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Good Sub $1000 6 String

Reply from: plaintext
Date: 25 Apr 2008, 19:44
Good Sub $1000 6 String

I did a search and most of the posts that I found were old, so I
thought I would throw this out for any current suggestions. I am
strictly a hobby player. I play a little in the church that I attend.
I play with some from friends as well as my wife. she plays guitar and
keyboards. I play for the pure enjoyment of playing and loosing myself
in the groove. I have a couple of 4 strings and a 5 string and I would
like to move up to 6 string. I am looking for something less then
$1000, but that is of good, not excellent, quality.

Thanks,

Reply from: js
Date: 25 Apr 2008, 20:00
Re: Good Sub $1000 6 String

Depends. There are a lot of decent quality 6 strings in that price range,
but very few that even approach "standard" string spacing.

The closest I've found were the Ibanez BTB series.

* w w w .ibanez . com /BASS/guitar.aspx?m=BTB576FM

"plaintext" <plaintext@gmail . com > wrote in message
news:0adf388b-7d3d-429d-bc84-19dd7801c544@r9g2000prd.googlegroups . com ...
> I did a search and most of the posts that I found were old, so I
> thought I would throw this out for any current suggestions. I am
> strictly a hobby player. I play a little in the church that I attend.
> I play with some from friends as well as my wife. she plays guitar and
> keyboards. I play for the pure enjoyment of playing and loosing myself
> in the groove. I have a couple of 4 strings and a 5 string and I would
> like to move up to 6 string. I am looking for something less then
> $1000, but that is of good, not excellent, quality.
>
> Thanks,



Reply from: plaintext
Date: 25 Apr 2008, 20:21
Re: Good Sub $1000 6 String

I have checked these out online and was very impressed. My concern,
and remember I am just a hobby player, is the 35" scale. My other
basses are all 34". Would this cause any problems for me going back
and forth between them, or am I just over thinking it?

On Apr 25, 12:00 pm, "js" <nothing AT nothing DOT com> wrote:
> Depends. There are a lot of decent quality 6 strings in that price range,
> but very few that even approach "standard" string spacing.
>
> The closest I've found were the Ibanez BTB series.
>
> * w w w .ibanez . com /BASS/guitar.aspx?m=BTB576FM
>
> "plaintext" <plaint...@gmail . com > wrote in message
>
> news:0adf388b-7d3d-429d-bc84-19dd7801c544@r9g2000prd.googlegroups . com ...
>
> > I did a search and most of the posts that I found were old, so I
> > thought I would throw this out for any current suggestions. I am
> > strictly a hobby player. I play a little in the church that I attend.
> > I play with some from friends as well as my wife. she plays guitar and
> > keyboards. I play for the pure enjoyment of playing and loosing myself
> > in the groove. I have a couple of 4 strings and a 5 string and I would
> > like to move up to 6 string. I am looking for something less then
> > $1000, but that is of good, not excellent, quality.
>
> > Thanks,


Reply from: Eryn Shewell Band
Date: 25 Apr 2008, 20:55
Re: Good Sub $1000 6 String

On Apr 25, 2:21=EF=BF=BDpm, plaintext <plaint...@gmail . com > wrote:
> I have checked these out online and was very impressed. My concern,
> and remember I am just a hobby player, is the 35" scale. My other
> basses are all 34". Would this cause any problems for me going back
> and forth between them, or am I just over thinking it?

You're over thinking. The difference in feel/playability is minimal,
if not unnoticeable, but the improvement in the B string with a 35"
scale is significant.

Reply from: plaintext
Date: 25 Apr 2008, 21:18
Re: Good Sub $1000 6 String

Thank you. That helps a great deal. My 5 string is an Ibanez and I
have been very pleased with it.

On Apr 25, 12:55 pm, "John (Eryn Shewell Band)" <skoki...@aol . com >
wrote:
> On Apr 25, 2:21=EF=BF=BDpm, plaintext <plaint...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> > I have checked these out online and was very impressed. My concern,
> > and remember I am just a hobby player, is the 35" scale. My other
> > basses are all 34". Would this cause any problems for me going back
> > and forth between them, or am I just over thinking it?
>
> You're over thinking. The difference in feel/playability is minimal,
> if not unnoticeable, but the improvement in the B string with a 35"
> scale is significant.


