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Re: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?
Mats Peterson wrote:
> "RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo,com > wrote:
>> RS <RS@nospam,com > wrote:
>>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 00:26:55 GMT, "RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo,com > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote:
>>>>> Watch the "Frontline". You've been spun.
>>> Right.
>>>
>>>> You're right, in many cases.
>>>> A lot depends on how the GWOT ends up being perceived 30, 40, 50
>>>> years from now. It's entirely conceivable that people will look
>>>> back on it the same way we look at the 18th amendment now. Much ado
>>>> about nothing.
>>> Possible that the economic hit from the Iraq war is not for real? It
>>> is entirely possible that this will be a lot -worse- than what we are
>>> seeing now. I believe that is the more likely scenario.
>> Oh sure, I agree with that. I'm not trivializing the adverse
>> consequences for the US, mainly question the whole "western civilization
>> is at stake" fraud.
>
> Is this guitar related in any way?
>
> Matt, this newsgroup became politically infused at LEAST 9-10 years ago. There is a fair amount of amp / guitar info, but %-wise more of anything but. There are times when it's All B.S. All the time. This response may well be flamed by a lazy-eyed shut-in suffering from just the right amount of anonymity to avoid having his head jammed into a filthy commode for a swirly. :-) mvm http :// tinyurl,com /32j32m
>
Enjoying!:
>
>
>
Monty Python Goodies
Selected transcripts from Monty Python TV, movies and records. Enjoy!
>
>
The Albatross sketch from “Live at City Center”
“All Things Dull and Ugly” song from “Contractual Obligation” LP
“Miss Anne Elk” from Monty Python’s Previous Record
“Never Be Rude to an Arab” song from “Contractual Obligation”
The Argument Clinic sketch
The Dead Bishop on the Landing sketch from “Live at City Center”
Blackmail! The TV Game show
The Bookshop sketch
The opening song from “Life of Brian”
The Bridgekeeper scene from “The Holy Grail”
The “Bright Side of Life” song from “Life of Brian”
The Australian sketch from “Live at City Center” (Includes “The
Philosophers’ Song”)
The Camelot song
The Cheese Shop sketch
“I Like Chinese” song from “Contractual Obligation” LP
“Decomposing Composers” from “Contractual Obligation” LP
“Every Sperm is Sacred” song
“Sit on My Face” song from “Contractual Obligation” LP
The Fish License sketch (Includes “Eric the Half-Bee” song)
The French castle scene
The Crunchy Frog sketch from the Hollywood Bowl
The Galaxy song
The Blessing from the Lord
The Holy Hand Grenade scene
“A Song for the Sensitive” from “Live at Drury Lane”
The Lumberjack song
“Medical Love” song from “Contractual Obligation” LP
The hilarious “Me, Doctor?”
“Ralph Melish” from “Matching Tie and Handkerchief” LP
The Knights Who Say Ni scene from “The Holy Grail”
“Not Noel Coward” song from “Meaning of Life”
Nudge Nudge, KnowhatImean, Saynomore!
The Penguin on top of the Television Set
The Dead Parrot Sketch
The song of Sir Robin from “The Holy Grail”
“Sermon on the Mount” from “The Life of Brian”
The sheep in the trees sketch
Spam (need I describe it?)
The advertising sketch
The complete Swamp Castle scene
The undertaker sketch
Mats Peterson wrote:
> "RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo,com > wrote:
>> RS <RS@nospam,com > wrote:
>>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 00:26:55 GMT, "RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo,com > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote:
>>>>> Watch the "Frontline". You've been spun.
>>> Right.
>>>
>>>> You're right, in many cases.
>>>> A lot depends on how the GWOT ends up being perceived 30, 40, 50
>>>> years from now. It's entirely conceivable that people will look
>>>> back on it the same way we look at the 18th amendment now. Much ado
>>>> about nothing.
>>> Possible that the economic hit from the Iraq war is not for real? It
>>> is entirely possible that this will be a lot -worse- than what we are
>>> seeing now. I believe that is the more likely scenario.
>> Oh sure, I agree with that. I'm not trivializing the adverse
>> consequences for the US, mainly question the whole "western civilization
>> is at stake" fraud.
>
> Is this guitar related in any way?
>
> Matt, this newsgroup became politically infused at LEAST 9-10 years ago. There is a fair amount of amp / guitar info, but %-wise more of anything but. There are times when it's All B.S. All the time. This response may well be flamed by a lazy-eyed shut-in suffering from just the right amount of anonymity to avoid having his head jammed into a filthy commode for a swirly. :-) mvm http :// tinyurl,com /32j32m
>
Enjoying!:
>
>
>
Monty Python Goodies
Selected transcripts from Monty Python TV, movies and records. Enjoy!
>
>
The Albatross sketch from “Live at City Center”
“All Things Dull and Ugly” song from “Contractual Obligation” LP
“Miss Anne Elk” from Monty Python’s Previous Record
“Never Be Rude to an Arab” song from “Contractual Obligation”
The Argument Clinic sketch
The Dead Bishop on the Landing sketch from “Live at City Center”
Blackmail! The TV Game show
The Bookshop sketch
The opening song from “Life of Brian”
The Bridgekeeper scene from “The Holy Grail”
The “Bright Side of Life” song from “Life of Brian”
The Australian sketch from “Live at City Center” (Includes “The
Philosophers’ Song”)
The Camelot song
The Cheese Shop sketch
“I Like Chinese” song from “Contractual Obligation” LP
“Decomposing Composers” from “Contractual Obligation” LP
“Every Sperm is Sacred” song
“Sit on My Face” song from “Contractual Obligation” LP
The Fish License sketch (Includes “Eric the Half-Bee” song)
The French castle scene
The Crunchy Frog sketch from the Hollywood Bowl
The Galaxy song
The Blessing from the Lord
The Holy Hand Grenade scene
“A Song for the Sensitive” from “Live at Drury Lane”
The Lumberjack song
“Medical Love” song from “Contractual Obligation” LP
The hilarious “Me, Doctor?”
“Ralph Melish” from “Matching Tie and Handkerchief” LP
The Knights Who Say Ni scene from “The Holy Grail”
“Not Noel Coward” song from “Meaning of Life”
Nudge Nudge, KnowhatImean, Saynomore!
The Penguin on top of the Television Set
The Dead Parrot Sketch
The song of Sir Robin from “The Holy Grail”
“Sermon on the Mount” from “The Life of Brian”
The sheep in the trees sketch
Spam (need I describe it?)
The advertising sketch
The complete Swamp Castle scene
The undertaker sketch
Re: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?
In article <ACFTj.7041$R_4.5681@newsb.telia,net >,
Mats Peterson <matsp555@yahoo,com > wrote:
>"RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo,com > wrote:
>> RS <RS@nospam,com > wrote:
>>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 00:26:55 GMT, "RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo,com > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Watch the "Frontline". You've been spun.
>>>
>>> Right.
>>>
>>>> You're right, in many cases.
>>>> A lot depends on how the GWOT ends up being perceived 30, 40, 50
>>>> years from now. It's entirely conceivable that people will look
>>>> back on it the same way we look at the 18th amendment now. Much ado
>>>> about nothing.
>>>
>>> Possible that the economic hit from the Iraq war is not for real? It
>>> is entirely possible that this will be a lot -worse- than what we are
>>> seeing now. I believe that is the more likely scenario.
>>
>> Oh sure, I agree with that. I'm not trivializing the adverse
>> consequences for the US, mainly question the whole "western civilization
>> is at stake" fraud.
>
>Is this guitar related in any way?
>
Of course.
George Bush and his minions are the cause
of all the world's problems.
If you break a string, it's George Bush's fault.
If your guitar goes out of tune it's George Bush's fault.
If the wood on your guitar dehumidifies, shrinks, and it
develops fret sprout and you gash your fingers on the
sharp edges it is due to Global Warming(tm) which is
personally caused by George Bush.
If one spends all their time on Usenet whining about the
evil that Republicans do and consequently neglects practicing
their instrument except to layer insipid noodlings over other
people's published tracks then that is obviously
George Bush's fault as well.
Amp problems are another story.
George Bush is extremely lazy, so he has delegated
the responsibility for causing those to Dick Cheney.
In article <ACFTj.7041$R_4.5681@newsb.telia,net >,
Mats Peterson <matsp555@yahoo,com > wrote:
>"RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo,com > wrote:
>> RS <RS@nospam,com > wrote:
>>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 00:26:55 GMT, "RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo,com > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Watch the "Frontline". You've been spun.
>>>
>>> Right.
>>>
>>>> You're right, in many cases.
>>>> A lot depends on how the GWOT ends up being perceived 30, 40, 50
>>>> years from now. It's entirely conceivable that people will look
>>>> back on it the same way we look at the 18th amendment now. Much ado
>>>> about nothing.
>>>
>>> Possible that the economic hit from the Iraq war is not for real? It
>>> is entirely possible that this will be a lot -worse- than what we are
>>> seeing now. I believe that is the more likely scenario.
>>
>> Oh sure, I agree with that. I'm not trivializing the adverse
>> consequences for the US, mainly question the whole "western civilization
>> is at stake" fraud.
>
>Is this guitar related in any way?
