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New Guitar - few questions

Reply from: Big Daddy
Date: 04 Apr 2008, 15:40
New Guitar - few questions

Up until now I've been using a hand-me-down. I just got a new guitar (PRS
SE Singlecut) and have some questions.

1) It's a brand new guitar, and I notice the fretboard (or maybe frets
themselves?) are a bit "sticky". i.e. when I try bends the strings don't
glide as smoothly as I'm accustomed to. It's not really an issue, but just
wondering if this is something that will generally get smoother with use? I
haven't had the guitar setup yet, is there something like oiling the
fretboard or similar will help?

2) Regarding setup, I've always heard bad things about using Guitar Center
for guitar work. There's a teacher here that "highly" recommends a guy and
when I go to his website it lists his qualifications (assemblying and
setting up guitars for ZZtop, Floyd, etc.), but he is the one Guitar Center
sources out their guitar work for. So essentially if i went to Guitar
Center and asked them for setup, this is the guy they would have do it
anyways? Is that a red flag in and of itself?

3) Regarding guitar care. What should I be using to take proper care? I've
never really done anything with the other, other than wiping it down every
once in awhile. Is guitar polish needed or just a clean cloth? (it's just
for home use if that matters). Any particular kind or types I should worry
about?

4) Regarding intonation, I wasn't expecting perfect intonation since it was
shipped, but my tuner was sitting by my amp and I noticed when I was playing
on the 12th fret, the tuner was registering perfect notes. I decided to
check other frettings and it was perfect in most locations, but I did notice
a few places where the tuning was off a bit. This is without having it
setup yet. My question is, will you ever get it "perfect" where no matter
what note you play on a fret it will be dead-center on the tuner? Or will
there always be some places in the fretboard a little off?



Reply from: oasysco
Date: 04 Apr 2008, 19:35
Re: New Guitar - few questions

On Apr 4, 9:40 am, "Big Daddy" <nos...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> Up until now I've been using a hand-me-down.  I just got a new guitar (PRS
> SE Singlecut) and have some questions.
>
> 1) It's a brand new guitar, and I notice the fretboard (or maybe frets
> themselves?) are a bit "sticky".  i.e. when I try bends the strings don't
> glide as smoothly as I'm accustomed to.   It's not really an issue, but just
> wondering if this is something that will generally get smoother with use?  I
> haven't had the guitar setup yet, is there something like oiling the
> fretboard or similar will help?

You can occasionally condition the fretboard with lemon oil for
unfinished rosewood, bore oil for ebony, and a damp rag for finished
maple, but that may not be the problem.

Bending strings has more to do with the radius of the fretboard, scale
length, and string size, all of whihc may be different to what you are
accustomed. Usually, you work into a guitar and get to know is
eccentricities until you become fast friends with it. That is, I bet
it gets better over time :)-

>
> 2) Regarding setup, I've always heard bad things about using Guitar Center
> for guitar work.  There's a teacher here that "highly" recommends a guy and
> when I go to his website it lists his qualifications (assemblying and
> setting up guitars for ZZtop, Floyd, etc.), but he is the one Guitar Center
> sources out their guitar work for.  So essentially if i went to Guitar
> Center and asked them for setup, this is the guy they would have do it
> anyways?  Is that a red flag in and of itself?

I can't say not knowing the tech's ability, but unless the guitar
needs a fret level, I'd suggest learning how to restring, set
intonation, bridge/saddle height, and adjust the neck yourself. Then
again, having a pro do it can make your gutiar play really well
without any experimentaiton on your part.


>
> 3) Regarding guitar care.  What should I be using to take proper care?  I've
> never really done anything with the other, other than wiping it down every
> once in awhile.  Is guitar polish needed or just a clean cloth? (it's just
> for home use if that matters).  Any particular kind or types I should worry
> about?

