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Your opinions would be appreciated
Your opinions would be appreciated
Wife is having major trouble getting her '88 Fender Strat 57 RI playing
right. Had it for 6 months or so. It's been well maintained, well played,
in excellent
shape, frets don't look overly worn and from what I've read and looked at on
various websites, they're well within the playable range . it has been cleaned
(the pots), set up and new strings installed a couple of times by various
techs at a couple of music shops, who claimed to have set the truss rod up,
but she's not happy with it. She and I can't tell if the truss rod is
actually adjusted right, and theres' still fret hum noise and the high E
string and low E just won't hold it's tune for
over 20 min playing, never mind day to day. She's not basically an amateur
who's learning, and the advice we've had from other local musicians is
conflicting. Is it time to send it to a Luthier? Is there more info I can
provide here to anyone that would help with an answer?
Thanks
Wife is having major trouble getting her '88 Fender Strat 57 RI playing
right. Had it for 6 months or so. It's been well maintained, well played,
in excellent
shape, frets don't look overly worn and from what I've read and looked at on
various websites, they're well within the playable range . it has been cleaned
(the pots), set up and new strings installed a couple of times by various
techs at a couple of music shops, who claimed to have set the truss rod up,
but she's not happy with it. She and I can't tell if the truss rod is
actually adjusted right, and theres' still fret hum noise and the high E
string and low E just won't hold it's tune for
over 20 min playing, never mind day to day. She's not basically an amateur
who's learning, and the advice we've had from other local musicians is
conflicting. Is it time to send it to a Luthier? Is there more info I can
provide here to anyone that would help with an answer?
Thanks
Re: Your opinions would be appreciated
>She's not basically an amateur who's learning,
Umm, sorry. Should read "She's basically an amateur who's learning"
>She's not basically an amateur who's learning,
Umm, sorry. Should read "She's basically an amateur who's learning"
Re: Your opinions would be appreciated
Augustus <no_one@nowhere . net > wrote:
> Wife is having major trouble getting her '88 Fender Strat 57 RI
> playing right. Had it for 6 months or so. It's been well maintained,
> well played, in excellent
> shape, frets don't look overly worn and from what I've read and
> looked at on various websites, they're well within the playable
> range . it has been cleaned (the pots), set up and new strings
> installed a couple of times by various techs at a couple of music
> shops, who claimed to have set the truss rod up, but she's not happy
> with it. She and I can't tell if the truss rod is actually adjusted
> right, and theres' still fret hum noise and the high E string and low
> E just won't hold it's tune for
> over 20 min playing, never mind day to day. She's not basically an
> amateur who's learning, and the advice we've had from other local
> musicians is conflicting. Is it time to send it to a Luthier? Is
> there more info I can provide here to anyone that would help with an
> answer?
>
> Thanks
Find a good tech not associated with a music shop. It seems to me it's
possible that the nut slots on the two E strings aren't cut properly and
are binding the string. Also, a good tech will observe your wife's
playing and will adapt the setup to suit her style. Correct me if I'm
wrong, but I'm guessing you just dropped the guitar off at a shop and
picked it up later. My guy has me there while he's doing more or less
routine work and has me handle the guitar at various stages of the
process.
If you can give us a general geographical area, maybe someone here can
direct you to someone who is appropriate for this.
Augustus <no_one@nowhere . net > wrote:
> Wife is having major trouble getting her '88 Fender Strat 57 RI
> playing right. Had it for 6 months or so. It's been well maintained,
> well played, in excellent
> shape, frets don't look overly worn and from what I've read and
> looked at on various websites, they're well within the playable
> range . it has been cleaned (the pots), set up and new strings
> installed a couple of times by various techs at a couple of music
> shops, who claimed to have set the truss rod up, but she's not happy
> with it. She and I can't tell if the truss rod is actually adjusted
> right, and theres' still fret hum noise and the high E string and low
> E just won't hold it's tune for
> over 20 min playing, never mind day to day. She's not basically an
> amateur who's learning, and the advice we've had from other local
> musicians is conflicting. Is it time to send it to a Luthier? Is
> there more info I can provide here to anyone that would help with an
> answer?
