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A weird chord progression
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I've never seen some of thse chords before. Bb7#( What's that?
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I've never seen some of thse chords before. Bb7#( What's that?
Re: A weird chord progression
Robert Riddle wrote:
[Casinos - Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye]
> I've never seen some of thse chords
> before. Bb7#( What's that?
They have it as a Bb7#9.
It's a Bb7 chord with a 9th. Play a Bb7, add
the 9th, then sharp the 9th a half
step (the Hendrix chord).
That being said, I believe that to be incorrect
in that song. The Casinos version didn't use a
#9 chord there, they used a #5 chord.
AM7 F#m7 Bm7 E E(#5)
Kiss me each morning for a million years
AM7 F#m7 Bm7 E E(#5)
Hold me each evening by your side
In actual playing, I like that chord as an E(#13) no7th.
That's probably an awkward way of naming it. What I like
to hear there is the Maj triad (including the perfect 5th),
no 7th, and another 5th (this one sharped [b13]). So it's
not an augmented chord. It contains both a perfect 5th
and a sharped 5th (likely an octave above).
In open position:
022110
I think it has to come FROM a straight E chord.
E to E(#5)
022100 to 022110
Those two chords together establish (first) the dominant
or V chord feel (the E Maj) then the dischordant note
(the #5) creates a little tension but draws the listener
toward the tonic or I chord.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
www .LumpyMusic,com
Robert Riddle wrote:
[Casinos - Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye]
> I've never seen some of thse chords
> before. Bb7#( What's that?
They have it as a Bb7#9.
It's a Bb7 chord with a 9th. Play a Bb7, add
the 9th, then sharp the 9th a half
step (the Hendrix chord).
That being said, I believe that to be incorrect
in that song. The Casinos version didn't use a
#9 chord there, they used a #5 chord.
AM7 F#m7 Bm7 E E(#5)
Kiss me each morning for a million years
AM7 F#m7 Bm7 E E(#5)
Hold me each evening by your side
In actual playing, I like that chord as an E(#13) no7th.
That's probably an awkward way of naming it. What I like
to hear there is the Maj triad (including the perfect 5th),
no 7th, and another 5th (this one sharped [b13]). So it's
not an augmented chord. It contains both a perfect 5th
and a sharped 5th (likely an octave above).
In open position:
022110
I think it has to come FROM a straight E chord.
E to E(#5)
022100 to 022110
Those two chords together establish (first) the dominant
or V chord feel (the E Maj) then the dischordant note
(the #5) creates a little tension but draws the listener
toward the tonic or I chord.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
www .LumpyMusic,com
Re: A weird chord progression
actually, i'm hearing the Bb7#9 in there (the horn punches), as an
upper leading chord down to the Amaj7. check out a mickey baker
chord (13b5b9), as an E13b5b9/Bb, and you will have the tones to the
Bb7#9, which, from the horn players perspective, would be OK, but
theortically would probably make more sense calling it and altered E7
chord, which would progress to the A maj 7 just fine. note that the
chord as mickey shows it to us does NOT have a Root (there IS no E
anywhere- the bass player should be handling that.
the chord would break down like this: as a Bb7#9, the Bb is the
upper leading tone to A (the Flat 9), the D would be the 4th of the
scale, leading to the C# (the 3rd of A) OR E (the 5th of A) , the F
would be the upper leading tone to E, the 5th of A, and the 7th, Ab
(or G#) , would be the lower leading tone to A and ALSO the common
tone G# (the major 7th of A) . the sharp 9th (C#), is a common tone
with the A chord - the 3rd).
as the "Other" Mickey Baker chord (E 13 b 5 b 9 ), the altered E 7
chord simply resolves to A maj 7. and the Bb chord would be a tritone
sub for the E chord. either way, it's one of those things that works
cuz it SOUNDS cool, no matter how you theorize it.
i THINK
the dawg
actually, i'm hearing the Bb7#9 in there (the horn punches), as an
upper leading chord down to the Amaj7. check out a mickey baker
chord (13b5b9), as an E13b5b9/Bb, and you will have the tones to the
Bb7#9, which, from the horn players perspective, would be OK, but
theortically would probably make more sense calling it and altered E7
chord, which would progress to the A maj 7 just fine. note that the
chord as mickey shows it to us does NOT have a Root (there IS no E
anywhere- the bass player should be handling that.
the chord would break down like this: as a Bb7#9, the Bb is the
upper leading tone to A (the Flat 9), the D would be the 4th of the
scale, leading to the C# (the 3rd of A) OR E (the 5th of A) , the F
would be the upper leading tone to E, the 5th of A, and the 7th, Ab
(or G#) , would be the lower leading tone to A and ALSO the common
tone G# (the major 7th of A) . the sharp 9th (C#), is a common tone
with the A chord - the 3rd).
