Tuning Amps

Re: Tuning Amps

Lord Valve wrote:
> bluedevil 1950@yahoo,com wrote:
>
>> On May 4, 2:49 pm, Lord Valve <detri...@ix,net com,com > wrote:
>>> bluedevil 1...@yahoo,com wrote:
>>>> Maybe the group name should be Alt. Guitar.Amp.Sarcasim
>>>> Thanks for the advice.
>>> Sarcasm? Who, me?
>>>
>>> Dude - your amp has knobs on it. You turn them until
>>> it sounds the way you want it to. There are no rules
>>> about where to put them - your ear will supply the
>>> answer. If you spend a couple of months turning them
>>> and you don't hear what you're looking for, then it's
>>> time to try a different amp
>>>
>>> It really is that simple.
>>>
>>> Lord Valve
>>> Founder, HARM (Heavily Armed Rightwing Maniacs)
>> So it's a trial and error thing?
>> I can do that. I'd just like to read the function of each dial.
>> Sometimes a manual makes understanding easier.
>> Like I said, I'm new. Really fuggin' new. One week ago I walked into
>> a music shop and bought the guitar, tuner and amp.
>
> Ow. SUPER noob! I see. ;-)
>
> Well, I'd suggest that you spend nearly all of
> your time working on learning to *play* at this
> point; worry about copping tone later. In fact,
> you might want to invest in an acoustic guitar,
> so your quest for chops (technique) is not
> hindered by the distractions of amplification
> and effects. I've been playing the organ since
> 1962 (probably considerably longer than you've
> been breathing) and I was fortunate enough to
> start out on a fairly bare-bones instrument;
> because of this, technique was far more important
> to me than spinning the Leslie up and down - and
> it still is. Best advice I can give you.
>
> Lord Valve
> Hammond Organist
>
>
>
>
>
He's a complete braggard, liar thorough asshole, coward and a lunatic,
but he just gave you his opinion. As you improve, you'll find that the
tones you utilize to play, enhance your drive to play more and better
in a virtuous spiral. He doesn't play guitar or know the first thing
about them, he's an organ wanker who repairs amps.

Oh, he's also whatever he puts under his blowhard moniker.

Say hello to william whittakre. Good luck.

mvm

http :// tinyurl,com /32j32m

Re: Tuning Amps


"Lord Valve" <detritus@ix,net com,com > wrote
...

> and I was fortunate enough to
> start out on a fairly bare-bones instrument;
> because of this, technique was far more important
> to me than spinning the Leslie up and down

What Leslie? You got no Leslie.
__
Steve
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Re: Tuning Amps

Stephen Cowell wrote:
> "Lord Valve" <detritus@ix,net com,com > wrote
> ...
>
>> and I was fortunate enough to
>> start out on a fairly bare-bones instrument;
>> because of this, technique was far more important
>> to me than spinning the Leslie up and down
>
> What Leslie? You got no Leslie.
>
> Steve
> .
>
>

Rumack: I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.

--
Les Cargill

Re: Tuning Amps

Stephen Cowell wrote:

> "Lord Valve" <detritus@ix,net com,com > wrote
> ...
>
> > and I was fortunate enough to
> > start out on a fairly bare-bones instrument;
> > because of this, technique was far more important
> > to me than spinning the Leslie up and down
>
> What Leslie? You got no Leslie.
> __
> Steve
> .

In fact, I have SEVEN of them.

I *prefer* the sound of the emulation in the XK3-c, though.
For what I do, it's excellent. I've played both of the XKs through
"real" Leslies, and they don't do it for me.

Lord Valve
BaaaaarrrAAAACCCKKK!!! <Safety!>

Re: Tuning Amps


"Lord Valve" <detritus@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
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> Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
>> "Lord Valve" <detritus@ix,net com,com > wrote
>> ...
>>
>> > and I was fortunate enough to
>> > start out on a fairly bare-bones instrument;
>> > because of this, technique was far more important
>> > to me than spinning the Leslie up and down
>>
>> What Leslie? You got no Leslie.
>> __
>> Steve
>> .
>
> In fact, I have SEVEN of them.

