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Reply from: Keep Believing In Lies
Date: 14 May, 02:23
World Carbon Dioxide Levels Highest for 650,000 Years, Says US Report
By David Adam
The Guardian UK

Tuesday 13 May 2008

Rise in chief greenhouse gas worse than feared. Earth may be
losing ability to absorb CO2, say scientists.

The concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has reached
a record high, according to the latest figures, renewing fears that
climate change could begin to slide out of control.

Scientists at the Mauna Loa observatory in Hawaii say that CO2
levels in the atmosphere now stand at 387 parts per million (ppm), up
almost 40% since the industrial revolution and the highest for at
least the last 650,000 years.

The figures, published by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration on its website, also confirm that carbon dioxide, the
chief greenhouse gas, is accumulating in the atmosphere faster than
expected. The annual mean growth rate for 2007 was 2.14ppm - the
fourth year in the last six to see an annual rise greater than 2ppm.
From 1970 to 2000, the concentration rose by about 1.5ppm each year,
but since 2000 the annual rise has leapt to an average 2.1ppm.

Scientists say the shift could indicate that the Earth is losing
its natural ability to soak up billions of tonnes of CO2 each year.
Climate models assume that about half our future emissions will be
reabsorbed by forests and oceans, but the new figures confirm this may
be too optimistic. If more of our carbon pollution stays in the
atmosphere, it means emissions will have to be cut by more than is
currently projected to prevent dangerous levels of global warming.

Martin Parry, co-chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change's working group on impacts, said: "Despite all the talk, the
situation is getting worse. Levels of greenhouse gases continue to
rise in the atmosphere and the rate of that rise is accelerating. We
are already seeing the impacts of climate change and the scale of
those impacts will also accelerate, until we decide to do something
about it."

Perched some 11,000ft up a volcano, the Mauna Loa observatory has
been measuring carbon dioxide in the atmosphere since 1958. It is
regarded as producing among the most reliable data sets because of its
remote location, far from any possible source of the gas that could
confuse the sensors.

Over the decades, the Mauna Loa readings, made famous in Al Gore's
documentary An Inconvenient Truth, show the CO2 level rising and
falling each year as foliage across the northern hemisphere blooms in
spring and recedes in autumn. But they also show an upward trend as
human emissions pour into the atmosphere, and each spring, the total
CO2 level creeps above the previous year's high to set a new record.

Robin Oakley, head of Greenpeace's climate change campaign, said:
"We're now witnessing a key moment in the climate change story, and
it's not good news. The last time the atmosphere was this choked with
CO2 humans were yet to evolve as a species. To even consider building
new runways and coal-fired power stations at this juncture in history
is an unpardonable folly, but Gordon Brown seems determined to stumble
forward regardless with his ill-conceived plans in the face of the
science and widespread public opposition."

A study last year suggested that the recent surge in atmospheric
CO2 levels was down to three processes: growth in the world economy,
heavy use of coal in China, and a weakening of natural "sinks",
forests, seas and soils that absorb carbon. The scientists said the
increase was 35% larger than they expected.

They said about half of the carbon surge was down to the Chinese
reliance on coal, which has forced up the carbon intensity of the
overall world economy since 2000, reversing a trend of increasing
energy efficiency since the 1970s.

Reply from: J.P.
Date: 14 May, 05:27
> REBATE08COn Tue, 13 May 2008 17:23:01 -0700 (PDT), Keep Believing In Lies <lordkoos@hotmail.com> wrote:

>World Carbon Dioxide Levels Highest for 650,000 Years, Says US Report
> By David Adam The Guardian UK
EVERY TIME I read some horseshit such as this I know it is total crap!
Anyone see why? These stupid mutherfuckers haven't lived long enough
to do research on nearly 3/4 of a million years of ANY FUCKING THING!
The end. Next thing you know some ignorant cocksucker will be on PBS
trying to sell the flowers made dinosaurs line of crap.And the carbon
dating thing goes outta whack after a few thousand years also.
Millions of years my ass! Mulay shit!

Reply from: Stephen Cowell
Date: 14 May, 06:09

"J.P." <jpasano@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> REBATE08COn Tue, 13 May 2008 17:23:01 -0700 (PDT), Keep Believing In Lies
>> <lordkoos@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>World Carbon Dioxide Levels Highest for 650,000 Years, Says US Report
>> By David Adam The Guardian UK
> EVERY TIME I read some horseshit such as this I know it is total crap!
> Anyone see why? These stupid mutherfuckers haven't lived long enough
> to do research on nearly 3/4 of a million years of ANY FUCKING THING!
> The end. Next thing you know some ignorant

... yes, ignorant being the operative term here. Don't
believe in dinosaurs? You Just Might Be One!
__
Steve
.



