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Do all new guitars need pro setup?
Do all new guitars need pro setup?
I usually buy my guitars online because they are much less expensive
than retail stores. Also I have to drive quite a distance to get to a
guitar store. Being rather new to guitars, I am never sure if they are
playing optimally. Just to be safe, should I have all new guitars
undergo a setup by a professional luthier? If so, how can I be sure
that the luthier is a good one? And can the setups be done quickly
while you wait or are they lengthy procedures that require returning on
another day to pick the guitar up? Thanks for any advice.
I usually buy my guitars online because they are much less expensive
than retail stores. Also I have to drive quite a distance to get to a
guitar store. Being rather new to guitars, I am never sure if they are
playing optimally. Just to be safe, should I have all new guitars
undergo a setup by a professional luthier? If so, how can I be sure
that the luthier is a good one? And can the setups be done quickly
while you wait or are they lengthy procedures that require returning on
another day to pick the guitar up? Thanks for any advice.
Re: Do all new guitars need pro setup?
On Apr 22, 11:05=EF=BF=BDam, tenplay <tenp...@mail . com > wrote:
> I usually buy my guitars online because they are much less expensive
> than retail stores. =EF=BF=BDAlso I have to drive quite a distance to get =
to a
> guitar store. =EF=BF=BDBeing rather new to guitars, I am never sure if the=
y are
> playing optimally. =EF=BF=BDJust to be safe, should I have all new guitars=
> undergo a setup by a professional luthier? =EF=BF=BDIf so, how can I be su=
re
> that the luthier is a good one? =EF=BF=BDAnd can the setups be done quickl=
y
> while you wait or are they lengthy procedures that require returning on
> another day to pick the guitar up? =EF=BF=BDThanks for any advice.
When I think of set up, I think of a straight neck, action being where
I want it, no buzzing when I fret the strings anywhere on the neck and
proper intonation.
If all of these are good, I wouldn't think you would need a pro set-
up.
David
On Apr 22, 11:05=EF=BF=BDam, tenplay <tenp...@mail . com > wrote:
> I usually buy my guitars online because they are much less expensive
> than retail stores. =EF=BF=BDAlso I have to drive quite a distance to get =
to a
> guitar store. =EF=BF=BDBeing rather new to guitars, I am never sure if the=
y are
> playing optimally. =EF=BF=BDJust to be safe, should I have all new guitars=
> undergo a setup by a professional luthier? =EF=BF=BDIf so, how can I be su=
re
> that the luthier is a good one? =EF=BF=BDAnd can the setups be done quickl=
y
> while you wait or are they lengthy procedures that require returning on
> another day to pick the guitar up? =EF=BF=BDThanks for any advice.
When I think of set up, I think of a straight neck, action being where
I want it, no buzzing when I fret the strings anywhere on the neck and
proper intonation.
If all of these are good, I wouldn't think you would need a pro set-
up.
David
Re: Do all new guitars need pro setup?
Ten,
Your guitar may have published specifications regarding set up. If so,
and you have the tools, you can check a guitar after it has arrived and
settled in it's new home. As you are new to guitars it's not likely that you
have formed a desire for non-standard set-up, though eventually you will.
If your guitar is out of spec or has a problem I'd suggest taking it to a
luthier. Some electric guitars may be set-up without many specialized tools
and there are web-sites that will take you through the process.
A set up can take a day or two and requires that you know what strings
you will use on the guitar.
Dave M.
Ten,
Your guitar may have published specifications regarding set up. If so,
and you have the tools, you can check a guitar after it has arrived and
settled in it's new home. As you are new to guitars it's not likely that you
have formed a desire for non-standard set-up, though eventually you will.
If your guitar is out of spec or has a problem I'd suggest taking it to a
luthier. Some electric guitars may be set-up without many specialized tools
and there are web-sites that will take you through the process.
A set up can take a day or two and requires that you know what strings
you will use on the guitar.
Dave M.
Re: Do all new guitars need pro setup?
tenplay <tenplay@mail . com > wrote:
> I usually buy my guitars online because they are much less expensive
> than retail stores. Also I have to drive quite a distance to get to a
> guitar store. Being rather new to guitars, I am never sure if they
> are playing optimally. Just to be safe, should I have all new guitars
> undergo a setup by a professional luthier? If so, how can I be sure
> that the luthier is a good one? And can the setups be done quickly
> while you wait or are they lengthy procedures that require returning
> on another day to pick the guitar up? Thanks for any advice.
