Randall schematics wanted

Randall schematics wanted

Hoi there,
I have a Randall RB-120 in repair.
Fairly damaged due to the long long being stowed away on an attic.
I tried Randall but they no longer have a schematic for this particular
model.
To the older guys; do you have, somewhere between the stuff of 1970-80,
a schematic for this amp?
Also it came with a cabinet, model RB 212W.
Any info on that one?
The owner wants to know if it's worth the money to have it back in
performing state and what is it worth in the second hand market?
Thanks,

Zilog

Re: Randall schematics wanted

Google is your friend:

http :// www .musicparts,com /products.asp?Company=Randall




"VMI" <VMI@Advalvas.be> wrote in message
news:482c764c$0$2952$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
> Hoi there,
> I have a Randall RB-120 in repair.
> Fairly damaged due to the long long being stowed away on an attic.
> I tried Randall but they no longer have a schematic for this particular
> model.
> To the older guys; do you have, somewhere between the stuff of 1970-80, a
> schematic for this amp?
> Also it came with a cabinet, model RB 212W.
> Any info on that one?
> The owner wants to know if it's worth the money to have it back in
> performing state and what is it worth in the second hand market?
> Thanks,
>
> Zilog

Re: Randall schematics wanted

Hi Steve,
Yes I found musicparts and will use it as last resource.
I ordered some schematics from them in the past; good and fast service.
Allthough, it makes the final bill a bit more expensive.

Thanks,
zilog

Steve L wrote:
> Google is your friend:
>
> http :// www .musicparts,com /products.asp?Company=Randall
>
>
>
>
> "VMI" <VMI@Advalvas.be> wrote in message
> news:482c764c$0$2952$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
>> Hoi there,
>> I have a Randall RB-120 in repair.
>> Fairly damaged due to the long long being stowed away on an attic.
>> I tried Randall but they no longer have a schematic for this
>> particular model.
>> To the older guys; do you have, somewhere between the stuff of
>> 1970-80, a schematic for this amp?
>> Also it came with a cabinet, model RB 212W.
>> Any info on that one?
>> The owner wants to know if it's worth the money to have it back in
>> performing state and what is it worth in the second hand market?
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Zilog
>

Re: Randall schematics wanted

VMI wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> Yes I found musicparts and will use it as last resource.
> I ordered some schematics from them in the past; good and fast service.
> Allthough, it makes the final bill a bit more expensive.

I didn't know that techs charged their clients if they need to purchase a
schematic. Don't you keep it for your resources?

I'm also in a business that charges by time. But I don't charge when I need
resources that stay in my library. It's a reasonable business expense when I
figure tax deductions.


>
> Thanks,
> zilog
>
> Steve L wrote:
>
>> Google is your friend:
>>
>> http :// www .musicparts,com /products.asp?Company=Randall
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "VMI" <VMI@Advalvas.be> wrote in message
>> news:482c764c$0$2952$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
>>
>>> Hoi there,
>>> I have a Randall RB-120 in repair.
>>> Fairly damaged due to the long long being stowed away on an attic.
>>> I tried Randall but they no longer have a schematic for this
>>> particular model.
>>> To the older guys; do you have, somewhere between the stuff of
>>> 1970-80, a schematic for this amp?
>>> Also it came with a cabinet, model RB 212W.
>>> Any info on that one?
>>> The owner wants to know if it's worth the money to have it back in
>>> performing state and what is it worth in the second hand market?
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Zilog
>>
>>

Re: Randall schematics wanted


Jim wrote:
> VMI wrote:
>> Hi Steve,
>> Yes I found musicparts and will use it as last resource.
>> I ordered some schematics from them in the past; good and fast service.
>> Allthough, it makes the final bill a bit more expensive.
>
> I didn't know that techs charged their clients if they need to purchase
> a schematic. Don't you keep it for your resources?
>
> I'm also in a business that charges by time. But I don't charge when I
> need resources that stay in my library. It's a reasonable business
> expense when I figure tax deductions.
>

Hello Jim,
You have to look at it as the purchase of a component.
What do you charge if you give a copy of a schematic to a friend
technician? Although you probably paid for it in the past or received it
for free. Probably nothing. Worst case the copying cost and stamp, if
it's not an electronic file...

Some companies make their living in copying service manuals, schematics,
user manuals and offer them for sale.
Is this not similar as charging the end user for a service manual?
Except that these companies do it again and again and again.

Schematics (equipment no longer in production) should be made public.
They are used to help people get their stuff back in working order.
Of course, we as technicians, charge for the components used and the
work that has to be done.

There has been many postings on this subject and the camps are still
divided.