Reply from: J.P.
Date: 14 May, 17:36
On Tue, 13 May 2008 23:09:15 -0500, "Stephen Cowell"
<scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
>"J.P." <jpasano@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:gnmk24l2r140bvh9dsgqtfvlj1gkr5735e@4ax.com...
>>> REBATE08COn Tue, 13 May 2008 17:23:01 -0700 (PDT), Keep Believing In Lies
>>> <lordkoos@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>World Carbon Dioxide Levels Highest for 650,000 Years, Says US Report
>>> By David Adam The Guardian UK
>> EVERY TIME I read some horseshit such as this I know it is total crap!
>> Anyone see why? These stupid mutherfuckers haven't lived long enough
>> to do research on nearly 3/4 of a million years of ANY FUCKING THING!
>> The end. Next thing you know some ignorant
>
>... yes, ignorant being the operative term here. Don't
>believe in dinosaurs? You Just Might Be One!
>__
>Steve
>.
>
I don't believe flowers created dinos..like the fruitcake on PBS
concluded live on tv one Sat morning...there is evidence of dinos
exsisting..but the zillions years ago stuff is fucking bogus as a
Mulay recording...

Reply from: Stephen Cowell
Date: 15 May, 02:58

"J.P." <jpasano@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rk1m24l7bcf26luvg7p4kt279umqt8adsp@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 13 May 2008 23:09:15 -0500, "Stephen Cowell"
> <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"J.P." <jpasano@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:gnmk24l2r140bvh9dsgqtfvlj1gkr5735e@4ax.com...
>>>> REBATE08COn Tue, 13 May 2008 17:23:01 -0700 (PDT), Keep Believing In
>>>> Lies
>>>> <lordkoos@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>World Carbon Dioxide Levels Highest for 650,000 Years, Says US Report
>>>> By David Adam The Guardian UK
>>> EVERY TIME I read some horseshit such as this I know it is total crap!
>>> Anyone see why? These stupid mutherfuckers haven't lived long enough
>>> to do research on nearly 3/4 of a million years of ANY FUCKING THING!
>>> The end. Next thing you know some ignorant
>>
>>... yes, ignorant being the operative term here. Don't
>>believe in dinosaurs? You Just Might Be One!
>>
> I don't believe flowers created dinos..like the fruitcake on PBS
> concluded live on tv one Sat morning...there is evidence of dinos
> exsisting..but the zillions years ago stuff is fucking bogus as a
> Mulay recording...

Well, then... your above assertion

"These stupid mutherfuckers haven't lived long enough
to do research on nearly 3/4 of a million years of ANY FUCKING THING!"

was, to put it (comparatively) mildly, full of shit, wasn't it?
By about four orders of magnitude, looking back to the
Big Bang.

They've extracted TRex proteins... turns out they taste (and
look) like chicken. We share a significant percentage of DNA
with plants... how did that happen? Guy in sky?

Ice cores in both Greenland and Antarctica support the
consensus on CO2 accumulation... wishing won't make it
go away... passing the buck to our descendants won't
help either. Either you get Science, or you don't.
__
Steve
.



Reply from: J.P.
Date: 15 May, 04:36
On Wed, 14 May 2008 19:58:12 -0500, "Stephen Cowell"
<scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
>"J.P." <jpasano@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:rk1m24l7bcf26luvg7p4kt279umqt8adsp@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 23:09:15 -0500, "Stephen Cowell"
>> <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"J.P." <jpasano@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:gnmk24l2r140bvh9dsgqtfvlj1gkr5735e@4ax.com...
>>>>> REBATE08COn Tue, 13 May 2008 17:23:01 -0700 (PDT), Keep Believing In
>>>>> Lies
>>>>> <lordkoos@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>World Carbon Dioxide Levels Highest for 650,000 Years, Says US Report
>>>>> By David Adam The Guardian UK
>>>> EVERY TIME I read some horseshit such as this I know it is total crap!
>>>> Anyone see why? These stupid mutherfuckers haven't lived long enough
>>>> to do research on nearly 3/4 of a million years of ANY FUCKING THING!
>>>> The end. Next thing you know some ignorant
>>>
>>>... yes, ignorant being the operative term here. Don't
>>>believe in dinosaurs? You Just Might Be One!
>>>
>> I don't believe flowers created dinos..like the fruitcake on PBS
>> concluded live on tv one Sat morning...there is evidence of dinos
>> exsisting..but the zillions years ago stuff is fucking bogus as a
>> Mulay recording...
>
>Well, then... your above assertion
>
>"These stupid mutherfuckers haven't lived long enough
>to do research on nearly 3/4 of a million years of ANY FUCKING THING!"
>
>was, to put it (comparatively) mildly, full of shit, wasn't it?
>By about four orders of magnitude, looking back to the
>Big Bang.
>
>They've extracted TRex proteins... turns out they taste (and
>look) like chicken. We share a significant percentage of DNA
>with plants... how did that happen? Guy in sky?
>
>Ice cores in both Greenland and Antarctica support the
>consensus on CO2 accumulation... wishing won't make it
>go away... passing the buck to our descendants won't
>help either. Either you get Science, or you don't.
>__
>Steve
>.
>
I'm not arguing that dinos taste like chicken. I am arguing with the
time line because they (who ever the fuck they is) nor science can
prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt...just because carbon dating is
accurate for a 100 years does not make it accurate for a million
years. And even if it was how could they prove it? It is easy to just
say some shit. There is always a dumbass that will believe it. Wonder
if Eve tasted like chicken?

