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Bad amp/Good amp.
Bad amp/Good amp.
Most people who have been playing in bands have tube amps.
The other guitar player in my band has a ss Fender amp that sounds
terrible.
So he brought his tube amp to rehearsal.
Pignose 60 watt.
Pretty cool looking.
This is one horrible sounding amp.
It hums and hisses, is way too bright, Distorts badly.
He insists on using it.
We had a recording session Sunday at a studio and he brought his
Pignose.
They put a good mic in front of it and it is a totally different amp.
Gets in to Marshall cranked Plixi territory.
One of the best recording amps I ever heard.
Pt
Most people who have been playing in bands have tube amps.
The other guitar player in my band has a ss Fender amp that sounds
terrible.
So he brought his tube amp to rehearsal.
Pignose 60 watt.
Pretty cool looking.
This is one horrible sounding amp.
It hums and hisses, is way too bright, Distorts badly.
He insists on using it.
We had a recording session Sunday at a studio and he brought his
Pignose.
They put a good mic in front of it and it is a totally different amp.
Gets in to Marshall cranked Plixi territory.
One of the best recording amps I ever heard.
Pt
Re: Bad amp/Good amp.
> We had a recording session Sunday at a studio and he brought his
> Pignose.
> They put a good mic in front of it and it is a totally different amp.
> Gets in to Marshall cranked Plixi territory.
> One of the best recording amps I ever heard.
I'd heard years ago that many of the big guitar sounds were recorded with
Fender Champs. I know for a fact from my days opening for big acts that
many of the on-stage speaker stacks were not plugged in, in some cases were
just empty cabs, and in other cases the visible amps were not used, but the
signal fed to a small backstage amp miked into the system.
That's why this whole thing is called "show" business.
> We had a recording session Sunday at a studio and he brought his
> Pignose.
> They put a good mic in front of it and it is a totally different amp.
> Gets in to Marshall cranked Plixi territory.
> One of the best recording amps I ever heard.
I'd heard years ago that many of the big guitar sounds were recorded with
Fender Champs. I know for a fact from my days opening for big acts that
many of the on-stage speaker stacks were not plugged in, in some cases were
just empty cabs, and in other cases the visible amps were not used, but the
signal fed to a small backstage amp miked into the system.
That's why this whole thing is called "show" business.
Re: Bad amp/Good amp.
On Apr 22, 5:45 am, "FirstAlternate" <firstaltern...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> > We had a recording session Sunday at a studio and he brought his
> > Pignose.
> > They put a good mic in front of it and it is a totally different amp.
> > Gets in to Marshall cranked Plixi territory.
> > One of the best recording amps I ever heard.
>
> I'd heard years ago that many of the big guitar sounds were recorded with
> Fender Champs. I know for a fact from my days opening for big acts that
> many of the on-stage speaker stacks were not plugged in, in some cases were
> just empty cabs, and in other cases the visible amps were not used, but the
> signal fed to a small backstage amp miked into the system.
>
> That's why this whole thing is called "show" business.
I'll bet it wasn't Hendix, or The Who, or Zepplin, or SRV.......( its
just not the same - and that all I have to say about that ) ....ed s.
On Apr 22, 5:45 am, "FirstAlternate" <firstaltern...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> > We had a recording session Sunday at a studio and he brought his
> > Pignose.
> > They put a good mic in front of it and it is a totally different amp.
> > Gets in to Marshall cranked Plixi territory.
> > One of the best recording amps I ever heard.
>
> I'd heard years ago that many of the big guitar sounds were recorded with
> Fender Champs. I know for a fact from my days opening for big acts that
> many of the on-stage speaker stacks were not plugged in, in some cases were
> just empty cabs, and in other cases the visible amps were not used, but the
> signal fed to a small backstage amp miked into the system.
>
> That's why this whole thing is called "show" business.
I'll bet it wasn't Hendix, or The Who, or Zepplin, or SRV.......( its
just not the same - and that all I have to say about that ) ....ed s.
Re: Bad amp/Good amp.
"ed s" <eshamble@yahoo . com > wrote in message
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> On Apr 22, 5:45 am, "FirstAlternate" <firstaltern...@yahoo . com > wrote:
>> > We had a recording session Sunday at a studio and he brought his
>> > Pignose.
>> > They put a good mic in front of it and it is a totally different amp.
>> > Gets in to Marshall cranked Plixi territory.
>> > One of the best recording amps I ever heard.