>
> Thanks
Find a good tech not associated with a music shop. It seems to me it's
possible that the nut slots on the two E strings aren't cut properly and
are binding the string. Also, a good tech will observe your wife's
playing and will adapt the setup to suit her style. Correct me if I'm
wrong, but I'm guessing you just dropped the guitar off at a shop and
picked it up later. My guy has me there while he's doing more or less
routine work and has me handle the guitar at various stages of the
process.
If you can give us a general geographical area, maybe someone here can
direct you to someone who is appropriate for this.
Re: Your opinions would be appreciated
> Find a good tech not associated with a music shop. It seems to me it's
> possible that the nut slots on the two E strings aren't cut properly and
> are binding the string. Also, a good tech will observe your wife's
> playing and will adapt the setup to suit her style. Correct me if I'm
> wrong, but I'm guessing you just dropped the guitar off at a shop and
> picked it up later.
Yes, you are correct. The high E is the biggest offender. I've tuned it
myself multiple times and it sounds "thin" and doesn't respond to the
machine head smoothly. You turn it, little or no change, turn some more,
large change, back off , goes too far back too fast.
>My guy has me there while he's doing more or less
> routine work and has me handle the guitar at various stages of the
> process.
>
> If you can give us a general geographical area, maybe someone here can
> direct you to someone who is appropriate for this.
We are in the Edmonton, Alberta, Canada area.
Thanks for your help.
> Find a good tech not associated with a music shop. It seems to me it's
> possible that the nut slots on the two E strings aren't cut properly and
> are binding the string. Also, a good tech will observe your wife's
> playing and will adapt the setup to suit her style. Correct me if I'm
> wrong, but I'm guessing you just dropped the guitar off at a shop and
> picked it up later.
Yes, you are correct. The high E is the biggest offender. I've tuned it
myself multiple times and it sounds "thin" and doesn't respond to the
machine head smoothly. You turn it, little or no change, turn some more,
large change, back off , goes too far back too fast.
>My guy has me there while he's doing more or less
> routine work and has me handle the guitar at various stages of the
> process.
>
> If you can give us a general geographical area, maybe someone here can
> direct you to someone who is appropriate for this.
We are in the Edmonton, Alberta, Canada area.
Thanks for your help.
Re: Your opinions would be appreciated
The high E is the biggest offender. I've tuned it
> myself multiple times and it sounds "thin" and doesn't respond to the
> machine head smoothly. You turn it, little or no change, turn some more,
> large change, back off , goes too far back too fast.
>
Could be improper winding around the post causing slippage, but more than
likely it's binding in the nut slot. Try some lubrication with nut sauce or
graphite. If it does have to be recut, bring it to a pro.
The high E is the biggest offender. I've tuned it
> myself multiple times and it sounds "thin" and doesn't respond to the
> machine head smoothly. You turn it, little or no change, turn some more,
> large change, back off , goes too far back too fast.
>
Could be improper winding around the post causing slippage, but more than
likely it's binding in the nut slot. Try some lubrication with nut sauce or
graphite. If it does have to be recut, bring it to a pro.
Re: Your opinions would be appreciated
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 03:57:26 GMT, "RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo . com > wrote:
>Augustus <no_one@nowhere . net > wrote:
>> Wife is having major trouble getting her '88 Fender Strat 57 RI
>> playing right. Had it for 6 months or so. It's been well maintained,
>> well played, in excellent
>> shape, frets don't look overly worn and from what I've read and
>> looked at on various websites, they're well within the playable
>> range . it has been cleaned (the pots), set up and new strings
>> installed a couple of times by various techs at a couple of music
>> shops, who claimed to have set the truss rod up, but she's not happy
>> with it. She and I can't tell if the truss rod is actually adjusted
>> right, and theres' still fret hum noise and the high E string and low
>> E just won't hold it's tune for
>> over 20 min playing, never mind day to day. She's not basically an
>> amateur who's learning, and the advice we've had from other local
>> musicians is conflicting. Is it time to send it to a Luthier? Is
>> there more info I can provide here to anyone that would help with an
>> answer?
