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Learning the notes on the Fret board
In the begining we learn
1. the notes at the NUT, EADGBE so we can tune the machine.
2. Then the notes of a C scale on the 1st three frets,
and with this we can play at
3. fret 12, 13, 14, 15
Soon we learn
4. frets 5 ,6 , and 7 are similar to the nut but shifted a string
over to the bass suide
5. all the notes on the two E strings .
With this knowledge we can play rythms and chords , not realizing,
that often we play the tonic , major 3rd and major 5th,
3 notes = a chord
WE also wish to make the guitar "Cry and sing" as Knoffler puts it.
The desire is strong, to do a Jimi Page or Hendrix, sizzling lick
that makes listeners , LISTEN.
Conflicts soon arise, when trying to play a hot lick, off the cuff.
140 different note positions on a fret board
Perhaps you wish to transpose a lick, to a differnt area or different
key.
There is no time to work out where the "G#s" are
on string 5 they are at fret 10 and 22.
on string 4 they are at fret 5 and 17.
AMazingly enough we manage to play am few decent riffs.
The point I am working towards is that, if you know where the G#s are
located, you can play a G# an octave up or same octave with a
different timbre. Or maybe it is just a transition step, to move your
fingers to a higher tone.
This may give you a sweet double harmonic, or a pull off,. PLaying at
a different position on the fretboard gives you a whole differnt set
of options of what to do with that G#
OH well, we don't know all the notes on the fret board, sowe are
hampered in our creativity.
So thatis a problem a begginner must overcome. Actually no one has
to learn the fret board , and you will still play some sweet music.
But it will be only mediocre or passably good, if your lucky you might
get real good.
You want to be a great player , Right, then do what you must do to be
great.
I am sure there are other seasoned guitarist around here that don't
agree with my assesment. That is fine, Discussion, communication, is
our answer to avoid the school of hard knocks.
I am constantly hearing students being told the same thing.
Grind it out, learn the scales, the chords, notes and songs .
I would like to see some new methods come to light, something that
is not as tedious,
THINK there are other ways to learn this instrument.
It does not mean that you don't need to learn this things, It means
that music has been taughtthe same way, for quite a while.
Things are changing, the methods of learning need to improve
Derek says 10,000 hours of practice to be a great player.
Practicing an hour a day, it will only take 30 years.
Maybe we need to revise that figure lower, because some people learn
quickly.
Stunt our abilites by not learning the notess on the fret board.
is one way to be mediocre after 30 years of playing
If you have been playing a guitar for more than a year or two, and if
you want to be good at it, instead of the typical mediocre player.
Then learn the fretboard???
your skill with lead guitar will skyrocket.
So you cheat the reaper , short cut learning, by making it easy to
learn.
The modern rock star, has to be a better player than Chuck Berry of
50 yeqrs ago. Guitar skills are at a higher level then yester year.
Teaching has to keep up the pace.
One thing about music teachers, they are passionate about the subject.
Burning desire, thats what motivates them, it is inside.
Translating a musician into a teacher is not for the weak minded.
I was playing with a good ole boy from Oklahoma. Daily rock and roll
while listening to CDs.
Well the Okey was a better player than I was, he played by ear.
I could read music, but not fast enough to jam to a CD.
So one day I bought a guitar practice book. A book of Lead licks,
In there were these punched out , circles with stick-um and the name
of the notes.
The idea was to put a dot on each fret so you could see the name of
the notes.
Needless to say I caught hell for actually sticking those dots on my
Stratocaster, but I was desperate to shorten the distance in our
playing abilities.
Goofy as it may sound, it really worked, at first I could play licks
in differents spots, getting creative. My leads were starting to
come on strong, and the Oklahoma dude was loosing the battle of lead
guitar, he could still out strum me, but I did not care, because my
skill with the guitar, was jumping out ahead, keeping me excited.
It was not long before the dots began to wear off , but it did not
matter because I had the Frets and notes figured out , at least up
to fret 14..
A second bonus, scales were easier play, when playing a song, I knew
what notes I was playing instead of relying on finger memmory and
repetition only. I had a front row seat of what notes and scale the
song was in. Wow What a difference knowing what I was doing made.
If I make an analogy
Suppose you were trying to read a book, but did not know how to spell
words. It would be frustrating to do year after year, but you might
read the book, one sentance or one word at a time. YOu probably would
never finish the book, but you would have some idea about whether it
was an adventure, or romantic theme.
You can buy different colored stickum dots, a different color for
the 7 notes , let the sharps and flats go without.
