Germanium

Re: Germanium

Pete wrote:

> "Premier Spigot" <bighorseshoebob@yahoo,com > wrote in message
> news:f283c39d-90bc-4397-ad83-6cab691083f3@l64g2000hse.googlegroups,com ...
> On May 10, 9:21 am, Lord Valve <detri...@ix,net com,com > wrote:
> > Premier Spigot wrote:
> > > On May 9, 2:56 pm, 100550.3...@compuserve,com (MG) wrote:
> > > > Hi
> >
> > > > Suddenly, there is a lot of Buzz(!) about Germanium transistors in
> > > > boutique effects etc. I have a couple of 70's effects and an amp that
> > > > contains these and no-way do they sound any better than
> > > > silicone/modern equivalents. Why are people going mad for them all of
> > > > a sudden??
> >
> > > > Am I missing something?
> >
> > > > MG
> > > > UK
> >
> > > On Germ. transistors, Davis' and Lord Valve's replies are both worth a
> > > fuck hole. One's based on excess and the other is punchy. Bullshitters
> > > 101. Not to say that there isn't a pack of nonsense (the "holy grail
> > > x'istor types) associated with the generic topic, but there *is* a
> > > sonic difference. Try a FF or a RM clone, etc., using silicon and,
> > > bzzzzzzzzt, they suck. If you disagree, then you are also clueless.
> >
> > Cornflakes + pee = Premier Spigot.
> >
> > Like I said - a *serious* jones. Good luck with that...
> >
> > Lord Valve
> > BaaaaarrrrrrAAAAAACCCCCCKKKKK!!! <Safety!>- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Pssst, hey chubby. You hype up vacuum tubes and sell them from a
> dirty, cluttered, small and miserable dwelling. You didn't come up
> with the cure for cancer, etc. You just *think* you've conquered so
> much.
>
> So.... what are YOU offering for tubes and matching?
> Are your prices better than LV's? Is your service?
> BTW-who the fuck are you? At least LV doesnt hide behind
> a bullshit handle, everyone knows who he is and where to find him,
> and at least he's got the balls to post a REAL phone number and
> a REAL e-mail and a REAL address to his shop.
>
> You on the other hand, you are a spineless cunt.

Naw, he ain't no cunt.

He just has a severe case of The Willies. He may never
get over it - some don't - but it's kinda cute, actually. It
really doesn't matter what I post - he'll pee on it. He hates
my blue hat. He hates it that I drive a full-sized vehicle
('07 Sprinter) rather than some pitiful piece of eco-shit
("Smart Car") that would get pWN3d in a head-on with
a Vespa. He thinks his church lady plays better piano
than I do. He says I have PAD. I'm turnin' blue. I wheeze.
I work from a "dwelling." I'm fat. I have coonhounds. (He
probably thinks I own them just so I can type "coon.")
Hell, if I said the sky was fuckin' blue, he'd spend a
couple of weeks trying to prove it was actually red.
(Don't laugh - it's been done.)

Cunt? No...just someone with a jones that won't go
away. What a bitch, eh? Maybe he can sign up for
a 12-step program - "Valve Anonymous."

"Hi, I'm Spigot, and I hate LV."

"Hi, Spigot!"

Watch this space. ;-)


Lord Valve
Wing Commander, Black Helicopter Squadron 7734
Founder, HARM (Heavily Armed Rightwing Maniacs)
Uberrohrenfuhrer, Thousand Year Glass Reich
Drand Dragoon, Knights of the Thermionic Clan
Charter Member, VRC
Purveyor of Fine Thermionic Amplification Devices to the Tours
Good Friend of He Who Must Not Be Named (and His Old Lady)
His High Holy Thermionically Radiant Majesty
And So Forth

