two more chord questions

two more chord questions

020130
E7add9?
x30010
Csus2?
Thanks.

Re: two more chord questions

Robert Riddle wrote:
> 020130
> E7add9?

Just an E7. If it were 020102, it would be E9. (That F# on the first
string is the 9.) If it were 022102, it would be Eadd9.
If the 7 were in there, you wouldn't say "add 9." It doesn't really make
sense to ever say E7add9.
The difference between E9 and Eadd9 is that E9 includes the 7, while
Eadd9 does not.

> x30010
> Csus2?

Well, yeah, if you didn't play the 1st string. That E, being the 3 of
the C major triad, makes that chord more of a Cadd9, because with that E
in the chord, you have the C major triad (C, E, G) with note D (the 2 or
9) added to it. A sus2 is a chord in which the 2 is there instead of the
3. Or at least, that's what I think it is. I never had any music lessons
so I've had to figure this stuff out for myself. The possibility of my
being wrong exists.

> Thanks.
>
>

Re: two more chord questions


"Sean" <sean@fake.con> wrote in message
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> Robert Riddle wrote:
>> 020130
>> E7add9?
>
> Just an E7. If it were 020102, it would be E9. (That F# on the first
> string is the 9.) If it were 022102, it would be Eadd9.
I thought an e major chord
022100
With an open d string
020100
Was e9 and an E chord with the d note on the second string
022130
Was e7?
Hmm. Looks like it's back to the drawing board.

Re: two more chord questions

Robert Riddle wrote:
> "Sean" <sean@fake.con> wrote in message
> news:jW0Kj.16377$pb5.3983@edtnps89...
>> Robert Riddle wrote:
>>> 020130
>>> E7add9?
>> Just an E7. If it were 020102, it would be E9. (That F# on the first
>> string is the 9.) If it were 022102, it would be Eadd9.

> I thought an e major chord
> 022100
> With an open d string
> 020100
> Was e9

No. It's an E7.


and an E chord with the d note on the second string
> 022130
> Was e7?

Yes, that's another E7.

See the D note in both cases?


> Hmm. Looks like it's back to the drawing board.
>
>

Do you have a reliable source of information for learning chord theory?



--
Stephen
Ballina, Australia

Re: two more chord questions

Robert Riddle wrote:
> 020130
> E7add9?

E7 = E G B D

> x30010


> Csus2?

C(add9) = C E G + D

Re: two more chord questions

Robert Riddle wrote:
> 020130
> E7add9?

It's a plain E7, with the seventh note (D) doubled.

There is no E7add9. If you add the ninth note (F#) to an E7 chord, you
get E9. If you add the ninth note to an E chord, you get Eadd9.




> x30010
> Csus2?
> Thanks.
>
>

It's a Cadd9, but not the best voicing because the open D and the C
below it (A string) are in the same octave.

A better voicing for Cadd9 is

X32033

As you can see, without knowing the theory behind chord construction,
you'll guess wrong every time.




--
Stephen
Ballina, Australia

Re: two more chord questions


"Robert Riddle" <captinlogic@gmail,com > wrote in message
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> 020130
> E7add9?
> x30010
> Csus2?
> Thanks.
>

http :// www .dolmetsch,com /index.htm

http :// www .dolmetsch,com /musictheory8.htm

http :// www .dolmetsch,com /musictheory16.htm

http :// www .dolmetsch,com /musictheory17.htm

Bob

Re: two more chord questions


"sycochkn" <sycochkn@earthlink,net > wrote in message
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>
> "Robert Riddle" <captinlogic@gmail,com > wrote in message
> news:3w0Kj.68$7q2.10@newsfe05.lga...
>> 020130
>> E7add9?
>> x30010
>> Csus2?
>> Thanks.
>>
>
> http :// www .dolmetsch,com /index.htm
>
> http :// www .dolmetsch,com /musictheory8.htm
>
> http :// www .dolmetsch,com /musictheory16.htm
>
> http :// www .dolmetsch,com /musictheory17.htm
>
> Bob
> TOo many pics. BUt thanks anyway.

Re: two more chord questions


"Robert Riddle" <captinlogic@gmail,com > wrote in message
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>
> "sycochkn" <sycochkn@earthlink,net > wrote in message
> news:UeednTg2XMQkT2XanZ2dnUVZ_tSknZ2d@earthlink,com ...
>>
>> "Robert Riddle" <captinlogic@gmail,com > wrote in message
>> news:3w0Kj.68$7q2.10@newsfe05.lga...
>>> 020130
>>> E7add9?
>>> x30010
>>> Csus2?
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>
>> http :// www .dolmetsch,com /index.htm
>>
>> http :// www .dolmetsch,com /musictheory8.htm
>>
>> http :// www .dolmetsch,com /musictheory16.htm
>>
>> http :// www .dolmetsch,com /musictheory17.htm
>>
>> Bob
>> TOo many pics. BUt thanks anyway.
>
>

You keep asking about chords. All of the information is there.

Bob

Re: two more chord questions

> You keep asking about chords. All of the information is there.
>
> Bob
>
It's all illustrated though. and I can't see them.

Re: two more chord questions


"Robert Riddle" <captinlogic@gmail,com > wrote in message
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>> You keep asking about chords. All of the information is there.
>>
>> Bob
>>
> It's all illustrated though. and I can't see them.
>

read the text.

