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Muscle Bound Fingers

Reply from: Charmed Snark
Date: 30 Apr 2008, 18:54
Muscle Bound Fingers

Over the years of practicing acoustic fingerstyle
(classical), I have come to feel as if my hands
are almost "muscle bound" in the fingers. Is
this just my imagination or is this real? There
must be some finger muscle development going on
there.

I am curious if any of you folks noticed the same
thing as the years of playing guitar progressed.
I don't think I noticed it much until my 2nd or
3rd year of classical training.

Just curious.

Snark.
** Posted from * w w w .teranews . com **

Reply from: FirstAlternate
Date: 30 Apr 2008, 19:43
Re: Muscle Bound Fingers

The muscles that control your fingers are actually located up in your
forearm and connect to the fingers via tendons. Consequently, strengthening
your fingers will not result in any increase in the diameter of your
fingers. If you are experiencing an increase in finger diameter, it is from
a source other than muscle development.



Reply from: Derek
Date: 30 Apr 2008, 20:40
Re: Muscle Bound Fingers

FirstAlternate wrote:

> The muscles that control your fingers are actually located up in your
> forearm and connect to the fingers via tendons.  Consequently, strengthe=
ning
> your fingers will not result in any increase in the diameter of your
> fingers.  If you are experiencing an increase in finger diameter, it is =
from
> a source other than muscle development.

FirstAlternate is right, so cut it out before you go blind.


Reply from: Charmed Snark
Date: 30 Apr 2008, 22:08
Re: Muscle Bound Fingers

Derek expounded in news:2b2992d1-5516-4ad2-b023-dac38afbcd64
@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups . com :

> FirstAlternate wrote:
>
>> The muscles that control your fingers are actually located up in your
>> forearm and connect to the fingers via tendons.  Consequently,
strengthe
> ning
>> your fingers will not result in any increase in the diameter of your
>> fingers.  If you are experiencing an increase in finger diameter, it
is
> from
>> a source other than muscle development.
>
> FirstAlternate is right, so cut it out before you go blind.

Heh, heh, seriously folks...

You are right about the arm muscles for finger
movements requiring strength (bar chords probably
always involve serious arm muscle). But due to
the nature of the muscles in the arm being long
and far from the finger, these are used for
relatively slow musical operations.

For fast finger movements, it has been reported
that the muscles immediately surrounding the
fingers and their joints become more involved.

This is the connection that beginners stuggle to
connect their brains too-- once accomplished, you
can then play faster lead notes with the small
muscles being involved (this also has been reported
to be important to piano players). Obviously these
are weak, but they can be fast. This is also why
you are encouraged to develop a light tough--
otherwise your brain will always enlist the
help of the stronger arm muscles instead,
which slows things down.

So again, I wonder if these (distal?) muscles
bulk up at all.

Snark.
** Posted from * w w w .teranews . com **

Reply from: Derek
Date: 30 Apr 2008, 22:17
Re: Muscle Bound Fingers

Charmed Snark wrote:
> Heh, heh, seriously folks...
>
> You are right about the arm muscles for finger
> movements requiring strength (bar chords probably
> always involve serious arm muscle). But due to
> the nature of the muscles in the arm being long
> and far from the finger, these are used for
> relatively slow musical operations.
>
> For fast finger movements, it has been reported
> that the muscles immediately surrounding the
> fingers and their joints become more involved.
>
> This is the connection that beginners stuggle to
> connect their brains too-- once accomplished, you
> can then play faster lead notes with the small
> muscles being involved (this also has been reported
> to be important to piano players). Obviously these
> are weak, but they can be fast. This is also why
> you are encouraged to develop a light tough--
> otherwise your brain will always enlist the
> help of the stronger arm muscles instead,
> which slows things down.
>
> So again, I wonder if these (distal?) muscles
> bulk up at all.

Okay, assuming you are serious and not going to ask us about too much
guitar playing causing hair to sprout up on your palm.....

Distance runners do not have noticably large leg muscles. Developed,
yes, but not out of the ordinary large like sprinters.

Weight lifting or other resistance exercising will cause muscle
development, but unless you are doing heavy lifting, you are not going
to look like Ahnuld.

Playing the guitar would be more like distance running than
sprinting. I sincerely doubt you are growing muscles in your
fingers.

I play daily, and have not noticed such.

I can't wait for Lumpy to get home and find this thread. I don't
think we have had a better set up for him since Desi and his imaginary
friends came parading thru last week. :-)

Reply from: Charmed Snark
Date: 30 Apr 2008, 22:31
Re: Muscle Bound Fingers

Derek expounded in news:8a4bfcab-2015-475f-a753-c53550f9ce8a@
34g2000hsh.googlegroups . com :

> Charmed Snark wrote:
>> Heh, heh, seriously folks...
>>
>> You are right about the arm muscles for finger
>> movements requiring strength (bar chords probably
>> always involve serious arm muscle). But due to
..
>> So again, I wonder if these (distal?) muscles
>> bulk up at all.

