Amp Comparison

Amp Comparison

Hi,
I want to buy a new amplifier and I have two in mind.
I don't see any difference except for appearance (and price).
If that is the only difference, I am going to go with the less
expensive one.

Here they are:
Fender Hot Rod Deluxe:
http :// www .musiciansfriend,com /product/Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-Amp?skuH0510

Fender Limited Edition Hot Rod Deluxe:
http :// www .musiciansfriend,com /product/Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-120W-1x12-Guitar-Combo-Amp?skuH1857

Can anyone see a difference besides the way it looks?

Thanks
Mike
7th string

Re: Amp Comparison

On May 4, 3:16 pm, 7th string <macoul...@charter,net > wrote:
> Hi,
> I want to buy a new amplifier and I have two in mind.
> I don't see any difference except for appearance (and price).
> If that is the only difference, I am going to go with the less
> expensive one.
>
> Here they are:
> Fender Hot Rod Deluxe: http :// www .musiciansfriend,com /product/Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-Amp?sku=...
>
> Fender Limited Edition Hot Rod Deluxe: http :// www .musiciansfriend,com /product/Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-120W-1x1...
>
> Can anyone see a difference besides the way it looks?
>
> Thanks
> Mike
> 7th string

Looks like the LE has a Celeston V30 speaker; that's probably better.
Also, there is mention of a birch cabinet - a lot of the Fender amps
now are particle board (can't really tell about that). Can you look
at and listen to one in a store?

Bill

Re: Amp Comparison

On May 4, 2:16 pm, 7th string <macoul...@charter,net > wrote:
> Hi,
> I want to buy a new amplifier and I have two in mind.
> I don't see any difference except for appearance (and price).
> If that is the only difference, I am going to go with the less
> expensive one.
>
> Here they are:
> Fender Hot Rod Deluxe: http :// www .musiciansfriend,com /product/Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-Amp?sku=...
>
> Fender Limited Edition Hot Rod Deluxe: http :// www .musiciansfriend,com /product/Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-120W-1x1...
>
> Can anyone see a difference besides the way it looks?
>
> Thanks
> Mike
> 7th string

$500 more for orange color and racing stripes?

Pt

Re: Amp Comparison

On May 4, 5:59 pm, Pt <pea...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On May 4, 2:16 pm, 7th string <macoul...@charter,net > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi,
> > I want to buy a new amplifier and I have two in mind.
> > I don't see any difference except for appearance (and price).
> > If that is the only difference, I am going to go with the less
> > expensive one.
>
> > Here they are:
> > Fender Hot Rod Deluxe: http :// www .musiciansfriend,com /product/Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-Amp?sku=...
>
> > Fender Limited Edition Hot Rod Deluxe: http :// www .musiciansfriend,com /product/Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-120W-1x1...
>
> > Can anyone see a difference besides the way it looks?
>
> > Thanks
> > Mike
> > 7th string
>
> $500 more for orange color and racing stripes?
>
> Pt- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

And a celestion V30 speaker (assumed made in PRC).

I'd definitely go for the cheaper one.

Greg

Re: Amp Comparison

The only thing different outside of the appearance looks to be the cabinet
made of birch and the Vintage 30 speaker. I have a HRD. I replaced the stock
speaker with.....................a Vintage 30. It's your decision whether
those 2 apparent upgrades are worth $500 more.................I myself think
not. I'm sure you know that these Fender's are named "Hot Rod" for a reason.
Classic Fender clean you will not get. Not much clean anyhow. I have a
fender twin for that. For $700 you can get a Deluxe
Reverb................which I also happen to have. Fender clean right into
Fender crunch.......................









"7th string" <macoulter@charter,net > wrote in message
news:8066328e-a28a-408a-92c8-dc3abcf4e81d@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups,com ...
> Hi,
> I want to buy a new amplifier and I have two in mind.
> I don't see any difference except for appearance (and price).
> If that is the only difference, I am going to go with the less
> expensive one.
>
> Here they are:
> Fender Hot Rod Deluxe:
> http :// www .musiciansfriend,com /product/Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-Amp?skuH0510
>
> Fender Limited Edition Hot Rod Deluxe:
> http :// www .musiciansfriend,com /product/Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-120W-1x12-Guitar-Combo-Amp?skuH1857
>
> Can anyone see a difference besides the way it looks?
>
> Thanks
> Mike
> 7th string

Re: Amp Comparison


"LenBum" <LenBum@optimum,net > wrote in message
news:481e4627$0$11601$607ed4bc@cv,net ...
> The only thing different outside of the appearance looks to be the cabinet
> made of birch and the Vintage 30 speaker. I have a HRD. I replaced the
> stock speaker with.....................a Vintage 30. It's your decision
> whether those 2 apparent upgrades are worth $500 more.................I
> myself think not. I'm sure you know that these Fender's are named "Hot
> Rod" for a reason. Classic Fender clean you will not get. Not much clean
> anyhow. I have a fender twin for that. For $700 you can get a Deluxe
> Reverb................which I also happen to have. Fender clean right into
> Fender crunch.......................
>
>
>

Is that the 22 watt Deluxe Reverb? I'm showing my ignorance here, but I
don't understand why a 22 watt amp would sell for so much ($949.99 on
Musicians Friend). How would a 22 watt amps stand up next to a 120 watt
amp? Wouldn't the 22 watt amp lack volume?