>
Of course.
George Bush and his minions are the cause
of all the world's problems.
If you break a string, it's George Bush's fault.
If your guitar goes out of tune it's George Bush's fault.
If the wood on your guitar dehumidifies, shrinks, and it
develops fret sprout and you gash your fingers on the
sharp edges it is due to Global Warming(tm) which is
personally caused by George Bush.
If one spends all their time on Usenet whining about the
evil that Republicans do and consequently neglects practicing
their instrument except to layer insipid noodlings over other
people's published tracks then that is obviously
George Bush's fault as well.
Amp problems are another story.
George Bush is extremely lazy, so he has delegated
the responsibility for causing those to Dick Cheney.
Re: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?
"Claude V. Lucas" wrote:
> In article <ACFTj.7041$R_4.5681@newsb.telia,net >,
> Mats Peterson <matsp555@yahoo,com > wrote:
> >"RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo,com > wrote:
> >> RS <RS@nospam,com > wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 00:26:55 GMT, "RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo,com > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Watch the "Frontline". You've been spun.
> >>>
> >>> Right.
> >>>
> >>>> You're right, in many cases.
> >>>> A lot depends on how the GWOT ends up being perceived 30, 40, 50
> >>>> years from now. It's entirely conceivable that people will look
> >>>> back on it the same way we look at the 18th amendment now. Much ado
> >>>> about nothing.
> >>>
> >>> Possible that the economic hit from the Iraq war is not for real? It
> >>> is entirely possible that this will be a lot -worse- than what we are
> >>> seeing now. I believe that is the more likely scenario.
> >>
> >> Oh sure, I agree with that. I'm not trivializing the adverse
> >> consequences for the US, mainly question the whole "western civilization
> >> is at stake" fraud.
> >
> >Is this guitar related in any way?
> >
>
> Of course.
>
> George Bush and his minions are the cause
> of all the world's problems.
>
> If you break a string, it's George Bush's fault.
>
> If your guitar goes out of tune it's George Bush's fault.
>
> If the wood on your guitar dehumidifies, shrinks, and it
> develops fret sprout and you gash your fingers on the
> sharp edges it is due to Global Warming(tm) which is
> personally caused by George Bush.
>
> If one spends all their time on Usenet whining about the
> evil that Republicans do and consequently neglects practicing
> their instrument except to layer insipid noodlings over other
> people's published tracks then that is obviously
> George Bush's fault as well.
>
> Amp problems are another story.
>
> George Bush is extremely lazy, so he has delegated
> the responsibility for causing those to Dick Cheney.
Thanks, Dick!
Gotta head for the bank, BBL....
Lord Valve
BaaaaaarrrrAAAAACCCCKKKK!!! <Safety!>
"Claude V. Lucas" wrote:
> In article <ACFTj.7041$R_4.5681@newsb.telia,net >,
> Mats Peterson <matsp555@yahoo,com > wrote:
> >"RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo,com > wrote:
> >> RS <RS@nospam,com > wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 00:26:55 GMT, "RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo,com > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Watch the "Frontline". You've been spun.
> >>>
> >>> Right.
> >>>
> >>>> You're right, in many cases.
> >>>> A lot depends on how the GWOT ends up being perceived 30, 40, 50
> >>>> years from now. It's entirely conceivable that people will look
> >>>> back on it the same way we look at the 18th amendment now. Much ado
> >>>> about nothing.
> >>>
> >>> Possible that the economic hit from the Iraq war is not for real? It
> >>> is entirely possible that this will be a lot -worse- than what we are
> >>> seeing now. I believe that is the more likely scenario.
> >>
> >> Oh sure, I agree with that. I'm not trivializing the adverse
> >> consequences for the US, mainly question the whole "western civilization
> >> is at stake" fraud.
> >
> >Is this guitar related in any way?
> >
>
> Of course.
>
> George Bush and his minions are the cause
> of all the world's problems.
>
> If you break a string, it's George Bush's fault.
>
> If your guitar goes out of tune it's George Bush's fault.
>
> If the wood on your guitar dehumidifies, shrinks, and it
> develops fret sprout and you gash your fingers on the
> sharp edges it is due to Global Warming(tm) which is
> personally caused by George Bush.
>
> If one spends all their time on Usenet whining about the
> evil that Republicans do and consequently neglects practicing
> their instrument except to layer insipid noodlings over other
> people's published tracks then that is obviously
> George Bush's fault as well.
>
> Amp problems are another story.
>
> George Bush is extremely lazy, so he has delegated
> the responsibility for causing those to Dick Cheney.
Thanks, Dick!
Gotta head for the bank, BBL....
Lord Valve
BaaaaaarrrrAAAAACCCCKKKK!!! <Safety!>
Re: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?
"Willy Slicklipper" <detritus@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
news:481F3A43.84FD8029@ix,net com,com ...
> "Claude V. Lucas" wrote:
>
>> In article <ACFTj.7041$R_4.5681@newsb.telia,net >,
>> Mats Peterson <matsp555@yahoo,com > wrote:
>> >"RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo,com > wrote:
>> >> RS <RS@nospam,com > wrote:
>> >>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 00:26:55 GMT, "RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo,com >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Watch the "Frontline". You've been spun.
>> >>>
>> >>> Right.
>> >>>
>> >>>> You're right, in many cases.
>> >>>> A lot depends on how the GWOT ends up being perceived 30, 40, 50
>> >>>> years from now. It's entirely conceivable that people will look
>> >>>> back on it the same way we look at the 18th amendment now. Much ado
>> >>>> about nothing.
>> >>>
>> >>> Possible that the economic hit from the Iraq war is not for real? It
>> >>> is entirely possible that this will be a lot -worse- than what we are
>> >>> seeing now. I believe that is the more likely scenario.
>> >>
>> >> Oh sure, I agree with that. I'm not trivializing the adverse
>> >> consequences for the US, mainly question the whole "western
>> >> civilization
>> >> is at stake" fraud.
>> >
>> >Is this guitar related in any way?
>> >
>>
>> Of course.
>>
>> George Bush and his minions are the cause
>> of all the world's problems.
>>
>> If you break a string, it's George Bush's fault.
>>
>> If your guitar goes out of tune it's George Bush's fault.
>>
>> If the wood on your guitar dehumidifies, shrinks, and it
>> develops fret sprout and you gash your fingers on the
>> sharp edges it is due to Global Warming(tm) which is
>> personally caused by George Bush.
>>
>> If one spends all their time on Usenet whining about the
>> evil that Republicans do and consequently neglects practicing
>> their instrument except to layer insipid noodlings over other
>> people's published tracks then that is obviously
>> George Bush's fault as well.
>>
>> Amp problems are another story.
>>
>> George Bush is extremely lazy, so he has delegated
>> the responsibility for causing those to Dick Cheney.
>
> Thanks, Dick!
Haa ha ha ha ha, well we know you suck on Duhby's
limpy one, but on Queen Dick's dick too? Of course, and
while mooning your toady socks as they fall over each other
trying to be the first to smooch your wide load as fart bubbles
come barrelling out of it every time you have them over you
trailer for butt melding contests.
> Gotta head for the bank, BBL....
>
>
> Fraud Flub
> BaaaaaarrrrAAAAACCCCKKKK!!! <Safety!>
You voted for Duhbya. You suck and he sucks.
"Willy Slicklipper" <detritus@ix,net com,com > wrote in message
news:481F3A43.84FD8029@ix,net com,com ...
> "Claude V. Lucas" wrote:
>
>> In article <ACFTj.7041$R_4.5681@newsb.telia,net >,
>> Mats Peterson <matsp555@yahoo,com > wrote:
>> >"RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo,com > wrote:
>> >> RS <RS@nospam,com > wrote:
>> >>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 00:26:55 GMT, "RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo,com >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Watch the "Frontline". You've been spun.
>> >>>
>> >>> Right.
>> >>>
>> >>>> You're right, in many cases.
>> >>>> A lot depends on how the GWOT ends up being perceived 30, 40, 50
>> >>>> years from now. It's entirely conceivable that people will look
>> >>>> back on it the same way we look at the 18th amendment now. Much ado
>> >>>> about nothing.
>> >>>
>> >>> Possible that the economic hit from the Iraq war is not for real? It
>> >>> is entirely possible that this will be a lot -worse- than what we are
>> >>> seeing now. I believe that is the more likely scenario.
>> >>
>> >> Oh sure, I agree with that. I'm not trivializing the adverse
>> >> consequences for the US, mainly question the whole "western
>> >> civilization
>> >> is at stake" fraud.
>> >
>> >Is this guitar related in any way?
>> >
>>
>> Of course.
>>
>> George Bush and his minions are the cause
>> of all the world's problems.
>>
>> If you break a string, it's George Bush's fault.
>>
>> If your guitar goes out of tune it's George Bush's fault.
>>
>> If the wood on your guitar dehumidifies, shrinks, and it
>> develops fret sprout and you gash your fingers on the
>> sharp edges it is due to Global Warming(tm) which is
>> personally caused by George Bush.
>>
>> If one spends all their time on Usenet whining about the
>> evil that Republicans do and consequently neglects practicing
>> their instrument except to layer insipid noodlings over other
>> people's published tracks then that is obviously
>> George Bush's fault as well.