Oh, such a waste! To have my own wall of TallBoys, painted
as outhouses (a la ABB), driven by an RT-3... and I can't even
play well!

> I *prefer* the sound of the emulation in the XK3-c, though.
> For what I do, it's excellent. I've played both of the XKs through
> "real" Leslies, and they don't do it for me.

Then I suggest that it's the XK-thing that's holding you back.
You can *smell* the ones I like... there's a L-100 Mediterannean
in Cherry stinking up the next room.
__
Steve
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Re: Tuning Amps

Stephen Cowell wrote:

> "Lord Valve" <detritus@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
> news:481E76DF.C3DE7434@ix,net com,com ...
> > Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> >> "Lord Valve" <detritus@ix,net com,com > wrote
> >> ...
> >>
> >> > and I was fortunate enough to
> >> > start out on a fairly bare-bones instrument;
> >> > because of this, technique was far more important
> >> > to me than spinning the Leslie up and down
> >>
> >> What Leslie? You got no Leslie.
> >> __
> >> Steve
> >> .
> >
> > In fact, I have SEVEN of them.
>
> Oh, such a waste! To have my own wall of TallBoys, painted
> as outhouses (a la ABB), driven by an RT-3... and I can't even
> play well!
>
> > I *prefer* the sound of the emulation in the XK3-c, though.
> > For what I do, it's excellent. I've played both of the XKs through
> > "real" Leslies, and they don't do it for me.
>
> Then I suggest that it's the XK-thing that's holding you back.
> You can *smell* the ones I like... there's a L-100 Mediterannean
> in Cherry stinking up the next room.
> __
> Steve
> .

You misunderstand.

I have four full-sized Hammonds: a 1958 cherrywood B-3
with the high-gloss Urethane finish, a 1972 C-3 (junking
for parts), a 1969 A-100, and a BCV of undetermined
vintage. The 1958 has been played by Jimmy Smith
and Jack MacDuff, as well as Boz Skaggs' organist,
whose name escapes me at the moment. Smith said
it was one of the best B-3s he'd ever played. So - I'm
no stranger to "the real thing." I also have two 122s
I custom tweaked; these are set up with Altec 421-16H
Series Two woofers and Atlas PD60-16 HF drivers.
The HF drivers are powered with the stock 40-W
Leslie amps, while the Altec 15" are driven by a pair
of custom-tweaked Dynaco MK IIIs. Bi-amping is
via an Altec 800 Hz *passive* line-level crossover.
(Try finding one of *those* - I have three. ;-) Those
Leslies can rip any Marshall stack on the planet a
new asshole. I gigged with them for many years.
They spent 90% of their time in brake mode, though.
I like "straight" organ tone. For the amount of time
I need to be in spin mode, a digital emulation is
more than adequate - especially since the emulations
are now *killer*. As far as the XK-3 goes, I flat-ass
guarantee you you won't be able to tell one from
"the real thing" if both are being played behind
a curtain. Listened to any Joey DeFrancesco in
the last two or three years? You've already heard
one, you just didn't know it - he was playing the "new"
digital B-3, which is a set of the same chips as in the
XK series mounted in fancy furniture. (Joey doesn't
play or endorse Hammond any more, as of last month
or so - he bought a large piece of the Diversi company,
and he's playing one of those now. And they're *kickass* -
go to the Diversi site and have an earful.) Truth be told,
if I had to choose between my XK-3 and my 1958 oiler,
It'd be a damn hard choice. I've owned nearly every
Hammond ever built (including a Mediterranean cherry
L-100, which I started out on) and I'll tell you flat out:
the XK is eminently satisfying. It sounds fabulous,
and it *feels* right - light and super-fast. And I'm
completely in love with the fact that I can choose
from among a whole shitload of tone generators -
old, new, noisy, quiet, fluttery, smooth, funky, hot,
laid back (etc.) at will. It's like having a whole
semi full of vintage oilers.

And it weighs 44 pounds - 'nuff said.

