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Re: Challenge
Premier Spigot wrote:
> On May 10, 6:57 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>> OK, here's a challenge for those who believe that there's no practical
>> difference between Si and Ge transistors insofar as using them in guitar
>> effects boxes is concerned.
>>
>> (1) Build a treble booster, modeled on the Keeley Java Pedal but with
>> the Ge transistors (Mullard OC-44) replaced with the Si transistors of
>> your choice. You're free to change other component values as you wish.
>>
>> (2) You send your pedal, and I'll send mine, to the same unbiased third
>> party, who will play the same licks using the same guitar and amp
>> (preferably an AC-30 running full tilt on the "normal" channel). Said
>> third party will post .mp3 sound files using each the two pedals. He
>> will *not* identify which clip goes with which pedal.
>>
>> (3) We will then run a poll. If your Si pedal wins, I will pay you
>> $200 for it plus a reasonable fee for your costs and time. If your Si
>> pedal loses, you will pay me $50.
>>
>> So what'dya say? I'm giving you good odds here. Any takers?
>>
>> p.s....I believe the schematic for the Java is available online.
>
> Aha! I'm not betting. Someone who knows. A stone gas post!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Stone gas, I say.
Why, ya don't say!
Premier Spigot wrote:
> On May 10, 6:57 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>> OK, here's a challenge for those who believe that there's no practical
>> difference between Si and Ge transistors insofar as using them in guitar
>> effects boxes is concerned.
>>
>> (1) Build a treble booster, modeled on the Keeley Java Pedal but with
>> the Ge transistors (Mullard OC-44) replaced with the Si transistors of
>> your choice. You're free to change other component values as you wish.
>>
>> (2) You send your pedal, and I'll send mine, to the same unbiased third
>> party, who will play the same licks using the same guitar and amp
>> (preferably an AC-30 running full tilt on the "normal" channel). Said
>> third party will post .mp3 sound files using each the two pedals. He
>> will *not* identify which clip goes with which pedal.
>>
>> (3) We will then run a poll. If your Si pedal wins, I will pay you
>> $200 for it plus a reasonable fee for your costs and time. If your Si
>> pedal loses, you will pay me $50.
>>
>> So what'dya say? I'm giving you good odds here. Any takers?
>>
>> p.s....I believe the schematic for the Java is available online.
>
> Aha! I'm not betting. Someone who knows. A stone gas post!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Stone gas, I say.
Why, ya don't say!
Re: Challenge
"Gamma Ray Bursts U" <shoran-56718@nospammomypacks,net > wrote in message
news:sJSdnQC5AJQt-rvVnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews,com ...
> Premier Spigot wrote:
>> On May 10, 6:57 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>>> OK, here's a challenge for those who believe that there's no practical
>>> difference between Si and Ge transistors insofar as using them in guitar
>>> effects boxes is concerned.
>>>
>>> (1) Build a treble booster, modeled on the Keeley Java Pedal but with
>>> the Ge transistors (Mullard OC-44) replaced with the Si transistors of
>>> your choice. You're free to change other component values as you wish.
>>>
>>> (2) You send your pedal, and I'll send mine, to the same unbiased third
>>> party, who will play the same licks using the same guitar and amp
>>> (preferably an AC-30 running full tilt on the "normal" channel). Said
>>> third party will post .mp3 sound files using each the two pedals. He
>>> will *not* identify which clip goes with which pedal.
>>>
>>> (3) We will then run a poll. If your Si pedal wins, I will pay you
>>> $200 for it plus a reasonable fee for your costs and time. If your Si
>>> pedal loses, you will pay me $50.
>>>
>>> So what'dya say? I'm giving you good odds here. Any takers?
>>>
>>> p.s....I believe the schematic for the Java is available online.
>>
>> Aha! I'm not betting. Someone who knows. A stone gas post!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> Stone gas, I say.
>
> Why, ya don't say!
Beatnikkers are less cool than peacenikkers, but wet fart was never cool
even
as a beepdip pretending to be a beatnik.
"Gamma Ray Bursts U" <shoran-56718@nospammomypacks,net > wrote in message
news:sJSdnQC5AJQt-rvVnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews,com ...
> Premier Spigot wrote:
>> On May 10, 6:57 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>>> OK, here's a challenge for those who believe that there's no practical
>>> difference between Si and Ge transistors insofar as using them in guitar
>>> effects boxes is concerned.