Open up a new world in that fret board, it is all right there, we
just need to learn how to see it , how to read it, how it sounds, G#
sound like that!!! WOW , make the connection, the name of the note
to the particular sound frequency.
There are a lot of ways to tune a guitar, You soon find ou, several
new ways when you know notes.
12 half steps is an octive, a guitar spans three octaves
12 notes and 144 fret positions
144 / 12 = 12
each note can be played in 12 positions over 3 octaves
each note is repeated 4 times , in an octive.
Now if anyone has a way to learn frets that is easier .
or if you have another method of learning the fret board.
Please tell us about it .
<Insert CAGED theory here>
I know some of you are MUSIC TEACHERS, I can tell by the dogmatic
posts I read here.
Your opinions are valuble.
Pholtron
(Go-Bot)
<--====-->
All learning -
begins in darknesssssss,
and ends, in the lighttttt.
In the begining we learn
1. the notes at the NUT, EADGBE so we can tune the machine.
2. Then the notes of a C scale on the 1st three frets,
and with this we can play at
3. fret 12, 13, 14, 15
Soon we learn
4. frets 5 ,6 , and 7 are similar to the nut but shifted a string
over to the bass suide
5. all the notes on the two E strings .
With this knowledge we can play rythms and chords , not realizing,
that often we play the tonic , major 3rd and major 5th,
3 notes = a chord
WE also wish to make the guitar "Cry and sing" as Knoffler puts it.
The desire is strong, to do a Jimi Page or Hendrix, sizzling lick
that makes listeners , LISTEN.
Conflicts soon arise, when trying to play a hot lick, off the cuff.
140 different note positions on a fret board
Perhaps you wish to transpose a lick, to a differnt area or different
key.
There is no time to work out where the "G#s" are
on string 5 they are at fret 10 and 22.
on string 4 they are at fret 5 and 17.
AMazingly enough we manage to play am few decent riffs.
The point I am working towards is that, if you know where the G#s are
located, you can play a G# an octave up or same octave with a
different timbre. Or maybe it is just a transition step, to move your
fingers to a higher tone.
This may give you a sweet double harmonic, or a pull off,. PLaying at
a different position on the fretboard gives you a whole differnt set
of options of what to do with that G#
OH well, we don't know all the notes on the fret board, sowe are
hampered in our creativity.
So thatis a problem a begginner must overcome. Actually no one has
to learn the fret board , and you will still play some sweet music.
But it will be only mediocre or passably good, if your lucky you might
get real good.
You want to be a great player , Right, then do what you must do to be
great.
I am sure there are other seasoned guitarist around here that don't
agree with my assesment. That is fine, Discussion, communication, is
our answer to avoid the school of hard knocks.
I am constantly hearing students being told the same thing.
Grind it out, learn the scales, the chords, notes and songs .
I would like to see some new methods come to light, something that
is not as tedious,
THINK there are other ways to learn this instrument.
It does not mean that you don't need to learn this things, It means
that music has been taughtthe same way, for quite a while.
Things are changing, the methods of learning need to improve
Derek says 10,000 hours of practice to be a great player.
Practicing an hour a day, it will only take 30 years.
Maybe we need to revise that figure lower, because some people learn
quickly.
Stunt our abilites by not learning the notess on the fret board.
is one way to be mediocre after 30 years of playing
If you have been playing a guitar for more than a year or two, and if
you want to be good at it, instead of the typical mediocre player.
Then learn the fretboard???
your skill with lead guitar will skyrocket.
So you cheat the reaper , short cut learning, by making it easy to
learn.
The modern rock star, has to be a better player than Chuck Berry of
50 yeqrs ago. Guitar skills are at a higher level then yester year.
Teaching has to keep up the pace.
One thing about music teachers, they are passionate about the subject.
Burning desire, thats what motivates them, it is inside.
Translating a musician into a teacher is not for the weak minded.
I was playing with a good ole boy from Oklahoma. Daily rock and roll
while listening to CDs.
Well the Okey was a better player than I was, he played by ear.
I could read music, but not fast enough to jam to a CD.
So one day I bought a guitar practice book. A book of Lead licks,
In there were these punched out , circles with stick-um and the name
of the notes.
The idea was to put a dot on each fret so you could see the name of
the notes.
Needless to say I caught hell for actually sticking those dots on my
Stratocaster, but I was desperate to shorten the distance in our
playing abilities.
Goofy as it may sound, it really worked, at first I could play licks
in differents spots, getting creative. My leads were starting to
come on strong, and the Oklahoma dude was loosing the battle of lead
guitar, he could still out strum me, but I did not care, because my
skill with the guitar, was jumping out ahead, keeping me excited.