If you've spent time on "the real thing," then
you'll know what's up the minute you sit down
at an XK. One of the best things about selling
them is watching the old-time cats get new religion -
their faces light up, they smile, they groove.
They can't fucking believe it. My best friend,
Al "Hammond" Moore (used to be Wes Montgomery's
drummer before he switched to the Hammond)
summed it all up about thirty seconds into his
first run on the (at that time) new XK-3: "God
DAMN, Fatman, this is da SHIT!" Three days
later, his B-3 and 122 (which I had been doing
tweaks and repairs on since 1975) went on
e-bay, and Al came down with the cash for
his new XK. He's never looked back, and
neither will I. I'm through hauling furniture - I
can concentrate on playing now.

Lord Valve
Hammond Organist

Re: Tuning Amps


"Lord Valve" <detritus@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
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> Stephen Cowell wrote:

...

>> Then I suggest that it's the XK-thing that's holding you back.
>> You can *smell* the ones I like... there's a L-100 Mediterannean
>> in Cherry stinking up the next room.

...

> If you've spent time on "the real thing," then
> you'll know what's up the minute you sit down
> at an XK.

Do the keys have multiple contacts? It ain't the same
without that chewy harmonic thing as the leaves make
contact.
__
Steve
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Re: Tuning Amps

Stephen Cowell wrote:

> "Lord Valve" <detritus@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
> news:481F1A7B.28C3E08C@ix,net com,com ...
> > Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> ...
>
> >> Then I suggest that it's the XK-thing that's holding you back.
> >> You can *smell* the ones I like... there's a L-100 Mediterannean
> >> in Cherry stinking up the next room.
>
> ...
>
> > If you've spent time on "the real thing," then
> > you'll know what's up the minute you sit down
> > at an XK.
>
> Do the keys have multiple contacts? It ain't the same
> without that chewy harmonic thing as the leaves make
> contact.
> __
> Steve
> .

The multiple contact system is used in the New B-3, but not in the XK3.

The keyclick generation system in the XK works great, though.
Gets clickier when you pull more drawbars, or pull the existing
ones further out, and there is a whole raft of parameters for
the click. I'd have to read up on exactly how it's generated,
but I never concerned myself with it much - I just tweak it
until I hear what I want on any given patch. Nice to be able
to go from an 80s clean generator with no hum, no motor
noise, no generator hash and no acoustic rumble to a
filthy-sounding 50s generator with all of the above. Put
little or no click on the former, and plenty on the latter.

Organ nerd nirvana. ;-)

Lord Valve
BaaaaarrrrrAAAAACCCCKKKK!!!! <Safety!>

Re: Tuning Amps

Lord Valve wrote:
> Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
>> "Lord Valve" <detritus@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
>> news:481F1A7B.28C3E08C@ix,net com,com ...
>>> Stephen Cowell wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>>> Then I suggest that it's the XK-thing that's holding you back.
>>>> You can *smell* the ones I like... there's a L-100 Mediterannean
>>>> in Cherry stinking up the next room.
>> ...
>>
>>> If you've spent time on "the real thing," then
>>> you'll know what's up the minute you sit down
>>> at an XK.
>> Do the keys have multiple contacts? It ain't the same
>> without that chewy harmonic thing as the leaves make
>> contact.
>>
>> Steve
>> .
>
> The multiple contact system is used in the New B-3, but not in the XK3.
>
> The keyclick generation system in the XK works great, though.
> Gets clickier when you pull more drawbars, or pull the existing
> ones further out, and there is a whole raft of parameters for
> the click. I'd have to read up on exactly how it's generated,
> but I never concerned myself with it much - I just tweak it
> until I hear what I want on any given patch. Nice to be able
> to go from an 80s clean generator with no hum, no motor
> noise, no generator hash and no acoustic rumble to a
> filthy-sounding 50s generator with all of the above. Put
> little or no click on the former, and plenty on the latter.
>
> Organ nerd nirvana. ;-)
>
> Lord Valve
> BaaaaarrrrrAAAAACCCCKKKK!!!! <Safety!>
>
>
>
>
I've got an H&K Tube Rotosphere II that does a great job sounding like
the latter.