as the "Other" Mickey Baker chord (E 13 b 5 b 9 ), the altered E 7
chord simply resolves to A maj 7. and the Bb chord would be a tritone
sub for the E chord. either way, it's one of those things that works
cuz it SOUNDS cool, no matter how you theorize it.
i THINK
the dawg
Re: A weird chord progression
googledawg wrote:
> actually, i'm hearing the Bb7#9 in there (the horn punches)...
ok. I'll go listen again. I have a student in
5 minutes. I'm sure he's never heard of
Loudermilk.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
www .LumpyMusic,com
googledawg wrote:
> actually, i'm hearing the Bb7#9 in there (the horn punches)...
ok. I'll go listen again. I have a student in
5 minutes. I'm sure he's never heard of
Loudermilk.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
www .LumpyMusic,com
Re: A weird chord progression
On Apr 7, 6:53 pm, "Lumpy" <lu...@digitalcartography,com > wrote:
> googledawg wrote:
> > actually, i'm hearing the Bb7#9 in there (the horn punches)...
>
> ok. I'll go listen again. I have a student in
> 5 minutes. I'm sure he's never heard of
> Loudermilk.
>
> Lumpy
>
> In Your Ears for 40 Years
> www .LumpyMusic,com
i'm hearing it as hendrix at:
X
3
1
O
1
X
no matter HOW loud the milk gets....
On Apr 7, 6:53 pm, "Lumpy" <lu...@digitalcartography,com > wrote:
> googledawg wrote:
> > actually, i'm hearing the Bb7#9 in there (the horn punches)...
>
> ok. I'll go listen again. I have a student in
> 5 minutes. I'm sure he's never heard of
> Loudermilk.
>
> Lumpy
>
> In Your Ears for 40 Years
> www .LumpyMusic,com
i'm hearing it as hendrix at:
X
3
1
O
1
X
no matter HOW loud the milk gets....
Re: A weird chord progression
Robert~
you're right ---
it IS a weird progression -
but, since it works, it just proves that:
what it SOUNDS like is the primary factor, not what the theory says.
Robert~
you're right ---
it IS a weird progression -
but, since it works, it just proves that:
what it SOUNDS like is the primary factor, not what the theory says.
Re: A weird chord progression
googledawg wrote:
> On Apr 7, 6:53 pm, "Lumpy" <lu...@digitalcartography,com > wrote:
> >
googledawg wrote:
> > > actually, i'm hearing the Bb7#9 in there (the horn punches)...
> i'm hearing it as hendrix at:
>
> X
> 3
> 1
> O
> 1
> X
I slowed it and listened on headphones.
I don't hear a G note in that dominant chord
that the horns are playing. I hear a B#
(the #5) and an Fb (the b9). But I can't
pull a G out of it in any octave.
The chord you have listed above isn't a hendrix
that I recognize. No #9 there. There's a b5 or
#11 but no #9.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
www .LumpyMusic,com
googledawg wrote:
> On Apr 7, 6:53 pm, "Lumpy" <lu...@digitalcartography,com > wrote:
> >
googledawg wrote:
> > > actually, i'm hearing the Bb7#9 in there (the horn punches)...
> i'm hearing it as hendrix at:
>
> X
> 3
> 1
> O
> 1
> X
I slowed it and listened on headphones.
I don't hear a G note in that dominant chord
that the horns are playing. I hear a B#
(the #5) and an Fb (the b9). But I can't
pull a G out of it in any octave.
The chord you have listed above isn't a hendrix
that I recognize. No #9 there. There's a b5 or
#11 but no #9.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
www .LumpyMusic,com
Re: A weird chord progression
This song is strange. Is it played up on the sixth fret or open? I can hear
some of the notes in there for an e chord in open position. This one is
gonna need a lotta work.
This song is strange. Is it played up on the sixth fret or open? I can hear
some of the notes in there for an e chord in open position. This one is
gonna need a lotta work.
Re: A weird chord progression
Robert Riddle wrote:
> This song is strange. Is it played up on the sixth fret or open? I
> can hear some of the notes in there for an e chord in open position.
> This one is gonna need a lotta work.
It's gonna need a lot of SIMPLIFICATION.
You're working too hard.
It's one of the simplest and most used
chord progressions in the universe.
It's called 1 6 2 5.
Don't play the odd ball parts of the chords.
Just play the simple version of the chords,
in rhythm. Get the song sounding recognizable.
(A)Kiss me each (F#m)morning for a (Bm)million (E)years
The entire song revolves around those four
chords until the short chorus.
The chorus is -
(D) If you must go, oh (A)no, I won't grieve
(B)If you wait a lifetime before you (E)leave
After that chorus it's back to 1 6 2 5
I placed the chords within the line of lyrics.