Re: Germanium


"Pete" <a.anitoli@verizon,net > wrote in message
news:8GBVj.144$ll1.80@trndny06...
>
> "Premier Spigot" <bighorseshoebob@yahoo,com > wrote in message
> news:f283c39d-90bc-4397-ad83-6cab691083f3@l64g2000hse.googlegroups,com ...
> On May 10, 9:21 am, Lord Valve <detri...@ix,net com,com > wrote:
>> Premier Spigot wrote:
>> > On May 9, 2:56 pm, 100550.3...@compuserve,com (MG) wrote:
>> > > Hi
>>
>> > > Suddenly, there is a lot of Buzz(!) about Germanium transistors in
>> > > boutique effects etc. I have a couple of 70's effects and an amp that
>> > > contains these and no-way do they sound any better than
>> > > silicone/modern equivalents. Why are people going mad for them all of
>> > > a sudden??
>>
>> > > Am I missing something?
>>
>> > > MG
>> > > UK
>>
>> > On Germ. transistors, Davis' and Lord Valve's replies are both worth a
>> > fuck hole. One's based on excess and the other is punchy. Bullshitters
>> > 101. Not to say that there isn't a pack of nonsense (the "holy grail
>> > x'istor types) associated with the generic topic, but there *is* a
>> > sonic difference. Try a FF or a RM clone, etc., using silicon and,
>> > bzzzzzzzzt, they suck. If you disagree, then you are also clueless.
>>
>> Cornflakes + pee = Premier Spigot.
>>
>> Like I said - a *serious* jones. Good luck with that...
>>
>> Lord Valve
>> BaaaaarrrrrrAAAAAACCCCCCKKKKK!!! <Safety!>- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Pssst, hey chubby. You hype up vacuum tubes and sell them from a
> dirty, cluttered, small and miserable dwelling. You didn't come up
> with the cure for cancer, etc. You just *think* you've conquered so
> much.
>
> So.... what are YOU offering for tubes and matching?
> Are your prices better than LV's? Is your service?
> BTW-who the fuck are you? At least LV doesnt hide behind
> a bullshit handle, everyone knows who he is and where to find him,
> and at least he's got the balls to post a REAL phone number and
> a REAL e-mail and a REAL address to his shop.
>
> You on the other hand, you are a spineless cunt.

And you are nothing but a brown-nose slimy suckass
and drooling toady expecting a discount from wet fart
willy the fart bottler of fascist vibe, smegma coated
mediocre commie tubes, by trying to come to his rescue.
Retarded loser.

Re: Germanium

Elvis Kabong wrote:
> "Pete" <a.anitoli@verizon,net > wrote in message
> news:8GBVj.144$ll1.80@trndny06...
>> "Premier Spigot" <bighorseshoebob@yahoo,com > wrote in message
>> news:f283c39d-90bc-4397-ad83-6cab691083f3@l64g2000hse.googlegroups,com ...
>> On May 10, 9:21 am, Lord Valve <detri...@ix,net com,com > wrote:
>>> Premier Spigot wrote:
>>>> On May 9, 2:56 pm, 100550.3...@compuserve,com (MG) wrote:
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> Suddenly, there is a lot of Buzz(!) about Germanium transistors in
>>>>> boutique effects etc. I have a couple of 70's effects and an amp that
>>>>> contains these and no-way do they sound any better than
>>>>> silicone/modern equivalents. Why are people going mad for them all of
>>>>> a sudden??
>>>>> Am I missing something?
>>>>> MG
>>>>> UK
>>>> On Germ. transistors, Davis' and Lord Valve's replies are both worth a
>>>> fuck hole. One's based on excess and the other is punchy. Bullshitters
>>>> 101. Not to say that there isn't a pack of nonsense (the "holy grail
>>>> x'istor types) associated with the generic topic, but there *is* a
>>>> sonic difference. Try a FF or a RM clone, etc., using silicon and,
>>>> bzzzzzzzzt, they suck. If you disagree, then you are also clueless.
>>> Cornflakes + pee = Premier Spigot.
>>>
>>> Like I said - a *serious* jones. Good luck with that...
>>>
>>> Lord Valve
>>> BaaaaarrrrrrAAAAAACCCCCCKKKKK!!! <Safety!>- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> Pssst, hey chubby. You hype up vacuum tubes and sell them from a
>> dirty, cluttered, small and miserable dwelling. You didn't come up
>> with the cure for cancer, etc. You just *think* you've conquered so
>> much.
>>
>> So.... what are YOU offering for tubes and matching?
>> Are your prices better than LV's? Is your service?
>> BTW-who the fuck are you? At least LV doesnt hide behind
>> a bullshit handle, everyone knows who he is and where to find him,
>> and at least he's got the balls to post a REAL phone number and
>> a REAL e-mail and a REAL address to his shop.
>>
>> You on the other hand, you are a spineless cunt.
>
> And you are nothing but a brown-nose slimy suckass
> and drooling toady expecting a discount from wet fart
> willy the fart bottler of fascist vibe, smegma coated
> mediocre commie tubes, by trying to come to his rescue.
> Retarded loser.
>
>
Wait....he gives discounts??? Hey!!!