Don't use gutiar polish on the fretbaord unless it's finished maple. I
liek Martin's gutiar polish for the bodies and back of the necks of my
guitars, assuming your guitar has a glossy finish of some kind. Just
use a little dab, wipe it on a small section, rub it in and get the
excess of and move on to the next section of your guitar.

>
> 4) Regarding intonation, I wasn't expecting perfect intonation since it was
> shipped, but my tuner was sitting by my amp and I noticed when I was playing
> on the 12th fret, the tuner was registering perfect notes.  I decided to
> check other frettings and it was perfect in most locations, but I did notice
> a few places where the tuning was off a bit.  This is without having it
> setup yet.  My question is, will you ever get it "perfect" where no matter
> what note you play on a fret it will be dead-center on the tuner?  Or will
> there always be some places in the fretboard a little off?

Probably some places will always be a little off due to fret placement
imperfections. Unless it's off by 5 cents or more here and there, who
cares. A good setup can often rectify most of the problems because
intonation is affected by height of the strings, the gauge of strings,
the relief angle of the neck, and the position of the bridge saddles.-
all of whihc is addressed in a good setup.

Greg

Reply from: Derek
Date: 04 Apr 2008, 20:29
Re: New Guitar - few questions

Greg is right on with his advice. Many times stores will use the same
techs, as there may not be enough biz from one store to keep a guy
busy full time.

I have never experienced the "stickiness" you are talking about with a
rosewood fretboard, and have played plenty of PRS SEs to know they are
built really well.

If it had been hanging on the wall at the store any length of time, I
would suspect a string change would be your solution. Otherwise, I
don't know what else would be sticky.

Reply from: oasysco
Date: 05 Apr 2008, 03:24
Re: New Guitar - few questions

On Apr 4, 2:29 pm, Derek <de...@ycoaoffice,com > wrote:
> Greg is right on with his advice.  Many times stores will use the same
> techs, as there may not be enough biz from one store to keep a guy
> busy full time.
>
> I have never experienced the "stickiness" you are talking about with a
> rosewood fretboard, and have played plenty of PRS SEs to know they are
> built really well.
>
> If it had been hanging on the wall at the store any length of time, I
> would suspect a string change would be your solution.  Otherwise, I
> don't know what else would be sticky.

Right! A string change is the first thing.

Greg

Reply from: Charmed Snark
Date: 05 Apr 2008, 05:14
Re: New Guitar - few questions

oasysco expounded in news:512cff17-d797-44a3-bbd6-a1ee1708fcf6
@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups,com :

> On Apr 4, 2:29 pm, Derek <de...@ycoaoffice,com > wrote:
>> Greg is right on with his advice.  Many times stores will use the same
>> techs, as there may not be enough biz from one store to keep a guy
>> busy full time.
>>
>> I have never experienced the "stickiness" you are talking about with a
>> rosewood fretboard, and have played plenty of PRS SEs to know they are
>> built really well.
>>
>> If it had been hanging on the wall at the store any length of time, I
>> would suspect a string change would be your solution.  Otherwise, I
>> don't know what else would be sticky.
>
> Right! A string change is the first thing.
>
> Greg

That's always on the top of my list!

You never know where that G string has been!

SNark.

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Reply from: Jim
Date: 05 Apr 2008, 22:32
Re: New Guitar - few questions

Big Daddy wrote:
> Up until now I've been using a hand-me-down. I just got a new guitar (PRS
> SE Singlecut) and have some questions.
>
> 1) It's a brand new guitar, and I notice the fretboard (or maybe frets
> themselves?) are a bit "sticky". i.e. when I try bends the strings don't
> glide as smoothly as I'm accustomed to. It's not really an issue, but just
> wondering if this is something that will generally get smoother with use? I
> haven't had the guitar setup yet, is there something like oiling the
> fretboard or similar will help?

A couple of comments.