I hope your text to speech thing makes sense of that.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
www .LumpyMusic,com
Robert Riddle wrote:
> This song is strange. Is it played up on the sixth fret or open? I
> can hear some of the notes in there for an e chord in open position.
> This one is gonna need a lotta work.
It's gonna need a lot of SIMPLIFICATION.
You're working too hard.
It's one of the simplest and most used
chord progressions in the universe.
It's called 1 6 2 5.
Don't play the odd ball parts of the chords.
Just play the simple version of the chords,
in rhythm. Get the song sounding recognizable.
(A)Kiss me each (F#m)morning for a (Bm)million (E)years
The entire song revolves around those four
chords until the short chorus.
The chorus is -
(D) If you must go, oh (A)no, I won't grieve
(B)If you wait a lifetime before you (E)leave
After that chorus it's back to 1 6 2 5
I placed the chords within the line of lyrics.
I hope your text to speech thing makes sense of that.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
www .LumpyMusic,com
Re: A weird chord progression
On Apr 8, 3:00 am, "Robert Riddle" <captinlo...@gmail,com > wrote:
> This song is strange. Is it played up on the sixth fret or open? I can hear
> some of the notes in there for an e chord in open position. This one is
> gonna need a lotta work.
Robert - you want weird cords - check out this one I wrote about a
year ago and play on acoustic with fingers x2 - Ed S.
http :// us.share.geocities,com /edshamble/SNOWDawg.mp3
something like this:
Intro
Amaj9 Amaj9
/ / / / / / / /
Verse
Amaj7 Bm7/F# Amaj7 Bm7/F#
/ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / /
Dadd2/F# E7add4/G# Dadd2/F# A
/ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / /
Dadd2/F# E7add4/G# A/C# Bm7/F#
/ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / /
Dadd2/F# Gm11 A A
/ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / /
or tabs :
SnowDawg Guitar > low EADGBE high
Intro
5,0,6,4,5,0
Verse
5,0,6,6,5,0
(5,0,6,6,7,0)
(5,0,6,0,5,0)
5,0,6,6,5,0
2,0,4,4,3,0
(2,0,4,4,5,0)
(2,0,4,4,0,0)
2,0,4,2,3,0
Repeat verse
2,0,4,2,3,0
4,0,6,4,3,0
2,0,4,2,3,0
x,0,2,2,2,0
2,0,4,2,3,0
4,0,6,4,3,0
9,0,11,9,10,0
2,0,4,2,3,0
2,0,4,2,3,0
x,0,2,2,2,0
2,0,4,2,3,0
3,0,4,4,3,0
x,0,2,2,2,0
On Apr 8, 3:00 am, "Robert Riddle" <captinlo...@gmail,com > wrote:
> This song is strange. Is it played up on the sixth fret or open? I can hear
> some of the notes in there for an e chord in open position. This one is
> gonna need a lotta work.
Robert - you want weird cords - check out this one I wrote about a
year ago and play on acoustic with fingers x2 - Ed S.
http :// us.share.geocities,com /edshamble/SNOWDawg.mp3
something like this:
Intro
Amaj9 Amaj9
/ / / / / / / /
Verse
Amaj7 Bm7/F# Amaj7 Bm7/F#
/ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / /
Dadd2/F# E7add4/G# Dadd2/F# A
/ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / /
Dadd2/F# E7add4/G# A/C# Bm7/F#
/ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / /
Dadd2/F# Gm11 A A
/ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / /
or tabs :
SnowDawg Guitar > low EADGBE high
Intro
5,0,6,4,5,0
Verse
5,0,6,6,5,0
(5,0,6,6,7,0)
(5,0,6,0,5,0)
5,0,6,6,5,0
2,0,4,4,3,0
(2,0,4,4,5,0)
(2,0,4,4,0,0)
2,0,4,2,3,0
Repeat verse
2,0,4,2,3,0
4,0,6,4,3,0
2,0,4,2,3,0
x,0,2,2,2,0
2,0,4,2,3,0
4,0,6,4,3,0
9,0,11,9,10,0
2,0,4,2,3,0
2,0,4,2,3,0
x,0,2,2,2,0
2,0,4,2,3,0
3,0,4,4,3,0
x,0,2,2,2,0
Re: A weird chord progression
"Robert Riddle" <captinlogic@gmail,com > wrote in message
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> http :// www .ultimate-guitar,com /tabs/c/casinos/then_you_can_tell_me_goodbye_crd.htm
> I've never seen some of thse chords before. Bb7#( What's that?
>
dominant 7th/ augmented 9th is the name.
the Bb scale is
Bb, C, D, Eb, F, G, A, Bb, C
1 , 2, 3, 4 , 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
1 , 3, 5, b7 , #9
Bb, D, F, Ab, C#
Bob
"Robert Riddle" <captinlogic@gmail,com > wrote in message
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> http :// www .ultimate-guitar,com /tabs/c/casinos/then_you_can_tell_me_goodbye_crd.htm
> I've never seen some of thse chords before. Bb7#( What's that?
