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I have a few guys that get together 2x a week to hone our skills
(hobby band). We just picked up a new rhythm player and he was just
was not cutting through. He is playing through a very old Standell
solid state amp w 2x12 Altek.( reverb and tremelo). I run a JMP 50
watt Marshall and pedals- Jokily I send him an add for a Full 100W
Marshall stack - he was tempted, and asked my opinion on a 900 - I
said there kinda buzzy, and channeled his thoughts to a cleanish type
amp ( which I much prefer for rhythm and cord work - Fender Twin) .
So last night we switched places - and after a lil bit of fiddling
with the Standell I was getting some pretty nice tones - not Fender
Twin nice but close ( he didn't have much Bass going and it was making
it sound either loud and shrill or no volume at all - cranking in some
Bass and giving it more power cured it - haha I did blow the circuit
breaker in it a few time !! with the bass maxed) . My Marshall is an
oldie 1 channel - so I run it cleanish and use pedals to put it over
the edge for leads. He didn't have any pedals - so he experimented
with my set up and came to discover that he like the added flexibility
a few good pedals could make.. So I think the Standell is going to
work - just needs some toys to add on. ( And yep - lots of tone is
indeed in the fingers - I still sounded like me through his amp, and
he sounded like him through mine only now he had the harmonic soup
only real tubes can do. )
In closing - you can always Nasty up a clean amp but a nasty buzzing
amp can't get clean no matter how much crap you add on - 2c Ed S.
I have a few guys that get together 2x a week to hone our skills
(hobby band). We just picked up a new rhythm player and he was just
was not cutting through. He is playing through a very old Standell
solid state amp w 2x12 Altek.( reverb and tremelo). I run a JMP 50
watt Marshall and pedals- Jokily I send him an add for a Full 100W
Marshall stack - he was tempted, and asked my opinion on a 900 - I
said there kinda buzzy, and channeled his thoughts to a cleanish type
amp ( which I much prefer for rhythm and cord work - Fender Twin) .
So last night we switched places - and after a lil bit of fiddling
with the Standell I was getting some pretty nice tones - not Fender
Twin nice but close ( he didn't have much Bass going and it was making
it sound either loud and shrill or no volume at all - cranking in some
Bass and giving it more power cured it - haha I did blow the circuit
breaker in it a few time !! with the bass maxed) . My Marshall is an
oldie 1 channel - so I run it cleanish and use pedals to put it over
the edge for leads. He didn't have any pedals - so he experimented
with my set up and came to discover that he like the added flexibility
a few good pedals could make.. So I think the Standell is going to
work - just needs some toys to add on. ( And yep - lots of tone is
indeed in the fingers - I still sounded like me through his amp, and
he sounded like him through mine only now he had the harmonic soup
only real tubes can do. )
In closing - you can always Nasty up a clean amp but a nasty buzzing
amp can't get clean no matter how much crap you add on - 2c Ed S.
Re: amps/tone.gadgets
Ah, it'd be nice to play ith some fun guitar gismos. Can't afford to, but I
can dream lol.
Ah, it'd be nice to play ith some fun guitar gismos. Can't afford to, but I
can dream lol.
Re: amps/tone.gadgets
ed,
An amp shouldn't blow it's circuit breaker if it's being used properly.
Someone should check to find out what's going on. Does he have the speaker
impedance correct?
Dave M.
ed,
An amp shouldn't blow it's circuit breaker if it's being used properly.
Someone should check to find out what's going on. Does he have the speaker
impedance correct?
Dave M.
Re: amps/tone.gadgets
Imo 50 watt tube amps are overkill. If you dime them, you will a)
damage everyone's earing within 50 ft, and b) peel the paint off the
walls.
I would boost the mids, as that probably is part of the issue. Bass
is going to get lost in the bassists, kick drum and your bass sound.
The highs can get lost in the snare, cymbals and your highs. Midrange
is where we hear the most, and when I run sound is what I tweak first
to get someone to cut.
THe other question would be about time based effects. Reverbs,
chorus, flange, delay, while tasty, can wash out your sound and help
you get lost in the mix.