> Distance runners do not have noticably large leg muscles. Developed,
> yes, but not out of the ordinary large like sprinters.

So what changes in a "developed muscle"?
Aerobic capacity to feed the cells oxygen only?

Snark.
** Posted from * w w w .teranews . com **

Reply from: johnty
Date: 01 May 2008, 08:53
Re: Muscle Bound Fingers

On 30 Apr, 21:31, Charmed Snark <sn...@cogeco.ca> wrote:

>
> So what changes in a "developed muscle"?
> Aerobic capacity to feed the cells oxygen only?
>

That plus the ability to remove lactic acid efficiently


Reply from: johnty
Date: 01 May 2008, 08:54
Re: Muscle Bound Fingers

On 30 Apr, 21:08, Charmed Snark <sn...@cogeco.ca> wrote:

>
> So again, I wonder if these (distal?) muscles
> bulk up at all.
>

If that was true wouldn't almost everyone be walking around with one
hand noticeably bigger than the other?


Reply from: Charmed Snark
Date: 01 May 2008, 18:48
Re: Muscle Bound Fingers

johnty expounded in news:159a49e1-d847-4a46-896c-842b0f402acb@
24g2000hsh.googlegroups . com :

> On 30 Apr, 21:08, Charmed Snark <sn...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>> So again, I wonder if these (distal?) muscles
>> bulk up at all.
>>
>
> If that was true wouldn't almost everyone be walking around with one
> hand noticeably bigger than the other?

Not if you're a finger picker.

Snark.
** Posted from * w w w .teranews . com **

Reply from: Jack
Date: 30 Apr 2008, 23:12
Re: Muscle Bound Fingers

On Apr 30, 9:54 am, Charmed Snark <sn...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
> Over the years of practicing acoustic fingerstyle
> (classical), I have come to feel as if my hands
> are almost "muscle bound" in the fingers. Is
> this just my imagination or is this real? There
> must be some finger muscle development going on
> there.
>
> I am curious if any of you folks noticed the same
> thing as the years of playing guitar progressed.
> I don't think I noticed it much until my 2nd or
> 3rd year of classical training.
>
> Just curious.
>
> Snark.
> ** Posted from * w w w .teranews . com **

According to this there ain't no muscles in the digits:
* w w w .eorthopod . com /images/ContentImages/hand/hand anatomy/hand anatomy intro01.jpg

Lunge cancer patients can exhibit clubbed fingers.

Jack

Reply from: Charmed Snark
Date: 01 May 2008, 18:50
Re: Muscle Bound Fingers

Jack expounded in
news:a1d6eb34-2553-41d0-b505-206666132db2@l25g2000prd.googlegroups . com :

> On Apr 30, 9:54 am, Charmed Snark <sn...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> Over the years of practicing acoustic fingerstyle
>> (classical), I have come to feel as if my hands
>> are almost "muscle bound" in the fingers. Is
>> this just my imagination or is this real? There
>> must be some finger muscle development going on
>> there.
>>
>> I am curious if any of you folks noticed the same
>> thing as the years of playing guitar progressed.
>> I don't think I noticed it much until my 2nd or
>> 3rd year of classical training.
>>
>> Just curious.
>>
>> Snark.
>
> According to this there ain't no muscles in the digits:
> * w w w .eorthopod . com /images/ContentImages/hand/hand_anatomy/hand_an
> atomy_intro01.jpg

> Jack

That picture is not focusing on the fingers. There
are muscles there, but they are small and weak.

Snark.
** Posted from * w w w .teranews . com **

Reply from: Bryan
Date: 01 May 2008, 00:19
Re: Muscle Bound Fingers


"Charmed Snark" <snark@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns9A90835707A43SnarkCharmedImSure@66.175.223.2...
> Over the years of practicing acoustic fingerstyle
> (classical), I have come to feel as if my hands
> are almost "muscle bound" in the fingers. Is
> this just my imagination or is this real? There
> must be some finger muscle development going on
> there.
>
> I am curious if any of you folks noticed the same
> thing as the years of playing guitar progressed.
> I don't think I noticed it much until my 2nd or
> 3rd year of classical training.
>
> Just curious.
>
> Snark.
> ** Posted from * w w w .teranews . com **

Are you sure it's not more of a shortening of the tendons you are
experiencing?
I have been rather hard on my hands and wrists over the years(high
strain,heavy work)and i notice that they tend to "stiffen" (seems to me to
be akin to the shortening of the ligaments)
If i open my hands as far as i can the palm and fingers are flat only(i
can't get them to bend backward at all )
when opened flat my fingers tend to remain slightly curved and i can feel
tension in them(stretching may help this)...