Re: Germanium

TD Madden wrote:

> Elvis Kabong wrote:
> > "Pete" <a.anitoli@verizon,net > wrote in message
> > news:8GBVj.144$ll1.80@trndny06...
> >> "Premier Spigot" <bighorseshoebob@yahoo,com > wrote in message
> >> news:f283c39d-90bc-4397-ad83-6cab691083f3@l64g2000hse.googlegroups,com ...
> >> On May 10, 9:21 am, Lord Valve <detri...@ix,net com,com > wrote:
> >>> Premier Spigot wrote:
> >>>> On May 9, 2:56 pm, 100550.3...@compuserve,com (MG) wrote:
> >>>>> Hi
> >>>>> Suddenly, there is a lot of Buzz(!) about Germanium transistors in
> >>>>> boutique effects etc. I have a couple of 70's effects and an amp that
> >>>>> contains these and no-way do they sound any better than
> >>>>> silicone/modern equivalents. Why are people going mad for them all of
> >>>>> a sudden??
> >>>>> Am I missing something?
> >>>>> MG
> >>>>> UK
> >>>> On Germ. transistors, Davis' and Lord Valve's replies are both worth a
> >>>> fuck hole. One's based on excess and the other is punchy. Bullshitters
> >>>> 101. Not to say that there isn't a pack of nonsense (the "holy grail
> >>>> x'istor types) associated with the generic topic, but there *is* a
> >>>> sonic difference. Try a FF or a RM clone, etc., using silicon and,
> >>>> bzzzzzzzzt, they suck. If you disagree, then you are also clueless.
> >>> Cornflakes + pee = Premier Spigot.
> >>>
> >>> Like I said - a *serious* jones. Good luck with that...
> >>>
> >>> Lord Valve
> >>> BaaaaarrrrrrAAAAAACCCCCCKKKKK!!! <Safety!>- Hide quoted text -
> >>>
> >>> - Show quoted text -
> >> Pssst, hey chubby. You hype up vacuum tubes and sell them from a
> >> dirty, cluttered, small and miserable dwelling. You didn't come up
> >> with the cure for cancer, etc. You just *think* you've conquered so
> >> much.
> >>
> >> So.... what are YOU offering for tubes and matching?
> >> Are your prices better than LV's? Is your service?
> >> BTW-who the fuck are you? At least LV doesnt hide behind
> >> a bullshit handle, everyone knows who he is and where to find him,
> >> and at least he's got the balls to post a REAL phone number and
> >> a REAL e-mail and a REAL address to his shop.
> >>
> >> You on the other hand, you are a spineless cunt.
> >
> > And you are nothing but a brown-nose slimy suckass
> > and drooling toady expecting a discount from wet fart
> > willy the fart bottler of fascist vibe, smegma coated
> > mediocre commie tubes, by trying to come to his rescue.
> > Retarded loser.
> >
> >
> Wait....he gives discounts??? Hey!!!

I do? Hey!!!

Lord Valve
10% off - no assholes need apply (you know who you are)

Re: Germanium

On May 11, 8:31 am, "Pete" <a.anit...@verizon,net > wrote:
> "Premier Spigot" <bighorseshoe...@yahoo,com > wrote in message
>
> news:f283c39d-90bc-4397-ad83-6cab691083f3@l64g2000hse.googlegroups,com ...
> On May 10, 9:21 am, Lord Valve <detri...@ix,net com,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Premier Spigot wrote:
> > > On May 9, 2:56 pm, 100550.3...@compuserve,com (MG) wrote:
> > > > Hi
>
> > > > Suddenly, there is a lot of Buzz(!) about Germanium transistors in
> > > > boutique effects etc. I have a couple of 70's effects and an amp that
> > > > contains these and no-way do they sound any better than
> > > > silicone/modern equivalents. Why are people going mad for them all of
> > > > a sudden??
>
> > > > Am I missing something?
>
> > > > MG
> > > > UK
>
> > > On Germ. transistors, Davis' and Lord Valve's replies are both worth a
> > > fuck hole. One's based on excess and the other is punchy. Bullshitters
> > > 101. Not to say that there isn't a pack of nonsense (the "holy grail
> > > x'istor types) associated with the generic topic, but there *is* a
> > > sonic difference. Try a FF or a RM clone, etc., using silicon and,
> > > bzzzzzzzzt, they suck. If you disagree, then you are also clueless.
>
> > Cornflakes + pee = Premier Spigot.
>
> > Like I said - a *serious* jones. Good luck with that...
>
> > Lord Valve
> > BaaaaarrrrrrAAAAAACCCCCCKKKKK!!! <Safety!>- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Pssst, hey chubby. You hype up vacuum tubes and sell them from a
> dirty, cluttered, small and miserable dwelling. You didn't come up
> with the cure for cancer, etc. You just *think* you've conquered so
> much.
>
> So.... what are YOU offering for tubes and matching?
> Are your prices better than LV's? Is your service?
> BTW-who the fuck are you? At least LV doesnt hide behind
> a bullshit handle, everyone knows who he is and where to find him,
> and at least he's got the balls to post a REAL phone number and
> a REAL e-mail and a REAL address to his shop.
>
> You on the other hand, you are a spineless cunt.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Pete's still mad at me from January.