>>
>> Amp problems are another story.
>>
>> George Bush is extremely lazy, so he has delegated
>> the responsibility for causing those to Dick Cheney.
>
> Thanks, Dick!
Haa ha ha ha ha, well we know you suck on Duhby's
limpy one, but on Queen Dick's dick too? Of course, and
while mooning your toady socks as they fall over each other
trying to be the first to smooch your wide load as fart bubbles
come barrelling out of it every time you have them over you
trailer for butt melding contests.
> Gotta head for the bank, BBL....
>
>
> Fraud Flub
> BaaaaaarrrrAAAAACCCCKKKK!!! <Safety!>
You voted for Duhbya. You suck and he sucks.
Re: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?
RichL wrote:
> RS <RS@nospam,com > wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 00:26:55 GMT, "RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo,com > wrote:
>>
>>> Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote:
>>>> Watch the "Frontline". You've been spun.
>> Right.
>>
>>> You're right, in many cases.
>>> A lot depends on how the GWOT ends up being perceived 30, 40, 50
>>> years from now. It's entirely conceivable that people will look
>>> back on it the same way we look at the 18th amendment now. Much ado
>>> about nothing.
>> Possible that the economic hit from the Iraq war is not for real? It
>> is entirely possible that this will be a lot -worse- than what we are
>> seeing now. I believe that is the more likely scenario.
>
> Oh sure, I agree with that. I'm not trivializing the adverse
> consequences for the US,
I suspect it's not that simple, either:
http :// zfacts,com /p/318.html
It is not clear how general economic health, government
spending and government debt are related. Once you consider
the Fed's role, it's even ... weirder.
> mainly question the whole "western civilization
> is at stake" fraud.
>
That depends on how much like the late Byzantines we end up being.
>
--
Les Cargill
RichL wrote:
> RS <RS@nospam,com > wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 00:26:55 GMT, "RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo,com > wrote:
>>
>>> Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote:
>>>> Watch the "Frontline". You've been spun.
>> Right.
>>
>>> You're right, in many cases.
>>> A lot depends on how the GWOT ends up being perceived 30, 40, 50
>>> years from now. It's entirely conceivable that people will look
>>> back on it the same way we look at the 18th amendment now. Much ado
>>> about nothing.
>> Possible that the economic hit from the Iraq war is not for real? It
>> is entirely possible that this will be a lot -worse- than what we are
>> seeing now. I believe that is the more likely scenario.
>
> Oh sure, I agree with that. I'm not trivializing the adverse
> consequences for the US,
I suspect it's not that simple, either:
http :// zfacts,com /p/318.html
It is not clear how general economic health, government
spending and government debt are related. Once you consider
the Fed's role, it's even ... weirder.
> mainly question the whole "western civilization
> is at stake" fraud.
>
That depends on how much like the late Byzantines we end up being.
>
--
Les Cargill
Re: OT: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?
On May 1, 12:37=EF=BF=BDpm, Mike Pritchard <m...@no-spam.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> I couldn't resist posting this one!!!
>
> According to a new poll conducted by CNN, GWB ranks number ONE, as the
> most unpopular American President, in modern American history!!
>
> I would be laughing about this...if the whole story wasn't such a
> tragedy.
>
> But, there is nothing funny about the damage this man has done to
> America and the world.
>
> I heard a bit of news on NPR the other day, talking about how in the
> eyes of the rest of the world, America its self, has become primarily
> "insignificant", along with our president--due to the policies of this
> administration.
>
> Of course, the repugs will all argue that " we still got the biggest
> stick" as a reason that we are NOT insignificant.
>
> The whole message is lost on such idiots.
>
> Mike
What a fucking moron.
They do these polls all the time and the sitting president always
takes an extra hit.
Libs love polls.
Remember the polls Morgen and Jim Anable kept posting saying Kerry
would win?
If Iraq turns out like Germany and Japan, Bush will go down in the top
10.
Mozart, Churchill... many greats were dissed in their day.
It takes decades, even centuries to judge a president.
On May 1, 12:37=EF=BF=BDpm, Mike Pritchard <m...@no-spam.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> I couldn't resist posting this one!!!
>
> According to a new poll conducted by CNN, GWB ranks number ONE, as the
> most unpopular American President, in modern American history!!
>
> I would be laughing about this...if the whole story wasn't such a
> tragedy.
>
> But, there is nothing funny about the damage this man has done to
> America and the world.
>
> I heard a bit of news on NPR the other day, talking about how in the
> eyes of the rest of the world, America its self, has become primarily
> "insignificant", along with our president--due to the policies of this
> administration.
>
> Of course, the repugs will all argue that " we still got the biggest
> stick" as a reason that we are NOT insignificant.
>
> The whole message is lost on such idiots.
>
> Mike
What a fucking moron.
They do these polls all the time and the sitting president always
takes an extra hit.
Libs love polls.
Remember the polls Morgen and Jim Anable kept posting saying Kerry
would win?
If Iraq turns out like Germany and Japan, Bush will go down in the top
10.
Mozart, Churchill... many greats were dissed in their day.
It takes decades, even centuries to judge a president.
Re: OT: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?
ronald_mcasswhipper@hotmail,com wrote:
> On May 1, 12:37?pm, Mike Pritchard <m...@no-spam.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>> I couldn't resist posting this one!!!
>>
>> According to a new poll conducted by CNN, GWB ranks number ONE, as the
>> most unpopular American President, in modern American history!!
>>
>> I would be laughing about this...if the whole story wasn't such a
>> tragedy.
>>
>> But, there is nothing funny about the damage this man has done to
>> America and the world.
>>
>> I heard a bit of news on NPR the other day, talking about how in the
>> eyes of the rest of the world, America its self, has become primarily
>> "insignificant", along with our president--due to the policies of this
>> administration.
>>
>> Of course, the repugs will all argue that " we still got the biggest
>> stick" as a reason that we are NOT insignificant.
>>
>> The whole message is lost on such idiots.
>>
>> Mike
<snip>
>
> Remember the polls Morgen and Jim Anable kept posting saying Kerry
> would win?
>
Kerry lacks the killer instinct, or he would have won.
> If Iraq turns out like Germany and Japan, Bush will go down in the top
> 10.
>
If it happens in twenty, I would be very surprised. It might.
> Mozart, Churchill... many greats were dissed in their day.
>
> It takes decades, even centuries to judge a president.
>
Exactly.
--
Les Cargill
ronald_mcasswhipper@hotmail,com wrote:
> On May 1, 12:37?pm, Mike Pritchard <m...@no-spam.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>> I couldn't resist posting this one!!!
>>
>> According to a new poll conducted by CNN, GWB ranks number ONE, as the
>> most unpopular American President, in modern American history!!
>>
>> I would be laughing about this...if the whole story wasn't such a
>> tragedy.
>>
>> But, there is nothing funny about the damage this man has done to
>> America and the world.
>>
>> I heard a bit of news on NPR the other day, talking about how in the
>> eyes of the rest of the world, America its self, has become primarily
>> "insignificant", along with our president--due to the policies of this
>> administration.
>>
>> Of course, the repugs will all argue that " we still got the biggest
>> stick" as a reason that we are NOT insignificant.
>>
>> The whole message is lost on such idiots.
>>
>> Mike
<snip>
>
> Remember the polls Morgen and Jim Anable kept posting saying Kerry
> would win?
>
Kerry lacks the killer instinct, or he would have won.
> If Iraq turns out like Germany and Japan, Bush will go down in the top
> 10.
>
If it happens in twenty, I would be very surprised. It might.
> Mozart, Churchill... many greats were dissed in their day.
>
> It takes decades, even centuries to judge a president.
>
Exactly.
--
Les Cargill
Re: OT: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?
On May 2, 3:56=C2=A0pm, Les Cargill <lcarg...@cfl.rr,com > wrote:
> ronald_mcasswhip...@hotmail,com wrote:
> > On May 1, 12:37=EF=BF=BDpm, Mike Pritchard <m...@no-spam.uiuc.edu> wrote=
:
> >> I couldn't resist posting this one!!!
>
> >> According to a new poll conducted by CNN, GWB ranks number ONE, as the
> >> most unpopular American President, in modern American history!!
>
> >> I would be laughing about this...if the whole story wasn't such a
> >> tragedy.
>
> >> But, there is nothing funny about the damage this man has done to
> >> America and the world.
>
> >> I heard a bit of news on NPR the other day, talking about how in the
> >> eyes of the rest of the world, America its self, has become primarily
> >> "insignificant", along with our president--due to the policies of this
> >> administration.
>
> >> Of course, the repugs will all argue that " we still got the biggest
> >> stick" as a reason that we are NOT insignificant.
>
> >> The whole message is lost on such idiots.
>
> >> Mike
> <snip>
>
> > Remember the polls Morgen and Jim Anable kept posting saying Kerry
> > would win?
>
> Kerry lacks the killer instinct, or he would have won.
>
> > If Iraq turns out like Germany and Japan, Bush will go down in the top
> > 10.
>
> If it happens in twenty, I would be very surprised. It might.
>
> > Mozart, Churchill... many greats were dissed in their day.