>>>
>>> (1) Build a treble booster, modeled on the Keeley Java Pedal but with
>>> the Ge transistors (Mullard OC-44) replaced with the Si transistors of
>>> your choice. You're free to change other component values as you wish.
>>>
>>> (2) You send your pedal, and I'll send mine, to the same unbiased third
>>> party, who will play the same licks using the same guitar and amp
>>> (preferably an AC-30 running full tilt on the "normal" channel). Said
>>> third party will post .mp3 sound files using each the two pedals. He
>>> will *not* identify which clip goes with which pedal.
>>>
>>> (3) We will then run a poll. If your Si pedal wins, I will pay you
>>> $200 for it plus a reasonable fee for your costs and time. If your Si
>>> pedal loses, you will pay me $50.
>>>
>>> So what'dya say? I'm giving you good odds here. Any takers?
>>>
>>> p.s....I believe the schematic for the Java is available online.
>>
>> Aha! I'm not betting. Someone who knows. A stone gas post!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> Stone gas, I say.
>
> Why, ya don't say!
Beatnikkers are less cool than peacenikkers, but wet fart was never cool
even
as a beepdip pretending to be a beatnik.
Re: Challenge
> RichL <rpleavitt@yahoo,com > wrote:
> OK, here's a challenge for those who believe that there's no practical
> difference between Si and Ge transistors insofar as using them in guitar
> effects boxes is concerned.
>
> (1) Build a treble booster, modeled on the Keeley Java Pedal but with
> the Ge transistors (Mullard OC-44) replaced with the Si transistors of
> your choice. You're free to change other component values as you wish.
>
> (2) You send your pedal, and I'll send mine, to the same unbiased third
> party, who will play the same licks using the same guitar and amp
> (preferably an AC-30 running full tilt on the "normal" channel). Said
> third party will post .mp3 sound files using each the two pedals. He
> will *not* identify which clip goes with which pedal.
>
> (3) We will then run a poll. If your Si pedal wins, I will pay you
> $200 for it plus a reasonable fee for your costs and time. If your Si
> pedal loses, you will pay me $50.
>
> So what'dya say? I'm giving you good odds here. Any takers?
>
> p.s....I believe the schematic for the Java is available online.
>
>
You know Rich L -- I didn't even bother to respond to the
silicon versus germanium post here.
They can sound really different and since tone is subjective
I'll leave it to the player (or the listener) to decide which
is best for their needs.
And the more cascade you have (fuzz face = 2 cascading and
tone bender = 3 cascading germs or silicons) then the differences
become more and more obvious. yes - there are 'hybrid' fuzz faces
that use 1 germ and 1 silicon.
But I have lots of germanium fuzzes - from Analogman, Pro Analog and many other
boutique makers and home made pedals. I also have a box full of well made
silicons from indie makers. The only people that would claim the
differences are all nonsense must have tin ears.
The germ's (especially the NOS mullards) have a much smoother response
and unlike most silicons, if the pedals are made properly they still
allow variances of tones based on pick attack. Usually silicon fuzzes
pretty much can make every guitar played through them sound pretty much
the same and lose the individual character of the guitar being played
through it and they also do not change tones whether you pick soft or dig in.
Silicons sound much more aggressive that germ. fuzzes and germ. based treble boosters (single transistor pedal)
I'm not arguing which one is better - but they are most definitely different
in their sounds. The silicons can get down right nasty (which can be a cool thing actually)
Ah well - the posers out there that say there is no difference
or that using NOS germaniums is some phooey nonsense are simple posers
that wouldn't know the difference between a cat screech and a dog barking.
Believe me RichL - you'll never lose that $200 bet - at least not around my way.
> RichL <rpleavitt@yahoo,com > wrote:
> OK, here's a challenge for those who believe that there's no practical
> difference between Si and Ge transistors insofar as using them in guitar
> effects boxes is concerned.
>
> (1) Build a treble booster, modeled on the Keeley Java Pedal but with
> the Ge transistors (Mullard OC-44) replaced with the Si transistors of
> your choice. You're free to change other component values as you wish.
>
> (2) You send your pedal, and I'll send mine, to the same unbiased third
> party, who will play the same licks using the same guitar and amp
> (preferably an AC-30 running full tilt on the "normal" channel). Said
> third party will post .mp3 sound files using each the two pedals. He
> will *not* identify which clip goes with which pedal.