http :// mysite.verizon,net /vze1u14s/petes6100midisupportservice/id1.html

Still in ripoff mode, I see. Egads, look at those
prices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Germanium


"Premier Spigot" <bighorseshoebob@yahoo,com > wrote in message
news:444c94c1-960b-4d6a-9272-cf0e85ba6209@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups,com ...
On May 11, 8:31 am, "Pete" <a.anit...@verizon,net > wrote:
> "Premier Spigot" <bighorseshoe...@yahoo,com > wrote in message
>
> news:f283c39d-90bc-4397-ad83-6cab691083f3@l64g2000hse.googlegroups,com ...
> On May 10, 9:21 am, Lord Valve <detri...@ix,net com,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Premier Spigot wrote:
> > > On May 9, 2:56 pm, 100550.3...@compuserve,com (MG) wrote:
> > > > Hi
>
> > > > Suddenly, there is a lot of Buzz(!) about Germanium transistors in
> > > > boutique effects etc. I have a couple of 70's effects and an amp
> > > > that
> > > > contains these and no-way do they sound any better than
> > > > silicone/modern equivalents. Why are people going mad for them all
> > > > of
> > > > a sudden??
>
> > > > Am I missing something?
>
> > > > MG
> > > > UK
>
> > > On Germ. transistors, Davis' and Lord Valve's replies are both worth a
> > > fuck hole. One's based on excess and the other is punchy. Bullshitters
> > > 101. Not to say that there isn't a pack of nonsense (the "holy grail
> > > x'istor types) associated with the generic topic, but there *is* a
> > > sonic difference. Try a FF or a RM clone, etc., using silicon and,
> > > bzzzzzzzzt, they suck. If you disagree, then you are also clueless.
>
> > Cornflakes + pee = Premier Spigot.
>
> > Like I said - a *serious* jones. Good luck with that...
>
> > Lord Valve
> > BaaaaarrrrrrAAAAAACCCCCCKKKKK!!! <Safety!>- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Pssst, hey chubby. You hype up vacuum tubes and sell them from a
> dirty, cluttered, small and miserable dwelling. You didn't come up
> with the cure for cancer, etc. You just *think* you've conquered so
> much.
>
> So.... what are YOU offering for tubes and matching?
> Are your prices better than LV's? Is your service?
> BTW-who the fuck are you? At least LV doesnt hide behind
> a bullshit handle, everyone knows who he is and where to find him,
> and at least he's got the balls to post a REAL phone number and
> a REAL e-mail and a REAL address to his shop.
>
> You on the other hand, you are a spineless cunt.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Pete's still mad at me from January.

http :// mysite.verizon,net /vze1u14s/petes6100midisupportservice/id1.html

Still in ripoff mode, I see. Egads, look at those
prices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think one has to also pay for the gold plated sockets
as well as the IC and it appears that the TL071 and socket
at $4.00 equates to $3.71 for the socket and $0.29 for the IC.
I'm surprised he's not also charging an extra $5 for having taken
the photo of the two items in addition to the $4.

Re: Germanium

Premier Spigot wrote:

> Pssst, hey chubby. You hype up vacuum tubes and sell them from a
> dirty, cluttered, small and miserable dwelling. You didn't come up
> with the cure for cancer, etc. You just *think* you've conquered so
> much.

LV is a blowhard and a troll, and you're someone who trails around behind
him looking for a chance to piss and whine about him, so which one of you is
more pathetic?

Re: Germanium

DGDevin wrote:
> Premier Spigot wrote:
>
>> Pssst, hey chubby. You hype up vacuum tubes and sell them from a
>> dirty, cluttered, small and miserable dwelling. You didn't come up
>> with the cure for cancer, etc. You just *think* you've conquered so
>> much.
>
> LV is a blowhard and a troll, and you're someone who trails around behind
> him looking for a chance to piss and whine about him, so which one of you is
> more pathetic?
>
>
You, for playing God Head arbiter from the pulpit of hypocrisy.