Dave has a good point. The amp shouldn't be blowing a circuit just
because you boosted the bass. Time for a trip to the amp doc I would
guess.
Imo 50 watt tube amps are overkill. If you dime them, you will a)
damage everyone's earing within 50 ft, and b) peel the paint off the
walls.
I would boost the mids, as that probably is part of the issue. Bass
is going to get lost in the bassists, kick drum and your bass sound.
The highs can get lost in the snare, cymbals and your highs. Midrange
is where we hear the most, and when I run sound is what I tweak first
to get someone to cut.
THe other question would be about time based effects. Reverbs,
chorus, flange, delay, while tasty, can wash out your sound and help
you get lost in the mix.
Dave has a good point. The amp shouldn't be blowing a circuit just
because you boosted the bass. Time for a trip to the amp doc I would
guess.
Re: amps/tone.gadgets
On Apr 4, 12:25 pm, Derek <de...@ycoaoffice,com > wrote:
> Imo 50 watt tube amps are overkill. If you dime them, you will a)
> damage everyone's earing within 50 ft, and b) peel the paint off the
> walls.
>
> I would boost the mids, as that probably is part of the issue. Bass
> is going to get lost in the bassists, kick drum and your bass sound.
>
> The highs can get lost in the snare, cymbals and your highs. Midrange
> is where we hear the most, and when I run sound is what I tweak first
> to get someone to cut.
>
> THe other question would be about time based effects. Reverbs,
> chorus, flange, delay, while tasty, can wash out your sound and help
> you get lost in the mix.
>
> Dave has a good point. The amp shouldn't be blowing a circuit just
> because you boosted the bass. Time for a trip to the amp doc I would
> guess.
I usually run my 50W JMP Marshall about 1/2 way so No its not "dimed".
As for the Standell blowing a cuircuit breaker yeah weird shouldn't do
it. I can only guess the old cuircuit breaker was struggling when I
had the Bass on the old critter maxed testing out different tone, it
was drawing a lot of power and couldn't handle it. When I backed if
off a tad it never did it again. As to Bass and tone - well
subjective, to each his own.. I personally like some bass in guitar
tone and less piercing treble ( I also on occasion like 15's for
guitar). As to overlap with the bass player thats another story, its
how you interact ( and as a previous Bass player I understand the
interaction). I'll send you some e-mail if you don't mind. Ed S.
On Apr 4, 12:25 pm, Derek <de...@ycoaoffice,com > wrote:
> Imo 50 watt tube amps are overkill. If you dime them, you will a)
> damage everyone's earing within 50 ft, and b) peel the paint off the
> walls.
>
> I would boost the mids, as that probably is part of the issue. Bass
> is going to get lost in the bassists, kick drum and your bass sound.
>
> The highs can get lost in the snare, cymbals and your highs. Midrange
> is where we hear the most, and when I run sound is what I tweak first
> to get someone to cut.
>
> THe other question would be about time based effects. Reverbs,
> chorus, flange, delay, while tasty, can wash out your sound and help
> you get lost in the mix.
>
> Dave has a good point. The amp shouldn't be blowing a circuit just
> because you boosted the bass. Time for a trip to the amp doc I would
> guess.
I usually run my 50W JMP Marshall about 1/2 way so No its not "dimed".
As for the Standell blowing a cuircuit breaker yeah weird shouldn't do
it. I can only guess the old cuircuit breaker was struggling when I
had the Bass on the old critter maxed testing out different tone, it
was drawing a lot of power and couldn't handle it. When I backed if
off a tad it never did it again. As to Bass and tone - well
subjective, to each his own.. I personally like some bass in guitar
tone and less piercing treble ( I also on occasion like 15's for
guitar). As to overlap with the bass player thats another story, its
how you interact ( and as a previous Bass player I understand the
interaction). I'll send you some e-mail if you don't mind. Ed S.
Re: amps/tone.gadgets
Derek wrote:
> Imo 50 watt tube amps are overkill. If you dime them, you will a)
> damage everyone's earing within 50 ft, and b) peel the paint off the
> walls.
