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The age old question - solid state or valve?
Have modelling amps reached the point where they effectively mimic true
valve characteristics convincingly???

Re: amps

Bryan wrote:
> The age old question - solid state or valve?
> Have modelling amps reached the point where they effectively mimic true
> valve characteristics convincingly???
>
>

The weight factor makes the decision for me. Not worth the lugging and
the valve replacing. It's not like I have roadies.



--
Stephen
Ballina, Australia

Re: amps

On Apr 22, 2:55 am, Stephen Calder <cald...@in . com .au> wrote:
> Bryan wrote:
> > The age old question - solid state or valve?
> > Have modelling amps reached the point where they effectively mimic true
> > valve characteristics convincingly???
>
> The weight factor makes the decision for me. Not worth the lugging and
> the valve replacing. It's not like I have roadies.
>
> --
> Stephen
> Ballina, Australia

As for solid state amps I like a Roland Jazz Chorus 120 but they are
bigger and heavier than a Twin Revrb.
My regular amp these days is a 1965 Epiphone EA-50 tube amp.
12 watts with a 10 inch speaker.
I put new caps in it and a Weber speaker.
I use it at rehearsals, mic'ed on stage, unmic'ed at smaller gigs and
jams.
Can stay with a loud drummer.
This amp is tone to the bone.
And it weighs 22 pounds..

Pt

Pt

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"Pt" <peatea@yahoo . com > wrote in message
news:53a48a60-cde0-4663-afa2-0265b407de65@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups . com ...
On Apr 22, 2:55 am, Stephen Calder <cald...@in . com .au> wrote:
> Bryan wrote:
> > The age old question - solid state or valve?
> > Have modelling amps reached the point where they effectively mimic true
> > valve characteristics convincingly???
>
> The weight factor makes the decision for me. Not worth the lugging and
> the valve replacing. It's not like I have roadies.
>
> --
> Stephen
> Ballina, Australia

As for solid state amps I like a Roland Jazz Chorus 120 but they are
bigger and heavier than a Twin Revrb.
My regular amp these days is a 1965 Epiphone EA-50 tube amp.
12 watts with a 10 inch speaker.
I put new caps in it and a Weber speaker.
I use it at rehearsals, mic'ed on stage, unmic'ed at smaller gigs and
jams.
Can stay with a loud drummer.
This amp is tone to the bone.
And it weighs 22 pounds..

Pt

Pt

Thanks,just wondered if the thick glasses brigade has managed to duplicate
the sound of a good valve setup with transistors yet...

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"Bryan" <bconrad@dodo . com .au> wrote in message
news:480dac7f$0$23379$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra . net ...
> Thanks,just wondered if the thick glasses brigade has managed to duplicate
> the sound of a good valve setup with transistors yet...

Of course not.

Amazing how no one really is answering the real question
you had. OK except for me :- )


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Re: amps

"Stephen Calder" <calder9@in . com .au> wrote in message
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> Bryan wrote:
>> The age old question - solid state or valve?
>> Have modelling amps reached the point where they effectively mimic true
>> valve characteristics convincingly???
>
> The weight factor makes the decision for me. Not worth the lugging and the
> valve replacing. It's not like I have roadies.


Awesome. That is not what the OP asked about. He did not ask if the SS
weighed more or less than the valve. Good going!

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Greg Cisko <gcisko@hotmail . com > wrote:
> "Stephen Calder" <calder9@in . com .au> wrote in message
> news:480d9a08@news.mel.dft . com .au...
>> Bryan wrote:
>>> The age old question - solid state or valve?
>>> Have modelling amps reached the point where they effectively mimic
>>> true valve characteristics convincingly???
>>
>> The weight factor makes the decision for me. Not worth the lugging
>> and the valve replacing. It's not like I have roadies.
>
>
> Awesome. That is not what the OP asked about. He did not ask if the SS
> weighed more or less than the valve. Good going!

It's always a pleasure to read your posts, Greg.
Do you eat nails for breakfast?

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"RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo . com > wrote in message
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> Greg Cisko <gcisko@hotmail . com > wrote:
>> "Stephen Calder" <calder9@in . com .au> wrote in message
>> news:480d9a08@news.mel.dft . com .au...
>>> Bryan wrote:
>>>> The age old question - solid state or valve?
>>>> Have modelling amps reached the point where they effectively mimic
>>>> true valve characteristics convincingly???
>>>
>>> The weight factor makes the decision for me. Not worth the lugging
>>> and the valve replacing. It's not like I have roadies.
>>
>>
>> Awesome. That is not what the OP asked about. He did not ask if the SS
>> weighed more or less than the valve. Good going!
>
> It's always a pleasure to read your posts, Greg.
> Do you eat nails for breakfast?


Not at all. Besides don't make it about me. I answered the question as
you did. Excuse me for pointing out that someone gave an answer that
had nothing to do with the question.

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Re: amps

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:55:55 GMT, Stephen Calder <calder9@in . com .au>
wrote:

>Bryan wrote:
>> The age old question - solid state or valve?
>> Have modelling amps reached the point where they effectively mimic true
>> valve characteristics convincingly???
>>
>>
>
>The weight factor makes the decision for me. Not worth the lugging and
>the valve replacing. It's not like I have roadies.