Depending on where you live, you may be able to find a guitar tech who
can do a setup for you on the spot. The guy I use routinely does this.
It will take about 30-45 minutes, provided he doesn't encounter anything
unusual in the process.
tenplay <tenplay@mail . com > wrote:
> I usually buy my guitars online because they are much less expensive
> than retail stores. Also I have to drive quite a distance to get to a
> guitar store. Being rather new to guitars, I am never sure if they
> are playing optimally. Just to be safe, should I have all new guitars
> undergo a setup by a professional luthier? If so, how can I be sure
> that the luthier is a good one? And can the setups be done quickly
> while you wait or are they lengthy procedures that require returning
> on another day to pick the guitar up? Thanks for any advice.
Depending on where you live, you may be able to find a guitar tech who
can do a setup for you on the spot. The guy I use routinely does this.
It will take about 30-45 minutes, provided he doesn't encounter anything
unusual in the process.
Re: Do all new guitars need pro setup?
Any tech who is worth his chops is not going to have a bench that is
sitting idle when you walk in the door. He is going to have a wall of
guitars waiting for his attention. Most can usually turn you guitar
around in a day or two.
RichL wrote:
> tenplay <tenplay@mail . com > wrote:
>> I usually buy my guitars online because they are much less expensive
>> than retail stores. Also I have to drive quite a distance to get to a
>> guitar store. Being rather new to guitars, I am never sure if they
>> are playing optimally. Just to be safe, should I have all new guitars
>> undergo a setup by a professional luthier? If so, how can I be sure
>> that the luthier is a good one? And can the setups be done quickly
>> while you wait or are they lengthy procedures that require returning
>> on another day to pick the guitar up? Thanks for any advice.
>
> Depending on where you live, you may be able to find a guitar tech who
> can do a setup for you on the spot. The guy I use routinely does this.
> It will take about 30-45 minutes, provided he doesn't encounter anything
> unusual in the process.
>
>
Any tech who is worth his chops is not going to have a bench that is
sitting idle when you walk in the door. He is going to have a wall of
guitars waiting for his attention. Most can usually turn you guitar
around in a day or two.
RichL wrote:
> tenplay <tenplay@mail . com > wrote:
>> I usually buy my guitars online because they are much less expensive
>> than retail stores. Also I have to drive quite a distance to get to a
>> guitar store. Being rather new to guitars, I am never sure if they
>> are playing optimally. Just to be safe, should I have all new guitars
>> undergo a setup by a professional luthier? If so, how can I be sure
>> that the luthier is a good one? And can the setups be done quickly
>> while you wait or are they lengthy procedures that require returning
>> on another day to pick the guitar up? Thanks for any advice.
>
> Depending on where you live, you may be able to find a guitar tech who
> can do a setup for you on the spot. The guy I use routinely does this.
> It will take about 30-45 minutes, provided he doesn't encounter anything
> unusual in the process.
>
>
Re: Do all new guitars need pro setup?
mapdude <mapdude@comcast . net > wrote:
> Any tech who is worth his chops is not going to have a bench that is
> sitting idle when you walk in the door. He is going to have a wall of
> guitars waiting for his attention. Most can usually turn you guitar
> around in a day or two.
Maybe that's the case where you are. My guy schedules an appointment
with you and observes your playing before going to work, he lets you
watch, he hands the guitar to you periodically to get feedback, etc.
This is for more-or-less routine work. His bench is never idle; he's
got a backlog of more complex, time-consuming repairs as well. This
guy's well-respected in the Baltimore-Washington area and gets a lot of
stuff coming in from gigging pros.
mapdude <mapdude@comcast . net > wrote:
> Any tech who is worth his chops is not going to have a bench that is
> sitting idle when you walk in the door. He is going to have a wall of
> guitars waiting for his attention. Most can usually turn you guitar
> around in a day or two.
Maybe that's the case where you are. My guy schedules an appointment
with you and observes your playing before going to work, he lets you
watch, he hands the guitar to you periodically to get feedback, etc.
This is for more-or-less routine work. His bench is never idle; he's
got a backlog of more complex, time-consuming repairs as well. This
guy's well-respected in the Baltimore-Washington area and gets a lot of
stuff coming in from gigging pros.
Re: Do all new guitars need pro setup?
RichL wrote:
> ... My guy schedules an appointment
> with you and observes your playing
> before going to work...
> ...This guy's well-respected in the
> Baltimore-Washington area...
Is your guy Dizzy Sareno?
