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pre-purchase amp-cab question

Reply from: dew
Date: 26 Apr 2008, 18:52
pre-purchase amp-cab question

Getting close to the first gig with the band I joined a few months back,
which is the milestone I set for finally upgrading my gear. As all I've ever
owned, both guitar- and bass-wise, have been combo units, my knowledge of
separate amps/cabs isn't what it should be, so I have a potentially
half-witted question for the panel of experts here...

Barring coming across any can't-pass-up deals, I've long known what head I'm
getting, a G-K with 480W @ 4 ohms. The band does reasonably heavy stuff, so
I'm going with a 4x10 and 1x15 cab configuration to cover most potential
needs. I have two specific cabs in mind, both rated 300W/8Ohms. The G-K puts
out 320W @ 8 ohms, so if the situation warrants it (like rehearsals), I
think I can reasonably use either cab by itself without the likelihood of
damaging it (and I'm not likely to run it at full volume under such
circumstances anyway). When running both cabs, by splitting the power
between them, I'll be putting 240W into each one. My potentially foolish
question is, since I'll probably be running below full power as often as
not, are these cabs too much with a 300W rating? If I'm only running half
the amp's available power into them, will that be enough juice to still get
a good sound from those speakers, or should I consider getting a lower-rated
set of cabs, something like 200W apiece?

As always, thanks to all for sharing their experience,

David



Reply from: BW
Date: 26 Apr 2008, 19:46
Re: pre-purchase amp-cab question

On Apr 26, 12:52 pm, "dew" <david.warde...@SPAMtwobelieve . com > wrote:
> Getting close to the first gig with the band I joined a few months back,
> which is the milestone I set for finally upgrading my gear. As all I've ever
> owned, both guitar- and bass-wise, have been combo units, my knowledge of
> separate amps/cabs isn't what it should be, so I have a potentially
> half-witted question for the panel of experts here...
>
> Barring coming across any can't-pass-up deals, I've long known what head I'm
> getting, a G-K with 480W @ 4 ohms. The band does reasonably heavy stuff, so
> I'm going with a 4x10 and 1x15 cab configuration to cover most potential
> needs. I have two specific cabs in mind, both rated 300W/8Ohms. The G-K puts
> out 320W @ 8 ohms, so if the situation warrants it (like rehearsals), I
> think I can reasonably use either cab by itself without the likelihood of
> damaging it (and I'm not likely to run it at full volume under such
> circumstances anyway). When running both cabs, by splitting the power
> between them, I'll be putting 240W into each one. My potentially foolish
> question is, since I'll probably be running below full power as often as
> not, are these cabs too much with a 300W rating? If I'm only running half
> the amp's available power into them, will that be enough juice to still get
> a good sound from those speakers, or should I consider getting a lower-rated
> set of cabs, something like 200W apiece?
>
> As always, thanks to all for sharing their experience,
>
> David

I think your sound'll be fine. Not sure about your ears or back, but
your rig should handle it.

Reply from: Todd H.
Date: 26 Apr 2008, 21:43
Re: pre-purchase amp-cab question

"dew" <david.warderNO@SPAMtwobelieve . com > writes:

> Getting close to the first gig with the band I joined a few months back,
> which is the milestone I set for finally upgrading my gear. As all I've ever
> owned, both guitar- and bass-wise, have been combo units, my knowledge of
> separate amps/cabs isn't what it should be, so I have a potentially
> half-witted question for the panel of experts here...
>
> Barring coming across any can't-pass-up deals, I've long known what head I'm
> getting, a G-K with 480W @ 4 ohms.

700RB? Good choice. 1001RB will give you a little more power.

> The band does reasonably heavy stuff, so I'm going with a 4x10 and
> 1x15 cab configuration to cover most potential needs. I have two
> specific cabs in mind, both rated 300W/8Ohms. The G-K puts out 320W
> @ 8 ohms, so if the situation warrants it (like rehearsals), I think
> I can reasonably use either cab by itself without the likelihood of
> damaging it (and I'm not likely to run it at full volume under such
> circumstances anyway). When running both cabs, by splitting the
> power between them, I'll be putting 240W into each one. My
> potentially foolish question is, since I'll probably be running
> below full power as often as not, are these cabs too much with a
> 300W rating?

Quite unlikely.

> If I'm only running half the amp's available power into them, will
> that be enough juice to still get a good sound from those speakers,
> or should I consider getting a lower-rated set of cabs, something
> like 200W apiece?

It'll be fine. Just use your ears and don't run the amp into audible
ugly distortion and you'll be very unlikely to ever damage your
speakers. As to how it sounds, I'd advise agasinst buying speaker
cabs without audititioning them first through your bass, and your
desired head in at least a rehearsal situation. Guitar Center's
return policy can save you from a mistake here.

What speakers are you considering?