If I have to pay for components that are needed to finish a repair, the
customer has to pay for it.
If I get it for free, the customer gets it for free to.
Labor is charged separate from parts. That stays the same.

I worked once in a Telecom multinational.
I produced the installation mauals, repair manuals and test forms.
The client had to pay each time for all the work involved.
Even if it only had to be copied...
That's the way they work.


>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> zilog
>>
>> Steve L wrote:
>>
>>> Google is your friend:
>>>
>>> http :// www .musicparts,com /products.asp?Company=Randall
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "VMI" <VMI@Advalvas.be> wrote in message
>>> news:482c764c$0$2952$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
>>>
>>>> Hoi there,
>>>> I have a Randall RB-120 in repair.
>>>> Fairly damaged due to the long long being stowed away on an attic.
>>>> I tried Randall but they no longer have a schematic for this
>>>> particular model.
>>>> To the older guys; do you have, somewhere between the stuff of
>>>> 1970-80, a schematic for this amp?
>>>> Also it came with a cabinet, model RB 212W.
>>>> Any info on that one?
>>>> The owner wants to know if it's worth the money to have it back in
>>>> performing state and what is it worth in the second hand market?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Zilog
>>>
>>>

Re: Randall schematics wanted


>You have to look at it as the purchase of a component.

>What do you charge if you give a copy of a schematic to a friend
>technician? Although you probably paid for it in the past or received it
>for free. Probably nothing. Worst case the copying cost and stamp, if
>it's not an electronic file...

Esp if it's an old model that even the company has no or wants no
connection. I repair GMT amps now and then, but GK has no info on
these items, and wants nothing to do with them. There are places
you can buy said schematics, and if ya want them bad enough, they
become like any part needed to fix the amp. Like Rich K said, you
can also pencil trace the design and fix maybe 80% of problems, if
you can't, then maybe you should find another line of work. I'm
not knocking the person who asked, but the biz in general. I stopped
giving away free schematics to alot of folks, because what they asked
for was available online, or by request to the company, and there was
seldom a 'thank you' or a return favor. The pro repair guys know how
to interact, and work together. AGAIN, I'm not knocking the poster.

But some unknown guy contacts me asking for a Peavey schematic is too
green to understand that the company will send you it when you ask.

Like many here, we got our info from the school of hard work, contacting
the companies, dealing with it way before there even was an 'Internet'.

Today, so much info is available, that it looks like some are just lazy.

>Some companies make their living in copying service manuals, schematics,
>user manuals and offer them for sale.

Thank God for them, because so much has been lost over the years.

I have no problem paying for something I don't have in my 16+ gig
collection of amp info if I need it. Like the race car drivers
say..speed cost money..how fast do you want to go..?

>Is this not similar as charging the end user for a service manual?
>Except that these companies do it again and again and again.

'end user' is one thing. Repair guy is another. Peavey will send
you any paper you need once you give a serial number. I've seen
their records BUILDING..every PV item ever made has all the paper
available. And they are very free with it. Other companies should
follow suit. PV has the best tech support in the biz, and bends
over backwards to fix the CONSUMER's product. And help tech's too.

>Schematics (equipment no longer in production) should be made public.

Why? Sure, they should support them, but why public? THEY designed
it, they built it, they sold it, and (with luck) supported it over
the life of the product. Besides, with the Net and even Darr's and
the other books, it's out there. It's not like you can't find at
least 90% of what's out there 'out of production' if you look hard.

>They are used to help people get their stuff back in working order.

The good companies still do.

>Of course, we as technicians, charge for the components used and the
>work that has to be done.

I once had a customer complain that I charged chump change, worked
to get it back to them in 8 hours for a gig, and told me I should
not charge them the $40 total bill, but "..do it for rock n roll.."

After I stopped laughing at him, he paid the bill..after I added
the standard "AHMT" of 10%. (Asshole Musician Tax). Later in life,
we both laughed about it, and he told me it was a wake up call for him.

>There has been many postings on this subject and the camps are still
>divided.

Learn, or be sold to..

>If I have to pay for components that are needed to finish a repair, the
>customer has to pay for it.

Have you car repaired, and ask the shop to not charge you for parts...

>If I get it for free, the customer gets it for free to.
>Labor is charged separate from parts. That stays the same.

I wouldn't charge for a schematic if I have it on file, but if they need
a resistor or cap etc, that I have in stock, maybe got for free, they DO
pay the normal price for it. It's only fair. Smart customers understand.

>I worked once in a Telecom multinational.
>I produced the installation mauals, repair manuals and test forms.
>The client had to pay each time for all the work involved.
>Even if it only had to be copied...
>That's the way they work.

Price of doing business. All the smart boys, they know why.

