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Buying blem guitars, checking for "hidden" damage

Reply from: Rob F
Date: 10 Apr 2008, 22:25
Buying blem guitars, checking for "hidden" damage

I'm a new guitar player, been learning for a few years now and just
recently got a good practice program.

Around last year I bought my second Strat from Musician's Friend as a
blem model. It's a white MIM Fat Strat with rosewood fretboard, saved
a $100 buying the blem version. When I received the guitar I expected
the worse, but it came in the what looks like unopened packaging, I
couldn't find a ding anywhere or a finger print any place. Even my
local guitar guy said it was in perfect condition and not to bother
with a set up.

So after a good experience with blem, recently I found a Epiphone Les
Paul Standard Plus for $75 off. It was in the color I wanted so
figured I go for it.

When I received the guitar I noticed the box looked like it was
reused, unlike the other boxes I receive from MF. The guitar while
didn't have any obvious scratches or marks, did have a few finger
prints, and what looks like very light scratches where the the guitar
rests against your body. I cleaned it up and the guitar looks brand
new, and the scratches will come with playing so I didn't mind.

I played it and the guitar feels nice, no buzzing, the pickups sound a
little hummy. Guess that is normal with the cheaper humbuckers?

So wondering what steps of checking does MF do on return guitars? I'm
not a guitar expert and from my careful checking I didn't find
anything major. With the money I saved I'm going to bring this to my
local guy for a set up and new strings.

Rob






Reply from: Lumpy
Date: 10 Apr 2008, 22:40
Re: Buying blem guitars, checking for "hidden" damage

Rob F wrote:
> I'm a new guitar player, been learning for a few years now and just
> recently got a good practice program...

What is "a good practice program"?



Lumpy

In Your Ears for 40 Years
w w w .LumpyMusic . com




Reply from: Derek
Date: 10 Apr 2008, 23:00
Re: Buying blem guitars, checking for "hidden" damage

Rob,

We have a (the?) MF Clearance Center here in KC, and that is where you
see the banged up and totally trashed stuff. I have purchased a blem
before from them, and it amounted to a small ding by the jack.

Saved a couple hundred for that. I think when they get returns, it is
tough to sell them as new. The box certainly won't be new as it will
have traveled 4 x's by the time it gets to you.

There are good deals to be had.

Reply from: Rob F
Date: 10 Apr 2008, 23:59
Re: Buying blem guitars, checking for "hidden" damage

On Apr 10, 2:00 pm, Derek <de...@ycoaoffice . com > wrote:
> Rob,
>
> We have a (the?) MF Clearance Center here in KC, and that is where you
> see the banged up and totally trashed stuff. I have purchased a blem
> before from them, and it amounted to a small ding by the jack.
>
> Saved a couple hundred for that. I think when they get returns, it is
> tough to sell them as new. The box certainly won't be new as it will
> have traveled 4 x's by the time it gets to you.
>
> There are good deals to be had.

Good to hear, I really like the guitar. :)

Reply from: Rob F
Date: 10 Apr 2008, 23:57
Re: Buying blem guitars, checking for "hidden" damage

On Apr 10, 1:40 pm, "Lumpy" <lu...@digitalcartography . com > wrote:
> Rob F wrote:
> > I'm a new guitar player, been learning for a few years now and just
> > recently got a good practice program...
>
> What is "a good practice program"?
>
> Lumpy
>
> In Your Ears for 40 Years
> w w w .LumpyMusic . com

I should have said routine. I didn't have a solid practice time and
routine so I really didn't improve much. Now I'm following my progress
with a video and it's easier to stay focused.

Reply from: Lumpy
Date: 11 Apr 2008, 00:04
Re: Buying blem guitars, checking for "hidden" damage

Rob F:
> I should have said routine. I didn't have a solid practice time and
> routine so I really didn't improve much. Now I'm following my progress
> with a video and it's easier to stay focused.

Ok. So what's a good practice routine for you?
How do you use video to help you practice?

