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OT - "...the Republicans are falling apart" - Peggy Noonan

Reply from: Mr Soul
Date: 16 May 2008, 14:07
OT - "...the Republicans are falling apart" - Peggy Noonan

http :// online.wsj,com /article/declarations.html

The Democrats aren't the ones falling apart, the Republicans are. The
Democrats can see daylight ahead. For all their fractious fighting,
they're finally resolving their central drama. Hillary Clinton will
leave, and Barack Obama will deliver a stirring acceptance speech.
Then hand-to-hand in the general, where they see their guy triumphing.
You see it when you talk to them: They're busy being born.

The Republicans? Busy dying. The brightest of them see no immediate
light. They're frozen, not like a deer in the headlights but a deer in
the darkness, his ears stiff at the sound. Crunch. Twig. Hunting
party.

The headline Wednesday on Drudge, from Politico, said, "Republicans
Stunned by Loss in Mississippi." It was about the eight-point drubbing
the Democrat gave the Republican in the special House election. My
first thought was: You have to be stupid to be stunned by that. Second
thought: Most party leaders in Washington are stupid – detached,
played out, stuck in the wisdom they learned when they were coming up,
in '78 or '82 or '94. Whatever they learned then, they think pertains
now. In politics especially, the first lesson sticks. For Richard
Nixon, everything came back to Alger Hiss.

They are also – Hill leaders, lobbyists, party speakers – successful,
well-connected, busy and rich. They never guessed, back in '86, how
government would pay off! They didn't know they'd stay! They came to
make a difference and wound up with their butts in the butter. But
affluence detaches, and in time skews thinking. It gives you the
illusion you're safe, and that everyone else is. A party can lose its
gut this way.

Many are ambivalent, deep inside, about the decisions made the past
seven years in the White House. But they've publicly supported it so
long they think they . . . support it. They get confused. Late at
night they toss and turn in the antique mahogany sleigh bed in the
carpeted house in McLean and try to remember what it is they really do
think, and what those thoughts imply.

And those are the bright ones. The rest are in Perpetual 1980: We have
the country, the troops will rally in the fall.

"This was a real wakeup call for us," someone named Robert M. Duncan,
who is chairman of the Republican National Committee, told the New
York Times. This was after Mississippi. "We can't let the Democrats
take our issues." And those issues would be? "We can't let them
pretend to be conservatives," he continued. Why not? Republicans
pretend to be conservative every day.

The Bush White House, faced with the series of losses from 2005
through '08, has long claimed the problem is Republicans on the Hill
and running for office. They have scandals, bad personalities, don't
stand for anything. That's why Republicans are losing: because they're
losers.

..."

Mr Soul

Reply from: Positronic Peace Beam
Date: 16 May 2008, 16:29
Re: OT - "...the Republicans are falling apart" - Peggy Noonan

Mr Soul wrote:
> http :// online.wsj,com /article/declarations.html
>
> The Democrats aren't the ones falling apart, the Republicans are. The
> Democrats can see daylight ahead. For all their fractious fighting,
> they're finally resolving their central drama. Hillary Clinton will
> leave, and Barack Obama will deliver a stirring acceptance speech.
> Then hand-to-hand in the general, where they see their guy triumphing.
> You see it when you talk to them: They're busy being born.
>
> The Republicans? Busy dying. The brightest of them see no immediate
> light. They're frozen, not like a deer in the headlights but a deer in
> the darkness, his ears stiff at the sound. Crunch. Twig. Hunting
> party.
>
> The headline Wednesday on Drudge, from Politico, said, "Republicans
> Stunned by Loss in Mississippi." It was about the eight-point drubbing
> the Democrat gave the Republican in the special House election. My
> first thought was: You have to be stupid to be stunned by that. Second
> thought: Most party leaders in Washington are stupid – detached,
> played out, stuck in the wisdom they learned when they were coming up,
> in '78 or '82 or '94. Whatever they learned then, they think pertains
> now. In politics especially, the first lesson sticks. For Richard
> Nixon, everything came back to Alger Hiss.
>
> They are also – Hill leaders, lobbyists, party speakers – successful,
> well-connected, busy and rich. They never guessed, back in '86, how
> government would pay off! They didn't know they'd stay! They came to
> make a difference and wound up with their butts in the butter. But
> affluence detaches, and in time skews thinking. It gives you the
> illusion you're safe, and that everyone else is. A party can lose its
> gut this way.
>
> Many are ambivalent, deep inside, about the decisions made the past
> seven years in the White House. But they've publicly supported it so
> long they think they . . . support it. They get confused. Late at
> night they toss and turn in the antique mahogany sleigh bed in the
> carpeted house in McLean and try to remember what it is they really do
> think, and what those thoughts imply.
>
> And those are the bright ones. The rest are in Perpetual 1980: We have
> the country, the troops will rally in the fall.
>
> "This was a real wakeup call for us," someone named Robert M. Duncan,
> who is chairman of the Republican National Committee, told the New
> York Times. This was after Mississippi. "We can't let the Democrats
> take our issues." And those issues would be? "We can't let them
> pretend to be conservatives," he continued. Why not? Republicans
> pretend to be conservative every day.
>
> The Bush White House, faced with the series of losses from 2005
> through '08, has long claimed the problem is Republicans on the Hill
> and running for office. They have scandals, bad personalities, don't
> stand for anything. That's why Republicans are losing: because they're
> losers.
>
> ..."
>
> Mr Soul