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
w w w .LumpyMusic . com
RichL wrote:
> ... My guy schedules an appointment
> with you and observes your playing
> before going to work...
> ...This guy's well-respected in the
> Baltimore-Washington area...
Is your guy Dizzy Sareno?
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
w w w .LumpyMusic . com
Re: Do all new guitars need pro setup?
"Lumpy" <lumpy@digitalcartography . com > wrote in message
news:67kervF2p45g2U1@mid.individual . net ...
> RichL wrote:
>> ... My guy schedules an appointment
>> with you and observes your playing
>> before going to work...
>
>> ...This guy's well-respected in the
>> Baltimore-Washington area...
>
> Is your guy Dizzy Sareno?
>
>
> Lumpy
>
> In Your Ears for 40 Years
> w w w .LumpyMusic . com
>
>
>
maybe he's Desi Serna...
"Lumpy" <lumpy@digitalcartography . com > wrote in message
news:67kervF2p45g2U1@mid.individual . net ...
> RichL wrote:
>> ... My guy schedules an appointment
>> with you and observes your playing
>> before going to work...
>
>> ...This guy's well-respected in the
>> Baltimore-Washington area...
>
> Is your guy Dizzy Sareno?
>
>
> Lumpy
>
> In Your Ears for 40 Years
> w w w .LumpyMusic . com
>
>
>
maybe he's Desi Serna...
Re: Do all new guitars need pro setup?
On Apr 22, 10:05 am, tenplay <tenp...@mail . com > wrote:
> I usually buy my guitars online because they are much less expensive
> than retail stores. Also I have to drive quite a distance to get to a
> guitar store. Being rather new to guitars, I am never sure if they are
> playing optimally. Just to be safe, should I have all new guitars
> undergo a setup by a professional luthier? If so, how can I be sure
> that the luthier is a good one? And can the setups be done quickly
> while you wait or are they lengthy procedures that require returning on
> another day to pick the guitar up? Thanks for any advice.
I think you've already answered your first question...if you don't
think it is optimal, or if you want to take it in for a physical (an
assessment of the health of the instrument, typically, checking
bracing, bridge plate, bridge, binding, heel, nut and machine heads,
buzzing, frets, electronics, truss rod lube and adjust), then IMHO,
there is no better way than to get it set up by a pro. Now you don't
actually need a "luthier" (and, indeed, not every luthier does
repairs.. . it is admittedly a different set of skills). Don't get me
wrong, some luthier do repairs, but the ability to build an instrument
is no guarantee that you can fix someone elses broken instrument...and
that's what Luthiers do...they build stringed instruments. Guitar
Technicians (or stringed instrument technicians) do repairs, setups
and general instrument maintenance...we travel with musicians and make
sure that if anything goes wrong, it isn't with the axes...we sit in
the control room and tweak instruments all day long while the same
song keeps playing on the largest pair of studio monitors you've ever
imagined...the proud, the few, the heavily medicated...the techies!
Now here's the kicker...set up for what? Answer...Set up for YOU!
Which means, by definition, your techie needs to see you physical play
the instrument. He needs to understand what you play, how you play,
where you fret what you are doing...and then he should listen to what
you have to say about the instrument. Keep in mind, there are physical
limits to how high or low you can set the action without other things
being affected. It typically takes me anywhere between 30-45 minutes
to do a physical and setup for a player I've just met...once I know
your spec, I don't really need you, but hanging around does guarantee
a quicker turn around.
The best way to find a good tech is to ask around in your area. Ask
other serious musicians, ask at the local music stores, get references
and look for certification...this doesn't always mean too much (in my
experience, experience is also important, so references should take
some precedence). Nevertheless there are requirements that must be
fulfilled to be a certified Martin Warranty repair facility (any
number of other certifications by companies like Taylor/Fender/Gretch/
Danelectro/Washburn...etc ad noseum), and these ought to demonstrate
some level of ovcerall competence. The next to last test is...does he
ask you to play the instrument...does he want to see how you fret and
where you fret...does he know where you're sweet spot is. If you are
simply directed to drop off your guitar and given a claim ticket, then
I strongly suggest you walk out of the cookie factory and find someone
who deals with individual musicians. The final test...did he do a good
job...do you now fee it plays as good as it can...if so, go back if
you ever feel that your axe is drifting, or if you've just gotten a
new one for the stable.
