheaper than the 8Ax series.

--Mike

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"Mike Schway" <mschway@nas . com > wrote in message
news:mschway-BAEE52.17462012052008@comcast.dca.giganews . com ...
> In article <%9ZVj.64194$%15.46072@bignews7.bellsouth . net >,
> "CounterTrey" <Hail2007@nospam . net > wrote:
>
>> I have a vintage 1960 Fender Princeton 5F2-A that doesn't have a speaker,
>> so
>> I'll need one..I'll probably go with a Jensen P8R as a replacment to the
>> once stock (I'm guessing) Jensen P8T. My question, if anyone can advise
>> is,
>> will I need a 4 ohm or 8 ohm speaker for this really cool, near mint old
>> amp?
>>
>> Specs:
>>
>> 4-1/2 Watts
>> 12AX7 Preamp
>> 6V6GT Single ended power
>> 5Y3GT Rectifier
>>
>> I've googled the hell out of this without success. Any suggestions would
>> be
>> appreciated.
>
> I'm almost positive it's a 4 ohm. The narrow panel tweed Princeton was
> basically a Champ but with the addition of a tone control. None of the
> 5E2 and 5F2 prints say, but I'd be really surprised if Fender stocked
> two varieties of 5W single ended OPTs.
>
> Given that it's a 4 ohm speaker, there aren't too many choices out
> there. A Weber 8A125 or 8A100 would SOUND great in this amp, but it
> probably won't fit unless you get a new cabinet. His AlNiCo Signature
> 8S would be a great 2nd choice based on tone alone, but since it fits,
> it automatically gets a promotion to your first choice. At $35, it's
> also a good deal cheaper than the 8Ax series.
>
> --Mike
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Mike Schway | [Picture your favorite quote here]
> mschway@nas . com |
> --------------------------------------------------------------------

Mike,
I think that's a very good call. The narrow panel Champ of the same era
used a 4 ohm speaker according to the FFG. That would be the 5F1, 3 tubes
12AX7, 6V6GT, 5Y3. I think the OP must have a 5F2 or 5F2A.

--Phil

"Phil S." <psymonds_no_spam@comcast . net > wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Schway" <mschway@nas . com > wrote in message
> news:mschway-BAEE52.17462012052008@comcast.dca.giganews . com ...
>> In article <%9ZVj.64194$%15.46072@bignews7.bellsouth . net >,
>> "CounterTrey" <Hail2007@nospam . net > wrote:
>>
>>> I have a vintage 1960 Fender Princeton 5F2-A that doesn't have a
>>> speaker, so
>>> I'll need one..I'll probably go with a Jensen P8R as a replacment to the
>>> once stock (I'm guessing) Jensen P8T. My question, if anyone can advise
>>> is,
>>> will I need a 4 ohm or 8 ohm speaker for this really cool, near mint old
>>> amp?
>>>
>>> Specs:
>>>
>>> 4-1/2 Watts
>>> 12AX7 Preamp
>>> 6V6GT Single ended power
>>> 5Y3GT Rectifier
>>>
>>> I've googled the hell out of this without success. Any suggestions would
>>> be
>>> appreciated.
>>
>> I'm almost positive it's a 4 ohm. The narrow panel tweed Princeton was
>> basically a Champ but with the addition of a tone control. None of the
>> 5E2 and 5F2 prints say, but I'd be really surprised if Fender stocked
>> two varieties of 5W single ended OPTs.
>>
>> Given that it's a 4 ohm speaker, there aren't too many choices out
>> there. A Weber 8A125 or 8A100 would SOUND great in this amp, but it
>> probably won't fit unless you get a new cabinet. His AlNiCo Signature
>> 8S would be a great 2nd choice based on tone alone, but since it fits,
>> it automatically gets a promotion to your first choice. At $35, it's
>> also a good deal cheaper than the 8Ax series.
>>
>> --Mike
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Mike Schway | [Picture your favorite quote here]
>> mschway@nas . com |
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Mike,
> I think that's a very good call. The narrow panel Champ of the same era
> used a 4 ohm speaker according to the FFG. That would be the 5F1, 3 tubes
> 12AX7, 6V6GT, 5Y3. I think the OP must have a 5F2 or 5F2A.
>
> --Phil

I looked into Weber and their 8A125T Vintage series 8" probably will work
since it's a direct replacement for the current Jensen P8R (updated
replacement for the old P8T). I'll check into the 8S as well. Anyway, I'll
have to call and speak to Ted and get his take on it....Again, thanks for
the help - which is tough to find sometimes on USENET.

Cheers!

In article <FVgWj.7273$Xv3.7026@bignews4.bellsouth . net >,
"CounterTrey" <Hail2007@nospam . net > wrote:

> I looked into Weber and their 8A125T Vintage series 8" probably will work
> since it's a direct replacement for the current Jensen P8R (updated
> replacement for the old P8T). I'll check into the 8S as well. Anyway, I'll
> have to call and speak to Ted and get his take on it....Again, thanks for
> the help - which is tough to find sometimes on USENET.

The Weber 8A125 is lots deeper than what came originally with your amp.
Ted says that it won't fit in Tweed or early BF Champs. I know the
Princeton has a bigger cabinet than the Champ, but the picture in the
Fender Field Guide (w w w .ampwares . com /ffg) shows the magnet of the
speaker coming very close to the output tube.

Send an email to Ted, he'll probably know.

--Mike

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Thanks for all the help guys, I really appreciate the feedback. I'll do
some addtional due dilligence, and will compare mfg. plus alnico verses
ceramic options ...just glad this little guy isn't my only amp!

Cheers!


"CounterTrey" <Hail2007@nospam . net > wrote in message
news:%9ZVj.64194$%15.46072@bignews7.bellsouth . net ...
>I have a vintage 1960 Fender Princeton 5F2-A that doesn't have a speaker,
>so I'll need one..I'll probably go with a Jensen P8R as a replacment to the
>once stock (I'm guessing) Jensen P8T. My question, if anyone can advise
>is, will I need a 4 ohm or 8 ohm speaker for this really cool, near mint
>old amp?
>
> Specs:
>
> 4-1/2 Watts
> 12AX7 Preamp
> 6V6GT Single ended power
> 5Y3GT Rectifier
>
> I've googled the hell out of this without success. Any suggestions would
> be appreciated.
>
>
>
>