It was not long before the dots began to wear off , but it did not
matter because I had the Frets and notes figured out , at least up
to fret 14..
A second bonus, scales were easier play, when playing a song, I knew
what notes I was playing instead of relying on finger memmory and
repetition only. I had a front row seat of what notes and scale the
song was in. Wow What a difference knowing what I was doing made.
If I make an analogy
Suppose you were trying to read a book, but did not know how to spell
words. It would be frustrating to do year after year, but you might
read the book, one sentance or one word at a time. YOu probably would
never finish the book, but you would have some idea about whether it
was an adventure, or romantic theme.
You can buy different colored stickum dots, a different color for
the 7 notes , let the sharps and flats go without.
Open up a new world in that fret board, it is all right there, we
just need to learn how to see it , how to read it, how it sounds, G#
sound like that!!! WOW , make the connection, the name of the note
to the particular sound frequency.
There are a lot of ways to tune a guitar, You soon find ou, several
new ways when you know notes.
12 half steps is an octive, a guitar spans three octaves
12 notes and 144 fret positions
144 / 12 = 12
each note can be played in 12 positions over 3 octaves
each note is repeated 4 times , in an octive.
Now if anyone has a way to learn frets that is easier .
or if you have another method of learning the fret board.
Please tell us about it .
<Insert CAGED theory here>
I know some of you are MUSIC TEACHERS, I can tell by the dogmatic
posts I read here.
Your opinions are valuble.
Pholtron
(Go-Bot)
<--====-->
All learning -
begins in darknesssssss,
and ends, in the lighttttt.
Re: Learning the notes on the Fret board
Pholtron wrote:
>Derek says 10,000 hours of practice to be a great player.
>Practicing an hour a day, it will only take 30 years.
Not exactly what I said, but close. I was quoting a study published
that found that it requires about 10,000 hours of FOCUSED practice to
master an instrument.
If you are going to go at it 1 hour per day, fugetaboutit!
When you read about your heros, almost without exception there were a
few years fairly early on when they put in 8+ hours daily for an
extended period of time.
Here is the article I referenced that talks about this sort of thing.
* w w w .progressdaily . com /2006/11/10/practice/
Also, another tool to learn the fretboard is some freeware called
fretboard warrior. I use it occasionally, and like it.
w w w . fr etboardwarrior . com
Pholtron wrote:
>Derek says 10,000 hours of practice to be a great player.
>Practicing an hour a day, it will only take 30 years.
Not exactly what I said, but close. I was quoting a study published
that found that it requires about 10,000 hours of FOCUSED practice to
master an instrument.
If you are going to go at it 1 hour per day, fugetaboutit!
When you read about your heros, almost without exception there were a
few years fairly early on when they put in 8+ hours daily for an
extended period of time.
Here is the article I referenced that talks about this sort of thing.
* w w w .progressdaily . com /2006/11/10/practice/
Also, another tool to learn the fretboard is some freeware called
fretboard warrior. I use it occasionally, and like it.
w w w . fr etboardwarrior . com
Re: Learning the notes on the Fret board
On Apr 15, 11:44 am, Derek <de...@ycoaoffice . com > wrote:
> Pholtron wrote:
> >Derek says 10,000 hours of practice to be a great player.
> >Practicing an hour a day, it will only take 30 years.
>
> Not exactly what I said, but close. I was quoting a study published
> that found that it requires about 10,000 hours of FOCUSED practice to
> master an instrument.
>
> If you are going to go at it 1 hour per day, fugetaboutit!
>
> When you read about your heros, almost without exception there were a
> few years fairly early on when they put in 8+ hours daily for an
> extended period of time.
>
> Here is the article I referenced that talks about this sort of thing.
>
> * w w w .progressdaily . com /2006/11/10/practice/
>
> Also, another tool to learn the fretboard is some freeware called
> fretboard warrior. I use it occasionally, and like it.
>
> w w w . fr etboardwarrior . com
I've started going through a book called "Guitar Fretboard Workbook".
It is exceedingly slow going and you have to fill in worksheets before
you play them. In the very little bit of time I've spent in it so far
it is making a difference. Every time I open it I come away with a
little bit of something that I didn't have before. My home study
program is spent half learning and playing tabs and half in the
Fretboard Workbook. That way I get to have a little fun and still get
a diet of learning.
* w w w .amazon . com /Guitar-Fretboard-Workbook-Barrett-Tagliarino/dp/0634049011/ref=pd ys iyr1
My plan is to start with paid lessons after I complete the workbook.
There's no sense in wasting a teacher's time or my money until I can
at least speak the same language as them.