Thems my 2 cents worth, CS
On Apr 22, 10:05 am, tenplay <tenp...@mail . com > wrote:
> I usually buy my guitars online because they are much less expensive
> than retail stores. Also I have to drive quite a distance to get to a
> guitar store. Being rather new to guitars, I am never sure if they are
> playing optimally. Just to be safe, should I have all new guitars
> undergo a setup by a professional luthier? If so, how can I be sure
> that the luthier is a good one? And can the setups be done quickly
> while you wait or are they lengthy procedures that require returning on
> another day to pick the guitar up? Thanks for any advice.
I think you've already answered your first question...if you don't
think it is optimal, or if you want to take it in for a physical (an
assessment of the health of the instrument, typically, checking
bracing, bridge plate, bridge, binding, heel, nut and machine heads,
buzzing, frets, electronics, truss rod lube and adjust), then IMHO,
there is no better way than to get it set up by a pro. Now you don't
actually need a "luthier" (and, indeed, not every luthier does
repairs.. . it is admittedly a different set of skills). Don't get me
wrong, some luthier do repairs, but the ability to build an instrument
is no guarantee that you can fix someone elses broken instrument...and
that's what Luthiers do...they build stringed instruments. Guitar
Technicians (or stringed instrument technicians) do repairs, setups
and general instrument maintenance...we travel with musicians and make
sure that if anything goes wrong, it isn't with the axes...we sit in
the control room and tweak instruments all day long while the same
song keeps playing on the largest pair of studio monitors you've ever
imagined...the proud, the few, the heavily medicated...the techies!
Now here's the kicker...set up for what? Answer...Set up for YOU!
Which means, by definition, your techie needs to see you physical play
the instrument. He needs to understand what you play, how you play,
where you fret what you are doing...and then he should listen to what
you have to say about the instrument. Keep in mind, there are physical
limits to how high or low you can set the action without other things
being affected. It typically takes me anywhere between 30-45 minutes
to do a physical and setup for a player I've just met...once I know
your spec, I don't really need you, but hanging around does guarantee
a quicker turn around.
The best way to find a good tech is to ask around in your area. Ask
other serious musicians, ask at the local music stores, get references
and look for certification...this doesn't always mean too much (in my
experience, experience is also important, so references should take
some precedence). Nevertheless there are requirements that must be
fulfilled to be a certified Martin Warranty repair facility (any
number of other certifications by companies like Taylor/Fender/Gretch/
Danelectro/Washburn...etc ad noseum), and these ought to demonstrate
some level of ovcerall competence. The next to last test is...does he
ask you to play the instrument...does he want to see how you fret and
where you fret...does he know where you're sweet spot is. If you are
simply directed to drop off your guitar and given a claim ticket, then
I strongly suggest you walk out of the cookie factory and find someone
who deals with individual musicians. The final test...did he do a good
job...do you now fee it plays as good as it can...if so, go back if
you ever feel that your axe is drifting, or if you've just gotten a
new one for the stable.
Thems my 2 cents worth, CS
Re: Do all new guitars need pro setup?
Cyberserf wrote:
> ...you don't
> actually need a "luthier" (and, indeed, not every luthier does
> repairs.. . it is admittedly a different set of skills). Don't get me
> wrong, some luthier do repairs, but the ability to build an instrument
> is no guarantee that you can fix someone elses broken instrument...and
> that's what Luthiers do...they build stringed instruments...
Nobody said anything about repairs.
The OP asked about setups. That's not
a repair. That's an adjustment, like your
rear view mirrors or your tire pressure.
Which luthiers don't do repairs?
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
w w w .LumpyMusic . com
Cyberserf wrote:
> ...you don't
> actually need a "luthier" (and, indeed, not every luthier does
> repairs.. . it is admittedly a different set of skills). Don't get me
> wrong, some luthier do repairs, but the ability to build an instrument
> is no guarantee that you can fix someone elses broken instrument...and
> that's what Luthiers do...they build stringed instruments...
Nobody said anything about repairs.
The OP asked about setups. That's not
a repair. That's an adjustment, like your
rear view mirrors or your tire pressure.
Which luthiers don't do repairs?
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
w w w .LumpyMusic . com
Re: Do all new guitars need pro setup?
On Apr 22, 8:02 pm, "Lumpy" <lu...@digitalcartography . com > wrote:
> Cyberserf wrote:
> > ...you don't
> > actually need a "luthier" (and, indeed, not every luthier does
> > repairs.. . it is admittedly a different set of skills). Don't get me
> > wrong, some luthier do repairs, but the ability to build an instrument
> > is no guarantee that you can fix someone elses broken instrument...and
> > that's what Luthiers do...they build stringed instruments...