Reply from: Stephen Cowell
Date: 15 May, 06:53

"J.P." <jpasano@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e78n2454akk6tgau2oq58c8pf4nbimf8t7@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 19:58:12 -0500, "Stephen Cowell"
> <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

...

>>Ice cores in both Greenland and Antarctica support the
>>consensus on CO2 accumulation... wishing won't make it
>>go away... passing the buck to our descendants won't
>>help either. Either you get Science, or you don't.
>
> I'm not arguing that dinos taste like chicken. I am arguing with the
> time line because they (who ever the fuck they is) nor science can
> prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt...

See? Some get Science, some don't... and buddy, here's
a clue... there ain't *nothin'* beyond a shadow of a doubt
in this world, you can't even believe your own eyes and
ears sometimes. Quantum Physics has to allow for the
very, very slight probability that when you drop that
apple it just might go up. Hell, even Math's been broke
since Gödel. There Is No Certainty.
__
Steve
.



Reply from: J.P.
Date: 15 May, 18:30
On Wed, 14 May 2008 23:53:51 -0500, "Stephen Cowell"
<scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
>"J.P." <jpasano@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:e78n2454akk6tgau2oq58c8pf4nbimf8t7@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 19:58:12 -0500, "Stephen Cowell"
>> <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>...
>
>>>Ice cores in both Greenland and Antarctica support the
>>>consensus on CO2 accumulation... wishing won't make it
>>>go away... passing the buck to our descendants won't
>>>help either. Either you get Science, or you don't.
>>
>> I'm not arguing that dinos taste like chicken. I am arguing with the
>> time line because they (who ever the fuck they is) nor science can
>> prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt...
>
>See? Some get Science, some don't... and buddy, here's
>a clue... there ain't *nothin'* beyond a shadow of a doubt
>in this world, you can't even believe your own eyes and
>ears sometimes. Quantum Physics has to allow for the
>very, very slight probability that when you drop that
>apple it just might go up. Hell, even Math's been broke
>since Gödel. There Is No Certainty.
>__
>Steve
>.
>
Exactly, so for every hypothesis, there is another opposite
hypothesis. So selling something a proven is selling wolf
tickets..just like Mulay's music...
"They are of their father the devil and of his will they will do"
Jesus

Reply from: Stephen Cowell
Date: 16 May, 04:22

"J.P." <jpasano@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:85po24lqlgo68fpo03t98mksa0mllinp86@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 23:53:51 -0500, "Stephen Cowell"
> <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
...
>>See? Some get Science, some don't... and buddy, here's
>>a clue... there ain't *nothin'* beyond a shadow of a doubt
>>in this world, you can't even believe your own eyes and
>>ears sometimes. Quantum Physics has to allow for the
>>very, very slight probability that when you drop that
>>apple it just might go up. Hell, even Math's been broke
>>since Gödel. There Is No Certainty.
>>
> Exactly, so for every hypothesis, there is another opposite
> hypothesis.

Really? And all valid? How do you choose?

> So selling something a proven is selling wolf
> tickets..

Not familiar with the term... wolf tickets, is that
like duck biscuits? Ah, no... it's verbal aggression.
Not sure how that applies to atmospheric science,
unless it's the hot air component.
__
Steve
.