Reply from: Frederic Gelinas
Date: 26 Apr 2008, 04:18
Re: Good Sub $1000 6 String

js wrote:

> The closest I've found were the Ibanez BTB series.

I second that. I own a BTB 405 and it is a very good value for the
money. I tried a 6 strings BTB and it was very good too.

--
Frederic Gelinas

Reply from: fourstring
Date: 25 Apr 2008, 21:03
Re: Good Sub $1000 6 String

Not a blatant plug...just a brand you might
not have considered as ESP is best known
for HM/Rock guitars...but they make some
excellent basses and well worth a look.
The last 2 will be inside your budget...
Sam Ash has very good discounts on them.
* w w w . es pguitars . com /basses_deluxe.html
B1006 ($1499)
* w w w . es pguitars . com /basses_b.html
B406 ($949) and B206 ($417)

Clive Norris
Managing Director
Selectron (UK) Ltd
w w w . es pguitars.co.uk
w w w .skullstrings . com
w w w . es pshop.co.uk
w w w .mightymite . com
w w w .coreoneproduct . com
w w w .emgpickups.co.uk
w w w .tube-shop . com
w w w .whirlwindusa . com
"They laughed at Newton,
they laughed at Einstein,
but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
Carl Sagan
"plaintext" <plaintext@gmail . com > wrote in message
news:0adf388b-7d3d-429d-bc84-19dd7801c544@r9g2000prd.googlegroups . com ...
>I did a search and most of the posts that I found were old, so I
> thought I would throw this out for any current suggestions. I am
> strictly a hobby player. I play a little in the church that I attend.
> I play with some from friends as well as my wife. she plays guitar and
> keyboards. I play for the pure enjoyment of playing and loosing myself
> in the groove. I have a couple of 4 strings and a 5 string and I would
> like to move up to 6 string. I am looking for something less then
> $1000, but that is of good, not excellent, quality.
>
> Thanks,



Reply from: plaintext
Date: 25 Apr 2008, 21:16
Re: Good Sub $1000 6 String

Actually, the ESP D-6 and B-06 both caught my eye. The D-6 is
relatively new if I am not mistaken and I am having trouble finding
info/reviews.
Thank you.
On Apr 25, 1:03 pm, "fourstring" <fourstr...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Not a blatant plug...just a brand you might
> not have considered as ESP is best known
> for HM/Rock guitars...but they make some
> excellent basses and well worth a look.
> The last 2 will be inside your budget...
> Sam Ash has very good discounts on them. * w w w . es pguitars . com /basses deluxe.html
> B1006 ($1499) * w w w . es pguitars . com /basses b.html
> B406 ($949) and B206 ($417)
>
> Clive Norris
> Managing Director
> Selectron (UK) Ltdw w w . es pguitars.co.ukw w w .skullstrings . com w w w . es pshop.co.ukw w w .mightymite . com w w w .coreoneproduct . com w w w .emgpickups.co.ukw w w .tube-shop . com w w w .whirlwindusa . com
> "They laughed at Newton,
> they laughed at Einstein,
> but they also laughed at
> Bozo the Clown."
> Carl Sagan"plaintext" <plaint...@gmail . com > wrote in message
>
> news:0adf388b-7d3d-429d-bc84-19dd7801c544@r9g2000prd.googlegroups . com ...
>
> >I did a search and most of the posts that I found were old, so I
> > thought I would throw this out for any current suggestions. I am
> > strictly a hobby player. I play a little in the church that I attend.
> > I play with some from friends as well as my wife. she plays guitar and
> > keyboards. I play for the pure enjoyment of playing and loosing myself
> > in the groove. I have a couple of 4 strings and a 5 string and I would
> > like to move up to 6 string. I am looking for something less then
> > $1000, but that is of good, not excellent, quality.
>
> > Thanks,