>
> (3) We will then run a poll. If your Si pedal wins, I will pay you
> $200 for it plus a reasonable fee for your costs and time. If your Si
> pedal loses, you will pay me $50.
>
> So what'dya say? I'm giving you good odds here. Any takers?
>
> p.s....I believe the schematic for the Java is available online.
>
>
You know Rich L -- I didn't even bother to respond to the
silicon versus germanium post here.
They can sound really different and since tone is subjective
I'll leave it to the player (or the listener) to decide which
is best for their needs.
And the more cascade you have (fuzz face = 2 cascading and
tone bender = 3 cascading germs or silicons) then the differences
become more and more obvious. yes - there are 'hybrid' fuzz faces
that use 1 germ and 1 silicon.
But I have lots of germanium fuzzes - from Analogman, Pro Analog and many other
boutique makers and home made pedals. I also have a box full of well made
silicons from indie makers. The only people that would claim the
differences are all nonsense must have tin ears.
The germ's (especially the NOS mullards) have a much smoother response
and unlike most silicons, if the pedals are made properly they still
allow variances of tones based on pick attack. Usually silicon fuzzes
pretty much can make every guitar played through them sound pretty much
the same and lose the individual character of the guitar being played
through it and they also do not change tones whether you pick soft or dig in.
Silicons sound much more aggressive that germ. fuzzes and germ. based treble boosters (single transistor pedal)
I'm not arguing which one is better - but they are most definitely different
in their sounds. The silicons can get down right nasty (which can be a cool thing actually)
Ah well - the posers out there that say there is no difference
or that using NOS germaniums is some phooey nonsense are simple posers
that wouldn't know the difference between a cat screech and a dog barking.
Believe me RichL - you'll never lose that $200 bet - at least not around my way.
Re: Challenge
Squier <squier@strats,net > wrote:
> You know Rich L -- I didn't even bother to respond to the
> silicon versus germanium post here.
> They can sound really different and since tone is subjective
> I'll leave it to the player (or the listener) to decide which
> is best for their needs.
> And the more cascade you have (fuzz face = 2 cascading and
> tone bender = 3 cascading germs or silicons) then the differences
> become more and more obvious. yes - there are 'hybrid' fuzz faces
> that use 1 germ and 1 silicon.
> But I have lots of germanium fuzzes - from Analogman, Pro Analog and
> many other
> boutique makers and home made pedals. I also have a box full of well
> made
> silicons from indie makers. The only people that would claim the
> differences are all nonsense must have tin ears.
> The germ's (especially the NOS mullards) have a much smoother response
> and unlike most silicons, if the pedals are made properly they still
> allow variances of tones based on pick attack. Usually silicon fuzzes
> pretty much can make every guitar played through them sound pretty
> much
> the same and lose the individual character of the guitar being played
> through it and they also do not change tones whether you pick soft or
> dig in.
> Silicons sound much more aggressive that germ. fuzzes and germ. based
> treble boosters (single transistor pedal) I'm not arguing which one
> is better - but they are most definitely different
> in their sounds. The silicons can get down right nasty (which can be
> a cool thing actually)
> Ah well - the posers out there that say there is no difference
> or that using NOS germaniums is some phooey nonsense are simple posers
> that wouldn't know the difference between a cat screech and a dog
> barking.
>
> Believe me RichL - you'll never lose that $200 bet - at least not
> around my way.
Yeah, it's basically a sucker bet. Anyway, I should have clarified. As
you said, there may be some who prefer the Si pedal because they like
the harsher sound, but I can't see very many saying they sound the same.
Squier <squier@strats,net > wrote:
> You know Rich L -- I didn't even bother to respond to the
> silicon versus germanium post here.
> They can sound really different and since tone is subjective
> I'll leave it to the player (or the listener) to decide which
> is best for their needs.
> And the more cascade you have (fuzz face = 2 cascading and
> tone bender = 3 cascading germs or silicons) then the differences
> become more and more obvious. yes - there are 'hybrid' fuzz faces
> that use 1 germ and 1 silicon.
> But I have lots of germanium fuzzes - from Analogman, Pro Analog and
> many other
> boutique makers and home made pedals. I also have a box full of well
> made
> silicons from indie makers. The only people that would claim the
> differences are all nonsense must have tin ears.