Re: Tuning Amps

TD Madden wrote:

> Lord Valve wrote:
> > Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> >> "Lord Valve" <detritus@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
> >> news:481F1A7B.28C3E08C@ix,net com,com ...
> >>> Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >> ...
> >>
> >>>> Then I suggest that it's the XK-thing that's holding you back.
> >>>> You can *smell* the ones I like... there's a L-100 Mediterannean
> >>>> in Cherry stinking up the next room.
> >> ...
> >>
> >>> If you've spent time on "the real thing," then
> >>> you'll know what's up the minute you sit down
> >>> at an XK.
> >> Do the keys have multiple contacts? It ain't the same
> >> without that chewy harmonic thing as the leaves make
> >> contact.
> >> __
> >> Steve
> >> .
> >
> > The multiple contact system is used in the New B-3, but not in the XK3.
> >
> > The keyclick generation system in the XK works great, though.
> > Gets clickier when you pull more drawbars, or pull the existing
> > ones further out, and there is a whole raft of parameters for
> > the click. I'd have to read up on exactly how it's generated,
> > but I never concerned myself with it much - I just tweak it
> > until I hear what I want on any given patch. Nice to be able
> > to go from an 80s clean generator with no hum, no motor
> > noise, no generator hash and no acoustic rumble to a
> > filthy-sounding 50s generator with all of the above. Put
> > little or no click on the former, and plenty on the latter.
> >
> > Organ nerd nirvana. ;-)
> >
> > Lord Valve
> > BaaaaarrrrrAAAAACCCCKKKK!!!! <Safety!>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> I've got an H&K Tube Rotosphere II that does a great job sounding like
> the latter.

You mean the Rabbit Fart, or the 50s generator? ;-)

LV

Re: Tuning Amps

Lord Valve wrote:
> TD Madden wrote:
>
>> Lord Valve wrote:
>>> Stephen Cowell wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Lord Valve" <detritus@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
>>>> news:481F1A7B.28C3E08C@ix,net com,com ...
>>>>> Stephen Cowell wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>>> Then I suggest that it's the XK-thing that's holding you back.
>>>>>> You can *smell* the ones I like... there's a L-100 Mediterannean
>>>>>> in Cherry stinking up the next room.
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> If you've spent time on "the real thing," then
>>>>> you'll know what's up the minute you sit down
>>>>> at an XK.
>>>> Do the keys have multiple contacts? It ain't the same
>>>> without that chewy harmonic thing as the leaves make
>>>> contact.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>> .
>>> The multiple contact system is used in the New B-3, but not in the XK3.
>>>
>>> The keyclick generation system in the XK works great, though.
>>> Gets clickier when you pull more drawbars, or pull the existing
>>> ones further out, and there is a whole raft of parameters for
>>> the click. I'd have to read up on exactly how it's generated,
>>> but I never concerned myself with it much - I just tweak it
>>> until I hear what I want on any given patch. Nice to be able
>>> to go from an 80s clean generator with no hum, no motor
>>> noise, no generator hash and no acoustic rumble to a
>>> filthy-sounding 50s generator with all of the above. Put
>>> little or no click on the former, and plenty on the latter.
>>>
>>> Organ nerd nirvana. ;-)
>>>
>>> Lord Valve
>>> BaaaaarrrrrAAAAACCCCKKKK!!!! <Safety!>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I've got an H&K Tube Rotosphere II that does a great job sounding like
>> the latter.
>
> You mean the Rabbit Fart, or the 50s generator? ;-)
>
> LV
>
>
>
>
>
50's

Re: Tuning Amps

bluedevil_1950@yahoo,com wrote:

> Maybe the group name should be Alt. Guitar.Amp.Sarcasim
> Thanks for the advice.

Okay, if you're a beginner and want a real answer...

You don't say what kind of "distorted rock sound" you want, but the vast
majority of distorted rock guitars ever recorded were recorded on tube
amplifiers with the volume cranked up. Smaller solid state amps try to mimic
that sound. Results vary from totally useless to decent. Some use digital
modeling, some use a SS analog circuit, some use a tube in a solid state preamp
for distortion voicing...