Re: Amp Comparison

On 04 May 2008, "Hud" <hud_ohio@yahoo,com > wrote in
alt.guitar.beginner:

> Is that the 22 watt Deluxe Reverb? I'm showing my ignorance here,
> but I don't understand why a 22 watt amp would sell for so much
> ($949.99 on Musicians Friend). How would a 22 watt amps stand up
> next to a 120 watt amp? Wouldn't the 22 watt amp lack volume?

It sells for so much for a few reasons...

- 22 watts is not necessarily that much quieter than, say, a 50- or
100-watt amp when turned up high. The Deluxe can still get quite loud.
The difference is what's called "headroom". In other words, when the
lower-watt amp is turned way up, it produces distortion under stress.
The higher-watt amp can produce cleaner sound at higher volumes. The
Deluxe Reverb can get a great distorted sound at more reasonable
volumes than, say, a 200-watt Marshall Major.

- The original Fender Deluxe Reverb is considered a classic amp. It
produces a beautiful clean sound at lower volumes, and distorts
beautifully when turned up loud. An example is early Larry Carlton,
when he was with The Crusaders and some of the Steely Dan sessions.
Apparently, the current Deluxe Reverb Reissue is a fairly successful
copy (in sound but not in construction). Because of the original amp's
legacy and popularity, Fender is able to charge a premium.

Re: Amp Comparison


"Nil" <rednoise+news@REMOVETHIScomcast,net > wrote in message
news:Xns9A94ECFCE3D38nilch1@216.196.97.136...
> On 04 May 2008, "Hud" <hud ohio@yahoo,com > wrote in
> alt.guitar.beginner:
>
>> Is that the 22 watt Deluxe Reverb? I'm showing my ignorance here,
>> but I don't understand why a 22 watt amp would sell for so much
>> ($949.99 on Musicians Friend). How would a 22 watt amps stand up
>> next to a 120 watt amp? Wouldn't the 22 watt amp lack volume?
>
> It sells for so much for a few reasons...
>
> - 22 watts is not necessarily that much quieter than, say, a 50- or
> 100-watt amp when turned up high. The Deluxe can still get quite loud.
> The difference is what's called "headroom". In other words, when the
> lower-watt amp is turned way up, it produces distortion under stress.
> The higher-watt amp can produce cleaner sound at higher volumes. The
> Deluxe Reverb can get a great distorted sound at more reasonable
> volumes than, say, a 200-watt Marshall Major.
>
> - The original Fender Deluxe Reverb is considered a classic amp. It
> produces a beautiful clean sound at lower volumes, and distorts
> beautifully when turned up loud. An example is early Larry Carlton,
> when he was with The Crusaders and some of the Steely Dan sessions.
> Apparently, the current Deluxe Reverb Reissue is a fairly successful
> copy (in sound but not in construction). Because of the original amp's
> legacy and popularity, Fender is able to charge a premium.

Thanks for explaining that. I always wondered what the value of a low
wattage amp was. Now I know.

Re: Amp Comparison

On May 4, 10:43 pm, "Hud" <hud o...@yahoo,com > wrote:

> Thanks for explaining that.  I always wondered what the value of a low
> wattage amp was.  Now I know.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


I practice, rehearse and gig (mic'ed) with a 12 watt tube amp.

Pt

Re: Amp Comparison

On Sun, 4 May 2008 22:25:27 -0700 (PDT), Pt <peatea@yahoo,com > did
courageously avow:

>On May 4, 10:43 pm, "Hud" <hud o...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>> Thanks for explaining that.  I always wondered what the value of a low
>> wattage amp was.  Now I know.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
>I practice, rehearse and gig (mic'ed) with a 12 watt tube amp.
>
>Pt

I have a 5W Victoria that has a single switch controlling both on/off
and volume. No tone stack anywhere in sight. Volume goes to 12.
Based on the Champ but with 12" Jensen. Breaks up very nicely. And
still loud enough at 5W to sufficiently annoy neighbours.