:-) mvm

The Pendulum.

Reply from: Mike Pritchard
Date: 16 May 2008, 20:18
Re: OT - "...the Republicans are falling apart" - Peggy Noonan



Positronic Peace Beam wrote:

> Mr Soul wrote:
> > http :// online.wsj,com /article/declarations.html
> >
> > The Democrats aren't the ones falling apart, the Republicans are. The
> > Democrats can see daylight ahead. For all their fractious fighting,
> > they're finally resolving their central drama. Hillary Clinton will
> > leave, and Barack Obama will deliver a stirring acceptance speech.
> > Then hand-to-hand in the general, where they see their guy triumphing.
> > You see it when you talk to them: They're busy being born.
> >
> > The Republicans? Busy dying. The brightest of them see no immediate
> > light. They're frozen, not like a deer in the headlights but a deer in
> > the darkness, his ears stiff at the sound. Crunch. Twig. Hunting
> > party.
> >
> > The headline Wednesday on Drudge, from Politico, said, "Republicans
> > Stunned by Loss in Mississippi." It was about the eight-point drubbing
> > the Democrat gave the Republican in the special House election. My
> > first thought was: You have to be stupid to be stunned by that. Second
> > thought: Most party leaders in Washington are stupid – detached,
> > played out, stuck in the wisdom they learned when they were coming up,
> > in '78 or '82 or '94. Whatever they learned then, they think pertains
> > now. In politics especially, the first lesson sticks. For Richard
> > Nixon, everything came back to Alger Hiss.
> >
> > They are also – Hill leaders, lobbyists, party speakers – successful,
> > well-connected, busy and rich. They never guessed, back in '86, how
> > government would pay off! They didn't know they'd stay! They came to
> > make a difference and wound up with their butts in the butter. But
> > affluence detaches, and in time skews thinking. It gives you the
> > illusion you're safe, and that everyone else is. A party can lose its
> > gut this way.
> >
> > Many are ambivalent, deep inside, about the decisions made the past
> > seven years in the White House. But they've publicly supported it so
> > long they think they . . . support it. They get confused. Late at
> > night they toss and turn in the antique mahogany sleigh bed in the
> > carpeted house in McLean and try to remember what it is they really do
> > think, and what those thoughts imply.
> >
> > And those are the bright ones. The rest are in Perpetual 1980: We have
> > the country, the troops will rally in the fall.
> >
> > "This was a real wakeup call for us," someone named Robert M. Duncan,
> > who is chairman of the Republican National Committee, told the New
> > York Times. This was after Mississippi. "We can't let the Democrats
> > take our issues." And those issues would be? "We can't let them
> > pretend to be conservatives," he continued. Why not? Republicans
> > pretend to be conservative every day.
> >
> > The Bush White House, faced with the series of losses from 2005
> > through '08, has long claimed the problem is Republicans on the Hill
> > and running for office. They have scandals, bad personalities, don't
> > stand for anything. That's why Republicans are losing: because they're
> > losers.
> >
> > ..."
> >
> > Mr Soul
>
> :-) mvm
>
> The Pendulum.

True, indeed! Now then....let's see if the dems can take advantage of the
swing and get something *real* accomplished!

Mike


Reply from: Mr Soul
Date: 16 May 2008, 20:24
Re: OT - "...the Republicans are falling apart" - Peggy Noonan

> True, indeed!  Now then....let's see if the dems can take advantage of the
> swing and get something *real* accomplished!
The most important task for a Democratic Pres is to get some more
moderate/liberal justices on the SC. Other than that, I will wager
that the Rep's will prevent the Dem's from doing much.

Mr Soul

Reply from: Positronic Peace Beam
Date: 17 May 2008, 00:01
Re: OT - "...the Republicans are falling apart" - Peggy Noonan

Mr Soul wrote:
>> True, indeed! Now then....let's see if the dems can take advantage of the
>> swing and get something *real* accomplished!
> The most important task for a Democratic Pres is to get some more
> moderate/liberal justices on the SC. Other than that, I will wager
> that the Rep's will prevent the Dem's from doing much.
>
> Mr Soul

Yes.