>
> > It takes decades, even centuries to judge a president.
>
> Exactly.
>
> --
> Les Cargill-
Yup. If the next president is a lib, I'm giving him 30 days to fix
everything.
If not, he will be judged.
That would be the best thing about a lib president, the crybaby libs
will have to find some other scapegoat for their miserable lives.
On May 2, 3:56=C2=A0pm, Les Cargill <lcarg...@cfl.rr,com > wrote:
> ronald_mcasswhip...@hotmail,com wrote:
> > On May 1, 12:37=EF=BF=BDpm, Mike Pritchard <m...@no-spam.uiuc.edu> wrote=
:
> >> I couldn't resist posting this one!!!
>
> >> According to a new poll conducted by CNN, GWB ranks number ONE, as the
> >> most unpopular American President, in modern American history!!
>
> >> I would be laughing about this...if the whole story wasn't such a
> >> tragedy.
>
> >> But, there is nothing funny about the damage this man has done to
> >> America and the world.
>
> >> I heard a bit of news on NPR the other day, talking about how in the
> >> eyes of the rest of the world, America its self, has become primarily
> >> "insignificant", along with our president--due to the policies of this
> >> administration.
>
> >> Of course, the repugs will all argue that " we still got the biggest
> >> stick" as a reason that we are NOT insignificant.
>
> >> The whole message is lost on such idiots.
>
> >> Mike
> <snip>
>
> > Remember the polls Morgen and Jim Anable kept posting saying Kerry
> > would win?
>
> Kerry lacks the killer instinct, or he would have won.
>
> > If Iraq turns out like Germany and Japan, Bush will go down in the top
> > 10.
>
> If it happens in twenty, I would be very surprised. It might.
>
> > Mozart, Churchill... many greats were dissed in their day.
>
> > It takes decades, even centuries to judge a president.
>
> Exactly.
>
> --
> Les Cargill-
Yup. If the next president is a lib, I'm giving him 30 days to fix
everything.
If not, he will be judged.
That would be the best thing about a lib president, the crybaby libs
will have to find some other scapegoat for their miserable lives.
Re: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?
"Mike Pritchard" <mrp@no-spam.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:481A1BDC.F0EAFB1B@no-spam.uiuc.edu...
>I couldn't resist posting this one!!!
>
> According to a new poll conducted by CNN, GWB ranks number ONE, as the
> most unpopular American President, in modern American history!!
>
> I would be laughing about this...if the whole story wasn't such a
> tragedy.
>
> But, there is nothing funny about the damage this man has done to
> America and the world.
>
> I heard a bit of news on NPR the other day, talking about how in the
> eyes of the rest of the world, America its self, has become primarily
> "insignificant", along with our president--due to the policies of this
> administration.
>
> Of course, the repugs will all argue that " we still got the biggest
> stick" as a reason that we are NOT insignificant.
>
> The whole message is lost on such idiots.
>
> Mike
I laugh at that butt puppet clown every day, but I really
hate what that bastard and his sycophants and cronies
have done to fuck up this country beyond recognition.
Repeating:
Thanks to greedy "business before people" asshole repugs,
we have this stupid "war" in Iraq, overpriced gasoline,
a fucked up housing market, high ass grocery prices,
a wretchedly failing economy, overpaid CEOs, job
downsizing, job outsourcing, union busting, a monopolistic
corporate tyranny controlling our government, our lives
and our airwaves, organized ultra rich elitists swindling
our government, over-priced medical care and medicine,
a devalued dollar, inflation, a bloated government of waste,
fraud and abuse, an impotent FDA and impotent EPA
along with other agencies hindered from doing their job,
failing infrastructures all around the country, obtuse priorities
like Terry Schiavo while disregarding the threat of global
warming and on and on and on. Yet we have economics
geniuses and other pencilnecks and Duhbya bouncing all
sorts of theories about what to do about the failing economy
and simply overlooking the fact that their fifedom ideology
is the fucking cause of it all - suck up all of the money from
the middle class and the poor and who's left over who can
afford to buy their stinkin' products and keep their businesses
growing? Retardicons voted for this shit - fuck 'em.
"Mike Pritchard" <mrp@no-spam.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:481A1BDC.F0EAFB1B@no-spam.uiuc.edu...
>I couldn't resist posting this one!!!
>
> According to a new poll conducted by CNN, GWB ranks number ONE, as the
> most unpopular American President, in modern American history!!
>
> I would be laughing about this...if the whole story wasn't such a
> tragedy.
>
> But, there is nothing funny about the damage this man has done to
> America and the world.
>
> I heard a bit of news on NPR the other day, talking about how in the
> eyes of the rest of the world, America its self, has become primarily
> "insignificant", along with our president--due to the policies of this
> administration.
>
> Of course, the repugs will all argue that " we still got the biggest
> stick" as a reason that we are NOT insignificant.
>
> The whole message is lost on such idiots.
>
> Mike
I laugh at that butt puppet clown every day, but I really
hate what that bastard and his sycophants and cronies
have done to fuck up this country beyond recognition.
Repeating:
Thanks to greedy "business before people" asshole repugs,
we have this stupid "war" in Iraq, overpriced gasoline,
a fucked up housing market, high ass grocery prices,
a wretchedly failing economy, overpaid CEOs, job
downsizing, job outsourcing, union busting, a monopolistic
corporate tyranny controlling our government, our lives
and our airwaves, organized ultra rich elitists swindling
our government, over-priced medical care and medicine,
a devalued dollar, inflation, a bloated government of waste,
fraud and abuse, an impotent FDA and impotent EPA
along with other agencies hindered from doing their job,
failing infrastructures all around the country, obtuse priorities
like Terry Schiavo while disregarding the threat of global
warming and on and on and on. Yet we have economics
geniuses and other pencilnecks and Duhbya bouncing all
sorts of theories about what to do about the failing economy
and simply overlooking the fact that their fifedom ideology
is the fucking cause of it all - suck up all of the money from
the middle class and the poor and who's left over who can
afford to buy their stinkin' products and keep their businesses
growing? Retardicons voted for this shit - fuck 'em.
Re: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?
Elvis Kabong wrote:
> "Mike Pritchard" <mrp@no-spam.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
> news:481A1BDC.F0EAFB1B@no-spam.uiuc.edu...
>> I couldn't resist posting this one!!!
>>
>> According to a new poll conducted by CNN, GWB ranks number ONE, as the
>> most unpopular American President, in modern American history!!
>>
>> I would be laughing about this...if the whole story wasn't such a
>> tragedy.
>>
>> But, there is nothing funny about the damage this man has done to
>> America and the world.
>>
>> I heard a bit of news on NPR the other day, talking about how in the
>> eyes of the rest of the world, America its self, has become primarily
>> "insignificant", along with our president--due to the policies of this
>> administration.
>>
>> Of course, the repugs will all argue that " we still got the biggest
>> stick" as a reason that we are NOT insignificant.
>>
>> The whole message is lost on such idiots.
>>
>> Mike
>
> I laugh at that butt puppet clown every day, but I really
> hate what that bastard and his sycophants and cronies
> have done to fuck up this country beyond recognition.
> Repeating:
> Thanks to greedy "business before people" asshole repugs,
> we have this stupid "war" in Iraq,
Look at the tick up named "Iraq War".
http :// www .hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm
Damn near a 25% increase in approval rating.
> overpriced gasoline,
ORLY?
We're just now to 1981 levels, and that is very likely
due to speculation, as hedge funds left the housing-finance
markets for.... commodities.
http :// www .inflationdata,com /inflation/images/charts/Oil/Gasoline inflation chart.htm
So what is the replacement value of a barrel of oil?
> a fucked up housing market,
What did you think was going to happen when they dropped rates between
2000 and 2002? That is when fugitive capital from dotcom went to
housing....
> high ass grocery prices,
More speculation....
> a wretchedly failing economy, overpaid CEOs,
We have a reading comprehension problem. Some guy cashing out 10 years
worth of options is not "overpaid". Remember, options were the
*solution* to CEOs being overpaid.
"See, a pimp's live is very different from the love of a square..." -
idiocracy...
Don't be hatin', yo.
> job
> downsizing,
Where?
http :// research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/UNRATE
> job outsourcing,
That's stopped. It's... too expensive now. *Giggle*.
> union busting,
Meh. Not going there today....
> a monopolistic
> corporate tyranny controlling our government,
*Sigh*... Got stock? THEN THOU ARE PART OF THE CORPORATE TYRANNY.
"And everybody gets a share" - Milo Minderbinder.
> our lives
> and our airwaves, organized ultra rich elitists swindling
> our government, over-priced medical care and medicine,
> a devalued dollar, inflation, a bloated government of waste,
> fraud and abuse, an impotent FDA and impotent EPA
> along with other agencies hindered from doing their job,
That part is largely true. Devalued dollar is painful now, will be a
good thing later.
> failing infrastructures all around the country,
Absolutely.
> obtuse priorities
> like Terry Schiavo while disregarding the threat of global
> warming and on and on and on.
YUP!
> Yet we have economics
> geniuses and other pencilnecks
Yah. Veee vill get Ahnold to huhrt zee pencil-necks... zat
vill fix it.