>
> Nobody said anything about repairs.
What is your point...do you therefore think that *only* a luthier can
do setups...or do you concede that a tech may also have an idea how to
set up a wide variety of instruments.
> The OP asked about setups.
And I informed the OP that he didn't necessarily need a luthier...do
you object to that statement?
That's not
> a repair.
Lumpy, either you're getting cranky in your old age, or you've run out
of intelligent things to say...semantics aside, many luthiers don't do
repairs or adjustments or setup or whatever else your pedantic
intellect wants to call it. I was trying to inform the OP of a subtle
difference between two professions. Luthiers, by definition build
instruments, technicians, by definition fix and maintain said
instruments. If you are having problems following that, take another
blue pill.
That's an adjustment, like your
> rear view mirrors or your tire pressure.
It is not like adjusting your mirror and checking the pressure in your
tires, it is like setting your choke and tuning the engine up. Turning
the strings is like adjusting the mirror...if you're going to use
pointless comparisons at least make them comparable.
> Which luthiers don't do repairs?
>
Many luthiers don't do repairs, they neither have the time nor the
tools to play with other peoples instruments, they are too busy
playing with their own. There was a good thread on the subject not
long ago in rec.music.makers.builders... go on over and talk to a few
luthiers ...I'm a tech...I don't build 'em, I fix 'em.
> Lumpy
>
> In Your Ears for 40 Yearse
Time for some Q-tips
> w w w .LumpyMusic . com
On Apr 22, 8:02 pm, "Lumpy" <lu...@digitalcartography . com > wrote:
> Cyberserf wrote:
> > ...you don't
> > actually need a "luthier" (and, indeed, not every luthier does
> > repairs.. . it is admittedly a different set of skills). Don't get me
> > wrong, some luthier do repairs, but the ability to build an instrument
> > is no guarantee that you can fix someone elses broken instrument...and
> > that's what Luthiers do...they build stringed instruments...
>
> Nobody said anything about repairs.
What is your point...do you therefore think that *only* a luthier can
do setups...or do you concede that a tech may also have an idea how to
set up a wide variety of instruments.
> The OP asked about setups.
And I informed the OP that he didn't necessarily need a luthier...do
you object to that statement?
That's not
> a repair.
Lumpy, either you're getting cranky in your old age, or you've run out
of intelligent things to say...semantics aside, many luthiers don't do
repairs or adjustments or setup or whatever else your pedantic
intellect wants to call it. I was trying to inform the OP of a subtle
difference between two professions. Luthiers, by definition build
instruments, technicians, by definition fix and maintain said
instruments. If you are having problems following that, take another
blue pill.
That's an adjustment, like your
> rear view mirrors or your tire pressure.
It is not like adjusting your mirror and checking the pressure in your
tires, it is like setting your choke and tuning the engine up. Turning
the strings is like adjusting the mirror...if you're going to use
pointless comparisons at least make them comparable.
> Which luthiers don't do repairs?
>
Many luthiers don't do repairs, they neither have the time nor the
tools to play with other peoples instruments, they are too busy
playing with their own. There was a good thread on the subject not
long ago in rec.music.makers.builders... go on over and talk to a few
luthiers ...I'm a tech...I don't build 'em, I fix 'em.
> Lumpy
>
> In Your Ears for 40 Yearse
Time for some Q-tips
> w w w .LumpyMusic . com
Re: Do all new guitars need pro setup?
Cybersurf:
> What is your point...do you therefore
> think that *only* a luthier can
> do setups...or do you concede that a
> tech may also have an idea how to
> set up a wide variety of instruments...
I never mentioned the word "tech".
My point is the argument with your suggestion that
"not every luthier does repairs". I don't believe
that to be even remotely true. And nobody is talking
about repairs, we're talking about setups. Surely
someone in your position can understand the
difference between a setup and a repair. Or
do you view a guitar that has not had a setup
as "needing a repair"?
> > many luthiers don't do
> > repairs or adjustments or setup...
Lump:
> > Which luthiers don't do repairs?
Cyber:
> Many luthiers don't do repairs,
> they neither have the time nor the
> tools to play with other peoples
> instruments, they are too busy
> playing with their own...
Bullshit. Name these luthiers that "don't have the time".
Even more hilarious, name these luthiers that "don't
have the tools".
I appreciate that your job enables you to label
yourself as a "guitar tech", whatever that is.
But your suggestion that luthiers are not equipped,
skilled or willing to do setups or repairs is complete nonsense.