--
Ken Wilson
http :// www .myspace,com /bcislander

Re: Amp Comparison

7th string wrote:
> Hi,
> I want to buy a new amplifier and I have two in mind.
> I don't see any difference except for appearance (and price).
> If that is the only difference, I am going to go with the less
> expensive one.
>
> Here they are:
> Fender Hot Rod Deluxe:
> http :// www .musiciansfriend,com /product/Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-Amp?skuH0510
>
> Fender Limited Edition Hot Rod Deluxe:
> http :// www .musiciansfriend,com /product/Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-120W-1x12-Guitar-Combo-Amp?skuH1857
>
> Can anyone see a difference besides the way it looks?
>
> Thanks
> Mike
> 7th string

A bit of info you didn't ask for ...

The HRD is LOUD. I had one, tries yellow jackets, couldn't get it to
sound decent at home volume. I eventually got rid of it and got a Blues Jr.

If you want this thing for home/practice use, consider it carefully.

Re: Amp Comparison

On May 4, 3:16 pm, 7th string <macoul...@charter,net > wrote:
> Hi,
> I want to buy a new amplifier and I have two in mind.
> I don't see any difference except for appearance (and price).
> If that is the only difference, I am going to go with the less
> expensive one.
>
> Here they are:
> Fender Hot Rod Deluxe: http :// www .musiciansfriend,com /product/Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-Amp?sku=...
>
> Fender Limited Edition Hot Rod Deluxe: http :// www .musiciansfriend,com /product/Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-120W-1x1...
>
> Can anyone see a difference besides the way it looks?
>
> Thanks
> Mike
> 7th string


I had a very bad experience with my Hot Rod Deluxe. It was way too
loud, the drive channels suck. The Bass is flabby and it was in the
shop more than it was out.

YMMV, bgut I wish I never bought mine.

Re: Amp Comparison

General Specific wrote:

> I had a very bad experience with my Hot Rod Deluxe. It was way too
> loud, the drive channels suck. The Bass is flabby and it was in the
> shop more than it was out.
>
> YMMV, bgut I wish I never bought mine.

My mileage is different. I like my HRD very much. I found that the "tto
loud" issue can be addressed by not turning it up so loud. I have a knob
for that on the HRD, and knobs for that on my guitar.

I agree that the drive channel isn't the best, but I prefer my Maxon
pedal anyway.
If someone is hoping to get natural tube break up distortion thingy,
this amp isn't for you because you'd have to have it turned up so loud
it would knock the moon out of the sky.
But I find the clean tone with my ES335 very nice, and so far (four or
five years) I haven't had any breakage issues KOW.

Re: Amp Comparison

On May 8, 10:41 am, Sean <s...@fake.con> wrote:
> General Specific wrote:
> > I had a very bad experience with my Hot Rod Deluxe.  It was way too
> > loud, the drive channels suck.  The Bass is flabby and it was in the
> > shop more than it was out.
>
> > YMMV, bgut I wish I never bought mine.
>
> My mileage is different. I like my HRD very much. I found that the "tto
> loud" issue can be addressed by not turning it up so loud. I have a knob
> for that on the HRD, and knobs for that on my guitar.
>
> I agree that the drive channel isn't the best, but I prefer my Maxon
> pedal anyway.
> If someone is hoping to get natural tube break up distortion thingy,
> this amp isn't for you because you'd have to have it turned up so loud
> it would knock the moon out of the sky.
> But I find the clean tone with my ES335 very nice, and so far (four or
> five years) I haven't had any breakage issues KOW.



The volume knob on my HRD goes from 0 to LOUD. I have suspected for a
long time that this is faulty.

Re: Amp Comparison

General Specific wrote:
> On May 8, 10:41 am, Sean <s...@fake.con> wrote:
>> General Specific wrote:
>>> I had a very bad experience with my Hot Rod Deluxe. It was way too
>>> loud, the drive channels suck. The Bass is flabby and it was in the
>>> shop more than it was out.
>>> YMMV, bgut I wish I never bought mine.
>> My mileage is different. I like my HRD very much. I found that the "tto
>> loud" issue can be addressed by not turning it up so loud. I have a knob
>> for that on the HRD, and knobs for that on my guitar.
>>
>> I agree that the drive channel isn't the best, but I prefer my Maxon
>> pedal anyway.
>> If someone is hoping to get natural tube break up distortion thingy,
>> this amp isn't for you because you'd have to have it turned up so loud
>> it would knock the moon out of the sky.
>> But I find the clean tone with my ES335 very nice, and so far (four or
>> five years) I haven't had any breakage issues KOW.
>
>
>
> The volume knob on my HRD goes from 0 to LOUD. I have suspected for a
> long time that this is faulty.
>

Yeah, there's something wrong with it.