> and Duhbya bouncing all
> sorts of theories about what to do about the failing economy
> and simply overlooking the fact that their fifedom ideology
> is the fucking cause of it all - suck up all of the money from
> the middle class and the poor and who's left over who can
> afford to buy their stinkin' products and keep their businesses
> growing? Retardicons voted for this shit - fuck 'em.
The cause of it all is *fear of deflation*. That is a good thing to be
afraid of. Ben's Last Bounce was today - by the end of Q3, it'll be
back to swinging.
Employment is a late-trailing indicator, and it's in good
shape. See above curve.
--
Les Cargill
Elvis Kabong wrote:
> "Mike Pritchard" <mrp@no-spam.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
> news:481A1BDC.F0EAFB1B@no-spam.uiuc.edu...
>> I couldn't resist posting this one!!!
>>
>> According to a new poll conducted by CNN, GWB ranks number ONE, as the
>> most unpopular American President, in modern American history!!
>>
>> I would be laughing about this...if the whole story wasn't such a
>> tragedy.
>>
>> But, there is nothing funny about the damage this man has done to
>> America and the world.
>>
>> I heard a bit of news on NPR the other day, talking about how in the
>> eyes of the rest of the world, America its self, has become primarily
>> "insignificant", along with our president--due to the policies of this
>> administration.
>>
>> Of course, the repugs will all argue that " we still got the biggest
>> stick" as a reason that we are NOT insignificant.
>>
>> The whole message is lost on such idiots.
>>
>> Mike
>
> I laugh at that butt puppet clown every day, but I really
> hate what that bastard and his sycophants and cronies
> have done to fuck up this country beyond recognition.
> Repeating:
> Thanks to greedy "business before people" asshole repugs,
> we have this stupid "war" in Iraq,
Look at the tick up named "Iraq War".
http :// www .hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm
Damn near a 25% increase in approval rating.
> overpriced gasoline,
ORLY?
We're just now to 1981 levels, and that is very likely
due to speculation, as hedge funds left the housing-finance
markets for.... commodities.
http :// www .inflationdata,com /inflation/images/charts/Oil/Gasoline inflation chart.htm
So what is the replacement value of a barrel of oil?
> a fucked up housing market,
What did you think was going to happen when they dropped rates between
2000 and 2002? That is when fugitive capital from dotcom went to
housing....
> high ass grocery prices,
More speculation....
> a wretchedly failing economy, overpaid CEOs,
We have a reading comprehension problem. Some guy cashing out 10 years
worth of options is not "overpaid". Remember, options were the
*solution* to CEOs being overpaid.
"See, a pimp's live is very different from the love of a square..." -
idiocracy...
Don't be hatin', yo.
> job
> downsizing,
Where?
http :// research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/UNRATE
> job outsourcing,
That's stopped. It's... too expensive now. *Giggle*.
> union busting,
Meh. Not going there today....
> a monopolistic
> corporate tyranny controlling our government,
*Sigh*... Got stock? THEN THOU ARE PART OF THE CORPORATE TYRANNY.
"And everybody gets a share" - Milo Minderbinder.
> our lives
> and our airwaves, organized ultra rich elitists swindling
> our government, over-priced medical care and medicine,
> a devalued dollar, inflation, a bloated government of waste,
> fraud and abuse, an impotent FDA and impotent EPA
> along with other agencies hindered from doing their job,
That part is largely true. Devalued dollar is painful now, will be a
good thing later.
> failing infrastructures all around the country,
Absolutely.
> obtuse priorities
> like Terry Schiavo while disregarding the threat of global
> warming and on and on and on.
YUP!
> Yet we have economics
> geniuses and other pencilnecks
Yah. Veee vill get Ahnold to huhrt zee pencil-necks... zat
vill fix it.
> and Duhbya bouncing all
> sorts of theories about what to do about the failing economy
> and simply overlooking the fact that their fifedom ideology
> is the fucking cause of it all - suck up all of the money from
> the middle class and the poor and who's left over who can
> afford to buy their stinkin' products and keep their businesses
> growing? Retardicons voted for this shit - fuck 'em.
The cause of it all is *fear of deflation*. That is a good thing to be
afraid of. Ben's Last Bounce was today - by the end of Q3, it'll be
back to swinging.
Employment is a late-trailing indicator, and it's in good
shape. See above curve.
--
Les Cargill
Re: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?
On May 2, 8:26 am, "Elvis Kabong" <ampscie...@tuneland,com > wrote:
> Thanks to greedy "business before people" asshole repugs,
The rebublicans are to blame for a lot, but it's pointless and
immature to blame them for every problem in the US.
> we have this stupid "war" in Iraq,
yep, largely bush's fault but plenty of dems were in support at the
time.
> overpriced gasoline,
caused by a falling dollar (blame the Fed's easy credit for that),
reduced supply (not really the government's fault but they could tap
the strategic reserves to relieve pressure) and the war (see above).
> a fucked up housing market,
blame the Fed for easy credit creating a bubble and then bailing out
the failing banks, idiot buyers who couldn't afford them in the first
place and speculators - not really the government's fault although
they should be reigning in the Fed or abolishing it altogether to stop
these bubbles forming.
> high ass grocery prices,
blame the falling dollar (the Fed).
> a wretchedly failing economy,
too vague to assign blame.
> overpaid CEOs,
not the government's concern although it's clearly a market distortion
and is a symptom of more fundamental problems.
> job downsizing,
same.
> job outsourcing
same.
> union busting
can be a good thing, although again it's not really the government's
problem as they should be voluntary collectives.
> a monopolistic corporate tyranny controlling our government
yep, but it's just as bad on the Dems side and it's been bad for a
long time.
> and our airwaves
Shouldn't be the government's concern however the FCC is largely to
blame for the concentration of media ownership.
> organized ultra rich elitists swindling
> our government,
already covered above
> over-priced medical care and medicine
I guarantee you that universal healthcare/single payer solutions will
worsen these problems not solve them - it will drive the cost of
healthcare through the roof and decrease the quality of service.
Michael Moore is full of shit.
> a devalued dollar, inflation,
Blame the Fed.
> a bloated government of waste,
Both sides are as bad as each other.
> fraud and abuse,
?
> an impotent FDA and impotent EPA
How will increasing their powers solve the problem and what is the
problem precisely?
> along with other agencies hindered from doing their job,
like who?
> failing infrastructures all around the country, obtuse priorities
> like Terry Schiavo while disregarding the threat of global
> warming and on and on and on. Yet we have economics
> geniuses and other pencilnecks and Duhbya bouncing all
> sorts of theories about what to do about the failing economy
> and simply overlooking the fact that their fifedom ideology
> is the fucking cause of it all - suck up all of the money from
> the middle class and the poor and who's left over who can
> afford to buy their stinkin' products and keep their businesses
> growing? Retardicons voted for this shit - fuck 'em
blah, blah, blah. You are an absolute fool if you think that the Dems
will do any better (except perhaps end the war but I wouldn't count on
that.) It's amazing how brainwashed people are to favor one side of
politics over the other; all it does is increase the size and power of
government in total. Reagan was right (although he fucked up a lot of
things too) - government IS the problem. Vote third party or write-in
someone sensible like Ron Paul.
On May 2, 8:26 am, "Elvis Kabong" <ampscie...@tuneland,com > wrote:
> Thanks to greedy "business before people" asshole repugs,
The rebublicans are to blame for a lot, but it's pointless and
immature to blame them for every problem in the US.
> we have this stupid "war" in Iraq,
yep, largely bush's fault but plenty of dems were in support at the
time.
> overpriced gasoline,
caused by a falling dollar (blame the Fed's easy credit for that),
reduced supply (not really the government's fault but they could tap
the strategic reserves to relieve pressure) and the war (see above).
> a fucked up housing market,
blame the Fed for easy credit creating a bubble and then bailing out
the failing banks, idiot buyers who couldn't afford them in the first
place and speculators - not really the government's fault although
they should be reigning in the Fed or abolishing it altogether to stop
these bubbles forming.
> high ass grocery prices,
blame the falling dollar (the Fed).
> a wretchedly failing economy,
too vague to assign blame.
> overpaid CEOs,
not the government's concern although it's clearly a market distortion
and is a symptom of more fundamental problems.
> job downsizing,
same.
> job outsourcing
same.
> union busting
can be a good thing, although again it's not really the government's
problem as they should be voluntary collectives.
> a monopolistic corporate tyranny controlling our government
yep, but it's just as bad on the Dems side and it's been bad for a
long time.
> and our airwaves
Shouldn't be the government's concern however the FCC is largely to
blame for the concentration of media ownership.
> organized ultra rich elitists swindling
> our government,
already covered above
> over-priced medical care and medicine
I guarantee you that universal healthcare/single payer solutions will
worsen these problems not solve them - it will drive the cost of
healthcare through the roof and decrease the quality of service.
Michael Moore is full of shit.
> a devalued dollar, inflation,
Blame the Fed.
> a bloated government of waste,
Both sides are as bad as each other.
> fraud and abuse,
?
> an impotent FDA and impotent EPA
How will increasing their powers solve the problem and what is the
problem precisely?
> along with other agencies hindered from doing their job,
like who?