Reply from: J.P.
Date: 16 May, 05:38
On Thu, 15 May 2008 21:22:55 -0500, "Stephen Cowell"
<scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
>"J.P." <jpasano@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:85po24lqlgo68fpo03t98mksa0mllinp86@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 23:53:51 -0500, "Stephen Cowell"
>> <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>...
>>>See? Some get Science, some don't... and buddy, here's
>>>a clue... there ain't *nothin'* beyond a shadow of a doubt
>>>in this world, you can't even believe your own eyes and
>>>ears sometimes. Quantum Physics has to allow for the
>>>very, very slight probability that when you drop that
>>>apple it just might go up. Hell, even Math's been broke
>>>since Gödel. There Is No Certainty.
>>>
>> Exactly, so for every hypothesis, there is another opposite
>> hypothesis.
>
>Really? And all valid? How do you choose?
>
>> So selling something a proven is selling wolf
>> tickets..
>
>Not familiar with the term... wolf tickets, is that
>like duck biscuits? Ah, no... it's verbal aggression.
>Not sure how that applies to atmospheric science,
>unless it's the hot air component.
>__
>Steve
>.
>
Mulay sells them when he lists another song that he has
stolen..psst..wanna buy a Rolex?$20

Reply from: RichL
Date: 15 May, 05:52
Stephen Cowell <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "J.P." <jpasano@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:rk1m24l7bcf26luvg7p4kt279umqt8adsp@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 23:09:15 -0500, "Stephen Cowell"
>> <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "J.P." <jpasano@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gnmk24l2r140bvh9dsgqtfvlj1gkr5735e@4ax.com...
>>>>> REBATE08COn Tue, 13 May 2008 17:23:01 -0700 (PDT), Keep Believing
>>>>> In Lies
>>>>> <lordkoos@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> World Carbon Dioxide Levels Highest for 650,000 Years, Says US
>>>>> Report By David Adam The Guardian UK
>>>> EVERY TIME I read some horseshit such as this I know it is total
>>>> crap! Anyone see why? These stupid mutherfuckers haven't lived
>>>> long enough to do research on nearly 3/4 of a million years of ANY
>>>> FUCKING THING! The end. Next thing you know some ignorant
>>>
>>> ... yes, ignorant being the operative term here. Don't
>>> believe in dinosaurs? You Just Might Be One!
>>>
>> I don't believe flowers created dinos..like the fruitcake on PBS
>> concluded live on tv one Sat morning...there is evidence of dinos
>> exsisting..but the zillions years ago stuff is fucking bogus as a
>> Mulay recording...
>
> Well, then... your above assertion
>
> "These stupid mutherfuckers haven't lived long enough
> to do research on nearly 3/4 of a million years of ANY FUCKING THING!"
>
> was, to put it (comparatively) mildly, full of shit, wasn't it?
> By about four orders of magnitude, looking back to the
> Big Bang.
>
> They've extracted TRex proteins... turns out they taste (and
> look) like chicken. We share a significant percentage of DNA
> with plants... how did that happen? Guy in sky?
>
> Ice cores in both Greenland and Antarctica support the
> consensus on CO2 accumulation... wishing won't make it
> go away... passing the buck to our descendants won't
> help either. Either you get Science, or you don't.
> __
> Steve

Or you choose to close your eyes and put your hands over your ears.
Can the flat earthers be far behind?



Reply from: Stephen Cowell
Date: 15 May, 06:59

"RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:LrOWj.17770$%X1.13174@trnddc08...
> Stephen Cowell <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
...

>> Either you get Science, or you don't.
>
> Or you choose to close your eyes and put your hands over your ears.
> Can the flat earthers be far behind?

He might even believe, if it didn't directly threaten
his pocketbook... that's where the 'buck' stops
for most disbelievers. "Hey, there hasn't been
significant warming since 1998!"... like it would
be a linear graph.
__
Steve
.



Reply from: J.P.
Date: 15 May, 18:13
On Wed, 14 May 2008 23:59:26 -0500, "Stephen Cowell"
<scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
>"RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:LrOWj.17770$%X1.13174@trnddc08...
>> Stephen Cowell <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>...
>
>>> Either you get Science, or you don't.
>>
>> Or you choose to close your eyes and put your hands over your ears.
>> Can the flat earthers be far behind?
>
>He might even believe, if it didn't directly threaten
>his pocketbook... that's where the 'buck' stops
>for most disbelievers. "Hey, there hasn't been
>significant warming since 1998!"... like it would
>be a linear graph.
>__
>Steve
>.
>
Not so!...I have no fucking money nor corporate investments except the
same electronic parts you use and even likely way less of those. I
think I am doing the opposite actually. I am buying up old amps and
renewing them and using all the original parts I can. That was I can
almost break even and put an old amp back on someone's stage or
bedroom. Hell, I am even saving the old caps so later I can set up a
test rig to check them for leakage and value. I will reuse the ones
that make it.. .And buying an old tube correspondence course and a
half dozen used Ko'C books to try and get more effecient at this
trade. So far, I have put a Gibson and 3 or 4 Fenders back in the
market and at least two of those are being used on stage. I will be
repairing or rebuilding a few ss amps and putting them back out also.
Either as an ss or a tube amp. The working parts will go back on Ebay
so someone can use them to fix their amp also...that's green isn't it?