Are you a girl? Just joking, not trying to offend.
I like power behind my amps, though. My tube amps range from 1W to 120W RMS.
You need a certain amount of power if you want some really gutsy feel to it, IMHO.
>
> I would boost the mids, as that probably is part of the issue. Bass
> is going to get lost in the bassists, kick drum and your bass sound.
>
> The highs can get lost in the snare, cymbals and your highs. Midrange
> is where we hear the most, and when I run sound is what I tweak first
> to get someone to cut.
>
> THe other question would be about time based effects. Reverbs,
> chorus, flange, delay, while tasty, can wash out your sound and help
> you get lost in the mix.
>
> Dave has a good point. The amp shouldn't be blowing a circuit just
> because you boosted the bass. Time for a trip to the amp doc I would
> guess.
Depends on how sensitive it is. But with an old amp, the filter caps could be
going and already drawing too much current. Then you max out the bass and make
a SERIOUS demand for current on the power supply... and POP goes the internal
breaker. So new filter caps might be called for. Since it's a transistor amp,
it's quite a bit safer for a hobbyist to try this one.
Another issue may be too low of an impedance load on the amp. Check the spec,
do NOT go below. You don't want to start looking for output transistors!
Derek wrote:
> Imo 50 watt tube amps are overkill. If you dime them, you will a)
> damage everyone's earing within 50 ft, and b) peel the paint off the
> walls.
Are you a girl? Just joking, not trying to offend.
I like power behind my amps, though. My tube amps range from 1W to 120W RMS.
You need a certain amount of power if you want some really gutsy feel to it, IMHO.
>
> I would boost the mids, as that probably is part of the issue. Bass
> is going to get lost in the bassists, kick drum and your bass sound.
>
> The highs can get lost in the snare, cymbals and your highs. Midrange
> is where we hear the most, and when I run sound is what I tweak first
> to get someone to cut.
>
> THe other question would be about time based effects. Reverbs,
> chorus, flange, delay, while tasty, can wash out your sound and help
> you get lost in the mix.
>
> Dave has a good point. The amp shouldn't be blowing a circuit just
> because you boosted the bass. Time for a trip to the amp doc I would
> guess.
Depends on how sensitive it is. But with an old amp, the filter caps could be
going and already drawing too much current. Then you max out the bass and make
a SERIOUS demand for current on the power supply... and POP goes the internal
breaker. So new filter caps might be called for. Since it's a transistor amp,
it's quite a bit safer for a hobbyist to try this one.
Another issue may be too low of an impedance load on the amp. Check the spec,
do NOT go below. You don't want to start looking for output transistors!
Re: amps/tone.gadgets
Jim wrote:
> Are you a girl? Just joking, not trying to offend.
>
> I like power behind my amps, though. My tube amps range from 1W to 120W RMS.
> You need a certain amount of power if you want some really gutsy feel to it, IMHO.
One man's overkill is another man's idea of a "really gutsy feel".
>
> Depends on how sensitive it is. But with an old amp, the filter caps could be
> going and already drawing too much current. Then you max out the bass and make
> a SERIOUS demand for current on the power supply... and POP goes the internal
> breaker. So new filter caps might be called for. Since it's a transistor amp,
> it's quite a bit safer for a hobbyist to try this one.
>
> Another issue may be too low of an impedance load on the amp. Check the spec,
> do NOT go below. You don't want to start looking for output transistors!
There you go! Amp doc for me, a DIYr like jimmy does it on Friday
nite.
derek (I am in touch with my feminine side today)
Jim wrote:
> Are you a girl? Just joking, not trying to offend.
>
> I like power behind my amps, though. My tube amps range from 1W to 120W RMS.
> You need a certain amount of power if you want some really gutsy feel to it, IMHO.
One man's overkill is another man's idea of a "really gutsy feel".
>
> Depends on how sensitive it is. But with an old amp, the filter caps could be
> going and already drawing too much current. Then you max out the bass and make
> a SERIOUS demand for current on the power supply... and POP goes the internal
> breaker. So new filter caps might be called for. Since it's a transistor amp,
> it's quite a bit safer for a hobbyist to try this one.