Lower priced guitars usually do not get a lot of attention to the frets. One
thing you can do is buy some 0000 steel wool. TAPE OFF YOUR PICKUPS because the
magnets will attract the wool that breaks off. Polish the frets during string
change. If you are very picky, tape off the fretboard. Then polish the
fretboard with the grain, with the wool. Finish with Kyser brand Dr.
Stringfellow LemOil, used SPARINGLY. Buff off almost immediately. I like this
product because it not only has "lemon oil," but also includes some naphtha that
does two things: cleans the wood, and helps to carry the oils into the wood.

If you feel stickiness on the rosewood, it could be whatever they chose to seal
it with. Some people (and companies?) use linseed oil, which I don't like,
because it can feel tacky.


>
> 2) Regarding setup, I've always heard bad things about using Guitar Center
> for guitar work.

Depends on (A) IF they have a tech, and (B) if he's good or a moron.


> There's a teacher here that "highly" recommends a guy and
> when I go to his website it lists his qualifications (assemblying and
> setting up guitars for ZZtop, Floyd, etc.), but he is the one Guitar Center
> sources out their guitar work for. So essentially if i went to Guitar
> Center and asked them for setup, this is the guy they would have do it
> anyways? Is that a red flag in and of itself?

I'd go directly to "the guy."

>
> 3) Regarding guitar care. What should I be using to take proper care? I've
> never really done anything with the other, other than wiping it down every
> once in awhile.

Wash hands before play. Wipe the strings down after play with clean dry towel.
I use a microfiber cloth (by Fender, relatively expensive but good) and Dunlop
65. NOT a commercial for the seller, just to show you the product:
http :// www .andysmusiconline,com /products/dunlop_guitar_polish.html It's a GREAT
product to clean the guitar. It's not greasy, and seems to leave no residue at
all. More of a cleaner than a polish or wax.

Every year or so, I'll use a quality carnuaba wax. Make SURE it's a good
quality with NO SILICONE. NEVER use "pledge" or those type of products if you
ever think you might repair a guitar, because silicone with really mess with a
finish repair.


> Is guitar polish needed or just a clean cloth? (it's just
> for home use if that matters). Any particular kind or types I should worry
> about?
>
> 4) Regarding intonation, I wasn't expecting perfect intonation since it was
> shipped, but my tuner was sitting by my amp and I noticed when I was playing
> on the 12th fret, the tuner was registering perfect notes. I decided to
> check other frettings and it was perfect in most locations, but I did notice
> a few places where the tuning was off a bit.

I don't think there is such thing as "perfect intonation."


This is without having it
> setup yet. My question is, will you ever get it "perfect" where no matter
> what note you play on a fret it will be dead-center on the tuner? Or will
> there always be some places in the fretboard a little off?
>
>

Reply from: Sheldon
Date: 07 Apr 2008, 00:24
Re: New Guitar - few questions


"Big Daddy" <nospam@yahoo,com > wrote in message
news:9cqJj.186$GE1.14@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc,com ...
> Up until now I've been using a hand-me-down. I just got a new guitar (PRS
> SE Singlecut) and have some questions.
>
> 1) It's a brand new guitar, and I notice the fretboard (or maybe frets
> themselves?) are a bit "sticky". i.e. when I try bends the strings don't
> glide as smoothly as I'm accustomed to. It's not really an issue, but
> just wondering if this is something that will generally get smoother with
> use? I haven't had the guitar setup yet, is there something like oiling
> the fretboard or similar will help?
>
Try new strings first. However, often the frets may need to be polished a
bit. Never noticed a sticky fretboard, unless your fingers are sticky and
that transfered to the fretboard. What you are probably feeling is the
string hanging up on frets that need polishing. Move the string up and down
a fret and see if that's your problem. Often corrected with fine steel wool
or just bending a lot of notes.

> 2) Regarding setup, I've always heard bad things about using Guitar Center
> for guitar work. There's a teacher here that "highly" recommends a guy
> and when I go to his website it lists his qualifications (assemblying and
> setting up guitars for ZZtop, Floyd, etc.), but he is the one Guitar
> Center sources out their guitar work for. So essentially if i went to
> Guitar Center and asked them for setup, this is the guy they would have do
> it anyways? Is that a red flag in and of itself?