Lumpy

In Your Ears for 40 Years
w w w .LumpyMusic . com




Reply from: Rob F
Date: 11 Apr 2008, 00:38
Re: Buying blem guitars, checking for "hidden" damage

On Apr 10, 3:04 pm, "Lumpy" <lu...@digitalcartography . com > wrote:
> Rob F:
>
> > I should have said routine. I didn't have a solid practice time and
> > routine so I really didn't improve much. Now I'm following my progress
> > with a video and it's easier to stay focused.
>
> Ok. So what's a good practice routine for you?
> How do you use video to help you practice?
>
> Lumpy
>
> In Your Ears for 40 Years
> w w w .LumpyMusic . com

I started reading some basic guitar books and dvd's. I'm not sure why
but most of them started with chords, which was quite hard to play
correctly. Got frustrating pretty fast, and I end up more playing on
the guitar than studying, just going up and down the fretboard playing
a note at a time. I found a good dvd lesson that started off with just
playing finger exercises to build up strength then single notes, then
chords.

For me it's working better and I spend about 30~60mins a few nights a
week where as before it was much shorter.

Reply from: oasysco
Date: 11 Apr 2008, 14:43
Re: Buying blem guitars, checking for "hidden" damage

On Apr 10, 4:25 pm, Rob F <rfreiber...@gmail . com > wrote:
> I'm a new guitar player, been learning for a few years now and just
> recently got a good practice program.
>
> Around last year I bought my second Strat from Musician's Friend as a
> blem model. It's a white MIM Fat Strat with rosewood fretboard, saved
> a $100 buying the blem version. When I received the guitar I expected
> the worse, but it came in the what looks like unopened packaging, I
> couldn't find a ding anywhere or a finger print any place. Even my
> local guitar guy said it was in perfect condition and not to bother
> with a set up.
>
> So after a good experience with blem, recently I found a Epiphone Les
> Paul Standard Plus for $75 off. It was in the color I wanted so
> figured I go for it.
>
> When I received the guitar I noticed the box looked like it was
> reused, unlike the other boxes I receive from MF. The guitar while
> didn't have any obvious scratches or marks, did have a few finger
> prints, and what looks like very light scratches where the the guitar
> rests against your body. I cleaned it up and the guitar looks brand
> new, and the scratches will come with playing so I didn't mind.
>
> I played it and the guitar feels nice, no buzzing, the pickups sound a
> little hummy. Guess that is normal with the cheaper humbuckers?
>
> So wondering what steps of checking does MF do on return guitars? I'm
> not a guitar expert and from my careful checking I didn't find
> anything major. With the money I saved I'm going to bring this to my
> local guy for a set up and new strings.
>
> Rob

Here's some words of wisdom for ya...

Musicians friend blem - not likely to have any major problems 98% of
the time

Muisc123/wwandbw "b-stock" and "c-stock" - there will be a mechanical
problem; an input jack on the will be bad; there will be a neck repair
on a guitar; things like that./ I've bought 4 or 5 b-stock/c-stock
items from 123 and each has had a major problem; I've sent all but one
back. That said, you can save alot if you don't mind spending some $$
to get the problem fixed.

Zzounds blem - there will be a problem of some sort more often than
not, but sometimes not and usually not major fi there is a problem.

Greg

Reply from: >{daZza}<
Date: 11 Apr 2008, 14:47
Re: Buying blem guitars, checking for "hidden" damage