Reply from: M.Butzin
Date: 01 May 2008, 08:15
Re: Muscle Bound Fingers

"Bryan" <bconrad@dodo . com .au> wrote in message
news:4818f05a$0$75758$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra . net ...
>
> "Charmed Snark" <snark@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
> news:Xns9A90835707A43SnarkCharmedImSure@66.175.223.2...
>> Over the years of practicing acoustic fingerstyle
>> (classical), I have come to feel as if my hands
>> are almost "muscle bound" in the fingers. Is
>> this just my imagination or is this real? There
>> must be some finger muscle development going on
>> there.
>>
>> I am curious if any of you folks noticed the same
>> thing as the years of playing guitar progressed.
>> I don't think I noticed it much until my 2nd or
>> 3rd year of classical training.
>>
>> Just curious.
>>
>> Snark.
>> ** Posted from * w w w .teranews . com **
>
> Are you sure it's not more of a shortening of the tendons you are
> experiencing?
> I have been rather hard on my hands and wrists over the years(high
> strain,heavy work)and i notice that they tend to "stiffen" (seems to me to
> be akin to the shortening of the ligaments)
> If i open my hands as far as i can the palm and fingers are flat only(i
> can't get them to bend backward at all )
> when opened flat my fingers tend to remain slightly curved and i can feel
> tension in them(stretching may help this)...
>

That's arthritis creeping in.

--
MB


Reply from: Bryan
Date: 01 May 2008, 10:52
Re: Muscle Bound Fingers


"M.Butzin" <mfbutzin@NOSPAMdotnet> wrote in message
news:TddSj.7989$iK6.6475@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc . com ...
> "Bryan" <bconrad@dodo . com .au> wrote in message
> news:4818f05a$0$75758$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra . net ...
>>
>> "Charmed Snark" <snark@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9A90835707A43SnarkCharmedImSure@66.175.223.2...
>>> Over the years of practicing acoustic fingerstyle
>>> (classical), I have come to feel as if my hands
>>> are almost "muscle bound" in the fingers. Is
>>> this just my imagination or is this real? There
>>> must be some finger muscle development going on
>>> there.
>>>
>>> I am curious if any of you folks noticed the same
>>> thing as the years of playing guitar progressed.
>>> I don't think I noticed it much until my 2nd or
>>> 3rd year of classical training.
>>>
>>> Just curious.
>>>
>>> Snark.
>>> ** Posted from * w w w .teranews . com **
>>
>> Are you sure it's not more of a shortening of the tendons you are
>> experiencing?
>> I have been rather hard on my hands and wrists over the years(high
>> strain,heavy work)and i notice that they tend to "stiffen" (seems to me
>> to be akin to the shortening of the ligaments)
>> If i open my hands as far as i can the palm and fingers are flat only(i
>> can't get them to bend backward at all )
>> when opened flat my fingers tend to remain slightly curved and i can feel
>> tension in them(stretching may help this)...
>>
>
> That's arthritis creeping in.
>
> --
> MB

WHAAT??,just shout into the megaphone sonny...



Reply from: M.Butzin
Date: 01 May 2008, 23:35
Re: Muscle Bound Fingers

"Bryan" <bconrad@dodo . com .au> wrote in message
news:481984c3$0$75767$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra . net ...
>
> "M.Butzin" <mfbutzin@NOSPAMdotnet> wrote in message
> news:TddSj.7989$iK6.6475@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc . com ...
>> "Bryan" <bconrad@dodo . com .au> wrote in message
>> news:4818f05a$0$75758$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra . net ...
>>>
>>> "Charmed Snark" <snark@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9A90835707A43SnarkCharmedImSure@66.175.223.2...
>>>> Over the years of practicing acoustic fingerstyle
>>>> (classical), I have come to feel as if my hands
>>>> are almost "muscle bound" in the fingers. Is
>>>> this just my imagination or is this real? There
>>>> must be some finger muscle development going on
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> I am curious if any of you folks noticed the same
>>>> thing as the years of playing guitar progressed.
>>>> I don't think I noticed it much until my 2nd or
>>>> 3rd year of classical training.
>>>>
>>>> Just curious.
>>>>
>>>> Snark.
>>>> ** Posted from * w w w .teranews . com **
>>>
>>> Are you sure it's not more of a shortening of the tendons you are
>>> experiencing?
>>> I have been rather hard on my hands and wrists over the years(high
>>> strain,heavy work)and i notice that they tend to "stiffen" (seems to me
>>> to be akin to the shortening of the ligaments)
>>> If i open my hands as far as i can the palm and fingers are flat only(i
>>> can't get them to bend backward at all )
>>> when opened flat my fingers tend to remain slightly curved and i can
>>> feel tension in them(stretching may help this)...
>>>
>>
>> That's arthritis creeping in.
>>
>> --
>> MB
>
> WHAAT??,just shout into the megaphone sonny...
>
Bryan,

I've had it in my hands since I started riding motorcycles in my teens, the
ring fingers on both hands "locks" if I grip things tightly. I found that if
you fill the sink with water as hot as you can stand and submerge your hands
in it and do stretching exercises under water it will only take a few times
and it will ease off. YMMV.

MB



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