>>
>> I'd heard years ago that many of the big guitar sounds were recorded with
>> Fender Champs. I know for a fact from my days opening for big acts that
>> many of the on-stage speaker stacks were not plugged in, in some cases
>> were
>> just empty cabs, and in other cases the visible amps were not used, but
>> the
>> signal fed to a small backstage amp miked into the system.
>>
>> That's why this whole thing is called "show" business.
>
> I'll bet it wasn't Hendix, or The Who, or Zepplin, or SRV.......( its
> just not the same - and that all I have to say about that ) ....ed s.
At least two major rock acts that use small amps mic'ed up behind a huge
stack of Marshalls.
I know that one of them uses a Cornford Harlequin
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
"ed s" <eshamble@yahoo . com > wrote in message
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> On Apr 22, 5:45 am, "FirstAlternate" <firstaltern...@yahoo . com > wrote:
>> > We had a recording session Sunday at a studio and he brought his
>> > Pignose.
>> > They put a good mic in front of it and it is a totally different amp.
>> > Gets in to Marshall cranked Plixi territory.
>> > One of the best recording amps I ever heard.
>>
>> I'd heard years ago that many of the big guitar sounds were recorded with
>> Fender Champs. I know for a fact from my days opening for big acts that
>> many of the on-stage speaker stacks were not plugged in, in some cases
>> were
>> just empty cabs, and in other cases the visible amps were not used, but
>> the
>> signal fed to a small backstage amp miked into the system.
>>
>> That's why this whole thing is called "show" business.
>
> I'll bet it wasn't Hendix, or The Who, or Zepplin, or SRV.......( its
> just not the same - and that all I have to say about that ) ....ed s.
At least two major rock acts that use small amps mic'ed up behind a huge
stack of Marshalls.
I know that one of them uses a Cornford Harlequin
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Re: Bad amp/Good amp.
On 22 Apr 2008, "FirstAlternate" <firstalternate@yahoo . com > wrote in
alt.guitar.beginner:
> I'd heard years ago that many of the big guitar sounds were
> recorded with Fender Champs.
Eric Clapton's first solo album and Layla guitars were played through a
Champ.
Frank Zappa sometimes liked to record with his battery-operated
Pignose.
Brian May has recorded many of his guitar parts with his little
transisorized home-built (by bassist John Deacon) Deaky Amp.
A friend of mine regularly plays through a Fender Super Champ. It does,
indeed, sound fabulous! I've been looking for one of those for myself,
but they are rare.
One time, many years ago, my main amp, a 60-watt Mesa/Boogie, failed on
a gig, so I resorted to a borrowed Fender Champ. Plugged into an
extension speaker cabinet, and turned all the way up, it sounded great!
And loud enough (almost.)
On 22 Apr 2008, "FirstAlternate" <firstalternate@yahoo . com > wrote in
alt.guitar.beginner:
> I'd heard years ago that many of the big guitar sounds were
> recorded with Fender Champs.
Eric Clapton's first solo album and Layla guitars were played through a
Champ.
Frank Zappa sometimes liked to record with his battery-operated
Pignose.
Brian May has recorded many of his guitar parts with his little
transisorized home-built (by bassist John Deacon) Deaky Amp.
A friend of mine regularly plays through a Fender Super Champ. It does,
indeed, sound fabulous! I've been looking for one of those for myself,
but they are rare.
One time, many years ago, my main amp, a 60-watt Mesa/Boogie, failed on
a gig, so I resorted to a borrowed Fender Champ. Plugged into an
extension speaker cabinet, and turned all the way up, it sounded great!
And loud enough (almost.)
Re: Bad amp/Good amp.
Pt wrote:
>Most people who have been playing in bands have tube amps.
Not in jazz, not in acoustic bands, you will find many ss amps. Rock
and country, yes I would agree.
Almost all of those guys put ss effects pedals in front of those tube
amps. So tube sound or ss or a combo of both?
Pt wrote:
>Most people who have been playing in bands have tube amps.
Not in jazz, not in acoustic bands, you will find many ss amps. Rock
and country, yes I would agree.
Almost all of those guys put ss effects pedals in front of those tube
amps. So tube sound or ss or a combo of both?
Re: Bad amp/Good amp.
"Derek" <derek@ycoaoffice . com > wrote in message
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> Pt wrote:
>
>>Most people who have been playing in bands have tube amps.
>
> Not in jazz, not in acoustic bands, you will find many ss amps. Rock
> and country, yes I would agree.