> The germ's (especially the NOS mullards) have a much smoother response
> and unlike most silicons, if the pedals are made properly they still
> allow variances of tones based on pick attack. Usually silicon fuzzes
> pretty much can make every guitar played through them sound pretty
> much
> the same and lose the individual character of the guitar being played
> through it and they also do not change tones whether you pick soft or
> dig in.
> Silicons sound much more aggressive that germ. fuzzes and germ. based
> treble boosters (single transistor pedal) I'm not arguing which one
> is better - but they are most definitely different
> in their sounds. The silicons can get down right nasty (which can be
> a cool thing actually)
> Ah well - the posers out there that say there is no difference
> or that using NOS germaniums is some phooey nonsense are simple posers
> that wouldn't know the difference between a cat screech and a dog
> barking.
>
> Believe me RichL - you'll never lose that $200 bet - at least not
> around my way.
Yeah, it's basically a sucker bet. Anyway, I should have clarified. As
you said, there may be some who prefer the Si pedal because they like
the harsher sound, but I can't see very many saying they sound the same.
EC Rangemaster - (Was: Challenge)
On 11-May-08 04:21:10, RichL said
>Squier <squier@strats,net > wrote:
>Yeah, it's basically a sucker bet. Anyway, I should have clarified. As
>you said, there may be some who prefer the Si pedal because they like
>the harsher sound, but I can't see very many saying they sound the same.
The ear of the beholder principle.
On this whole Germanium thing - is there any actual evidence that Clapton
used a Rangemaster on the Beano album?
He's spoken about the kit he was using with no reference to it, and it
doesn't appear in any of the pictures I've seen. I gather he used one with
Cream, but again, that's just what I've heard.
Did one person once say he used a Rangemaster and everyone else has taken
that as gospel?
All the best,
Angus Manwaring. (for e-mail remove ANTISPEM)
I need your memories for the Amiga Games Database: A collection of Amiga
Game reviews by Amiga players http :// www .angusm.demon.co.uk/AGDB/AGDB.html
On 11-May-08 04:21:10, RichL said
>Squier <squier@strats,net > wrote:
>Yeah, it's basically a sucker bet. Anyway, I should have clarified. As
>you said, there may be some who prefer the Si pedal because they like
>the harsher sound, but I can't see very many saying they sound the same.
The ear of the beholder principle.
On this whole Germanium thing - is there any actual evidence that Clapton
used a Rangemaster on the Beano album?
He's spoken about the kit he was using with no reference to it, and it
doesn't appear in any of the pictures I've seen. I gather he used one with
Cream, but again, that's just what I've heard.
Did one person once say he used a Rangemaster and everyone else has taken
that as gospel?
All the best,
Angus Manwaring. (for e-mail remove ANTISPEM)
I need your memories for the Amiga Games Database: A collection of Amiga
Game reviews by Amiga players http :// www .angusm.demon.co.uk/AGDB/AGDB.html
Re: EC Rangemaster - (Was: Challenge)
Angus Manwaring <angus@angusm_ANTISPEM_.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 11-May-08 04:21:10, RichL said
>> Squier <squier@strats,net > wrote:
>
>
>
>> Yeah, it's basically a sucker bet. Anyway, I should have clarified.
>> As you said, there may be some who prefer the Si pedal because they
>> like the harsher sound, but I can't see very many saying they sound
>> the same.
>
> The ear of the beholder principle.
>
>
> On this whole Germanium thing - is there any actual evidence that
> Clapton used a Rangemaster on the Beano album?
>
> He's spoken about the kit he was using with no reference to it, and it
> doesn't appear in any of the pictures I've seen. I gather he used one
> with Cream, but again, that's just what I've heard.
>
> Did one person once say he used a Rangemaster and everyone else has
> taken that as gospel?
I'm not sure about Clapton, but I do know that Brian May and Rory
Gallagher used them. Tony Iommi too, if I remember right.
Angus Manwaring <angus@angusm_ANTISPEM_.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 11-May-08 04:21:10, RichL said
>> Squier <squier@strats,net > wrote:
>
>
>
>> Yeah, it's basically a sucker bet. Anyway, I should have clarified.