Like saying "Auto mechanics don't do oil changes,
they don't have the time or the tools. You have to
take it to an oil change tech at Jiffy Lube".
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
w w w .LumpyMusic . com
Cybersurf:
> What is your point...do you therefore
> think that *only* a luthier can
> do setups...or do you concede that a
> tech may also have an idea how to
> set up a wide variety of instruments...
I never mentioned the word "tech".
My point is the argument with your suggestion that
"not every luthier does repairs". I don't believe
that to be even remotely true. And nobody is talking
about repairs, we're talking about setups. Surely
someone in your position can understand the
difference between a setup and a repair. Or
do you view a guitar that has not had a setup
as "needing a repair"?
> > many luthiers don't do
> > repairs or adjustments or setup...
Lump:
> > Which luthiers don't do repairs?
Cyber:
> Many luthiers don't do repairs,
> they neither have the time nor the
> tools to play with other peoples
> instruments, they are too busy
> playing with their own...
Bullshit. Name these luthiers that "don't have the time".
Even more hilarious, name these luthiers that "don't
have the tools".
I appreciate that your job enables you to label
yourself as a "guitar tech", whatever that is.
But your suggestion that luthiers are not equipped,
skilled or willing to do setups or repairs is complete nonsense.
Like saying "Auto mechanics don't do oil changes,
they don't have the time or the tools. You have to
take it to an oil change tech at Jiffy Lube".
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
w w w .LumpyMusic . com
Re: Do all new guitars need pro setup?
On Apr 23, 8:01 am, "Lumpy" <lu...@digitalcartography . com > wrote:
> Cybersurf:
>
> > What is your point...do you therefore
> > think that *only* a luthier can
> > do setups...or do you concede that a
> > tech may also have an idea how to
> > set up a wide variety of instruments...
>
> I never mentioned the word "tech".
> My point is the argument with your suggestion that
> "not every luthier does repairs". I don't believe
> that to be even remotely true. And nobody is talking
> about repairs, we're talking about setups. Surely
> someone in your position can understand the
> difference between a setup and a repair. Or
> do you view a guitar that has not had a setup
> as "needing a repair"?
>
> > > many luthiers don't do
> > > repairs or adjustments or setup...
>
> Lump:
>
> > > Which luthiers don't do repairs?
>
> Cyber:
>
> > Many luthiers don't do repairs,
> > they neither have the time nor the
> > tools to play with other peoples
> > instruments, they are too busy
> > playing with their own...
>
> Bullshit. Name these luthiers that "don't have the time".
> Even more hilarious, name these luthiers that "don't
> have the tools".
>
> I appreciate that your job enables you to label
> yourself as a "guitar tech", whatever that is.
> But your suggestion that luthiers are not equipped,
> skilled or willing to do setups or repairs is complete nonsense.
Lumper,
Ask a Luthier...they build stringed instruments...why would they take
the time out of their schedule to setup someones Ibanez, when they
already have a backlog and have to keep their clients happy??? Some do
repairs (and, I admit an increasing number are getting into it as the
market for their instruments dries up, and they need to feed the
kids...talk to Al Carruth. Some don't, talk to Linda Manzer. Talk to
Marc Benetau and ask him if he'll take a look at the action on your
Les Paul. Ask Bob Taylor, or Somogyi or Nick Benjamin, or Randy Wood
Luthiers are set up to assemble complete tops, they are not
necessarily setup or willing to disassemble something they didn't put
together, indeed, they may even baulk at taking their own apart.
Again, I was simply informing the OP that they needn't confine
themselves to a luthier and that another profession that specializes
in what he was asking for exists. Again, some luthiers do setups and
repairs as a sideline, there is a congruency of skills, but not
everyone has the time or the inclination to learn how to prepare a
crack for a splint and how to blend the finish so that the repair is
not obvious. For you to jump down my throat 'cause you didn't like the
fact that I said "repair" rather than "setup" is not only childish it
also smacks of an obsession that is slightly disturbing.
I've already directed you to a thread that is pertinent and
confirmatory. As for who does it, what would a list of names do for
you bud...talk to some luthiers yourself...go to the Montreal show, go
to a NAMM...calling something bullshit doesn't automatically make it
smell...
>
> Like saying "Auto mechanics don't do oil changes,
> they don't have the time or the tools. You have to
> take it to an oil change tech at Jiffy Lube".