Reply from: fourstring
Date: 25 Apr 2008, 21:41
Re: Good Sub $1000 6 String

The D-4 just won Bass of the Year sub £1000
(actually £499) as voted by Guitar and Bass mag.
I haven't played the D-6 so can't comment but
it should be very good.
As you say, very new which is why we don't
have any yet.
--
Clive Norris
Managing Director
Selectron (UK) Ltd
w w w . es pguitars.co.uk
w w w .skullstrings . com
w w w . es pshop.co.uk
w w w .mightymite . com
w w w .coreoneproduct . com
w w w .emgpickups.co.uk
w w w .tube-shop . com
w w w .whirlwindusa . com
"They laughed at Newton,
they laughed at Einstein,
but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
Carl Sagan
"plaintext" <plaintext@gmail . com > wrote in message
news:a3001e2c-e5ae-4136-aa21-1e6e7be2c328@m1g2000pre.googlegroups . com ...
> Actually, the ESP D-6 and B-06 both caught my eye. The D-6 is
> relatively new if I am not mistaken and I am having trouble finding
> info/reviews.
> Thank you.
> On Apr 25, 1:03 pm, "fourstring" <fourstr...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> Not a blatant plug...just a brand you might
>> not have considered as ESP is best known
>> for HM/Rock guitars...but they make some
>> excellent basses and well worth a look.
>> The last 2 will be inside your budget...
>> Sam Ash has very good discounts on
>> them. * w w w . es pguitars . com /basses_deluxe.html
>> B1006 ($1499) * w w w . es pguitars . com /basses_b.html
>> B406 ($949) and B206 ($417)
>>
>> Clive Norris
>> Managing Director
>> Selectron (UK)
>> Ltdw w w . es pguitars.co.ukw w w .skullstrings . com w w w . es pshop.co.ukw w w .mightymite . com w w w .coreoneproduct . com w w w .emgpickups.co.ukw w w .tube-shop . com w w w .whirlwindusa . com
>> "They laughed at Newton,
>> they laughed at Einstein,
>> but they also laughed at
>> Bozo the Clown."
>> Carl Sagan"plaintext" <plaint...@gmail . com > wrote in message
>>
>> news:0adf388b-7d3d-429d-bc84-19dd7801c544@r9g2000prd.googlegroups . com ...
>>
>> >I did a search and most of the posts that I found were old, so I
>> > thought I would throw this out for any current suggestions. I am
>> > strictly a hobby player. I play a little in the church that I attend.
>> > I play with some from friends as well as my wife. she plays guitar and
>> > keyboards. I play for the pure enjoyment of playing and loosing myself
>> > in the groove. I have a couple of 4 strings and a 5 string and I would
>> > like to move up to 6 string. I am looking for something less then
>> > $1000, but that is of good, not excellent, quality.
>>
>> > Thanks,
>



Reply from: Monkey Pi
Date: 25 Apr 2008, 21:43
Re: Good Sub $1000 6 String

fourstring wrote:
> The D-4 just won Bass of the Year sub £1000
> (actually £499) as voted by Guitar and Bass mag.
> I haven't played the D-6 so can't comment but
> it should be very good.
> As you say, very new which is why we don't
> have any yet.

Is £499 still less than $1000?
Not sure if I'm laughing or crying over that one........

Monkey Pi

Reply from: fourstring
Date: 25 Apr 2008, 22:45
Re: Good Sub $1000 6 String

£1=$1.98
It has been up to £1=$2.11
The weak $ is a pain and forcing up
manufacturing costs (amongst other pressures)
in the far off lands that now make most everything.
Watch out for price hikes across a wide
range of products.