>> As you said, there may be some who prefer the Si pedal because they
>> like the harsher sound, but I can't see very many saying they sound
>> the same.
>
> The ear of the beholder principle.
>
>
> On this whole Germanium thing - is there any actual evidence that
> Clapton used a Rangemaster on the Beano album?
>
> He's spoken about the kit he was using with no reference to it, and it
> doesn't appear in any of the pictures I've seen. I gather he used one
> with Cream, but again, that's just what I've heard.
>
> Did one person once say he used a Rangemaster and everyone else has
> taken that as gospel?
I'm not sure about Clapton, but I do know that Brian May and Rory
Gallagher used them. Tony Iommi too, if I remember right.
Re: EC Rangemaster - (Was: Challenge)
On 11-May-08 14:44:45, RichL said
>Angus Manwaring <angus@angusm_ANTISPEM_.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 11-May-08 04:21:10, RichL said
>>> Squier <squier@strats,net > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On this whole Germanium thing - is there any actual evidence that
>> Clapton used a Rangemaster on the Beano album?
>>
>> He's spoken about the kit he was using with no reference to it, and it
>> doesn't appear in any of the pictures I've seen. I gather he used one
>> with Cream, but again, that's just what I've heard.
>>
>> Did one person once say he used a Rangemaster and everyone else has
>> taken that as gospel?
>I'm not sure about Clapton, but I do know that Brian May and Rory
>Gallagher used them. Tony Iommi too, if I remember right.
Yup, I'm there on the Rory and Brian May, no controversy there - but
pretty much anybody (well, you know what I mean) who is selling a
Rangemaster clone is using "as used by Clapton on the Beano album" as a
selling point. Its one thing to say "Just listen to it, surely you can
tell" but is there any actual evidence?
All the best,
Angus Manwaring. (for e-mail remove ANTISPEM)
I need your memories for the Amiga Games Database: A collection of Amiga
Game reviews by Amiga players http :// www .angusm.demon.co.uk/AGDB/AGDB.html
On 11-May-08 14:44:45, RichL said
>Angus Manwaring <angus@angusm_ANTISPEM_.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 11-May-08 04:21:10, RichL said
>>> Squier <squier@strats,net > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On this whole Germanium thing - is there any actual evidence that
>> Clapton used a Rangemaster on the Beano album?
>>
>> He's spoken about the kit he was using with no reference to it, and it
>> doesn't appear in any of the pictures I've seen. I gather he used one
>> with Cream, but again, that's just what I've heard.
>>
>> Did one person once say he used a Rangemaster and everyone else has
>> taken that as gospel?
>I'm not sure about Clapton, but I do know that Brian May and Rory
>Gallagher used them. Tony Iommi too, if I remember right.
Yup, I'm there on the Rory and Brian May, no controversy there - but
pretty much anybody (well, you know what I mean) who is selling a
Rangemaster clone is using "as used by Clapton on the Beano album" as a
selling point. Its one thing to say "Just listen to it, surely you can
tell" but is there any actual evidence?
All the best,
Angus Manwaring. (for e-mail remove ANTISPEM)
I need your memories for the Amiga Games Database: A collection of Amiga
Game reviews by Amiga players http :// www .angusm.demon.co.uk/AGDB/AGDB.html
Re: EC Rangemaster - (Was: Challenge)
On May 11, 4:36 pm, "Angus Manwaring"
<angus@angusm ANTISPEM .demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Yup, I'm there on the Rory and Brian May, no controversy there - but
> pretty much anybody (well, you know what I mean) who is selling a
> Rangemaster clone is using "as used by Clapton on the Beano album" as a
> selling point. Its one thing to say "Just listen to it, surely you can
> tell" but is there any actual evidence?
>
I dunno....but I built a rangemaster circuit a few nights ago and man
does that sucker make a small dimed amp sing! Granted you have to find
a transistor with good enough gain (and low leakage) to work well, but
I've amassed a couple hundred NOS Ge devices over the years so I can
cherry pick. A TI 90921 ended up in that guy....whatever that
is...can't ID it. Next up, a univibe clone.....been hankerin' for one
of those for a long time.
On May 11, 4:36 pm, "Angus Manwaring"
<angus@angusm ANTISPEM .demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Yup, I'm there on the Rory and Brian May, no controversy there - but
> pretty much anybody (well, you know what I mean) who is selling a
> Rangemaster clone is using "as used by Clapton on the Beano album" as a
> selling point. Its one thing to say "Just listen to it, surely you can
> tell" but is there any actual evidence?