I knew from hearing my buddy's rig, and borrowing it once for my first
band on bass (after years of drumming in bands) I knew that his cabs
were what a I wanted for myself. They happened to be Eden David
series stuff. I bought those first, then went on a hunt for heads. I
bought, used in a rehearsal or show, and returned 5 heads before
keeping the one that hit the sound and pricepoint I wanted (GK
1001RB). And I have no regrets and quite enjoy my rig's sound.

Best Regards,
--
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Reply from: dew
Date: 27 Apr 2008, 06:52
Re: pre-purchase amp-cab question

Yep, 700RB. First time I ever played through one I instantly recognized it
as the exact sound I wanted. The 1001 would be nice but it's more expensive
and the 700 is already popping a few of the seams on my budget.

I never see much in this group one way or another about the brand of cabs
I'm looking at, so I don't know if they'll be ridiculed or given a brief
nod. The 'upper level' (read: expensive) stuff such as Eden and Ampeg are
not even being contemplated, considering how much (read: little) I have to
spend. Of the stuff I've played through in the lower-level tier (Fender,
SWR, Peavey, etc), to me the Hartke's are easily the best-sounding ones I've
heard, so I'm leaning toward them. I'm stone-cold set on the G-K, but am
open to suggestions on cabs. I like your advice, I may just wait till I get
the head, then try it out with a number of cabs till I find the ones that
sound best.

I've been watching both e-bay and craigslist regularly over the past month
or more, and I haven't seen any good deals on anything on either site. I not
only don't mind buying used, I've always preferred buying that way - quality
gear at affordable prices. Just seems like instruments are going the way of
everything else in the world these days - they are no longer 'used',
nowadays they're 'vintage', and people want more for stuff that's over two
years old than when it was brand new. In the mid-80's I came across a
beautiful '71 Strat in a music store. I sat down and played it for a few
minutes, asked the owner about it, and he said ah heck, the thing's almost
fifteen years old, give me $200 for it and it's yours. About a month ago a
guitar player I was playing with said that same guitar today would probably
go for around $3K!!! I can't even afford used instruments any more!

DW


"Todd H." <bmiawmb@toddh . net > wrote in message
news:84iqy4pflf@news.giganews . com ...
> "dew" <david.warderNO@SPAMtwobelieve . com > writes:
>
>> Getting close to the first gig with the band I joined a few months back,
>> which is the milestone I set for finally upgrading my gear. As all I've
>> ever
>> owned, both guitar- and bass-wise, have been combo units, my knowledge of
>> separate amps/cabs isn't what it should be, so I have a potentially
>> half-witted question for the panel of experts here...
>>
>> Barring coming across any can't-pass-up deals, I've long known what head
>> I'm
>> getting, a G-K with 480W @ 4 ohms.
>
> 700RB? Good choice. 1001RB will give you a little more power.
>
>> The band does reasonably heavy stuff, so I'm going with a 4x10 and
>> 1x15 cab configuration to cover most potential needs. I have two
>> specific cabs in mind, both rated 300W/8Ohms. The G-K puts out 320W
>> @ 8 ohms, so if the situation warrants it (like rehearsals), I think
>> I can reasonably use either cab by itself without the likelihood of
>> damaging it (and I'm not likely to run it at full volume under such
>> circumstances anyway). When running both cabs, by splitting the
>> power between them, I'll be putting 240W into each one. My
>> potentially foolish question is, since I'll probably be running
>> below full power as often as not, are these cabs too much with a
>> 300W rating?
>
> Quite unlikely.
>
>> If I'm only running half the amp's available power into them, will
>> that be enough juice to still get a good sound from those speakers,
>> or should I consider getting a lower-rated set of cabs, something
>> like 200W apiece?
>
> It'll be fine. Just use your ears and don't run the amp into audible
> ugly distortion and you'll be very unlikely to ever damage your
> speakers. As to how it sounds, I'd advise agasinst buying speaker
> cabs without audititioning them first through your bass, and your
> desired head in at least a rehearsal situation. Guitar Center's
> return policy can save you from a mistake here.
>
> What speakers are you considering?
>
> I knew from hearing my buddy's rig, and borrowing it once for my first
> band on bass (after years of drumming in bands) I knew that his cabs
> were what a I wanted for myself. They happened to be Eden David
> series stuff. I bought those first, then went on a hunt for heads. I
> bought, used in a rehearsal or show, and returned 5 heads before
> keeping the one that hit the sound and pricepoint I wanted (GK
> 1001RB). And I have no regrets and quite enjoy my rig's sound.
>
> Best Regards,
> --
> /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Todd H
> \ / | * w w w .toddh . net /
> X Promoting good netiquette |
> / \ * w w w .toddh . net /netiquette/ | * myspace . com /bmiawmb



Reply from: Derek Tearne
Date: 28 Apr 2008, 03:25
Re: pre-purchase amp-cab question

dew <david.warderNO@SPAMtwobelieve . com > wrote:

> Of the stuff I've played through in the lower-level tier (Fender,
> SWR, Peavey, etc), to me the Hartke's are easily the best-sounding ones I've
> heard, so I'm leaning toward them.