--
Clive Norris
Managing Director
Selectron (UK) Ltd
w w w . es pguitars.co.uk
w w w .skullstrings . com
w w w . es pshop.co.uk
w w w .mightymite . com
w w w .coreoneproduct . com
w w w .emgpickups.co.uk
w w w .tube-shop . com
w w w .whirlwindusa . com
"They laughed at Newton,
they laughed at Einstein,
but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
Carl Sagan
"Monkey Pi" <MonkeyPi@MonkeyMonkeyMonkey . com > wrote in message
news:me6dnZgEcP2CqI_VnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@localnet...
> fourstring wrote:
>> The D-4 just won Bass of the Year sub £1000
>> (actually £499) as voted by Guitar and Bass mag.
>> I haven't played the D-6 so can't comment but
>> it should be very good.
>> As you say, very new which is why we don't
>> have any yet.
>
> Is £499 still less than $1000?
> Not sure if I'm laughing or crying over that one........
>
> Monkey Pi



Reply from: Benj
Date: 26 Apr 2008, 06:38
Re: Good Sub $1000 6 String

On Apr 25, 1:44 pm, plaintext <plaint...@gmail . com > wrote:
> I did a search and most of the posts that I found were old, so I
> thought I would throw this out for any current suggestions. I am
> strictly a hobby player. I play a little in the church that I attend.
> I play with some from friends as well as my wife. she plays guitar and
> keyboards. I play for the pure enjoyment of playing and loosing myself
> in the groove. I have a couple of 4 strings and a 5 string and I would
> like to move up to 6 string. I am looking for something less then
> $1000, but that is of good, not excellent, quality.

I'm glad you are only looking for "good" rather than "excellent"
quality so I won't tell you how to get an "excellent" 6 string under
$1000. And since you didn't tell us where you are located I'll have to
only be generic in advice.

There are MANY decent 6 string basses out there in all low price
ranges. Some of my favorite well known brands are Ibanez, Yamaha, and
Schecter. Terrific bargains are the Rogue at $200 or better the Dean
Edge Q6 at double that. For a high end bass I noticed that Sam Ash
had Tune 6 strings on sale under $1000 (they are sort of Alembic
clones... Alembic 6 strings are DEFINITELY NOT under $1000!) Other
low price sources are Rondo music and other import brands. Time was
when low cost 6 strings were much more rare than now. There's a pretty
good choice out there.

Some 6 string pointers. 35" scale. Makes the B string really sound
good and not be floppy! Zero difference in playing feel from 34"
scale. Big problem is getting longer strings (depends on the bass;
some need them or need them for a few notes depending on tuner
positions) which are harder to get locally and you may have to order
them special or on the internet. Across the neck scales. Learn them.
There is a terrific range of notes at any position Learn the scale
patterns and how they move around and can start on any fret or string.
(See pook "power tools for 4,5, and 6 string bass) Wide neck. The 6
string neck is WIDE! Keep your thumb on the back of the neck and
practice! Unlike a 5 string which quickly feels good it took me a
couple of months to really get comfy with the width of a 6 string
neck. For fun. Go find a book of chords for 6 string bass that you
play high up on the neck. lastly, be aware that if you move into the
higher pitch regions the bass drive to the groove will tend to "drop
out". So be musically aware when expanding to a 6 string. Better to
have the high notes and not use them than to need them and not have
them is my view.

Go choose wisely!

PS. OK I will tell you how to get an excellent bass for under $1000.
Buy used. How about this: Ken Smith $300 plus $200 to luthier to fix
it up. Or $700 for Modulus that only needed a D & C (dustin' and
cleanin'). Keep your eyes OPEN they are out there but not all the
time. So do you feel lucky?


Reply from: plaintext
Date: 26 Apr 2008, 17:54
Re: Good Sub $1000 6 String

On Apr 25, 10:38 pm, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet . net > wrote:
> On Apr 25, 1:44 pm, plaintext <plaint...@gmail . com > wrote:
>

> I'm glad you are only looking for "good" rather than "excellent"
> quality so I won't tell you how to get an "excellent" 6 string under
> $1000. And since you didn't tell us where you are located I'll have to
> only be generic in advice.

I live in rural Idaho USA which makes it very difficult to shop and
get any hands on time with an instrument.
The level of knowledge is also a bit lacking. I was in a shop in a
town about 100 miles away. The salesperson told me that 6 string
basses were a fad and everyone was using 5 strings these days. I had
no clue how to respond.