>
I dunno....but I built a rangemaster circuit a few nights ago and man
does that sucker make a small dimed amp sing! Granted you have to find
a transistor with good enough gain (and low leakage) to work well, but
I've amassed a couple hundred NOS Ge devices over the years so I can
cherry pick. A TI 90921 ended up in that guy....whatever that
is...can't ID it. Next up, a univibe clone.....been hankerin' for one
of those for a long time.
Re: EC Rangemaster - (Was: Challenge)
boardjunkie <boardjunkie@techie,com > wrote:
> On May 11, 4:36 pm, "Angus Manwaring"
> <angus@angusm_ANTISPEM_.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Yup, I'm there on the Rory and Brian May, no controversy there - but
>> pretty much anybody (well, you know what I mean) who is selling a
>> Rangemaster clone is using "as used by Clapton on the Beano album"
>> as a selling point. Its one thing to say "Just listen to it, surely
>> you can tell" but is there any actual evidence?
>>
> I dunno....but I built a rangemaster circuit a few nights ago and man
> does that sucker make a small dimed amp sing! Granted you have to find
> a transistor with good enough gain (and low leakage) to work well, but
> I've amassed a couple hundred NOS Ge devices over the years so I can
> cherry pick. A TI 90921 ended up in that guy....whatever that
> is...can't ID it. Next up, a univibe clone.....been hankerin' for one
> of those for a long time.
Cool! If I remember right, it's a fairly simple circuit, but good on
you!
Yeah, as I understand it, the guys who make these things (Keeley, Analog
Man, Crispy Cream, etc.) go through piles of transistors to find the
sweet one. The thing that sold the booster to me was the set of sound
samples on the Crispy Creme site; unfortunately, they've taken them down
since (probably because of copyright violations, since they had a pile
of licks from Cream, Queen, and Hendrix songs). Anyway, I wound up
getting the Keeley Java, 'cause it had the extra EQ options, but
basically I think all the circuits are pretty much the same and are
based on the Rangemaster.
boardjunkie <boardjunkie@techie,com > wrote:
> On May 11, 4:36 pm, "Angus Manwaring"
> <angus@angusm_ANTISPEM_.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Yup, I'm there on the Rory and Brian May, no controversy there - but
>> pretty much anybody (well, you know what I mean) who is selling a
>> Rangemaster clone is using "as used by Clapton on the Beano album"
>> as a selling point. Its one thing to say "Just listen to it, surely
>> you can tell" but is there any actual evidence?
>>
> I dunno....but I built a rangemaster circuit a few nights ago and man
> does that sucker make a small dimed amp sing! Granted you have to find
> a transistor with good enough gain (and low leakage) to work well, but
> I've amassed a couple hundred NOS Ge devices over the years so I can
> cherry pick. A TI 90921 ended up in that guy....whatever that
> is...can't ID it. Next up, a univibe clone.....been hankerin' for one
> of those for a long time.
Cool! If I remember right, it's a fairly simple circuit, but good on
you!
Yeah, as I understand it, the guys who make these things (Keeley, Analog
Man, Crispy Cream, etc.) go through piles of transistors to find the
sweet one. The thing that sold the booster to me was the set of sound
samples on the Crispy Creme site; unfortunately, they've taken them down
since (probably because of copyright violations, since they had a pile
of licks from Cream, Queen, and Hendrix songs). Anyway, I wound up
getting the Keeley Java, 'cause it had the extra EQ options, but
basically I think all the circuits are pretty much the same and are
based on the Rangemaster.
Re: EC Rangemaster - (Was: Challenge)
The trick, is to bias what transistors you have, with
pull up/down resistors to match the device you have.
Do you think those making said devices in the old fart days (,com )
went thru 100's of devices? No. Every Rangemaster was tricked
to what devices they had. Do you think they had any clue what
would become 'the sound' ? No, they just produced product.
Whatever 'rock star' who played 'that device' produced said sound.
Ec's Rm sounded diff the RG's, or Brian's.
People today think those old fart days (,com ) were all set to
re-produce the sound folks today are willing to beg/pay for.
Back then, no one had any clue. Time waits for no fool.