> failing infrastructures all around the country, obtuse priorities
> like Terry Schiavo while disregarding the threat of global
> warming and on and on and on. Yet we have economics
> geniuses and other pencilnecks and Duhbya bouncing all
> sorts of theories about what to do about the failing economy
> and simply overlooking the fact that their fifedom ideology
> is the fucking cause of it all - suck up all of the money from
> the middle class and the poor and who's left over who can
> afford to buy their stinkin' products and keep their businesses
> growing? Retardicons voted for this shit - fuck 'em
blah, blah, blah. You are an absolute fool if you think that the Dems
will do any better (except perhaps end the war but I wouldn't count on
that.) It's amazing how brainwashed people are to favor one side of
politics over the other; all it does is increase the size and power of
government in total. Reagan was right (although he fucked up a lot of
things too) - government IS the problem. Vote third party or write-in
someone sensible like Ron Paul.
Re: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?
"greego" <greg.w.lindsay@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:57410c62-15b6-4a4a-a4cb-345b0432b2c9@1g2000prg.googlegroups,com ...
> On May 2, 8:26 am, "Elvis Kabong" <ampscie...@tuneland,com > wrote:
>> Thanks to greedy "business before people" asshole repugs,
>
> The rebublicans are to blame for a lot, but it's pointless and
> immature to blame them for every problem in the US.
>
>> we have this stupid "war" in Iraq,
>
> yep, largely bush's fault but plenty of dems were in support at the
> time.
>
>> overpriced gasoline,
>
> caused by a falling dollar (blame the Fed's easy credit for that),
> reduced supply (not really the government's fault but they could tap
> the strategic reserves to relieve pressure) and the war (see above).
>
>> a fucked up housing market,
>
> blame the Fed for easy credit creating a bubble and then bailing out
> the failing banks, idiot buyers who couldn't afford them in the first
> place and speculators - not really the government's fault although
> they should be reigning in the Fed or abolishing it altogether to stop
> these bubbles forming.
>
>> high ass grocery prices,
>
> blame the falling dollar (the Fed).
>
>> a wretchedly failing economy,
>
> too vague to assign blame.
>
>> overpaid CEOs,
>
> not the government's concern although it's clearly a market distortion
> and is a symptom of more fundamental problems.
>
>> job downsizing,
>
> same.
>
>> job outsourcing
>
> same.
>
>> union busting
>
> can be a good thing, although again it's not really the government's
> problem as they should be voluntary collectives.
>
>> a monopolistic corporate tyranny controlling our government
>
> yep, but it's just as bad on the Dems side and it's been bad for a
> long time.
>
>> and our airwaves
>
> Shouldn't be the government's concern however the FCC is largely to
> blame for the concentration of media ownership.
>
>> organized ultra rich elitists swindling
>> our government,
>
> already covered above
>
>> over-priced medical care and medicine
>
> I guarantee you that universal healthcare/single payer solutions will
> worsen these problems not solve them - it will drive the cost of
> healthcare through the roof and decrease the quality of service.
> Michael Moore is full of shit.
>
>> a devalued dollar, inflation,
>
> Blame the Fed.
>
>> a bloated government of waste,
>
> Both sides are as bad as each other.
>
>> fraud and abuse,
>
> ?
>
>> an impotent FDA and impotent EPA
>
> How will increasing their powers solve the problem and what is the
> problem precisely?
>
>> along with other agencies hindered from doing their job,
>
> like who?
>
>> failing infrastructures all around the country, obtuse priorities
>> like Terry Schiavo while disregarding the threat of global
>> warming and on and on and on. Yet we have economics
>> geniuses and other pencilnecks and Duhbya bouncing all
>> sorts of theories about what to do about the failing economy
>> and simply overlooking the fact that their fifedom ideology
>> is the fucking cause of it all - suck up all of the money from
>> the middle class and the poor and who's left over who can
>> afford to buy their stinkin' products and keep their businesses
>> growing? Retardicons voted for this shit - fuck 'em
>
> blah, blah, blah. You are an absolute fool if you think that the Dems
> will do any better (except perhaps end the war but I wouldn't count on
> that.) It's amazing how brainwashed people are to favor one side of
> politics over the other; all it does is increase the size and power of
> government in total. Reagan was right (although he fucked up a lot of
> things too) - government IS the problem. Vote third party or write-in
> someone sensible like Ron Paul.
I plan to vote 3rd party. I'm a registered Independent,
however as you suggest Ron Paul, I'm considering
Obama. Still completely undecided presently.
BTW, I'd like you to prove Michael Moore is full of shit.
Have you ever read any of his books? Or have you
just relied on propagandist pundits biased reviews to form
your opinion?
I can't believe that you are unable to perceive that almost
everything the Duhbya administration has done is to shift
powers to the elite rich and corporate (the "Haves and
Have-mores" his favorite base) so they can suck up
the money supply and the Treasury while the rest of us
peons, serfs and pawns in their fifedom ideology can't
afford to buy the products we don't need but they want
us to have by going into deep debt doo doo instead of
using the Henry Ford model of making sure his employees
could afford to own one of his products.
I didn't say that the Dems would do better, but do you
want more of Bush by voting for McCain?
The only contemporary candidate I had hope for was
Howard Dean who refused to take donations over $100
which meant he couldn't be bought off by the ultra rich
and corporate. I thought I saw a report that Obama
is doing the same thing, but I haven't seen it confirmed.
That is my primary litmus test for whoever is running.
But I'm fully aware that the DNC did not want Dean because
they are *also* in the pockets of the rich and corporate
like the republicans have been for even longer. So, of course
I don't expect the democrats in general to do any better,
but there's the likelyhood a certain democratic candidate
may just turn out to be sensible like republican candidate
Ron Paul is as you suggest. And if he runs as a 3rd party
candidate, he just likely may get my vote.
So do you endorse business before people?
BTW, what is your answer to the question in the subject field?
Do you think our government should perform its 6 duties?
1 - form a more perfect union
2 - establish justice
3 - insure domestic tranquility
4 - provide for the common defense
5 - promote the general welfare
6 - secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity
Or do you have a problem with any of that?
"greego" <greg.w.lindsay@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:57410c62-15b6-4a4a-a4cb-345b0432b2c9@1g2000prg.googlegroups,com ...
> On May 2, 8:26 am, "Elvis Kabong" <ampscie...@tuneland,com > wrote:
>> Thanks to greedy "business before people" asshole repugs,
>
> The rebublicans are to blame for a lot, but it's pointless and
> immature to blame them for every problem in the US.
>
>> we have this stupid "war" in Iraq,
>
> yep, largely bush's fault but plenty of dems were in support at the
> time.
>
>> overpriced gasoline,
>
> caused by a falling dollar (blame the Fed's easy credit for that),
> reduced supply (not really the government's fault but they could tap
> the strategic reserves to relieve pressure) and the war (see above).
>
>> a fucked up housing market,
>
> blame the Fed for easy credit creating a bubble and then bailing out
> the failing banks, idiot buyers who couldn't afford them in the first
> place and speculators - not really the government's fault although
> they should be reigning in the Fed or abolishing it altogether to stop
> these bubbles forming.
>
>> high ass grocery prices,
>
> blame the falling dollar (the Fed).
>
>> a wretchedly failing economy,
>
> too vague to assign blame.
>
>> overpaid CEOs,
>
> not the government's concern although it's clearly a market distortion
> and is a symptom of more fundamental problems.
>
>> job downsizing,
>
> same.
>
>> job outsourcing
>
> same.
>
>> union busting
>
> can be a good thing, although again it's not really the government's
> problem as they should be voluntary collectives.
>
>> a monopolistic corporate tyranny controlling our government
>
> yep, but it's just as bad on the Dems side and it's been bad for a
> long time.
>
>> and our airwaves
>
> Shouldn't be the government's concern however the FCC is largely to
> blame for the concentration of media ownership.
>
>> organized ultra rich elitists swindling
>> our government,
>
> already covered above
>
>> over-priced medical care and medicine
>
> I guarantee you that universal healthcare/single payer solutions will
> worsen these problems not solve them - it will drive the cost of
> healthcare through the roof and decrease the quality of service.
> Michael Moore is full of shit.
>
>> a devalued dollar, inflation,
>
> Blame the Fed.
>
>> a bloated government of waste,
>
> Both sides are as bad as each other.
>
>> fraud and abuse,
>
> ?
>
>> an impotent FDA and impotent EPA
>
> How will increasing their powers solve the problem and what is the
> problem precisely?
>
>> along with other agencies hindered from doing their job,
>
> like who?
>
>> failing infrastructures all around the country, obtuse priorities
>> like Terry Schiavo while disregarding the threat of global
>> warming and on and on and on. Yet we have economics
>> geniuses and other pencilnecks and Duhbya bouncing all
>> sorts of theories about what to do about the failing economy
>> and simply overlooking the fact that their fifedom ideology
>> is the fucking cause of it all - suck up all of the money from
>> the middle class and the poor and who's left over who can
>> afford to buy their stinkin' products and keep their businesses
>> growing? Retardicons voted for this shit - fuck 'em
>
> blah, blah, blah. You are an absolute fool if you think that the Dems
> will do any better (except perhaps end the war but I wouldn't count on
> that.) It's amazing how brainwashed people are to favor one side of
> politics over the other; all it does is increase the size and power of
> government in total. Reagan was right (although he fucked up a lot of
> things too) - government IS the problem. Vote third party or write-in
> someone sensible like Ron Paul.