oasysco wrote:
: On Apr 10, 4:25 pm, Rob F <rfreiber...@gmail . com > wrote:
:: I'm a new guitar player, been learning for a few years now and just
:: recently got a good practice program.
::
:: Around last year I bought my second Strat from Musician's Friend as a
:: blem model. It's a white MIM Fat Strat with rosewood fretboard, saved
:: a $100 buying the blem version. When I received the guitar I expected
:: the worse, but it came in the what looks like unopened packaging, I
:: couldn't find a ding anywhere or a finger print any place. Even my
:: local guitar guy said it was in perfect condition and not to bother
:: with a set up.
::
:: So after a good experience with blem, recently I found a Epiphone Les
:: Paul Standard Plus for $75 off. It was in the color I wanted so
:: figured I go for it.
::
:: When I received the guitar I noticed the box looked like it was
:: reused, unlike the other boxes I receive from MF. The guitar while
:: didn't have any obvious scratches or marks, did have a few finger
:: prints, and what looks like very light scratches where the the guitar
:: rests against your body. I cleaned it up and the guitar looks brand
:: new, and the scratches will come with playing so I didn't mind.
::
:: I played it and the guitar feels nice, no buzzing, the pickups sound
:: a little hummy. Guess that is normal with the cheaper humbuckers?
::
:: So wondering what steps of checking does MF do on return guitars? I'm
:: not a guitar expert and from my careful checking I didn't find
:: anything major. With the money I saved I'm going to bring this to my
:: local guy for a set up and new strings.
::
:: Rob
:
: Here's some words of wisdom for ya...
:
: Musicians friend blem - not likely to have any major problems 98% of
: the time
:
: Muisc123/wwandbw "b-stock" and "c-stock" - there will be a mechanical
: problem; an input jack on the will be bad; there will be a neck repair
: on a guitar; things like that./ I've bought 4 or 5 b-stock/c-stock
: items from 123 and each has had a major problem; I've sent all but one
: back. That said, you can save alot if you don't mind spending some $$
: to get the problem fixed.
:
: Zzounds blem - there will be a problem of some sort more often than
: not, but sometimes not and usually not major fi there is a problem.
:
: Greg

I got a Traveler Escaspe EG-1 sold as a blem, saved about £80/$160, turned
out it was a display model (unplayed), came as new without a single mark,
not even a finger print :-)

--
daZza
mr.dazza@"BUT_PLUG"gmail . com
(remove "BUT_PLUG" to reply)
*w w w .thekellyhouse.co.uk*



Reply from: >{daZza}<
Date: 11 Apr 2008, 14:49
Re: Buying blem guitars, checking for "hidden" damage

:: :: I got a Traveler Escaspe EG-1 sold as a blem, saved about £80/$160,
:: turned out it was a display model (unplayed), came as new without a
:: single mark, not even a finger print :-)


Forgot to mention but several dealers i asked told me that they sell
new/unopened stock as blem to get round manufacturers "price fixing", not
saying this is always the case but it does happen, try selling an Ipod below
RRP and watch what happens :-)

--
daZza
mr.dazza@"BUT_PLUG"gmail . com
(remove "BUT_PLUG" to reply)
*w w w .thekellyhouse.co.uk*



Reply from: oasysco
Date: 12 Apr 2008, 15:18
Re: Buying blem guitars, checking for "hidden" damage

On Apr 11, 8:49 am, ">{daZza}<" <mr.dazza@"BUT PLUG"gmail . com > wrote:
> :: :: I got a Traveler Escaspe EG-1 sold as a blem, saved about £80/$160=
,
> :: turned out it was a display model (unplayed), came as new without a
> :: single mark, not even a finger print :-)
>
> Forgot to mention but several dealers i asked told me that they sell
> new/unopened stock as blem to get round manufacturers "price fixing", not
> saying this is always the case but it does happen, try selling an Ipod bel=
ow
> RRP and watch what happens :-)

Yes dealers and manufacturers often use "blem" to unload new
overstocks at less than MAP (min adv price).

The examples I gave are specific to those internet retailers and their
use of the word "blem" or "b-stock/c-stock" and are not necessarily
indicative of "blems" internet-wide.

Greg

>
> --
> daZza
> mr.dazza@"BUT PLUG"gmail . com
> (remove "BUT PLUG" to reply)
> *w w w .thekellyhouse.co.uk*


Reply from: BobF
Date: 11 Apr 2008, 15:00
Re: Buying blem guitars, checking for "hidden" damage

A data point:

Years ago I was shopping for a wine red Les Paul Custom. I found one at a
shop some hour or so drive away. Everything was great except for a finish
run on the back.