Bob

Re: two more chord questions

Sycochkin,

I think Robert has claimed to have vision problems so the illustrations
may not help him. I think he is reading the text but this has lead him to
incorrect names for these chords. I wouldn't assume that he can read the
text and hold his guitar at the same time, though if he can that might help
him.

Dave M.

Re: two more chord questions


"David L. Martel" <marte005@earthlink,net > wrote in message
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> Sycochkin,
>
> I think Robert has claimed to have vision problems so the illustrations
> may not help him. I think he is reading the text but this has lead him to
> incorrect names for these chords. I wouldn't assume that he can read the
> text and hold his guitar at the same time, though if he can that might
> help him.
>
> Dave M.
>

The information is not useful while holding the guitar. It descrbes how
chords are named. It is a reading project to gain an understanding of how
chords are named and formed. The illustrations are sheet music and a
keyboard. he needs to learn the fretboard in terms of intervals or note
names to figure it out.


Bob

Re: two more chord questions


Robert -

just a reminder about WHERE chords originate - that's in the SCALE.
and the most important place to start is the Major Scale, one of those
things we all learned in kindergarten, and can probably sing passably,
the good old DO-RE-MI etc.

the single most important thing about that scale is the spacing
between each note and the next - the pattern of whole and half
steps. ALL the other scales you ever deal with use a naming/
numbering system BASED on the Major Scale. and remember that each
note in the scale will have a distinct letter name. that's why a
note MIGHT be called Ab in one case, and G# in another - depends on
context.

Chords come from the notes of the scale, and have their own numbering
(SYSTEMS) - one has to do with the Root of the chord, and it's
relationship to the KEY that you're in. and the other has to do with
the exact construction of each chord.

ignoring the "why" for now, chords are constructed in what's called
"thirds", that is, a note, a skip, and then a note (which would cover
three different notes and their letter names. numerically, that
would amount to 1-3-5-7-9-11-13. notice that when you construct a
chord using 1-3-5-7, you have skipped the 2,4, and 6, which become
9-11 and 13 up an octave.

the "quality" of the thirds changes from point to point because of the
steps and sometimes HALF steps. that means that a note can be 3
letter names apart, for instance E to G, and involve a MINOR third,
unlike C to E, 3 letter names apart, and involving a MAJOR third.

what i think would help you immensely would be to start memorizing
chord spelling. for instance, the E7 being discussed would have E as
it's root, then, the third would be 3 letter names higher (G something
- in this case, G#), then 3 more letters to the fifth of the chord -
(B something - in this case, just plalin B), and then 3 letters higher
would give you (D something - in this case, just plain D).

want the 9th? 3 letters higher gives you f something, in this case
F#.

anticipating the question as to HOW YOU KNOW what the actually note is
- go back to your MAJOR SCALE, and observe the relationships between
the notes - if E is "one" (the ROOT), then the "two" has to be a WHOLE
STEP up - which makes it F#. an octave higher, it would be called
the ninth.

all of it is relatively simple - it's just that there's a LOT of it.
HOWEVER, all 12 keys work exactly the same, and most people tend to
play in about 4 or 5 keys, which reduces your task by a large
measure. and the other keys all can be figured out, if you need to
play something in G flat, or a less common key.

Chord NAMING is an exact science, but can create an animated
conversation amongst guitarists from time to time. for example, the
discussion as to whether a minor chord can have a suspended fourth,
when, generally speaking, a suspended fourth takes the place of a
3rd. you can certainly play a chord that has both a third and a
fourth, but the terminology can be the source of endless
ridiculosities.

please refer any discussion of minor 7th suspended fourth chords to
Lumpy, along with the name of the Dylan tune it appears in....

dawg


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Re: two more chord questions

On 6 Apr, 10:14, "Robert Riddle" <captinlo...@gmail,com > wrote:
> 020130
> E7add9?
> x30010
> Csus2?
> Thanks.

Hi,
If your still having problems with the construction of chords, I think
you may need to look at the construct of scales first.

Are you happy with the following:

There are 12 different notes: C, C#, D, D#, E, F, F#, G, G#, A, A#, B,
then the pattern repeats. Each of these notes is a half step apart
(that's a semitone which is one fret on the guitar).

The notes of a major scale are spaced as follows: tone, tone,
semitone, tone, tone, tone, semitone.
So to build a C major scale we start on C then take the note one tone
above, which is D. Continue to follow the pattern and you should get:
C, D, E, F, G, A, B, C.

We can now number the notes of this major scale fron 1 to 7. So, the
first C equals 1 and, the last C will equal 8.

If your completely happy with the above I carry on to chord
construction.

To construct a basic triad ( three note chords), pick any note, from
the C major scale, as the root note. Now miss a note and pick the next
but one note. Do this again and we have three notes. If you start on C
you should get: C, E, G. If you start A you will get: A, C, E. Each of
these chord has a root note or 1st, a 3rd and a 5th.

Go back to our first list of 12 notes. Look at the number of semitone
steps between the notes in our chords. Your find the gap between the E
and G notes of the C chord is different to, the gap between the C and
E notes of the A chord. The C is a major triad and the A is a minor
triad. Build chords on all the notes of the C major scale and you will
find you have three major chords and, three minor chords. Don't worry
about the chord rooted on the B (7th note).

Hopefully you can now see the relationship between a major scale and
the chords which relate to that scale.

When your really happy with the above I suggest you go back and re-
read all the replies to your previous posts on chords.

Hope above helps, Cliff