Any PRS tech should be able to setup your guitar. Any decent luthier or
tech can do it. If this guy is setting up guitars for the stars it will
probably cost you a lot more than you need to spend. A guitar setup is not
a big deal.

>
> 3) Regarding guitar care. What should I be using to take proper care?
> I've never really done anything with the other, other than wiping it down
> every once in awhile. Is guitar polish needed or just a clean cloth?
> (it's just for home use if that matters). Any particular kind or types I
> should worry about?
>
The strings should be wiped down before and after you play. They will also
last longer if you wash your hands before you play. As for the body a damp
soft cloth will usually do the trick. Martin makes a watery guitar polish
and won't hurt anything and does a good job of removing fingerprints and
dust. Remember, your guitar already has a nice finish on it. No need to
wax or polish it.

> 4) Regarding intonation, I wasn't expecting perfect intonation since it
> was shipped, but my tuner was sitting by my amp and I noticed when I was
> playing on the 12th fret, the tuner was registering perfect notes. I
> decided to check other frettings and it was perfect in most locations, but
> I did notice a few places where the tuning was off a bit. This is without
> having it setup yet. My question is, will you ever get it "perfect" where
> no matter what note you play on a fret it will be dead-center on the
> tuner? Or will there always be some places in the fretboard a little off?

It will never be perfect, IMHO. Intonation is a combination of string
length and how much pressure you use when you fret a note. You'll also get
better results with new strings once they stretch in.

Enjoy the new guitar.
>
>



Reply from: jtees4
Date: 10 Apr 2008, 01:17
Re: New Guitar - few questions

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:40:20 -0500, "Big Daddy" <nospam@yahoo,com >
wrote:

>Up until now I've been using a hand-me-down. I just got a new guitar (PRS
>SE Singlecut) and have some questions.
>
>1) It's a brand new guitar, and I notice the fretboard (or maybe frets
>themselves?) are a bit "sticky". i.e. when I try bends the strings don't
>glide as smoothly as I'm accustomed to. It's not really an issue, but just
>wondering if this is something that will generally get smoother with use? I
>haven't had the guitar setup yet, is there something like oiling the
>fretboard or similar will help?
>
>2) Regarding setup, I've always heard bad things about using Guitar Center
>for guitar work. There's a teacher here that "highly" recommends a guy and
>when I go to his website it lists his qualifications (assemblying and
>setting up guitars for ZZtop, Floyd, etc.), but he is the one Guitar Center
>sources out their guitar work for. So essentially if i went to Guitar
>Center and asked them for setup, this is the guy they would have do it
>anyways? Is that a red flag in and of itself?
>
>3) Regarding guitar care. What should I be using to take proper care? I've
>never really done anything with the other, other than wiping it down every
>once in awhile. Is guitar polish needed or just a clean cloth? (it's just
>for home use if that matters). Any particular kind or types I should worry
>about?
>
>4) Regarding intonation, I wasn't expecting perfect intonation since it was
>shipped, but my tuner was sitting by my amp and I noticed when I was playing
>on the 12th fret, the tuner was registering perfect notes. I decided to
>check other frettings and it was perfect in most locations, but I did notice
>a few places where the tuning was off a bit. This is without having it
>setup yet. My question is, will you ever get it "perfect" where no matter
>what note you play on a fret it will be dead-center on the tuner? Or will
>there always be some places in the fretboard a little off?
>

1.The stickiness of the fretboard will probably dissappear as you play
it more and the strings move over the frets.
2. Don't know...but I'd go direct toi the guy instead of GC...should
be cheaper.
3.Shouldn't need anything for awhile, just wipe it down once in
awhile.
4. If it's goood with open strings and at the 12th fret...I wouldn't
worry about it at this point.
Good luck.

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