> There are MANY decent 6 string basses out there in all low price
> ranges. Some of my favorite well known brands are Ibanez, Yamaha, and
> Schecter. Terrific bargains are the Rogue at $200 or better the Dean
> Edge Q6 at double that. For a high end bass I noticed that Sam Ash
> had Tune 6 strings on sale under $1000 (they are sort of Alembic
> clones... Alembic 6 strings are DEFINITELY NOT under $1000!) Other
> low price sources are Rondo music and other import brands. Time was
> when low cost 6 strings were much more rare than now. There's a pretty
> good choice out there.


> Some 6 string pointers. 35" scale. Makes the B string really sound
> good and not be floppy! Zero difference in playing feel from 34"
> scale. Big problem is getting longer strings (depends on the bass;
> some need them or need them for a few notes depending on tuner
> positions) which are harder to get locally and you may have to order
> them special or on the internet. Across the neck scales. Learn them.
> There is a terrific range of notes at any position Learn the scale
> patterns and how they move around and can start on any fret or string.
> (See pook "power tools for 4,5, and 6 string bass) Wide neck. The 6
> string neck is WIDE! Keep your thumb on the back of the neck and
> practice! Unlike a 5 string which quickly feels good it took me a
> couple of months to really get comfy with the width of a 6 string
> neck. For fun. Go find a book of chords for 6 string bass that you
> play high up on the neck. lastly, be aware that if you move into the
> higher pitch regions the bass drive to the groove will tend to "drop
> out". So be musically aware when expanding to a 6 string. Better to
> have the high notes and not use them than to need them and not have
> them is my view.

Good advice. Thank you.

> Go choose wisely!
>
> PS. OK I will tell you how to get an excellent bass for under $1000.
> Buy used. How about this: Ken Smith $300 plus $200 to luthier to fix
> it up. Or $700 for Modulus that only needed a D & C (dustin' and
> cleanin'). Keep your eyes OPEN they are out there but not all the
> time. So do you feel lucky?

I am a regular Ebay window shopper :-)

Reply from: Benj
Date: 26 Apr 2008, 20:00
Re: Good Sub $1000 6 String

On Apr 26, 11:54 am, plaintext <plaint...@gmail . com > wrote:

> I live in rural Idaho USA which makes it very difficult to shop and
> get any hands on time with an instrument.
> The level of knowledge is also a bit lacking. I was in a shop in a
> town about 100 miles away. The salesperson told me that 6 string
> basses were a fad and everyone was using 5 strings these days. I had
> no clue how to respond.

I guess then your first question to yourself would have to be "why do
I want a 6 string bass?"

The salesman is half correct. "everyone" playing a "real" bass [all
"real" basses have 5 or more strings! : ] is usually playing a 5
string bass. The reasons are extended low notes for "drop tuning" and
playing with horns (Eb) and better range of notes ACROSS the neck at a
given position. But he is wrong saying 6 string basses are a "fad".
The same ideas work there. You get a MUCH wider range of notes across
the neck at a given position plus you have an extended high range
(especially with 24 frets). Therefore the "need" for a 6 string bass
comes down to the "need" for that extended high end range. This
usually involves two things: Bass solos and/or chords. As you can see
if you play jazz both these things become very important (or could be
important depending on your musical taste.) Bass solos can be
important for blues too, but I've been nearly run out of a blues jam
for showing with a 6 string! It's all about "look" and the fact that
it makes sense for solos and chords [if bass chords are too low
pitched they sound very muddy] didn't seem to matter to everyone
else!

So these days my bottom line is I pretty much stick to 5 strings
because I'm not using the upper extended range, I DO need the lower
extended range and people in general don't seem to notice the
difference between a 4 and 5 string bass the way they notice a 6
string bass. But I think the ability to understand a 6 string was for
me a HUGE plus in understanding the right way to play a 5 string. And
knowing your way around a 6 string is a good skill to take a few
months to develop. Hey, it's MUSIC and if extended upper bass range
fits what you are doing then why not use it? Yes the "look" thing is
there, but usually my rule is it's better to have the range and not
use it than to need it and not have it! Besides, who knows at your
church the 6-string "look" may be the one that makes you stand out the
way you want?