>
> Almost all of those guys put ss effects pedals in front of those tube
> amps. So tube sound or ss or a combo of both?
It's 'tube' (I'm British, I was taught to call them valves) output stage
distortion that is the sought after sound.
Overdriven valve preamp stages aren't quite as nice, but some people like
them.
Overdriven solid state 'anything much' sounds rubbish and overdrive digital
stuff sounds like a cat trying to claw through a sewn up elephant's bottom,
from the inside...
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
"Derek" <derek@ycoaoffice . com > wrote in message
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> Pt wrote:
>
>>Most people who have been playing in bands have tube amps.
>
> Not in jazz, not in acoustic bands, you will find many ss amps. Rock
> and country, yes I would agree.
>
> Almost all of those guys put ss effects pedals in front of those tube
> amps. So tube sound or ss or a combo of both?
It's 'tube' (I'm British, I was taught to call them valves) output stage
distortion that is the sought after sound.
Overdriven valve preamp stages aren't quite as nice, but some people like
them.
Overdriven solid state 'anything much' sounds rubbish and overdrive digital
stuff sounds like a cat trying to claw through a sewn up elephant's bottom,
from the inside...
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Re: Bad amp/Good amp.
William Black wrote:
> Overdriven solid state 'anything much'
> sounds rubbish and overdrive
> digital stuff sounds like a cat
> trying to claw through a sewn up
> elephant's bottom, from the inside...
That's exactly the sound I'm looking for.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
w w w .LumpyMusic . com
William Black wrote:
> Overdriven solid state 'anything much'
> sounds rubbish and overdrive
> digital stuff sounds like a cat
> trying to claw through a sewn up
> elephant's bottom, from the inside...
That's exactly the sound I'm looking for.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
w w w .LumpyMusic . com
Re: Bad amp/Good amp.
"Lumpy" <lumpy@digitalcartography . com > wrote in message
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> William Black wrote:
>> Overdriven solid state 'anything much'
>> sounds rubbish and overdrive
>> digital stuff sounds like a cat
>> trying to claw through a sewn up
>> elephant's bottom, from the inside...
>
> That's exactly the sound I'm looking for.
>
>
> Lumpy
>
Me too. I just love that cat scratching out of an elephant's butt sound:
Meowaaaaawerrruuuumphaaaarrrungh!
Kind regards,
Doctor Troll
"Lumpy" <lumpy@digitalcartography . com > wrote in message
news:677b9pF2n38k2U1@mid.individual . net ...
> William Black wrote:
>> Overdriven solid state 'anything much'
>> sounds rubbish and overdrive
>> digital stuff sounds like a cat
>> trying to claw through a sewn up
>> elephant's bottom, from the inside...
>
> That's exactly the sound I'm looking for.
>
>
> Lumpy
>
Me too. I just love that cat scratching out of an elephant's butt sound:
Meowaaaaawerrruuuumphaaaarrrungh!
Kind regards,
Doctor Troll
Re: Bad amp/Good amp.
"Billy" <ajfaba@ahjkal@nospame . com > wrote in message
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>
> "Lumpy" <lumpy@digitalcartography . com > wrote in message
> news:677b9pF2n38k2U1@mid.individual . net ...
>> William Black wrote:
>>> Overdriven solid state 'anything much'
>>> sounds rubbish and overdrive
>>> digital stuff sounds like a cat
>>> trying to claw through a sewn up
>>> elephant's bottom, from the inside...
>>
>> That's exactly the sound I'm looking for.
>>
>>
>> Lumpy
>>
>
> Me too. I just love that cat scratching out of an elephant's butt sound:
> Meowaaaaawerrruuuumphaaaarrrungh!
>
I'm starting to regret using that metaphor...
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
"Billy" <ajfaba@ahjkal@nospame . com > wrote in message
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>
> "Lumpy" <lumpy@digitalcartography . com > wrote in message
> news:677b9pF2n38k2U1@mid.individual . net ...
>> William Black wrote:
>>> Overdriven solid state 'anything much'
>>> sounds rubbish and overdrive
>>> digital stuff sounds like a cat
>>> trying to claw through a sewn up
>>> elephant's bottom, from the inside...
>>
>> That's exactly the sound I'm looking for.
>>
>>
>> Lumpy
>>
>
> Me too. I just love that cat scratching out of an elephant's butt sound:
> Meowaaaaawerrruuuumphaaaarrrungh!