>
> Another issue may be too low of an impedance load on the amp. Check the spec,
> do NOT go below. You don't want to start looking for output transistors!
There you go! Amp doc for me, a DIYr like jimmy does it on Friday
nite.
derek (I am in touch with my feminine side today)
Re: amps/tone.gadgets
On Apr 4, 6:21=EF=BF=BDam, ed s <esham...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> I have a few guys that get together 2x a week to hone our skills
> (hobby band). =EF=BF=BDWe just picked up a new rhythm player and he was ju=
st
> was not cutting through. =EF=BF=BDHe is playing through a very old Standel=
l
> solid state amp w 2x12 Altek.( reverb and tremelo). I run a JMP 50
> watt Marshall and pedals- =EF=BF=BDJokily I send him an add for a Full 100=
W
> Marshall stack - he was tempted, and asked my opinion on a 900 - I
> said there kinda buzzy, and channeled his thoughts to a cleanish type
> amp ( which I much prefer for rhythm and cord work - Fender Twin) .
> So last night we switched places - and after a lil bit of fiddling
> with the Standell I was getting some pretty nice tones - not Fender
> Twin nice but close ( he didn't have much Bass going and it was making
> it sound either loud and shrill or no volume at all - cranking in some
> Bass and giving it more power cured it - haha I did blow the circuit
> breaker in it a few time !! with the bass maxed) =EF=BF=BD. =EF=BF=BDMy Ma=
rshall is an
> oldie 1 channel - so I run it cleanish and use pedals to put it over
> the edge for leads. =EF=BF=BDHe didn't have any pedals - so he experimente=
d
> with my set up and came to discover that he like the added flexibility
> a few good pedals could make.. So I think the Standell is going to
> work - just needs some toys to add on. =EF=BF=BD ( And yep - lots of tone =
is
> indeed in the fingers - I still sounded like me through his amp, and
> he sounded like him through mine only now he had the harmonic soup
> only real tubes can do. )
>
> In closing - you can always Nasty up a clean amp but a nasty buzzing
> amp can't get clean no matter how much crap you add on - 2c Ed S.
I don't have any gadgets. I like a clean sound anyway, though.
On Apr 4, 6:21=EF=BF=BDam, ed s <esham...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> I have a few guys that get together 2x a week to hone our skills
> (hobby band). =EF=BF=BDWe just picked up a new rhythm player and he was ju=
st
> was not cutting through. =EF=BF=BDHe is playing through a very old Standel=
l
> solid state amp w 2x12 Altek.( reverb and tremelo). I run a JMP 50
> watt Marshall and pedals- =EF=BF=BDJokily I send him an add for a Full 100=
W
> Marshall stack - he was tempted, and asked my opinion on a 900 - I
> said there kinda buzzy, and channeled his thoughts to a cleanish type
> amp ( which I much prefer for rhythm and cord work - Fender Twin) .
> So last night we switched places - and after a lil bit of fiddling
> with the Standell I was getting some pretty nice tones - not Fender
> Twin nice but close ( he didn't have much Bass going and it was making
> it sound either loud and shrill or no volume at all - cranking in some
> Bass and giving it more power cured it - haha I did blow the circuit
> breaker in it a few time !! with the bass maxed) =EF=BF=BD. =EF=BF=BDMy Ma=
rshall is an
> oldie 1 channel - so I run it cleanish and use pedals to put it over
> the edge for leads. =EF=BF=BDHe didn't have any pedals - so he experimente=
d
> with my set up and came to discover that he like the added flexibility
> a few good pedals could make.. So I think the Standell is going to
> work - just needs some toys to add on. =EF=BF=BD ( And yep - lots of tone =
is
> indeed in the fingers - I still sounded like me through his amp, and
> he sounded like him through mine only now he had the harmonic soup
> only real tubes can do. )
>
> In closing - you can always Nasty up a clean amp but a nasty buzzing
> amp can't get clean no matter how much crap you add on - 2c Ed S.
I don't have any gadgets. I like a clean sound anyway, though.