>>
>> Thanks
>
>Find a good tech not associated with a music shop. It seems to me it's
>possible that the nut slots on the two E strings aren't cut properly and
>are binding the string. Also, a good tech will observe your wife's
>playing and will adapt the setup to suit her style. Correct me if I'm
>wrong, but I'm guessing you just dropped the guitar off at a shop and
>picked it up later. My guy has me there while he's doing more or less
>routine work and has me handle the guitar at various stages of the
>process.
>
>If you can give us a general geographical area, maybe someone here can
>direct you to someone who is appropriate for this.
>
It sounds like a bad NUT to me
Those are symptoms of a nut that is worn
or a nut that had string sizes changed, and the new strings are
smaller gauged.
Won't hold a tune is real common with nut wear.
Typically difficult to tune up, then won't stay tuned.
Sometimes a dead or dull sounding sting
and the irritnt is fret buss.
If they adjusted the truss rod already, then not much left.
Nuts for that guitar are common,and less then $5 for the piece.
The strings are suspendrd by the nut and the saddle.
If the frets are even it is often the nut.
Pholtron
(Go-Bot)
<--====-->
All learning -
begins in darknesssssss,
and ends, in the lighttttt.
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 03:57:26 GMT, "RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo . com > wrote:
>Augustus <no_one@nowhere . net > wrote:
>> Wife is having major trouble getting her '88 Fender Strat 57 RI
>> playing right. Had it for 6 months or so. It's been well maintained,
>> well played, in excellent
>> shape, frets don't look overly worn and from what I've read and
>> looked at on various websites, they're well within the playable
>> range . it has been cleaned (the pots), set up and new strings
>> installed a couple of times by various techs at a couple of music
>> shops, who claimed to have set the truss rod up, but she's not happy
>> with it. She and I can't tell if the truss rod is actually adjusted
>> right, and theres' still fret hum noise and the high E string and low
>> E just won't hold it's tune for
>> over 20 min playing, never mind day to day. She's not basically an
>> amateur who's learning, and the advice we've had from other local
>> musicians is conflicting. Is it time to send it to a Luthier? Is
>> there more info I can provide here to anyone that would help with an
>> answer?
>>
>> Thanks
>
>Find a good tech not associated with a music shop. It seems to me it's
>possible that the nut slots on the two E strings aren't cut properly and
>are binding the string. Also, a good tech will observe your wife's
>playing and will adapt the setup to suit her style. Correct me if I'm
>wrong, but I'm guessing you just dropped the guitar off at a shop and
>picked it up later. My guy has me there while he's doing more or less
>routine work and has me handle the guitar at various stages of the
>process.
>
>If you can give us a general geographical area, maybe someone here can
>direct you to someone who is appropriate for this.
>
It sounds like a bad NUT to me
Those are symptoms of a nut that is worn
or a nut that had string sizes changed, and the new strings are
smaller gauged.
Won't hold a tune is real common with nut wear.
Typically difficult to tune up, then won't stay tuned.
Sometimes a dead or dull sounding sting
and the irritnt is fret buss.
If they adjusted the truss rod already, then not much left.
Nuts for that guitar are common,and less then $5 for the piece.
The strings are suspendrd by the nut and the saddle.
If the frets are even it is often the nut.
Pholtron
(Go-Bot)
<--====-->
All learning -
begins in darknesssssss,
and ends, in the lighttttt.
Re: Your opinions would be appreciated
Pholtron wrote:
> Nuts for that guitar are common,and less then $5 for the piece.
I can buy a tire for my car for $50.
In either case, I'm then holding either
a nut or a tire in my hands.
"Oh did you want that installed?"
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
w w w .LumpyMusic . com
Pholtron wrote:
> Nuts for that guitar are common,and less then $5 for the piece.
I can buy a tire for my car for $50.
In either case, I'm then holding either
a nut or a tire in my hands.
"Oh did you want that installed?"