I plan to vote 3rd party. I'm a registered Independent,
however as you suggest Ron Paul, I'm considering
Obama. Still completely undecided presently.
BTW, I'd like you to prove Michael Moore is full of shit.
Have you ever read any of his books? Or have you
just relied on propagandist pundits biased reviews to form
your opinion?
I can't believe that you are unable to perceive that almost
everything the Duhbya administration has done is to shift
powers to the elite rich and corporate (the "Haves and
Have-mores" his favorite base) so they can suck up
the money supply and the Treasury while the rest of us
peons, serfs and pawns in their fifedom ideology can't
afford to buy the products we don't need but they want
us to have by going into deep debt doo doo instead of
using the Henry Ford model of making sure his employees
could afford to own one of his products.
I didn't say that the Dems would do better, but do you
want more of Bush by voting for McCain?
The only contemporary candidate I had hope for was
Howard Dean who refused to take donations over $100
which meant he couldn't be bought off by the ultra rich
and corporate. I thought I saw a report that Obama
is doing the same thing, but I haven't seen it confirmed.
That is my primary litmus test for whoever is running.
But I'm fully aware that the DNC did not want Dean because
they are *also* in the pockets of the rich and corporate
like the republicans have been for even longer. So, of course
I don't expect the democrats in general to do any better,
but there's the likelyhood a certain democratic candidate
may just turn out to be sensible like republican candidate
Ron Paul is as you suggest. And if he runs as a 3rd party
candidate, he just likely may get my vote.
So do you endorse business before people?
BTW, what is your answer to the question in the subject field?
Do you think our government should perform its 6 duties?
1 - form a more perfect union
2 - establish justice
3 - insure domestic tranquility
4 - provide for the common defense
5 - promote the general welfare
6 - secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity
Or do you have a problem with any of that?
Re: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?
Elvis Kabong wrote:
> "greego" <greg.w.lindsay@gmail,com > wrote in message
> news:57410c62-15b6-4a4a-a4cb-345b0432b2c9@1g2000prg.googlegroups,com ...
>> On May 2, 8:26 am, "Elvis Kabong" <ampscie...@tuneland,com > wrote:
>>> Thanks to greedy "business before people" asshole repugs,
>> The rebublicans are to blame for a lot, but it's pointless and
>> immature to blame them for every problem in the US.
>>
>>> we have this stupid "war" in Iraq,
>> yep, largely bush's fault but plenty of dems were in support at the
>> time.
>>
>>> overpriced gasoline,
>> caused by a falling dollar (blame the Fed's easy credit for that),
>> reduced supply (not really the government's fault but they could tap
>> the strategic reserves to relieve pressure) and the war (see above).
>>
>>> a fucked up housing market,
>> blame the Fed for easy credit creating a bubble and then bailing out
>> the failing banks, idiot buyers who couldn't afford them in the first
>> place and speculators - not really the government's fault although
>> they should be reigning in the Fed or abolishing it altogether to stop
>> these bubbles forming.
>>
>>> high ass grocery prices,
>> blame the falling dollar (the Fed).
>>
>>> a wretchedly failing economy,
>> too vague to assign blame.
>>
>>> overpaid CEOs,
>> not the government's concern although it's clearly a market distortion
>> and is a symptom of more fundamental problems.
>>
>>> job downsizing,
>> same.
>>
>>> job outsourcing
>> same.
>>
>>> union busting
>> can be a good thing, although again it's not really the government's
>> problem as they should be voluntary collectives.
>>
>>> a monopolistic corporate tyranny controlling our government
>> yep, but it's just as bad on the Dems side and it's been bad for a
>> long time.
>>
>>> and our airwaves
>> Shouldn't be the government's concern however the FCC is largely to
>> blame for the concentration of media ownership.
>>
>>> organized ultra rich elitists swindling
>>> our government,
>> already covered above
>>
>>> over-priced medical care and medicine
>> I guarantee you that universal healthcare/single payer solutions will
>> worsen these problems not solve them - it will drive the cost of
>> healthcare through the roof and decrease the quality of service.
>> Michael Moore is full of shit.
>>
>>> a devalued dollar, inflation,
>> Blame the Fed.
>>
>>> a bloated government of waste,
>> Both sides are as bad as each other.
>>
>>> fraud and abuse,
>> ?
>>
>>> an impotent FDA and impotent EPA
>> How will increasing their powers solve the problem and what is the
>> problem precisely?
>>
>>> along with other agencies hindered from doing their job,
>> like who?
>>
>>> failing infrastructures all around the country, obtuse priorities
>>> like Terry Schiavo while disregarding the threat of global
>>> warming and on and on and on. Yet we have economics
>>> geniuses and other pencilnecks and Duhbya bouncing all
>>> sorts of theories about what to do about the failing economy
>>> and simply overlooking the fact that their fifedom ideology
>>> is the fucking cause of it all - suck up all of the money from
>>> the middle class and the poor and who's left over who can
>>> afford to buy their stinkin' products and keep their businesses
>>> growing? Retardicons voted for this shit - fuck 'em
>> blah, blah, blah. You are an absolute fool if you think that the Dems
>> will do any better (except perhaps end the war but I wouldn't count on
>> that.) It's amazing how brainwashed people are to favor one side of
>> politics over the other; all it does is increase the size and power of
>> government in total. Reagan was right (although he fucked up a lot of
>> things too) - government IS the problem. Vote third party or write-in
>> someone sensible like Ron Paul.
>
> I plan to vote 3rd party. I'm a registered Independent,
> however as you suggest Ron Paul, I'm considering
> Obama. Still completely undecided presently.
>
> BTW, I'd like you to prove Michael Moore is full of shit.
> Have you ever read any of his books? Or have you
> just relied on propagandist pundits biased reviews to form
> your opinion?
>
> I can't believe that you are unable to perceive that almost
> everything the Duhbya administration has done is to shift
> powers to the elite rich and corporate (the "Haves and
> Have-mores" his favorite base) so they can suck up
> the money supply and the Treasury while the rest of us
> peons, serfs and pawns in their fifedom ideology can't
> afford to buy the products we don't need but they want
> us to have by going into deep debt doo doo instead of
> using the Henry Ford model of making sure his employees
> could afford to own one of his products.
>
> I didn't say that the Dems would do better, but do you
> want more of Bush by voting for McCain?
>
> The only contemporary candidate I had hope for was
> Howard Dean who refused to take donations over $100
> which meant he couldn't be bought off by the ultra rich
> and corporate. I thought I saw a report that Obama
> is doing the same thing, but I haven't seen it confirmed.
> That is my primary litmus test for whoever is running.
> But I'm fully aware that the DNC did not want Dean because
> they are *also* in the pockets of the rich and corporate
> like the republicans have been for even longer. So, of course
> I don't expect the democrats in general to do any better,
> but there's the likelyhood a certain democratic candidate
> may just turn out to be sensible like republican candidate
> Ron Paul is as you suggest. And if he runs as a 3rd party
> candidate, he just likely may get my vote.
>
> So do you endorse business before people?
> BTW, what is your answer to the question in the subject field?
> Do you think our government should perform its 6 duties?
> 1 - form a more perfect union
> 2 - establish justice
> 3 - insure domestic tranquility
> 4 - provide for the common defense
> 5 - promote the general welfare
> 6 - secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity
>
> Or do you have a problem with any of that?
>
>
>
>
>
Ed you can rest assured that these guys have not read Alan Greenspan's
Autobiography, or anything written either by George Soros or Michael Moore.
*IF* they're book readers at all, they read trash produced by Hannity,
Coulter or O'Reilly. All emotion, hay8 and blame, little substance,
thought and/or historical perspective with integrity.
They'd do well to better grasp your 1-6 above, by starting w/
A. A Peoples History of the United States (Howard Zinn) or
B. slaverybyanothername,com (Douglas Blackmon)
However, most humans are creatures of emotion, concerning themselves
with fear or greed, not intellectual considerations of right, wrong.
Regards,
mvm
Elvis Kabong wrote:
> "greego" <greg.w.lindsay@gmail,com > wrote in message
> news:57410c62-15b6-4a4a-a4cb-345b0432b2c9@1g2000prg.googlegroups,com ...
>> On May 2, 8:26 am, "Elvis Kabong" <ampscie...@tuneland,com > wrote:
>>> Thanks to greedy "business before people" asshole repugs,
>> The rebublicans are to blame for a lot, but it's pointless and
>> immature to blame them for every problem in the US.
>>
>>> we have this stupid "war" in Iraq,
>> yep, largely bush's fault but plenty of dems were in support at the
>> time.
>>
>>> overpriced gasoline,
>> caused by a falling dollar (blame the Fed's easy credit for that),
>> reduced supply (not really the government's fault but they could tap
>> the strategic reserves to relieve pressure) and the war (see above).