I hauled around a Marshall Major in the 70's. My back still hurts.
These days (I am 50 now) I judge both amps and guitar by sound, feel
AND WEIGHT. I recently bought a Super Champ XD and at 24 pounds it's
perfect, and real tubes at least for the power section.
Get your music reviewed here: (or become a reviewer).
* reviewmymusic.blogspot . com /

Re: amps

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:02:37 +1000, "Bryan" <bconrad@dodo . com .au>
wrote:

>The age old question - solid state or valve?
>Have modelling amps reached the point where they effectively mimic true
>valve characteristics convincingly???
>

Not familiar with the term "valve", were you meaniing "tube" amps
like The old time "vacumn tubes".

Solid state, being so small, is easy to overload.
Tubes are not as sensitive to overload, instead the heat up, the heat
fries the circuitry.
It takes more time and effort to wreck a tube amp.


Anyone
Ever see or hear about "Leselie Speakers?"
Motorized, with a rotating cone.
Pholtron
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"Pholtron" <Today@istheday . com > wrote in message
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> Solid state, being so small, is easy to overload.
> Tubes are not as sensitive to overload, instead the heat up, the heat
> fries the circuitry.
> It takes more time and effort to wreck a tube amp.

I've seen some rubbish posted on Usenet, but this one is about the best this
year...

Solid state circuitry is far more reliable than anything using any
thermionic device.

It's also far cheaper to make.

The only major advantage thermionic circuitry has, excepting the sound it
makes, is that it's easy to mend.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

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"Pholtron" <Today@istheday . com > wrote in message
news:si9r049rqfonalvssj3r0hjbpc5r8qgpne@4ax . com ...
> Not familiar with the term "valve", were you meaniing "tube" amps
> like The old time "vacumn tubes".

Bryan - Please ignore this post as the other gentleman coined
it "rubbish". He is correct.

"the heat fries the circuitry" Too funny! Please put that in the FAQ.

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> Solid state, being so small, is easy to overload.
> Tubes are not as sensitive to overload, instead the heat up, the heat
> fries the circuitry.
> It takes more time and effort to wreck a tube amp.
>
>
> Anyone
> Ever see or hear about "Leselie Speakers?"
> Motorized, with a rotating cone.
> Pholtron
> (Go-Bot)
> <--====-->
>
> All learning -
> begins in darknesssssss,
> and ends, in the lighttttt.

Re: amps

Pholtron wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:02:37 +1000, "Bryan" <bconrad@dodo . com .au>
> wrote:
>
>> The age old question - solid state or valve?
>> Have modelling amps reached the point where they effectively mimic true
>> valve characteristics convincingly???
>>
>
> Not familiar with the term "valve", were you meaniing "tube" amps
> like The old time "vacumn tubes".

vacuum tube -noun: Also called, *especially British*, vacuum valve...

From: * dictionary.reference . com /search?q=vacuum%20tube

MC

Re: amps

On Apr 22, 11:23 am, Mighty Chaffinch <MightyChaffi...@hotmail . com >
wrote:
> Pholtron wrote:
> > Not familiar with the term "valve", were you meaniing "tube" amps
> > like The old time "vacumn tubes".
>
> vacuum tube -noun: Also called, *especially British*, vacuum valve...
>

The term "valve" is instructive, both in the history and in the
function of vacuum tubes. It dates back to (at least) 1904 when John
Fleming patented his "oscillator valve," which functioned like a one-
way valve for electric current. (ref: * w w w .ieee.org/web/aboutus/history center/fleming.html
).

Like many inventions of the time, there was a bit of a spat over who
invented what. I've always thought that our (US) reluctance to use
the term "valve" stemmed from the rivalry between Fleming (who was
British) and De Forest, who was an American inventor who challenged
Fleming and his partner over the invention of early types of vacuum
tubes.

--Cliff (US)

('reluctance' would be a bad EE pun, if it were intentional)

Re: amps

Pholtron wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:02:37 +1000, "Bryan" <bconrad@dodo . com .au>
> wrote:
>
>
>>The age old question - solid state or valve?
>>Have modelling amps reached the point where they effectively mimic true
>>valve characteristics convincingly???
>>
>
>
> Not familiar with the term "valve", were you meaniing "tube" amps
> like The old time "vacumn tubes".
>
> Solid state, being so small, is easy to overload.
> Tubes are not as sensitive to overload, instead the heat up, the heat
> fries the circuitry.
> It takes more time and effort to wreck a tube amp.
>
>
> Anyone
> Ever see or hear about "Leselie Speakers?"
> Motorized, with a rotating cone.
> Pholtron
> (Go-Bot)
> <--====-->
>
> All learning -
> begins in darknesssssss,
> and ends, in the lighttttt.

Actually, a solid state amp is much more likely to get "fried" by heat than a
tube amp. Solid state output devices require heat sinks BECAUSE of the heat
they produce.