On Apr 15, 11:44 am, Derek <de...@ycoaoffice . com > wrote:
> Pholtron wrote:
> >Derek says 10,000 hours of practice to be a great player.
> >Practicing an hour a day, it will only take 30 years.
>
> Not exactly what I said, but close. I was quoting a study published
> that found that it requires about 10,000 hours of FOCUSED practice to
> master an instrument.
>
> If you are going to go at it 1 hour per day, fugetaboutit!
>
> When you read about your heros, almost without exception there were a
> few years fairly early on when they put in 8+ hours daily for an
> extended period of time.
>
> Here is the article I referenced that talks about this sort of thing.
>
> * w w w .progressdaily . com /2006/11/10/practice/
>
> Also, another tool to learn the fretboard is some freeware called
> fretboard warrior. I use it occasionally, and like it.
>
> w w w . fr etboardwarrior . com
I've started going through a book called "Guitar Fretboard Workbook".
It is exceedingly slow going and you have to fill in worksheets before
you play them. In the very little bit of time I've spent in it so far
it is making a difference. Every time I open it I come away with a
little bit of something that I didn't have before. My home study
program is spent half learning and playing tabs and half in the
Fretboard Workbook. That way I get to have a little fun and still get
a diet of learning.
* w w w .amazon . com /Guitar-Fretboard-Workbook-Barrett-Tagliarino/dp/0634049011/ref=pd ys iyr1
My plan is to start with paid lessons after I complete the workbook.
There's no sense in wasting a teacher's time or my money until I can
at least speak the same language as them.
Re: Learning the notes on the Fret board
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:17:51 -0700 (PDT), Jeepnstein
<jeepnstein@verizon . net > wrote:
>On Apr 15, 11:44 am, Derek <de...@ycoaoffice . com > wrote:
>> Pholtron wrote:
>> >Derek says 10,000 hours of practice to be a great player.
>> >Practicing an hour a day, it will only take 30 years.
>>
>> Not exactly what I said, but close. I was quoting a study published
>> that found that it requires about 10,000 hours of FOCUSED practice to
>> master an instrument.
>>
>> If you are going to go at it 1 hour per day, fugetaboutit!
>>
>> When you read about your heros, almost without exception there were a
>> few years fairly early on when they put in 8+ hours daily for an
>> extended period of time.
>>
>> Here is the article I referenced that talks about this sort of thing.
>>
>> * w w w .progressdaily . com /2006/11/10/practice/
>>
>> Also, another tool to learn the fretboard is some freeware called
>> fretboard warrior. I use it occasionally, and like it.
>>
>> w w w . fr etboardwarrior . com
>
>I've started going through a book called "Guitar Fretboard Workbook".
>It is exceedingly slow going and you have to fill in worksheets before
>you play them. In the very little bit of time I've spent in it so far
>it is making a difference. Every time I open it I come away with a
>little bit of something that I didn't have before. My home study
>program is spent half learning and playing tabs and half in the
>Fretboard Workbook. That way I get to have a little fun and still get
>a diet of learning.
>
> * w w w .amazon . com /Guitar-Fretboard-Workbook-Barrett-Tagliarino/dp/0634049011/ref=pd_ys_iyr1
>
>My plan is to start with paid lessons after I complete the workbook.
>There's no sense in wasting a teacher's time or my money until I can
>at least speak the same language as them.
That sounds like a great way to learn the notes,
Pholtron
(Go-Bot)
<--====-->
All learning -
begins in darknesssssss,
and ends, in the lighttttt.
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:17:51 -0700 (PDT), Jeepnstein
<jeepnstein@verizon . net > wrote:
>On Apr 15, 11:44 am, Derek <de...@ycoaoffice . com > wrote:
>> Pholtron wrote:
>> >Derek says 10,000 hours of practice to be a great player.
>> >Practicing an hour a day, it will only take 30 years.
>>
>> Not exactly what I said, but close. I was quoting a study published
>> that found that it requires about 10,000 hours of FOCUSED practice to
>> master an instrument.
>>
>> If you are going to go at it 1 hour per day, fugetaboutit!
>>
>> When you read about your heros, almost without exception there were a
>> few years fairly early on when they put in 8+ hours daily for an
>> extended period of time.
>>
>> Here is the article I referenced that talks about this sort of thing.
>>
>> * w w w .progressdaily . com /2006/11/10/practice/
>>
>> Also, another tool to learn the fretboard is some freeware called
>> fretboard warrior. I use it occasionally, and like it.
>>
>> w w w . fr etboardwarrior . com
>
>I've started going through a book called "Guitar Fretboard Workbook".