Not even close...do you think every luthier has a steam injection
system, or a neck removal jig or 7 inch Waverley clamps...do you think
they are all setup for electronic diagnosis, do you think they even
want to be????? How do you think a Go deck is gonna work on the
cracked side of an assembled instrument? You are speaking out of utter
ignorance and here, like a fool, I am arguing with you...sorry. I
desist, you are quite correct, all luthiers do repairs...bring 'em
your huddled masses...arrogance and stupidity are a volatile mix...my
mistake.
>
> Lumpy
>
> In Your Ears for 40 Years
> w w w .LumpyMusic . com
-CS
On Apr 23, 8:01 am, "Lumpy" <lu...@digitalcartography . com > wrote:
> Cybersurf:
>
> > What is your point...do you therefore
> > think that *only* a luthier can
> > do setups...or do you concede that a
> > tech may also have an idea how to
> > set up a wide variety of instruments...
>
> I never mentioned the word "tech".
> My point is the argument with your suggestion that
> "not every luthier does repairs". I don't believe
> that to be even remotely true. And nobody is talking
> about repairs, we're talking about setups. Surely
> someone in your position can understand the
> difference between a setup and a repair. Or
> do you view a guitar that has not had a setup
> as "needing a repair"?
>
> > > many luthiers don't do
> > > repairs or adjustments or setup...
>
> Lump:
>
> > > Which luthiers don't do repairs?
>
> Cyber:
>
> > Many luthiers don't do repairs,
> > they neither have the time nor the
> > tools to play with other peoples
> > instruments, they are too busy
> > playing with their own...
>
> Bullshit. Name these luthiers that "don't have the time".
> Even more hilarious, name these luthiers that "don't
> have the tools".
>
> I appreciate that your job enables you to label
> yourself as a "guitar tech", whatever that is.
> But your suggestion that luthiers are not equipped,
> skilled or willing to do setups or repairs is complete nonsense.
Lumper,
Ask a Luthier...they build stringed instruments...why would they take
the time out of their schedule to setup someones Ibanez, when they
already have a backlog and have to keep their clients happy??? Some do
repairs (and, I admit an increasing number are getting into it as the
market for their instruments dries up, and they need to feed the
kids...talk to Al Carruth. Some don't, talk to Linda Manzer. Talk to
Marc Benetau and ask him if he'll take a look at the action on your
Les Paul. Ask Bob Taylor, or Somogyi or Nick Benjamin, or Randy Wood
Luthiers are set up to assemble complete tops, they are not
necessarily setup or willing to disassemble something they didn't put
together, indeed, they may even baulk at taking their own apart.
Again, I was simply informing the OP that they needn't confine
themselves to a luthier and that another profession that specializes
in what he was asking for exists. Again, some luthiers do setups and
repairs as a sideline, there is a congruency of skills, but not
everyone has the time or the inclination to learn how to prepare a
crack for a splint and how to blend the finish so that the repair is
not obvious. For you to jump down my throat 'cause you didn't like the
fact that I said "repair" rather than "setup" is not only childish it
also smacks of an obsession that is slightly disturbing.
I've already directed you to a thread that is pertinent and
confirmatory. As for who does it, what would a list of names do for
you bud...talk to some luthiers yourself...go to the Montreal show, go
to a NAMM...calling something bullshit doesn't automatically make it
smell...
>
> Like saying "Auto mechanics don't do oil changes,
> they don't have the time or the tools. You have to
> take it to an oil change tech at Jiffy Lube".
Not even close...do you think every luthier has a steam injection
system, or a neck removal jig or 7 inch Waverley clamps...do you think
they are all setup for electronic diagnosis, do you think they even
want to be????? How do you think a Go deck is gonna work on the
cracked side of an assembled instrument? You are speaking out of utter
ignorance and here, like a fool, I am arguing with you...sorry. I
desist, you are quite correct, all luthiers do repairs...bring 'em
your huddled masses...arrogance and stupidity are a volatile mix...my
mistake.
>
> Lumpy
>
> In Your Ears for 40 Years
> w w w .LumpyMusic . com
-CS
Re: Do all new guitars need pro setup?
Cyberserf wrote:
> Ask a Luthier...they build stringed
> instruments...why would they take
> the time out of their schedule to
> setup someones Ibanez, when they
> already have a backlog and have
> to keep their clients happy???...
Perhaps you're right.
Instead of taking your guitar to an expert
for a setup, you should take it to Guitar Center.
Obviously a person who builds guitars doesn't
have the tools and skills to adjust them.