I took down the serial no. and contacted Gibson. They didn't give me any
specific info on the serial no., but stated explicitly that Gibson does NOT
sell b-stock. I asked if it was potentially a forgery, and the "Gibson does
NOT sell b-stock" statement was repeated.

So if you find a blem Gibson, it's something that happened -after- it left
Gibson.



Reply from: Tony Done
Date: 11 Apr 2008, 22:44
Re: Buying blem guitars, checking for "hidden" damage


> So if you find a blem Gibson, it's something that happened -after- it left
> Gibson.
>

I don't agree with that. If you find a blem Gibson, it is because they call
it A stock. Many new Gibsons I've seen in Oz have blems, and a blem isn't
and doesn't look the same as shop soiling. There haven't been many Gibsons
in town recently, but two outstanding examples I remember from the stocks
that were here a few years ago are:

Routing feathers in the F-holes of a 335
Routing chatter on the edge binding a an expensive semi-hollow LP-style
model.

Those don't happen after it leaves the factory.


Tony D



Reply from: BobF
Date: 11 Apr 2008, 23:34
Re: Buying blem guitars, checking for "hidden" damage


"Tony Done" <tonydone@bigpond . com > wrote in message
news:V4QLj.675$ko5.65@news-server.bigpond . net .au...
>
>> So if you find a blem Gibson, it's something that happened -after- it
>> left
>> Gibson.
>>
>
> I don't agree with that. If you find a blem Gibson, it is because they
> call it A stock. Many new Gibsons I've seen in Oz have blems, and a blem
> isn't and doesn't look the same as shop soiling. There haven't been many
> Gibsons in town recently, but two outstanding examples I remember from the
> stocks that were here a few years ago are:
>
> Routing feathers in the F-holes of a 335
> Routing chatter on the edge binding a an expensive semi-hollow LP-style
> model.
>
> Those don't happen after it leaves the factory.
>
>
> Tony D
>

Good point.



Reply from: jtees4
Date: 11 Apr 2008, 18:45
Re: Buying blem guitars, checking for "hidden" damage

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:25:37 -0700 (PDT), Rob F
<rfreiberger@gmail . com > wrote:

>I'm a new guitar player, been learning for a few years now and just
>recently got a good practice program.
>
>Around last year I bought my second Strat from Musician's Friend as a
>blem model. It's a white MIM Fat Strat with rosewood fretboard, saved
>a $100 buying the blem version. When I received the guitar I expected
>the worse, but it came in the what looks like unopened packaging, I
>couldn't find a ding anywhere or a finger print any place. Even my
>local guitar guy said it was in perfect condition and not to bother
>with a set up.
>
>So after a good experience with blem, recently I found a Epiphone Les
>Paul Standard Plus for $75 off. It was in the color I wanted so
>figured I go for it.
>
>When I received the guitar I noticed the box looked like it was
>reused, unlike the other boxes I receive from MF. The guitar while
>didn't have any obvious scratches or marks, did have a few finger
>prints, and what looks like very light scratches where the the guitar
>rests against your body. I cleaned it up and the guitar looks brand
>new, and the scratches will come with playing so I didn't mind.
>
>I played it and the guitar feels nice, no buzzing, the pickups sound a
>little hummy. Guess that is normal with the cheaper humbuckers?
>
>So wondering what steps of checking does MF do on return guitars? I'm
>not a guitar expert and from my careful checking I didn't find
>anything major. With the money I saved I'm going to bring this to my
>local guy for a set up and new strings.
>
>Rob
>
>
>
>
I have bought a few blem items over the last few years (none from MF).
I think generally they are a good deal with most reputable online
companies. They rarely have any damage. They may show some signs of
being played...but so do the guitars sitting in Guitar Center.

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