Learn or be sold to. Develope your own sound, using whatever
you can grab/steal/pimp. Don't rest on anybody's shoulders.
JJTj
www ,fr itztronics,com
(Comedy for the Future!)
The trick, is to bias what transistors you have, with
pull up/down resistors to match the device you have.
Do you think those making said devices in the old fart days (,com )
went thru 100's of devices? No. Every Rangemaster was tricked
to what devices they had. Do you think they had any clue what
would become 'the sound' ? No, they just produced product.
Whatever 'rock star' who played 'that device' produced said sound.
Ec's Rm sounded diff the RG's, or Brian's.
People today think those old fart days (,com ) were all set to
re-produce the sound folks today are willing to beg/pay for.
Back then, no one had any clue. Time waits for no fool.
Learn or be sold to. Develope your own sound, using whatever
you can grab/steal/pimp. Don't rest on anybody's shoulders.
JJTj
www ,fr itztronics,com
(Comedy for the Future!)
Re: EC Rangemaster - (Was: Challenge)
"boardjunkie" <boardjunkie@techie,com > wrote in message
news:ebafd780-2626-490a-83a1-0f64597a5100@56g2000hsm.googlegroups,com ...
On May 11, 4:36 pm, "Angus Manwaring"
<angus@angusm_ANTISPEM_.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Yup, I'm there on the Rory and Brian May, no controversy there - but
> pretty much anybody (well, you know what I mean) who is selling a
> Rangemaster clone is using "as used by Clapton on the Beano album" as a
> selling point. Its one thing to say "Just listen to it, surely you can
> tell" but is there any actual evidence?
>
I dunno....but I built a rangemaster circuit a few nights ago
Feel free to post the schematic on News:alt.binaries.schematics.electronic
"boardjunkie" <boardjunkie@techie,com > wrote in message
news:ebafd780-2626-490a-83a1-0f64597a5100@56g2000hsm.googlegroups,com ...
On May 11, 4:36 pm, "Angus Manwaring"
<angus@angusm_ANTISPEM_.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Yup, I'm there on the Rory and Brian May, no controversy there - but
> pretty much anybody (well, you know what I mean) who is selling a
> Rangemaster clone is using "as used by Clapton on the Beano album" as a
> selling point. Its one thing to say "Just listen to it, surely you can
> tell" but is there any actual evidence?
>
I dunno....but I built a rangemaster circuit a few nights ago
Feel free to post the schematic on News:alt.binaries.schematics.electronic
Re: EC Rangemaster - (Was: Challenge)
On May 31, 3:02 pm, "ian field" <dai....@ntlworld,com > wrote:
> Feel free to post the schematic on News:alt.binaries.schematics.electronic
I went by the schemo in the .pdf on this page:
http :// www .geofex,com /Article Folders/Rangemaster/drm.htm
Didn't put in the pull down resistors yet, but I may play with that
later.
On May 31, 3:02 pm, "ian field" <dai....@ntlworld,com > wrote:
> Feel free to post the schematic on News:alt.binaries.schematics.electronic
I went by the schemo in the .pdf on this page:
http :// www .geofex,com /Article Folders/Rangemaster/drm.htm
Didn't put in the pull down resistors yet, but I may play with that
later.
Re: EC Rangemaster - (Was: Challenge)
"boardjunkie" <boardjunkie@techie,com > wrote in message
news:77216c27-44e2-413a-8ccc-7070c6bfc73a@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups,com ...
On May 31, 3:02 pm, "ian field" <dai....@ntlworld,com > wrote:
> Feel free to post the schematic on News:alt.binaries.schematics.electronic
I went by the schemo in the .pdf on this page:
http :// www .geofex,com /Article_Folders/Rangemaster/drm.htm
Didn't put in the pull down resistors yet, but I may play with that
later.
Thanks.
"boardjunkie" <boardjunkie@techie,com > wrote in message
news:77216c27-44e2-413a-8ccc-7070c6bfc73a@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups,com ...
On May 31, 3:02 pm, "ian field" <dai....@ntlworld,com > wrote:
> Feel free to post the schematic on News:alt.binaries.schematics.electronic
I went by the schemo in the .pdf on this page:
http :// www .geofex,com /Article_Folders/Rangemaster/drm.htm
Didn't put in the pull down resistors yet, but I may play with that
later.
Thanks.