And nearly every setup requires a steam
injector and a lacquer refinish station.
And Bob Taylor is a luthier.
"Low as it will go without buzzing"
isn't that how a "guitar tech" gets
his credentials?
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
w w w .LumpyMusic . com
Cyberserf wrote:
> Ask a Luthier...they build stringed
> instruments...why would they take
> the time out of their schedule to
> setup someones Ibanez, when they
> already have a backlog and have
> to keep their clients happy???...
Perhaps you're right.
Instead of taking your guitar to an expert
for a setup, you should take it to Guitar Center.
Obviously a person who builds guitars doesn't
have the tools and skills to adjust them.
And nearly every setup requires a steam
injector and a lacquer refinish station.
And Bob Taylor is a luthier.
"Low as it will go without buzzing"
isn't that how a "guitar tech" gets
his credentials?
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
w w w .LumpyMusic . com
Re: Do all new guitars need pro setup?
On Apr 23, 10:33 am, "Lumpy" <lu...@digitalcartography . com > wrote:
> Cyberserf wrote:
> > Ask a Luthier...they build stringed
> > instruments...why would they take
> > the time out of their schedule to
> > setup someones Ibanez, when they
> > already have a backlog and have
> > to keep their clients happy???...
>
> Perhaps you're right.
>
> Instead of taking your guitar to an expert
> for a setup, you should take it to Guitar Center.
> Obviously a person who builds guitars doesn't
> have the tools and skills to adjust them.
>
> And nearly every setup requires a steam
> injector and a lacquer refinish station.
>
> And Bob Taylor is a luthier.
>
> "Low as it will go without buzzing"
> isn't that how a "guitar tech" gets
> his credentials?
>
> Lumpy
>
> In Your Ears for 40 Years
> w w w .LumpyMusic . com
You asked about repairs...stop flipping around, it's hurting my
head...yeah...most guitar luthiers have the tools to do a setup on
your Yarie...no, not everyone will...some are too damn busy...some
have trained other to do that, but only for their own models. Some
supplement the bills by doing repairs, but I guarantee, if they do
that for too long, their building will suffer...repairs can very,
very, very quickly overwhelm your shop.
I do not set my action by a saying, I set it by a players style and
attack, string gauge, tuning preference and a host of esoterica which
I'm sure you already have full knowle4dge of. The action is ultimately
up to the player..some like it higher for more sustain, some strum too
hard for low action...whatever...I need to see them play to set it up
properly. My credentials are not an issue, I will never work on your
guitar...that's the reality...take what I have to say and question it
and research it...nothing wrong with that...but calling it bullshit
without even looking up the word "luthier" and figuring out that many
"luthiers" do not actually build guitars, is bloody insulting.
-CS
On Apr 23, 10:33 am, "Lumpy" <lu...@digitalcartography . com > wrote:
> Cyberserf wrote:
> > Ask a Luthier...they build stringed
> > instruments...why would they take
> > the time out of their schedule to
> > setup someones Ibanez, when they
> > already have a backlog and have
> > to keep their clients happy???...
>
> Perhaps you're right.
>
> Instead of taking your guitar to an expert
> for a setup, you should take it to Guitar Center.
> Obviously a person who builds guitars doesn't
> have the tools and skills to adjust them.
>
> And nearly every setup requires a steam
> injector and a lacquer refinish station.
>
> And Bob Taylor is a luthier.
>
> "Low as it will go without buzzing"
> isn't that how a "guitar tech" gets
> his credentials?
>
> Lumpy
>
> In Your Ears for 40 Years
> w w w .LumpyMusic . com
You asked about repairs...stop flipping around, it's hurting my
head...yeah...most guitar luthiers have the tools to do a setup on
your Yarie...no, not everyone will...some are too damn busy...some
have trained other to do that, but only for their own models. Some
supplement the bills by doing repairs, but I guarantee, if they do
that for too long, their building will suffer...repairs can very,
very, very quickly overwhelm your shop.
I do not set my action by a saying, I set it by a players style and
attack, string gauge, tuning preference and a host of esoterica which
I'm sure you already have full knowle4dge of. The action is ultimately
up to the player..some like it higher for more sustain, some strum too
hard for low action...whatever...I need to see them play to set it up
properly. My credentials are not an issue, I will never work on your
guitar...that's the reality...take what I have to say and question it
and research it...nothing wrong with that...but calling it bullshit
without even looking up the word "luthier" and figuring out that many
"luthiers" do not actually build guitars, is bloody insulting.
-CS