>
I'm starting to regret using that metaphor...
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Re: Bad amp/Good amp.
"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Billy" <ajfaba@ahjkal@nospame . com > wrote in message
> news:C_PPj.5468$7T5.15287@wagner.videotron . net ...
>>
>> "Lumpy" <lumpy@digitalcartography . com > wrote in message
>> news:677b9pF2n38k2U1@mid.individual . net ...
>>> William Black wrote:
>>>> Overdriven solid state 'anything much'
>>>> sounds rubbish and overdrive
>>>> digital stuff sounds like a cat
>>>> trying to claw through a sewn up
>>>> elephant's bottom, from the inside...
>>>
>>> That's exactly the sound I'm looking for.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lumpy
>>>
>>
>> Me too. I just love that cat scratching out of an elephant's butt sound:
>> Meowaaaaawerrruuuumphaaaarrrungh!
>>
>
> I'm starting to regret using that metaphor...
>
Hah! And I was hoping someone would come up with a stomp box for that
effect.
"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Billy" <ajfaba@ahjkal@nospame . com > wrote in message
> news:C_PPj.5468$7T5.15287@wagner.videotron . net ...
>>
>> "Lumpy" <lumpy@digitalcartography . com > wrote in message
>> news:677b9pF2n38k2U1@mid.individual . net ...
>>> William Black wrote:
>>>> Overdriven solid state 'anything much'
>>>> sounds rubbish and overdrive
>>>> digital stuff sounds like a cat
>>>> trying to claw through a sewn up
>>>> elephant's bottom, from the inside...
>>>
>>> That's exactly the sound I'm looking for.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lumpy
>>>
>>
>> Me too. I just love that cat scratching out of an elephant's butt sound:
>> Meowaaaaawerrruuuumphaaaarrrungh!
>>
>
> I'm starting to regret using that metaphor...
>
Hah! And I was hoping someone would come up with a stomp box for that
effect.
Re: Bad amp/Good amp.
Don Freeman wrote:
> "William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:fuq45r$45b$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> "Billy" <ajfaba@ahjkal@nospame . com > wrote in message
>> news:C PPj.5468$7T5.15287@wagner.videotron . net ...
>>> "Lumpy" <lumpy@digitalcartography . com > wrote in message
>>> news:677b9pF2n38k2U1@mid.individual . net ...
>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>> Overdriven solid state 'anything much'
>>>>> sounds rubbish and overdrive
>>>>> digital stuff sounds like a cat
>>>>> trying to claw through a sewn up
>>>>> elephant's bottom, from the inside...
>>>> That's exactly the sound I'm looking for.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lumpy
>>>>
>>> Me too. I just love that cat scratching out of an elephant's butt sound:
>>> Meowaaaaawerrruuuumphaaaarrrungh!
>>>
>> I'm starting to regret using that metaphor...
>>
>
> Hah! And I was hoping someone would come up with a stomp box for that
> effect.
>
>
I think you're looking for this one...
* w w w .metasonix . com /index.php?option=com content&task=view&id5&Itemid=66
--
- Rufus
Don Freeman wrote:
> "William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:fuq45r$45b$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> "Billy" <ajfaba@ahjkal@nospame . com > wrote in message
>> news:C PPj.5468$7T5.15287@wagner.videotron . net ...
>>> "Lumpy" <lumpy@digitalcartography . com > wrote in message
>>> news:677b9pF2n38k2U1@mid.individual . net ...
>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>> Overdriven solid state 'anything much'
>>>>> sounds rubbish and overdrive
>>>>> digital stuff sounds like a cat
>>>>> trying to claw through a sewn up
>>>>> elephant's bottom, from the inside...
>>>> That's exactly the sound I'm looking for.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lumpy
>>>>
>>> Me too. I just love that cat scratching out of an elephant's butt sound:
>>> Meowaaaaawerrruuuumphaaaarrrungh!
>>>
>> I'm starting to regret using that metaphor...
>>
>
> Hah! And I was hoping someone would come up with a stomp box for that
> effect.
>
>
I think you're looking for this one...
* w w w .metasonix . com /index.php?option=com content&task=view&id5&Itemid=66
--
- Rufus
Re: Bad amp/Good amp.
"Rufus" <not@home . com > wrote in message
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> Don Freeman wrote:
>> "William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:fuq45r$45b$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> "Billy" <ajfaba@ahjkal@nospame . com > wrote in message
>>> news:C_PPj.5468$7T5.15287@wagner.videotron . net ...