>It is exceedingly slow going and you have to fill in worksheets before
>you play them. In the very little bit of time I've spent in it so far
>it is making a difference. Every time I open it I come away with a
>little bit of something that I didn't have before. My home study
>program is spent half learning and playing tabs and half in the
>Fretboard Workbook. That way I get to have a little fun and still get
>a diet of learning.
>
> * w w w .amazon . com /Guitar-Fretboard-Workbook-Barrett-Tagliarino/dp/0634049011/ref=pd_ys_iyr1
>
>My plan is to start with paid lessons after I complete the workbook.
>There's no sense in wasting a teacher's time or my money until I can
>at least speak the same language as them.
That sounds like a great way to learn the notes,
Pholtron
(Go-Bot)
<--====-->
All learning -
begins in darknesssssss,
and ends, in the lighttttt.
Re: Learning the notes on the Fret board
Derek expounded in news:eadfb860-f346-4df4-adb4-d4a008a02506
@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups . com :
> * w w w .progressdaily . com /2006/11/10/practice/
What's rather interesting is there finding that:
"..the most gifted children required just as much practice as the less
gifted ones: in fact, if anything, there was a tendency for them to require
more. For instance, the most gifted group required on average 971 hours of
cumulated practice to reach Grade 4, while a less talented group took 656
hours. The high figure in the former group is boosted by a small number of
young people who practiced for exceptionally long periods of time, but even
when these individuals are excluded, there is still no evidence that more
gifted people can get by on less practice."
I must be in the gifted group -- since I require more practice!! ;-)
Snark.
** Posted from * w w w .teranews . com **
Derek expounded in news:eadfb860-f346-4df4-adb4-d4a008a02506
@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups . com :
> * w w w .progressdaily . com /2006/11/10/practice/
What's rather interesting is there finding that:
"..the most gifted children required just as much practice as the less
gifted ones: in fact, if anything, there was a tendency for them to require
more. For instance, the most gifted group required on average 971 hours of
cumulated practice to reach Grade 4, while a less talented group took 656
hours. The high figure in the former group is boosted by a small number of
young people who practiced for exceptionally long periods of time, but even
when these individuals are excluded, there is still no evidence that more
gifted people can get by on less practice."
I must be in the gifted group -- since I require more practice!! ;-)
Snark.
** Posted from * w w w .teranews . com **
Re: Learning the notes on the Fret board
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:44:49 -0700 (PDT), Derek <derek@ycoaoffice . com >
wrote:
> Pholtron wrote:
>
>>Derek says 10,000 hours of practice to be a great player.
>>Practicing an hour a day, it will only take 30 years.
>
>Not exactly what I said, but close. I was quoting a study published
>that found that it requires about 10,000 hours of FOCUSED practice to
>master an instrument.
>
>If you are going to go at it 1 hour per day, fugetaboutit!
>
>When you read about your heros, almost without exception there were a
>few years fairly early on when they put in 8+ hours daily for an
>extended period of time.
>
>Here is the article I referenced that talks about this sort of thing.
>
> * w w w .progressdaily . com /2006/11/10/practice/
>
>Also, another tool to learn the fretboard is some freeware called
>fretboard warrior. I use it occasionally, and like it.
>
>w w w . fr etboardwarrior . com
>
>
It was a shocking statistic, and very interesting.
Can we master a guitar??
Thanks for the link to fretboard warrior , I will check it out.
Pholtron
(Go-Bot)
<--====-->
All learning -
begins in darknesssssss,
and ends, in the lighttttt.
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:44:49 -0700 (PDT), Derek <derek@ycoaoffice . com >
wrote:
> Pholtron wrote:
>
>>Derek says 10,000 hours of practice to be a great player.
>>Practicing an hour a day, it will only take 30 years.
>
>Not exactly what I said, but close. I was quoting a study published
>that found that it requires about 10,000 hours of FOCUSED practice to
>master an instrument.
>
>If you are going to go at it 1 hour per day, fugetaboutit!
>
>When you read about your heros, almost without exception there were a
>few years fairly early on when they put in 8+ hours daily for an
>extended period of time.
>
>Here is the article I referenced that talks about this sort of thing.
>
> * w w w .progressdaily . com /2006/11/10/practice/
>
>Also, another tool to learn the fretboard is some freeware called
>fretboard warrior. I use it occasionally, and like it.
>
>w w w . fr etboardwarrior . com
>
>
It was a shocking statistic, and very interesting.
Can we master a guitar??
Thanks for the link to fretboard warrior , I will check it out.