So, there is no "Fad" here, but there is the question if these things
are of interest to you? If so grab one of those decent low priced 6
string basses (for brand new and sight-unseen I'd probably opt for
something from Rondo (which I've had great luck with) or the Dean (MF)
(Saw one a guy brought in to the local guitar shop.. . it was KILLER for
the cash!) and have at it. You won't be sorry for learning what a 6
string is all about even if you tend to generally stick with your 5s
as a practical matter for most music.

Benj


Reply from: plaintext
Date: 27 Apr 2008, 02:50
Re: Good Sub $1000 6 String

Thank you again for some good advice and insights. There are two
points for me as far wanting to add a 6 string to my collection.
1. My wife plays keyboard/piano and is very proficient at it. I am a
hobby player and she is a musician. She is all over all 88 of those
keys and I would like to be able to keep up, stay with, and explore.
2. Jazz, soloing, and experimentation all are very interesting to me.
this is my hobby, my down time, my decompression. I work in a hospital
and most days are very stressful and the bass allows me to switch
gears and change my focus.

The Dean basses are fmore familiar to me as I know some one with a 4
string, but I am not familiar with the Douglas or Brice brands that
Rondo Music sells. Sounds like I need to to some more research on
those as well.

On Apr 26, 12:00 pm, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet . net > wrote:
> On Apr 26, 11:54 am, plaintext <plaint...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> > I live in rural Idaho USA which makes it very difficult to shop and
> > get any hands on time with an instrument.
> > The level of knowledge is also a bit lacking. I was in a shop in a
> > town about 100 miles away. The salesperson told me that 6 string
> > basses were a fad and everyone was using 5 strings these days. I had
> > no clue how to respond.
>
> I guess then your first question to yourself would have to be "why do
> I want a 6 string bass?"
>
> The salesman is half correct. "everyone" playing a "real" bass [all
> "real" basses have 5 or more strings! : ] is usually playing a 5
> string bass. The reasons are extended low notes for "drop tuning" and
> playing with horns (Eb) and better range of notes ACROSS the neck at a
> given position. But he is wrong saying 6 string basses are a "fad".
> The same ideas work there. You get a MUCH wider range of notes across
> the neck at a given position plus you have an extended high range
> (especially with 24 frets). Therefore the "need" for a 6 string bass
> comes down to the "need" for that extended high end range. This
> usually involves two things: Bass solos and/or chords. As you can see
> if you play jazz both these things become very important (or could be
> important depending on your musical taste.) Bass solos can be
> important for blues too, but I've been nearly run out of a blues jam
> for showing with a 6 string! It's all about "look" and the fact that
> it makes sense for solos and chords [if bass chords are too low
> pitched they sound very muddy] didn't seem to matter to everyone
> else!
>
> So these days my bottom line is I pretty much stick to 5 strings
> because I'm not using the upper extended range, I DO need the lower
> extended range and people in general don't seem to notice the
> difference between a 4 and 5 string bass the way they notice a 6
> string bass. But I think the ability to understand a 6 string was for
> me a HUGE plus in understanding the right way to play a 5 string. And
> knowing your way around a 6 string is a good skill to take a few
> months to develop. Hey, it's MUSIC and if extended upper bass range
> fits what you are doing then why not use it? Yes the "look" thing is
> there, but usually my rule is it's better to have the range and not
> use it than to need it and not have it! Besides, who knows at your
> church the 6-string "look" may be the one that makes you stand out the
> way you want?
>
> So, there is no "Fad" here, but there is the question if these things
> are of interest to you? If so grab one of those decent low priced 6
> string basses (for brand new and sight-unseen I'd probably opt for
> something from Rondo (which I've had great luck with) or the Dean (MF)
> (Saw one a guy brought in to the local guitar shop.. . it was KILLER for
> the cash!) and have at it. You won't be sorry for learning what a 6
> string is all about even if you tend to generally stick with your 5s
> as a practical matter for most music.
>
> Benj



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