>>>> "Lumpy" <lumpy@digitalcartography . com > wrote in message
>>>> news:677b9pF2n38k2U1@mid.individual . net ...
>>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>>> Overdriven solid state 'anything much'
>>>>>> sounds rubbish and overdrive
>>>>>> digital stuff sounds like a cat
>>>>>> trying to claw through a sewn up
>>>>>> elephant's bottom, from the inside...
>>>>> That's exactly the sound I'm looking for.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lumpy
>>>>>
>>>> Me too. I just love that cat scratching out of an elephant's butt
>>>> sound: Meowaaaaawerrruuuumphaaaarrrungh!
>>>>
>>> I'm starting to regret using that metaphor...
>>
>> Hah! And I was hoping someone would come up with a stomp box for that
>> effect.
>
> I think you're looking for this one...
>
> * w w w .metasonix . com /index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=35&Itemid=66
>
I believe you may be right, if anything can produce that effect the "Scrotum
Smasher" sounds like it should do the job.
"Rufus" <not@home . com > wrote in message
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> Don Freeman wrote:
>> "William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:fuq45r$45b$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> "Billy" <ajfaba@ahjkal@nospame . com > wrote in message
>>> news:C_PPj.5468$7T5.15287@wagner.videotron . net ...
>>>> "Lumpy" <lumpy@digitalcartography . com > wrote in message
>>>> news:677b9pF2n38k2U1@mid.individual . net ...
>>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>>> Overdriven solid state 'anything much'
>>>>>> sounds rubbish and overdrive
>>>>>> digital stuff sounds like a cat
>>>>>> trying to claw through a sewn up
>>>>>> elephant's bottom, from the inside...
>>>>> That's exactly the sound I'm looking for.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lumpy
>>>>>
>>>> Me too. I just love that cat scratching out of an elephant's butt
>>>> sound: Meowaaaaawerrruuuumphaaaarrrungh!
>>>>
>>> I'm starting to regret using that metaphor...
>>
>> Hah! And I was hoping someone would come up with a stomp box for that
>> effect.
>
> I think you're looking for this one...
>
> * w w w .metasonix . com /index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=35&Itemid=66
>
I believe you may be right, if anything can produce that effect the "Scrotum
Smasher" sounds like it should do the job.
Re: Bad amp/Good amp.
On Apr 25, 3:38 pm, "Don Freeman" <freem...@sonic . net > wrote:
> I believe you may be right, if anything can produce that effect the "Scrotum
> Smasher" sounds like it should do the job.
But even with three valves, aren't we just emulating the sound?
Modeling it in analog, if you will? I say nothing substitutes for a
real cat, a real elephant, and real sutures. In fact, someone with a
trained ear would insist upon natural sutures, not cheap synthetic
imitations.
--Cliff (US)
On Apr 25, 3:38 pm, "Don Freeman" <freem...@sonic . net > wrote:
> I believe you may be right, if anything can produce that effect the "Scrotum
> Smasher" sounds like it should do the job.
But even with three valves, aren't we just emulating the sound?
Modeling it in analog, if you will? I say nothing substitutes for a
real cat, a real elephant, and real sutures. In fact, someone with a
trained ear would insist upon natural sutures, not cheap synthetic
imitations.
--Cliff (US)
Re: Bad amp/Good amp.
"hcbowman" <hcbowman@gmail . com > wrote in message
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> On Apr 25, 3:38 pm, "Don Freeman" <freem...@sonic . net > wrote:
>
>> I believe you may be right, if anything can produce that effect the
>> "Scrotum
>> Smasher" sounds like it should do the job.
>
> I say nothing substitutes for a
> real cat, a real elephant, and real sutures.
Does PETA know about you?
--
-Don
Ever had one of those days where you just felt like:
* cosmoslair . com /BadDay.html ?
(Eating the elephant outside the box, one paradigm at a time)
"hcbowman" <hcbowman@gmail . com > wrote in message
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> On Apr 25, 3:38 pm, "Don Freeman" <freem...@sonic . net > wrote:
>
>> I believe you may be right, if anything can produce that effect the
>> "Scrotum
>> Smasher" sounds like it should do the job.
>
> I say nothing substitutes for a
> real cat, a real elephant, and real sutures.
Does PETA know about you?
--
-Don
Ever had one of those days where you just felt like:
* cosmoslair . com /BadDay.html ?
(Eating the elephant outside the box, one paradigm at a time)