Reply from: RichL
Date: 17 May 2008, 01:45
Re: OT - "...the Republicans are falling apart" - Peggy Noonan

Mr Soul <pcDAW@comcast,net > wrote:
>> True, indeed! Now then....let's see if the dems can take advantage
>> of the swing and get something *real* accomplished!
> The most important task for a Democratic Pres is to get some more
> moderate/liberal justices on the SC. Other than that, I will wager
> that the Rep's will prevent the Dem's from doing much.
>
> Mr Soul

There will likely be no more than one or two SC appointments in a given
four-year term, and it will take more than that to make a significant
change. But I think there's another important change coming, and that's
making inroads on scrubbing our international reputation. That will
also have some important implications in the foreign-policy arena.

As for domestic issues, that all depends on how big the change is in
Congress. You'll always have some right-leaning Dems and left-leaning
Reps, but it looks like the left-leaning Reps are the ones most likely
to lose in November. So you need a much bigger majority to be able to
do anything significant.



Reply from: Positronic Peace Beam
Date: 17 May 2008, 00:00
Re: OT - "...the Republicans are falling apart" - Peggy Noonan

Mike Pritchard wrote:
>
> Positronic Peace Beam wrote:
>
>> Mr Soul wrote:
>>> http :// online.wsj,com /article/declarations.html
>>>
>>> The Democrats aren't the ones falling apart, the Republicans are. The
>>> Democrats can see daylight ahead. For all their fractious fighting,
>>> they're finally resolving their central drama. Hillary Clinton will
>>> leave, and Barack Obama will deliver a stirring acceptance speech.
>>> Then hand-to-hand in the general, where they see their guy triumphing.
>>> You see it when you talk to them: They're busy being born.
>>>
>>> The Republicans? Busy dying. The brightest of them see no immediate
>>> light. They're frozen, not like a deer in the headlights but a deer in
>>> the darkness, his ears stiff at the sound. Crunch. Twig. Hunting
>>> party.
>>>
>>> The headline Wednesday on Drudge, from Politico, said, "Republicans
>>> Stunned by Loss in Mississippi." It was about the eight-point drubbing
>>> the Democrat gave the Republican in the special House election. My
>>> first thought was: You have to be stupid to be stunned by that. Second
>>> thought: Most party leaders in Washington are stupid – detached,
>>> played out, stuck in the wisdom they learned when they were coming up,
>>> in '78 or '82 or '94. Whatever they learned then, they think pertains
>>> now. In politics especially, the first lesson sticks. For Richard
>>> Nixon, everything came back to Alger Hiss.
>>>
>>> They are also – Hill leaders, lobbyists, party speakers – successful,
>>> well-connected, busy and rich. They never guessed, back in '86, how
>>> government would pay off! They didn't know they'd stay! They came to
>>> make a difference and wound up with their butts in the butter. But
>>> affluence detaches, and in time skews thinking. It gives you the
>>> illusion you're safe, and that everyone else is. A party can lose its
>>> gut this way.
>>>
>>> Many are ambivalent, deep inside, about the decisions made the past
>>> seven years in the White House. But they've publicly supported it so
>>> long they think they . . . support it. They get confused. Late at
>>> night they toss and turn in the antique mahogany sleigh bed in the
>>> carpeted house in McLean and try to remember what it is they really do
>>> think, and what those thoughts imply.
>>>
>>> And those are the bright ones. The rest are in Perpetual 1980: We have
>>> the country, the troops will rally in the fall.
>>>
>>> "This was a real wakeup call for us," someone named Robert M. Duncan,
>>> who is chairman of the Republican National Committee, told the New
>>> York Times. This was after Mississippi. "We can't let the Democrats
>>> take our issues." And those issues would be? "We can't let them
>>> pretend to be conservatives," he continued. Why not? Republicans
>>> pretend to be conservative every day.
>>>
>>> The Bush White House, faced with the series of losses from 2005
>>> through '08, has long claimed the problem is Republicans on the Hill
>>> and running for office. They have scandals, bad personalities, don't
>>> stand for anything. That's why Republicans are losing: because they're
>>> losers.
>>>
>>> ..."
>>>
>>> Mr Soul
>> :-) mvm
>>
>> The Pendulum.
>
> True, indeed! Now then....let's see if the dems can take advantage of the
> swing and get something *real* accomplished!
>
> Mike
>
I'm cautious in that regard Mike.

If they could halt the slime and gross stupidity, it'd be a good
start...anything else would be remarkable. When it comes to human nature
and governance, I've decidedly set my standards low...perhaps so as to
be pleasantly surprised...mvm




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