One of the reasons that you got sarcastic responses is that we don't know what
particular amp you have. In general, turn your guitar volume and tone up all
the way, use the bridge pickup. If the amp has a "gain" (or "preamp") and a
"master volume," turn the master down all the way. Turn the gain half way up.
Now turn the master to the desired volume level and adjust gain up or down to
desired distortion level. Readjust the master if needed.

If it's a small solid state practice amp without modeling, your best bet might
be a distortion pedal. One of my favorite "bang for the buck" choices is the
Digitech DF7 distortion factory, because it models (fakes) seven different
pedals ranging from mild overdrive to distortion to saturated fuzz. You can
find online sound samples, but honestly, they SUCK. They are using an oddball
feature of the pedal, which gives a stereo output and allows you to go direct to
a board or for recording. You want to bypass this feature, and use the amp
output, and you'll get better results. How much better? That all depends on
your amp.

Re: Tuning Amps

WB wrote:
> Lord Valve wrote:
>> Hey - maybe he's a keyboard player.
>>
>>
>>
> You ever play that Hammond through a Marshall ? aka: Deep Purple ?

Probably the loudest thing I ever heard was Deep Purple in the early '70s,
and in particular I recall Jon Lord's keyboards as having an especially
skull-piercing impact. If memory serves they were said to be in a
competition with The Who back then to see who could hold the title of
world's loudest band. It probably seemed cool at the time. I remember my
ears ringing for days after seeing DP.

The Mk. II version of Deep Purple was terrific, the later versions never
came close IMO and seemed almost a Spinal Tap parody of a metal band, but
there was always a market for their music however dumbed-down it got. Jon
Lord never forgot where he came from--Jack McDuff, Jimmy Smith and Jimmy
McGriff were always in there, of course like a lot of early Brit rockers
he'd started off playing jazz. He's also one of very few musicians to have
had hit recordings in both the rock and classical charts.

Re: Tuning Amps


"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal,net > wrote in message
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>
> <bluedevil_1950@yahoo,com > wrote in message
> news:b3da7091-674e-44cc-a933-917904237add@25g2000hsx.googlegroups,com ...
>> Is there an on line site to aid in tuning amps. I need to know what
>> all the dials do. I want that distorted rock sound.
>
> You must read the front panel. Do you have an amp?
> If not, get one... and a guitar too. This will help.
>
> Get a connecting wire, too. It's called a 'chord'...
> ask the salesman for an 'E' chord.
> __
> Steve
> .
>
>
>
>

Quick little semi-ot story. When I was about 19 I was in a Thrash band and
our van shit the bed outside the singers house (who btw was one dumb dude) I
sent him 15 miles on his 10 speed in 92 degree (humid) weather to pick up a
muffler bearing at a auto parts store..... He was pretty fuckin pissed when
he got back! :-)

Re: Tuning Amps


"Monster Zero" <someone@somewhere,com > wrote in message
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>
> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal,net > wrote in message
> news:sajTj.13080$GE1.4829@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc,com ...
>>
>> <bluedevil_1950@yahoo,com > wrote in message
>> news:b3da7091-674e-44cc-a933-917904237add@25g2000hsx.googlegroups,com ...
>>> Is there an on line site to aid in tuning amps. I need to know what
>>> all the dials do. I want that distorted rock sound.
>>
>> You must read the front panel. Do you have an amp?
>> If not, get one... and a guitar too. This will help.
>>
>> Get a connecting wire, too. It's called a 'chord'...
>> ask the salesman for an 'E' chord.
>
> Quick little semi-ot story. When I was about 19 I was in a Thrash band and
> our van shit the bed outside the singers house (who btw was one dumb dude)
> I sent him 15 miles on his 10 speed in 92 degree (humid) weather to pick
> up a muffler bearing at a auto parts store..... He was pretty fuckin
> pissed when he got back! :-)

Back in the day, if you asked a trucker on the CB what he was carrying,
chances are it would be Volkswagen radiators.
__
Steve
.