Pholtron
(Go-Bot)
<--====-->
All learning -
begins in darknesssssss,
and ends, in the lighttttt.
Re: Learning the notes on the Fret board
When I began learning, I took a 3 x 5 card drew the frets and strings length
wise and wrote the notes down at each fret. I carried this to work with me
and studied it for a few minutes every couple of hours. After 2 months I
didn't forget anymore. I also did this with key signatures and the staff...
It worked for me.
When I began learning, I took a 3 x 5 card drew the frets and strings length
wise and wrote the notes down at each fret. I carried this to work with me
and studied it for a few minutes every couple of hours. After 2 months I
didn't forget anymore. I also did this with key signatures and the staff...
It worked for me.
Re: Learning the notes on the Fret board
uragoner wrote:
> When I began learning, I took a 3 x 5 card drew the frets and strings length
> wise and wrote the notes down at each fret. I carried this to work with me
> and studied it for a few minutes every couple of hours. After 2 months I
> didn't forget anymore. I also did this with key signatures and the staff...
> It worked for me.
I'm curious, now that you have the fretboard map memorized in your
head, what does this enable you to do ?
Paul P
uragoner wrote:
> When I began learning, I took a 3 x 5 card drew the frets and strings length
> wise and wrote the notes down at each fret. I carried this to work with me
> and studied it for a few minutes every couple of hours. After 2 months I
> didn't forget anymore. I also did this with key signatures and the staff...
> It worked for me.
I'm curious, now that you have the fretboard map memorized in your
head, what does this enable you to do ?
Paul P
Re: Learning the notes on the Fret board
Snarky wrote:
>I must be in the gifted group -- since I require more practice!! ;-)
I have always considered you "gifted". :-)
Snarky wrote:
>I must be in the gifted group -- since I require more practice!! ;-)
I have always considered you "gifted". :-)
Re: Learning the notes on the Fret board
Derek expounded in news:ab60521f-b1c1-40f8-9495-
9bcf223ca2ff@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups . com :
> Snarky wrote:
>
>>I must be in the gifted group -- since I require more practice!! ;-)
>
> I have always considered you "gifted". :-)
8P
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Derek expounded in news:ab60521f-b1c1-40f8-9495-
9bcf223ca2ff@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups . com :
> Snarky wrote:
>
>>I must be in the gifted group -- since I require more practice!! ;-)
>
> I have always considered you "gifted". :-)
8P
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Re: Learning the notes on the Fret board
Paul P wrote:
> I'm curious, now that you have the fretboard map memorized in your
> head, what does this enable you to do ?
Good question Paul, that by itself (I have it memorized also) probably
doesn't do much for you.
Could make for a party trick that would get really boring, really
fast.
But that knowledge coupled with knowledge of chord construction,
triads, and notes of each scale gives you the knowledge to begin to
command the instrument.
It doesn't take into account technique, but it certainly helps you
connect the dots.
Since I know these things, I can find various scales, triads or chords
all over the fretboard, so I don't have to stay in one familiar box,
or jump to another end if a tune calls for a chord I only know at the
other end of the board.
Paul P wrote:
> I'm curious, now that you have the fretboard map memorized in your
> head, what does this enable you to do ?
Good question Paul, that by itself (I have it memorized also) probably
doesn't do much for you.
Could make for a party trick that would get really boring, really
fast.
But that knowledge coupled with knowledge of chord construction,
triads, and notes of each scale gives you the knowledge to begin to
command the instrument.
It doesn't take into account technique, but it certainly helps you
connect the dots.
Since I know these things, I can find various scales, triads or chords
all over the fretboard, so I don't have to stay in one familiar box,
or jump to another end if a tune calls for a chord I only know at the
other end of the board.
Re: Learning the notes on the Fret board
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:33:23 -0700 (PDT), Derek <derek@ycoaoffice . com >
wrote:
> Paul P wrote:
>
>> I'm curious, now that you have the fretboard map memorized in your
>> head, what does this enable you to do ?
>
>Good question Paul, that by itself (I have it memorized also) probably
>doesn't do much for you.
>
>Could make for a party trick that would get really boring, really
>fast.
>
>But that knowledge coupled with knowledge of chord construction,
>triads, and notes of each scale gives you the knowledge to begin to
>command the instrument.
Well stated.
>
>It doesn't take into account technique, but it certainly helps you
>connect the dots.
>
>Since I know these things, I can find various scales, triads or chords
>all over the fretboard, so I don't have to stay in one familiar box,
>or jump to another end if a tune calls for a chord I only know at the
>other end of the board.