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
w w w .LumpyMusic . com
Re: Your opinions would be appreciated
Augustus laid this down on his screen :
> Wife is having major trouble getting her '88 Fender Strat 57 RI playing
> right. Had it for 6 months or so. It's been well maintained, well played, in
> excellent
> shape, frets don't look overly worn and from what I've read and looked at on
> various websites, they're well within the playable range . it has been cleaned
> (the pots), set up and new strings installed a couple of times by various
> techs at a couple of music shops, who claimed to have set the truss rod up,
> but she's not happy with it. She and I can't tell if the truss rod is
> actually adjusted right, and theres' still fret hum noise and the high E
> string and low E just won't hold it's tune for
> over 20 min playing, never mind day to day. She's not basically an amateur
> who's learning, and the advice we've had from other local musicians is
> conflicting. Is it time to send it to a Luthier? Is there more info I can
> provide here to anyone that would help with an answer?
>
> Thanks
Do you stretch the strings when you install them? I tried a set of Dean
Markleys that I could not get to stop stretching... the first third and
sixth strings were very difficult to keep in tune.
Have tried sighting down the neck? looking for any twist or bow in the
neck?
Augustus laid this down on his screen :
> Wife is having major trouble getting her '88 Fender Strat 57 RI playing
> right. Had it for 6 months or so. It's been well maintained, well played, in
> excellent
> shape, frets don't look overly worn and from what I've read and looked at on
> various websites, they're well within the playable range . it has been cleaned
> (the pots), set up and new strings installed a couple of times by various
> techs at a couple of music shops, who claimed to have set the truss rod up,
> but she's not happy with it. She and I can't tell if the truss rod is
> actually adjusted right, and theres' still fret hum noise and the high E
> string and low E just won't hold it's tune for
> over 20 min playing, never mind day to day. She's not basically an amateur
> who's learning, and the advice we've had from other local musicians is
> conflicting. Is it time to send it to a Luthier? Is there more info I can
> provide here to anyone that would help with an answer?
>
> Thanks
Do you stretch the strings when you install them? I tried a set of Dean
Markleys that I could not get to stop stretching... the first third and
sixth strings were very difficult to keep in tune.
Have tried sighting down the neck? looking for any twist or bow in the
neck?
Re: Your opinions would be appreciated
hi
have you tried rubbing some pencil lead in the grooves in the nut?I had
similar problem once and I was told to try this, it worked for me.
good luck
hackandtack
"Augustus" <no_one@nowhere . net > wrote in message
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> Wife is having major trouble getting her '88 Fender Strat 57 RI playing
> right. Had it for 6 months or so. It's been well maintained, well played,
> in excellent
> shape, frets don't look overly worn and from what I've read and looked at
> on various websites, they're well within the playable range . it has been
> cleaned (the pots), set up and new strings installed a couple of times by
> various techs at a couple of music shops, who claimed to have set the
> truss rod up, but she's not happy with it. She and I can't tell if the
> truss rod is actually adjusted right, and theres' still fret hum noise and
> the high E string and low E just won't hold it's tune for
> over 20 min playing, never mind day to day. She's not basically an
> amateur who's learning, and the advice we've had from other local
> musicians is conflicting. Is it time to send it to a Luthier? Is there
> more info I can provide here to anyone that would help with an answer?
>
> Thanks
>
hi
have you tried rubbing some pencil lead in the grooves in the nut?I had
similar problem once and I was told to try this, it worked for me.
good luck
hackandtack
"Augustus" <no_one@nowhere . net > wrote in message
news:ZBxQj.2147$PM5.391@edtnps92...
> Wife is having major trouble getting her '88 Fender Strat 57 RI playing
> right. Had it for 6 months or so. It's been well maintained, well played,
> in excellent
> shape, frets don't look overly worn and from what I've read and looked at
> on various websites, they're well within the playable range . it has been
> cleaned (the pots), set up and new strings installed a couple of times by
> various techs at a couple of music shops, who claimed to have set the
> truss rod up, but she's not happy with it. She and I can't tell if the
> truss rod is actually adjusted right, and theres' still fret hum noise and
> the high E string and low E just won't hold it's tune for
> over 20 min playing, never mind day to day. She's not basically an
> amateur who's learning, and the advice we've had from other local
> musicians is conflicting. Is it time to send it to a Luthier? Is there
> more info I can provide here to anyone that would help with an answer?