JJTj







---------------------------------------------------
Nature's way is to take away from
those who have too much and give
it to those that have too little.

Man's way, on the contrary, is to
take away from those who have too
little to give more to those who
already have too much..

Lao Tsu, circa 490BC
---------------------------------------------------

Re: Randall schematics wanted

On Fri, 16 May 2008 08:47:29 -0400, It's that guy again <BITE ME.con@>
wrote:

>
>>You have to look at it as the purchase of a component.
>
>>What do you charge if you give a copy of a schematic to a friend
>>technician? Although you probably paid for it in the past or received it
>>for free. Probably nothing. Worst case the copying cost and stamp, if
>>it's not an electronic file...
>
>Esp if it's an old model that even the company has no or wants no
>connection. I repair GMT amps now and then, but GK has no info on
>these items, and wants nothing to do with them. There are places
>you can buy said schematics, and if ya want them bad enough, they
>become like any part needed to fix the amp. Like Rich K said, you
>can also pencil trace the design and fix maybe 80% of problems, if
>you can't, then maybe you should find another line of work. I'm
>not knocking the person who asked, but the biz in general. I stopped
>giving away free schematics to alot of folks, because what they asked
>for was available online, or by request to the company, and there was
>seldom a 'thank you' or a return favor. The pro repair guys know how
>to interact, and work together. AGAIN, I'm not knocking the poster.
>
>But some unknown guy contacts me asking for a Peavey schematic is too
>green to understand that the company will send you it when you ask.
>
>Like many here, we got our info from the school of hard work, contacting
>the companies, dealing with it way before there even was an 'Internet'.
>
>Today, so much info is available, that it looks like some are just lazy.
>
>>Some companies make their living in copying service manuals, schematics,
>>user manuals and offer them for sale.
>
>Thank God for them, because so much has been lost over the years.
>
>I have no problem paying for something I don't have in my 16+ gig
>collection of amp info if I need it. Like the race car drivers
>say..speed cost money..how fast do you want to go..?
>
>>Is this not similar as charging the end user for a service manual?
>>Except that these companies do it again and again and again.
>
>'end user' is one thing. Repair guy is another. Peavey will send
>you any paper you need once you give a serial number. I've seen
>their records BUILDING..every PV item ever made has all the paper
>available. And they are very free with it. Other companies should
>follow suit. PV has the best tech support in the biz, and bends
>over backwards to fix the CONSUMER's product. And help tech's too.
>
>>Schematics (equipment no longer in production) should be made public.
>
>Why? Sure, they should support them, but why public? THEY designed
>it, they built it, they sold it, and (with luck) supported it over
>the life of the product. Besides, with the Net and even Darr's and
>the other books, it's out there. It's not like you can't find at
>least 90% of what's out there 'out of production' if you look hard.
>
>>They are used to help people get their stuff back in working order.
>
>The good companies still do.
>
>>Of course, we as technicians, charge for the components used and the
>>work that has to be done.
>
>I once had a customer complain that I charged chump change, worked
>to get it back to them in 8 hours for a gig, and told me I should
>not charge them the $40 total bill, but "..do it for rock n roll.."
>
>After I stopped laughing at him, he paid the bill..after I added
>the standard "AHMT" of 10%. (Asshole Musician Tax). Later in life,
>we both laughed about it, and he told me it was a wake up call for him.
>
>>There has been many postings on this subject and the camps are still
>>divided.
>
>Learn, or be sold to..
>
>>If I have to pay for components that are needed to finish a repair, the
>>customer has to pay for it.
>
>Have you car repaired, and ask the shop to not charge you for parts...
>
>>If I get it for free, the customer gets it for free to.
>>Labor is charged separate from parts. That stays the same.
>
>I wouldn't charge for a schematic if I have it on file, but if they need
>a resistor or cap etc, that I have in stock, maybe got for free, they DO
>pay the normal price for it. It's only fair. Smart customers understand.
>
>>I worked once in a Telecom multinational.
>>I produced the installation mauals, repair manuals and test forms.
>>The client had to pay each time for all the work involved.
>>Even if it only had to be copied...
>>That's the way they work.
>
>Price of doing business. All the smart boys, they know why.
>
>JJTj
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>---------------------------------------------------
>Nature's way is to take away from
>those who have too much and give
>it to those that have too little.
>
>Man's way, on the contrary, is to
>take away from those who have too
>little to give more to those who
>already have too much..
>
> Lao Tsu, circa 490BC
>---------------------------------------------------
Maybe you could add a copy of those schematics on DVD in the back of
your book to AGA folks or just sell a DVD. I really like to have that
stuff around even if all I use it for is looking up amps people are
talking about repairing or modding online. But I cannot pay to much
for it...