Reply from: Stephen Cowell
Date: 16 May, 04:26

"J.P." <jpasano@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rbno24p30nrqvaal2t9ipd02ct2ddhfvho@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 23:59:26 -0500, "Stephen Cowell"
> <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:LrOWj.17770$%X1.13174@trnddc08...
>>> Stephen Cowell <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>...
>>
>>>> Either you get Science, or you don't.
>>>
>>> Or you choose to close your eyes and put your hands over your ears.
>>> Can the flat earthers be far behind?
>>
>>He might even believe, if it didn't directly threaten
>>his pocketbook... that's where the 'buck' stops
>>for most disbelievers. "Hey, there hasn't been
>>significant warming since 1998!"... like it would
>>be a linear graph.
>>__
>>Steve
>>.
>>
> Not so!...I have no fucking money nor corporate investments except the
> same electronic parts you use and even likely way less of those. I
> think I am doing the opposite actually. I am buying up old amps and
> renewing them and using all the original parts I can. That was I can
> almost break even and put an old amp back on someone's stage or
> bedroom. Hell, I am even saving the old caps so later I can set up a
> test rig to check them for leakage and value. I will reuse the ones
> that make it.. .And buying an old tube correspondence course and a
> half dozen used Ko'C books to try and get more effecient at this
> trade. So far, I have put a Gibson and 3 or 4 Fenders back in the
> market and at least two of those are being used on stage. I will be
> repairing or rebuilding a few ss amps and putting them back out also.
> Either as an ss or a tube amp. The working parts will go back on Ebay
> so someone can use them to fix their amp also...that's green isn't it?

Yes, admirable... so why the disdain for climatology? Most
climatologists agree... we are warming the Earth with our
CO2. Their evidence is pretty convincing, on all fronts.
Your (vehement!) denial of the evidence sounded like you
have a dog in this hunt... forgive me if I was mistaken.
__
Steve
.



Reply from: J.P.
Date: 16 May, 05:41
On Thu, 15 May 2008 21:26:32 -0500, "Stephen Cowell"
<scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
>"J.P." <jpasano@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:rbno24p30nrqvaal2t9ipd02ct2ddhfvho@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 23:59:26 -0500, "Stephen Cowell"
>> <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:LrOWj.17770$%X1.13174@trnddc08...
>>>> Stephen Cowell <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>...
>>>
>>>>> Either you get Science, or you don't.
>>>>
>>>> Or you choose to close your eyes and put your hands over your ears.
>>>> Can the flat earthers be far behind?
>>>
>>>He might even believe, if it didn't directly threaten
>>>his pocketbook... that's where the 'buck' stops
>>>for most disbelievers. "Hey, there hasn't been
>>>significant warming since 1998!"... like it would
>>>be a linear graph.
>>>__
>>>Steve
>>>.
>>>
>> Not so!...I have no fucking money nor corporate investments except the
>> same electronic parts you use and even likely way less of those. I
>> think I am doing the opposite actually. I am buying up old amps and
>> renewing them and using all the original parts I can. That was I can
>> almost break even and put an old amp back on someone's stage or
>> bedroom. Hell, I am even saving the old caps so later I can set up a
>> test rig to check them for leakage and value. I will reuse the ones
>> that make it.. .And buying an old tube correspondence course and a
>> half dozen used Ko'C books to try and get more effecient at this
>> trade. So far, I have put a Gibson and 3 or 4 Fenders back in the
>> market and at least two of those are being used on stage. I will be
>> repairing or rebuilding a few ss amps and putting them back out also.
>> Either as an ss or a tube amp. The working parts will go back on Ebay
>> so someone can use them to fix their amp also...that's green isn't it?
>
>Yes, admirable... so why the disdain for climatology? Most
>climatologists agree... we are warming the Earth with our
>CO2. Their evidence is pretty convincing, on all fronts.
>Your (vehement!) denial of the evidence sounded like you
>have a dog in this hunt... forgive me if I was mistaken.
>__
>Steve
>.
>
I do not believe the time lines they try to sell us..millions or years
ago.BS.I don't even know if the earth was here a million years
ago..and they cannot prove it so...that's the problem...I think corps
should have never done anything that hurts the enviroment in the first
place. The dumbass era is passed....


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