>
dominant 7th/ augmented 9th is the name.
the Bb scale is
Bb, C, D, Eb, F, G, A, Bb, C
1 , 2, 3, 4 , 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
1 , 3, 5, b7 , #9
Bb, D, F, Ab, C#
Bob
Re: A weird chord progression
On Apr 7, 7:56=EF=BF=BDam, "Robert Riddle" <captinlo...@gmail,com > wrote:
> http :// www .ultimate-guitar,com /tabs/c/casinos/then_you_can_tell_me_go...
> I've never seen some of thse chords before. Bb7#( What's that?
Robert, you obviously have a lot of interest in chords. Are you
interested in jazz? I like to play jazz. And, by the way, I now have
comverted both my acoustic and also my electric guitar into five-
string models. I find them easier to play that way.
On Apr 7, 7:56=EF=BF=BDam, "Robert Riddle" <captinlo...@gmail,com > wrote:
> http :// www .ultimate-guitar,com /tabs/c/casinos/then_you_can_tell_me_go...
> I've never seen some of thse chords before. Bb7#( What's that?
Robert, you obviously have a lot of interest in chords. Are you
interested in jazz? I like to play jazz. And, by the way, I now have
comverted both my acoustic and also my electric guitar into five-
string models. I find them easier to play that way.
Re: A weird chord progression
On Apr 8, 2:14 pm, Muso <MikeMandavi...@aol,com > wrote:
> On Apr 7, 7:56=EF=BF=BDam, "Robert Riddle" <captinlo...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > http :// www .ultimate-guitar,com /tabs/c/casinos/then_you_can_tell_me_go...
> > I've never seen some of thse chords before. Bb7#( What's that?
>
> Robert, you obviously have a lot of interest in chords. Are you
> interested in jazz? I like to play jazz. And, by the way, I now have
> comverted both my acoustic and also my electric guitar into five-
> string models. I find them easier to play that way.
man - why limit your pallet that way .. there are a bunch of things
you can no longer do! following your thinking 4 would be easier no 3
no 2 no 1 .. those nice full 6 note cords are no longer available..
no 13's , no throwing on some diddilies with you pinkie 9's or #9's,
no D open shapes... etc. etc.
Don't do it..... Ed S.
On Apr 8, 2:14 pm, Muso <MikeMandavi...@aol,com > wrote:
> On Apr 7, 7:56=EF=BF=BDam, "Robert Riddle" <captinlo...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > http :// www .ultimate-guitar,com /tabs/c/casinos/then_you_can_tell_me_go...
> > I've never seen some of thse chords before. Bb7#( What's that?
>
> Robert, you obviously have a lot of interest in chords. Are you
> interested in jazz? I like to play jazz. And, by the way, I now have
> comverted both my acoustic and also my electric guitar into five-
> string models. I find them easier to play that way.
man - why limit your pallet that way .. there are a bunch of things
you can no longer do! following your thinking 4 would be easier no 3
no 2 no 1 .. those nice full 6 note cords are no longer available..
no 13's , no throwing on some diddilies with you pinkie 9's or #9's,
no D open shapes... etc. etc.
Don't do it..... Ed S.
Re: A weird chord progression
ed s wrote:
> ... following your thinking 4 would be easier no 3
> no 2 no 1 ..
My Viet Namese nail guy's band really swings
on Ipanema.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
www .LumpyMusic,com
ed s wrote:
> ... following your thinking 4 would be easier no 3
> no 2 no 1 ..
My Viet Namese nail guy's band really swings
on Ipanema.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
www .LumpyMusic,com
Re: A weird chord progression
On Apr 8, 3:17 pm, "Lumpy" <lu...@digitalcartography,com > wrote:
> ed s wrote:
> > ... following your thinking 4 would be easier no 3
> > no 2 no 1 ..
>
> My Viet Namese nail guy's band really swings
> on Ipanema.
>
> Lumpy
>
> In Your Ears for 40 Years
> www .LumpyMusic,com
yeah but they still have 6 if I remember, they may play 1 at a time
but the options are still available..
Broom stick, cat gut, and washbasin or Stratocaster your call... ed s.
On Apr 8, 3:17 pm, "Lumpy" <lu...@digitalcartography,com > wrote:
> ed s wrote:
> > ... following your thinking 4 would be easier no 3
> > no 2 no 1 ..
>
> My Viet Namese nail guy's band really swings
> on Ipanema.
>
> Lumpy
>
> In Your Ears for 40 Years
> www .LumpyMusic,com
yeah but they still have 6 if I remember, they may play 1 at a time
but the options are still available..
Broom stick, cat gut, and washbasin or Stratocaster your call... ed s.