Pholtron
(Go-Bot)
<--====-->
All learning -
begins in darknesssssss,
and ends, in the lighttttt.
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:33:23 -0700 (PDT), Derek <derek@ycoaoffice . com >
wrote:
> Paul P wrote:
>
>> I'm curious, now that you have the fretboard map memorized in your
>> head, what does this enable you to do ?
>
>Good question Paul, that by itself (I have it memorized also) probably
>doesn't do much for you.
>
>Could make for a party trick that would get really boring, really
>fast.
>
>But that knowledge coupled with knowledge of chord construction,
>triads, and notes of each scale gives you the knowledge to begin to
>command the instrument.
Well stated.
>
>It doesn't take into account technique, but it certainly helps you
>connect the dots.
>
>Since I know these things, I can find various scales, triads or chords
>all over the fretboard, so I don't have to stay in one familiar box,
>or jump to another end if a tune calls for a chord I only know at the
>other end of the board.
Pholtron
(Go-Bot)
<--====-->
All learning -
begins in darknesssssss,
and ends, in the lighttttt.
Re: Learning the notes on the Fret board
Derek writes:
> Paul P wrote:
>
>
>>I'm curious, now that you have the fretboard map memorized in your
>>head, what does this enable you to do ?
>...
> But that knowledge coupled with knowledge of chord construction,
> triads, and notes of each scale gives you the knowledge to begin to
> command the instrument.
> ...
> Since I know these things, I can find various scales, triads or chords
> all over the fretboard, so I don't have to stay in one familiar box,
> or jump to another end if a tune calls for a chord I only know at the
> other end of the board.
I think there's a difference between playing theory, like a lot
of jazz musicians do, and playing music. I'm pretty sure Derek
that you're very capable of both. Which do you prefer, playing
something that requires you constantly monitor what key, scale,
or mode you're in, what the usual possibilities are for movement
from where you're currently at, how you're going to eventually
get back to the home key, etc, etc, or playing from your heart
whatever feelings you've got inside that would like to flow out ?
Which do you think a general audience would prefer ? I think
jazz players can get off on following a musician's prowess at
manipulating intellectual/musical constructs, like experienced
chess players would enjoy watching a game between two experts,
but this sort of thing will go right past a normal person.
Because there isn't anything to feel.
I suggest that a beginner who's playing while worrying about
where they are on the map in their heads, what scale they're in,
where their thumb is, etc, isn't going to produce much that can
be felt either.
Paul P
Derek writes:
> Paul P wrote:
>
>
>>I'm curious, now that you have the fretboard map memorized in your
>>head, what does this enable you to do ?
>...
> But that knowledge coupled with knowledge of chord construction,
> triads, and notes of each scale gives you the knowledge to begin to
> command the instrument.
> ...
> Since I know these things, I can find various scales, triads or chords
> all over the fretboard, so I don't have to stay in one familiar box,
> or jump to another end if a tune calls for a chord I only know at the
> other end of the board.
I think there's a difference between playing theory, like a lot
of jazz musicians do, and playing music. I'm pretty sure Derek
that you're very capable of both. Which do you prefer, playing
something that requires you constantly monitor what key, scale,
or mode you're in, what the usual possibilities are for movement
from where you're currently at, how you're going to eventually
get back to the home key, etc, etc, or playing from your heart
whatever feelings you've got inside that would like to flow out ?
Which do you think a general audience would prefer ? I think
jazz players can get off on following a musician's prowess at
manipulating intellectual/musical constructs, like experienced
chess players would enjoy watching a game between two experts,
but this sort of thing will go right past a normal person.
Because there isn't anything to feel.
I suggest that a beginner who's playing while worrying about
where they are on the map in their heads, what scale they're in,
where their thumb is, etc, isn't going to produce much that can
be felt either.
Paul P
Re: Learning the notes on the Fret board
Paul P wrote:
> I think there's a difference between playing theory, like a lot
> of jazz musicians do, and playing music. I'm pretty sure Derek
> that you're very capable of both. Which do you prefer, playing
> something that requires you constantly monitor what key, scale,
> or mode you're in, what the usual possibilities are for movement
> from where you're currently at, how you're going to eventually
> get back to the home key, etc, etc, or playing from your heart
> whatever feelings you've got inside that would like to flow out ?
Not speaking for Derek, obviously...
I don't "play theory". I play music. Theory, if I
or you or anyone else wants to apply it, can be
used to describe what I played.
Our natural desire to hear the G7 chord resolve to C
is not a result of people applying the names "G7"
and "C" or any other music theory terms.