Re: Germanium

On May 11, 4:42 pm, "DGDevin" <dgde...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Premier Spigot wrote:
> > Pssst, hey chubby. You hype up vacuum tubes and sell them from a
> > dirty, cluttered, small and miserable dwelling. You didn't come up
> > with the cure for cancer, etc. You just *think* you've conquered so
> > much.
>
> LV is a blowhard and a troll, and you're someone who trails around behind
> him looking for a chance to piss and whine about him, so which one of you is
> more pathetic?

I hear ya, but you have approximately 35 pages of LV banter going back
to 2003:
http :// tinyurl,com /3h9rqm (35, at least with the
results on those filters......)
...I only skimmed over a few, and granted, you didn't call him a fat
fucking puss gut
neanderthal ass hat cocksucker in all of them, but I can guaranteee
that there are very
few where you were anything approximating cordial. Your reasons for
the reaction could be mulitfaceted;
it's probably just my latest, incessant barrage. If I try to limit my
posts concerning the
subject to a 1:3 ratio to yours, will that be acceptable, Doug? 1:5?
1:6? You tell me.

Pathetic? I don't know about that. You have five years on me. Over and
out.

Re: Germanium



Premier Spigot wrote:

> there *is* a sonic difference.

Due to different circuit design techniques that have changed / developed /
evolved over the years.

The actual semiconductor devices are not significantly different and the
differences that there are won't affect the 'tone'.

Graham

Re: Germanium

On May 10, 10:27 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail,com >
wrote:
> Premier Spigot wrote:
> >  there *is* a sonic difference.
>
> Due to different circuit design techniques that have changed / developed /
> evolved over the years.


The point was "trying to replcate an old, killer circuit"..... You
mean my big bag of 2N508s WON'T work in the next dead Vox modeller
someone brings me to feex? You're joking... Electronics has evolved?
When?

Re: Germanium

MG wrote:
>
> Am I missing something?
>
>

hype

Re: Germanium



MG wrote:

> Hi
>
> Suddenly, there is a lot of Buzz(!) about Germanium transistors in
> boutique effects etc. I have a couple of 70's effects and an amp that
> contains these and no-way do they sound any better than
> silicone/modern equivalents. Why are people going mad for them all of
> a sudden??

Because people are gullible ?


> Am I missing something?

The marketing angle.

Graham

Challenge

OK, here's a challenge for those who believe that there's no practical
difference between Si and Ge transistors insofar as using them in guitar
effects boxes is concerned.

(1) Build a treble booster, modeled on the Keeley Java Pedal but with
the Ge transistors (Mullard OC-44) replaced with the Si transistors of
your choice. You're free to change other component values as you wish.

(2) You send your pedal, and I'll send mine, to the same unbiased third
party, who will play the same licks using the same guitar and amp
(preferably an AC-30 running full tilt on the "normal" channel). Said
third party will post .mp3 sound files using each the two pedals. He
will *not* identify which clip goes with which pedal.

(3) We will then run a poll. If your Si pedal wins, I will pay you
$200 for it plus a reasonable fee for your costs and time. If your Si
pedal loses, you will pay me $50.

So what'dya say? I'm giving you good odds here. Any takers?

p.s....I believe the schematic for the Java is available online.

Re: Challenge

On May 10, 6:57 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> OK, here's a challenge for those who believe that there's no practical
> difference between Si and Ge transistors insofar as using them in guitar
> effects boxes is concerned.
>
> (1)  Build a treble booster, modeled on the Keeley Java Pedal but with
> the Ge transistors (Mullard OC-44) replaced with the Si transistors of
> your choice.  You're free to change other component values as you wish.
>
> (2)  You send your pedal, and I'll send mine, to the same unbiased third
> party, who will play the same licks using the same guitar and amp
> (preferably an AC-30 running full tilt on the "normal" channel).  Said
> third party will post .mp3 sound files using each the two pedals.  He
> will *not* identify which clip goes with which pedal.
>
> (3)  We will then run a poll.  If your Si pedal wins, I will pay you
> $200 for it plus a reasonable fee for your costs and time.  If your Si
> pedal loses, you will pay me $50.
>
> So what'dya say?  I'm giving you good odds here.  Any takers?
>
> p.s....I believe the schematic for the Java is available online.

Aha! I'm not betting. Someone who knows. A stone gas post!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stone gas, I say.