>
> Thanks
>
Re: Your opinions would be appreciated
Augustus wrote:
> ...She and I can't tell if the
> truss rod is actually adjusted
> right...
It's simple to tell. Capo the 1st fret,
and fret where the neck meets the body (14th).
Measure the space between the top of the
6th fret and the bottom of the string.
Fender has it's specs posted on their website.
That will tell you if the truss rod is close.
But the other factors that affect the geometry
(nut height, nut slot shape/size, bridge/saddle
settings, fret proud/sunk/worn/unlevel etc) will
all affect the intonation, buzz, playability.
> It has been cleaned (the pots), set up and new
> strings installed a couple of times by various
> techs at a couple of music shops...
> Is it time to send it to a Luthier?...
Read that question, consider your situation,
then YOU answer that honestly.
Seems like a clear answer for me.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
w w w .LumpyMusic . com
Augustus wrote:
> ...She and I can't tell if the
> truss rod is actually adjusted
> right...
It's simple to tell. Capo the 1st fret,
and fret where the neck meets the body (14th).
Measure the space between the top of the
6th fret and the bottom of the string.
Fender has it's specs posted on their website.
That will tell you if the truss rod is close.
But the other factors that affect the geometry
(nut height, nut slot shape/size, bridge/saddle
settings, fret proud/sunk/worn/unlevel etc) will
all affect the intonation, buzz, playability.
> It has been cleaned (the pots), set up and new
> strings installed a couple of times by various
> techs at a couple of music shops...
> Is it time to send it to a Luthier?...
Read that question, consider your situation,
then YOU answer that honestly.
Seems like a clear answer for me.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
w w w .LumpyMusic . com
Re: Your opinions would be appreciated
"Augustus" <no_one@nowhere . net > wrote in message
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> Wife is having major trouble getting her '88 Fender Strat 57 RI playing
> right. Had it for 6 months or so. It's been well maintained, well played,
> in excellent
> shape, frets don't look overly worn and from what I've read and looked at
> on various websites, they're well within the playable range . it has been
> cleaned (the pots), set up and new strings installed a couple of times by
> various techs at a couple of music shops, who claimed to have set the
> truss rod up, but she's not happy with it. She and I can't tell if the
> truss rod is actually adjusted right, and theres' still fret hum noise and
> the high E string and low E just won't hold it's tune for
> over 20 min playing, never mind day to day. She's not basically an
> amateur who's learning, and the advice we've had from other local
> musicians is conflicting. Is it time to send it to a Luthier? Is there
> more info I can provide here to anyone that would help with an answer?
>
> Thanks
Thank you to everone for your help. Greatly appreciated. I guess I should
have known Lumpy hung out here. I guess he just slums around in
alt.marketing.ebay :-)
"Augustus" <no_one@nowhere . net > wrote in message
news:ZBxQj.2147$PM5.391@edtnps92...
> Wife is having major trouble getting her '88 Fender Strat 57 RI playing
> right. Had it for 6 months or so. It's been well maintained, well played,
> in excellent
> shape, frets don't look overly worn and from what I've read and looked at
> on various websites, they're well within the playable range . it has been
> cleaned (the pots), set up and new strings installed a couple of times by
> various techs at a couple of music shops, who claimed to have set the
> truss rod up, but she's not happy with it. She and I can't tell if the
> truss rod is actually adjusted right, and theres' still fret hum noise and
> the high E string and low E just won't hold it's tune for
> over 20 min playing, never mind day to day. She's not basically an
> amateur who's learning, and the advice we've had from other local
> musicians is conflicting. Is it time to send it to a Luthier? Is there
> more info I can provide here to anyone that would help with an answer?
>
> Thanks
Thank you to everone for your help. Greatly appreciated. I guess I should
have known Lumpy hung out here. I guess he just slums around in
alt.marketing.ebay :-)