In other words, "Mr totally non-theory" and
"Mr theory head" are most likely going to come
up with solos that sound pretty similar. Same
number of note possibilities. Same number of
rhythmic subdivisions. Same number of harmonic
possibilities. Only difference is that "Mr theory head"
uses one set of terms to describe it. The other guy
uses some other set of terms to describe his.
The "Mr theory head" approach has the obvious benefit
of being portable. He can tell me and I can tell Derek
and Derek can tell Buffy and Sissy and all the little
people and we all know what we mean. We are speaking
the same language when we say "G7 to C". The other
guy wouldn't know what we're talking about, nor would
we know what he is talking about. Language barrier.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
w w w .LumpyMusic . com
Paul P wrote:
> I think there's a difference between playing theory, like a lot
> of jazz musicians do, and playing music. I'm pretty sure Derek
> that you're very capable of both. Which do you prefer, playing
> something that requires you constantly monitor what key, scale,
> or mode you're in, what the usual possibilities are for movement
> from where you're currently at, how you're going to eventually
> get back to the home key, etc, etc, or playing from your heart
> whatever feelings you've got inside that would like to flow out ?
Not speaking for Derek, obviously...
I don't "play theory". I play music. Theory, if I
or you or anyone else wants to apply it, can be
used to describe what I played.
Our natural desire to hear the G7 chord resolve to C
is not a result of people applying the names "G7"
and "C" or any other music theory terms.
In other words, "Mr totally non-theory" and
"Mr theory head" are most likely going to come
up with solos that sound pretty similar. Same
number of note possibilities. Same number of
rhythmic subdivisions. Same number of harmonic
possibilities. Only difference is that "Mr theory head"
uses one set of terms to describe it. The other guy
uses some other set of terms to describe his.
The "Mr theory head" approach has the obvious benefit
of being portable. He can tell me and I can tell Derek
and Derek can tell Buffy and Sissy and all the little
people and we all know what we mean. We are speaking
the same language when we say "G7 to C". The other
guy wouldn't know what we're talking about, nor would
we know what he is talking about. Language barrier.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
w w w .LumpyMusic . com
Re: Learning the notes on the Fret board
Say what?
:)
-Larry
"Lumpy" <lumpy@digitalcartography . com > wrote in message
news:66mrtoF2lqll5U1@mid.individual . net ...
> I don't "play theory". I play music. Theory, if I
> or you or anyone else wants to apply it, can be
> used to describe what I played.
>
> Our natural desire to hear the G7 chord resolve to C
> is not a result of people applying the names "G7"
> and "C" or any other music theory terms.
>
> In other words, "Mr totally non-theory" and
> "Mr theory head" are most likely going to come
> up with solos that sound pretty similar. Same
> number of note possibilities. Same number of
> rhythmic subdivisions. Same number of harmonic
> possibilities. Only difference is that "Mr theory head"
> uses one set of terms to describe it. The other guy
> uses some other set of terms to describe his.
>
> The "Mr theory head" approach has the obvious benefit
> of being portable. He can tell me and I can tell Derek
> and Derek can tell Buffy and Sissy and all the little
> people and we all know what we mean. We are speaking
> the same language when we say "G7 to C". The other
> guy wouldn't know what we're talking about, nor would
> we know what he is talking about. Language barrier.
>
>
> Lumpy
>
> In Your Ears for 40 Years
> w w w .LumpyMusic . com
>
>
>
Say what?
:)
-Larry
"Lumpy" <lumpy@digitalcartography . com > wrote in message
news:66mrtoF2lqll5U1@mid.individual . net ...
> I don't "play theory". I play music. Theory, if I
> or you or anyone else wants to apply it, can be
> used to describe what I played.
>
> Our natural desire to hear the G7 chord resolve to C
> is not a result of people applying the names "G7"
> and "C" or any other music theory terms.
>
> In other words, "Mr totally non-theory" and
> "Mr theory head" are most likely going to come
> up with solos that sound pretty similar. Same
> number of note possibilities. Same number of
> rhythmic subdivisions. Same number of harmonic
> possibilities. Only difference is that "Mr theory head"
> uses one set of terms to describe it. The other guy
> uses some other set of terms to describe his.
>
> The "Mr theory head" approach has the obvious benefit
> of being portable. He can tell me and I can tell Derek
> and Derek can tell Buffy and Sissy and all the little
> people and we all know what we mean. We are speaking
> the same language when we say "G7 to C". The other
> guy wouldn't know what we're talking about, nor would
> we know what he is talking about. Language barrier.
>
>
> Lumpy
>
> In Your Ears for 40 Years
> w w w .LumpyMusic . com
>
>
>
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