>>
>>> a fucked up housing market,
>> blame the Fed for easy credit creating a bubble and then bailing out
>> the failing banks, idiot buyers who couldn't afford them in the first
>> place and speculators - not really the government's fault although
>> they should be reigning in the Fed or abolishing it altogether to stop
>> these bubbles forming.
>>
>>> high ass grocery prices,
>> blame the falling dollar (the Fed).
>>
>>> a wretchedly failing economy,
>> too vague to assign blame.
>>
>>> overpaid CEOs,
>> not the government's concern although it's clearly a market distortion
>> and is a symptom of more fundamental problems.
>>
>>> job downsizing,
>> same.
>>
>>> job outsourcing
>> same.
>>
>>> union busting
>> can be a good thing, although again it's not really the government's
>> problem as they should be voluntary collectives.
>>
>>> a monopolistic corporate tyranny controlling our government
>> yep, but it's just as bad on the Dems side and it's been bad for a
>> long time.
>>
>>> and our airwaves
>> Shouldn't be the government's concern however the FCC is largely to
>> blame for the concentration of media ownership.
>>
>>> organized ultra rich elitists swindling
>>> our government,
>> already covered above
>>
>>> over-priced medical care and medicine
>> I guarantee you that universal healthcare/single payer solutions will
>> worsen these problems not solve them - it will drive the cost of
>> healthcare through the roof and decrease the quality of service.
>> Michael Moore is full of shit.
>>
>>> a devalued dollar, inflation,
>> Blame the Fed.
>>
>>> a bloated government of waste,
>> Both sides are as bad as each other.
>>
>>> fraud and abuse,
>> ?
>>
>>> an impotent FDA and impotent EPA
>> How will increasing their powers solve the problem and what is the
>> problem precisely?
>>
>>> along with other agencies hindered from doing their job,
>> like who?
>>
>>> failing infrastructures all around the country, obtuse priorities
>>> like Terry Schiavo while disregarding the threat of global
>>> warming and on and on and on. Yet we have economics
>>> geniuses and other pencilnecks and Duhbya bouncing all
>>> sorts of theories about what to do about the failing economy
>>> and simply overlooking the fact that their fifedom ideology
>>> is the fucking cause of it all - suck up all of the money from
>>> the middle class and the poor and who's left over who can
>>> afford to buy their stinkin' products and keep their businesses
>>> growing? Retardicons voted for this shit - fuck 'em
>> blah, blah, blah. You are an absolute fool if you think that the Dems
>> will do any better (except perhaps end the war but I wouldn't count on
>> that.) It's amazing how brainwashed people are to favor one side of
>> politics over the other; all it does is increase the size and power of
>> government in total. Reagan was right (although he fucked up a lot of
>> things too) - government IS the problem. Vote third party or write-in
>> someone sensible like Ron Paul.
>
> I plan to vote 3rd party. I'm a registered Independent,
> however as you suggest Ron Paul, I'm considering
> Obama. Still completely undecided presently.
>
> BTW, I'd like you to prove Michael Moore is full of shit.
> Have you ever read any of his books? Or have you
> just relied on propagandist pundits biased reviews to form
> your opinion?
>
> I can't believe that you are unable to perceive that almost
> everything the Duhbya administration has done is to shift
> powers to the elite rich and corporate (the "Haves and
> Have-mores" his favorite base) so they can suck up
> the money supply and the Treasury while the rest of us
> peons, serfs and pawns in their fifedom ideology can't
> afford to buy the products we don't need but they want
> us to have by going into deep debt doo doo instead of
> using the Henry Ford model of making sure his employees
> could afford to own one of his products.
>
> I didn't say that the Dems would do better, but do you
> want more of Bush by voting for McCain?
>
> The only contemporary candidate I had hope for was
> Howard Dean who refused to take donations over $100
> which meant he couldn't be bought off by the ultra rich
> and corporate. I thought I saw a report that Obama
> is doing the same thing, but I haven't seen it confirmed.
> That is my primary litmus test for whoever is running.
> But I'm fully aware that the DNC did not want Dean because
> they are *also* in the pockets of the rich and corporate
> like the republicans have been for even longer. So, of course
> I don't expect the democrats in general to do any better,
> but there's the likelyhood a certain democratic candidate
> may just turn out to be sensible like republican candidate
> Ron Paul is as you suggest. And if he runs as a 3rd party
> candidate, he just likely may get my vote.
>
> So do you endorse business before people?
> BTW, what is your answer to the question in the subject field?
> Do you think our government should perform its 6 duties?
> 1 - form a more perfect union
> 2 - establish justice
> 3 - insure domestic tranquility
> 4 - provide for the common defense
> 5 - promote the general welfare
> 6 - secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity
>
> Or do you have a problem with any of that?
>
>
>
>
>
Ed you can rest assured that these guys have not read Alan Greenspan's
Autobiography, or anything written either by George Soros or Michael Moore.
*IF* they're book readers at all, they read trash produced by Hannity,
Coulter or O'Reilly. All emotion, hay8 and blame, little substance,
thought and/or historical perspective with integrity.
They'd do well to better grasp your 1-6 above, by starting w/
A. A Peoples History of the United States (Howard Zinn) or
B. slaverybyanothername,com (Douglas Blackmon)
However, most humans are creatures of emotion, concerning themselves
with fear or greed, not intellectual considerations of right, wrong.
Regards,
mvm
Re: Blum makes idiot post of the year!
On May 2, 12:09=EF=BF=BDam, "Elvis Kabong" <ampscie...@tuneland,com > wrote:
>
> BTW, I'd like you to prove Michael Moore is full of shit.
> Have you ever read any of his books? Or have you
> just relied on propagandist pundits biased reviews to form
> your opinion?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA
DUMBFUCK POST OF THE YEAR!
No wonder you're a fucking shithead that can't sell amps.
WHo the fuck would buy from a psycho who thinks Mike Moore isn't a lib
propagandist?
He stole everything the Nazis did against the Jews.
Blum =3D idiot of the year.
On May 2, 12:09=EF=BF=BDam, "Elvis Kabong" <ampscie...@tuneland,com > wrote:
>
> BTW, I'd like you to prove Michael Moore is full of shit.
> Have you ever read any of his books? Or have you
> just relied on propagandist pundits biased reviews to form
> your opinion?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA
DUMBFUCK POST OF THE YEAR!
No wonder you're a fucking shithead that can't sell amps.
WHo the fuck would buy from a psycho who thinks Mike Moore isn't a lib
propagandist?
He stole everything the Nazis did against the Jews.
Blum =3D idiot of the year.
Re: GWB Most Unpopular President Ever?
On May 2, 5:09 pm, "Elvis Kabong" <ampscie...@tuneland,com > wrote:
>
> So do you endorse business before people?
The question is flawed - individual liberty leads to voluntary trade
that is generally beneficial to society. It's government intervention
that I don't endorse.
> BTW, what is your answer to the question in the subject field?
I don't think it's an important question but I'd say he's one of the
worst - Woodrow Wilson would probably be my no.1 for introducing the
income tax and creating the Fed.
> Do you think our government should perform its 6 duties?
> 1 - form a more perfect union
I don't know what that means
> 2 - establish justice
'protect liberty' is more accurate
> 3 - insure domestic tranquility
sure
> 4 - provide for the common defense
sure
> 5 - promote the general welfare
if this means stealing from me to give to you, no. If you want to
install forced charity, have the balls to do it at the local level.
Federal government is not the place for it.
> 6 - secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity
If you mean protect liberty, sure
> Or do you have a problem with any of that?
I'll simplify it for you - the Federal government's job is to protect
liberty. That's it. Anything else you should argue for at a more
manageable level of government.
BTW, with respect to Michael Moore: 'Sicko' is specifically what I'm
referring to when I say he's full of shit - socialised medicine leads
to higher prices and poorer service due to moral hazard. People will
overuse the service and doctors will end up charging higher prices and
providing less competitive service due to the system being funded by
an uninvolved third party.
On May 2, 5:09 pm, "Elvis Kabong" <ampscie...@tuneland,com > wrote:
>
> So do you endorse business before people?
The question is flawed - individual liberty leads to voluntary trade
that is generally beneficial to society. It's government intervention
that I don't endorse.
> BTW, what is your answer to the question in the subject field?
I don't think it's an important question but I'd say he's one of the
worst - Woodrow Wilson would probably be my no.1 for introducing the
income tax and creating the Fed.
> Do you think our government should perform its 6 duties?
> 1 - form a more perfect union
I don't know what that means
> 2 - establish justice
'protect liberty' is more accurate
> 3 - insure domestic tranquility
sure
> 4 - provide for the common defense
sure
> 5 - promote the general welfare
if this means stealing from me to give to you, no. If you want to
install forced charity, have the balls to do it at the local level.
Federal government is not the place for it.
> 6 - secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity
If you mean protect liberty, sure
> Or do you have a problem with any of that?
I'll simplify it for you - the Federal government's job is to protect
liberty. That's it. Anything else you should argue for at a more
manageable level of government.
BTW, with respect to Michael Moore: 'Sicko' is specifically what I'm
referring to when I say he's full of shit - socialised medicine leads
to higher prices and poorer service due to moral hazard. People will
overuse the service and doctors will end up charging higher prices and
providing less competitive service due to the system being funded by
an uninvolved third party.