Loads of people grumble about aluminium coned speakers - so I'll wager
you'll get some flak for that.

> In the mid-80's I came across a
> beautiful '71 Strat in a music store. I sat down and played it for a few
> minutes, asked the owner about it, and he said ah heck, the thing's almost
> fifteen years old, give me $200 for it and it's yours. About a month ago a
> guitar player I was playing with said that same guitar today would probably
> go for around $3K!!! I can't even afford used instruments any more!

Well, you can't afford mint condition 35 year old instruments these
days, but then again, you couldn't have afforded them 20 years ago
either. I remember seeing an early 1960's Fender Precision in a shop in
the mid 1980's and being astonished at the price - especially as it was
in far from mint condition.

You can still buy ten year old basses for not much money. The big
difference between now and the mid 1980's is that the new stuff is,
relatively, cheap as chips - or at least you can get new affordable
instruments and equipment that is every but as good as mid range or
better stuff from the 1980's for less than the equivalent inflation
converted entry level price. In 1977 I bought my first bass guitar and
amplifier for 30 pounds - the bass, a solid bodied hofner was probably
15 years old. If I was starting out now I could get a *brand new*
Squier, Behringer or Ibanez 'starter pack' for somewhere between 100 and
140 pounds.

So you don't *need* to buy used equipment any more, unless it's
something unusual or unique.


--
Derek Tearne - derek@url.co.nz
Many Hands - Trans Cultural Music from Aotearoa/New Zealand
* w w w .manyhands.co.nz/


Reply from: Todd H.
Date: 28 Apr 2008, 12:39
Re: pre-purchase amp-cab question

"dew" <david.warderNO@SPAMtwobelieve . com > writes:

> Yep, 700RB. First time I ever played through one I instantly recognized it
> as the exact sound I wanted. The 1001 would be nice but it's more expensive
> and the 700 is already popping a few of the seams on my budget.

Perfectly reasonable. My nephew just got a 700 and plays in a hard
rockin band and it's performing wonderfully for him.

> I never see much in this group one way or another about the brand of cabs
> I'm looking at, so I don't know if they'll be ridiculed or given a brief
> nod. The 'upper level' (read: expensive) stuff such as Eden and Ampeg are
> not even being contemplated, considering how much (read: little) I have to
> spend. Of the stuff I've played through in the lower-level tier (Fender,
> SWR, Peavey, etc), to me the Hartke's are easily the best-sounding ones I've
> heard, so I'm leaning toward them.

Hey, if yer ear likes em, go for it. I have to admit to not having
auditioned a GK cab for over 10 years. One bassist I play with though
has a 1x15 that sounds quite nice though. So long as you've tried
them and not just buying something based on what ads you saw in Bass
Player or something (and some people do this actually--oy) you wont'
get any ridicule from me. Also, no apologies for having a budget like
everyone else here! My top cab yeah is an Eden, but my 1x15 is an old
Peavey BX BW I bought used for $100 and replaced the black widow
basket on when more money came in.

Enjoy the hunt!

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Reply from: Todd H.
Date: 28 Apr 2008, 12:48
Re: pre-purchase amp-cab question

bmiawmb@toddh . net (Todd H.) writes:

> "dew" <david.warderNO@SPAMtwobelieve . com > writes:
>
>> Yep, 700RB. First time I ever played through one I instantly recognized it
>> as the exact sound I wanted. The 1001 would be nice but it's more expensive
>> and the 700 is already popping a few of the seams on my budget.
>
> Perfectly reasonable. My nephew just got a 700 and plays in a hard
> rockin band and it's performing wonderfully for him.
>
>> I never see much in this group one way or another about the brand of cabs
>> I'm looking at, so I don't know if they'll be ridiculed or given a brief
>> nod. The 'upper level' (read: expensive) stuff such as Eden and Ampeg are
>> not even being contemplated, considering how much (read: little) I have to
>> spend. Of the stuff I've played through in the lower-level tier (Fender,
>> SWR, Peavey, etc), to me the Hartke's are easily the best-sounding ones I've
>> heard, so I'm leaning toward them.
>
> Hey, if yer ear likes em, go for it. I have to admit to not having
> auditioned a GK

doh. I meant to type Hartke here.

> cab for over 10 years. One bassist I play with though
> has a

Hartke, I think paper coned?

> 1x15 that sounds quite nice though. So long as you've tried
> them and not just buying something based on what ads you saw in Bass
> Player or something (and some people do this actually--oy) you wont'
> get any ridicule from me. Also, no apologies for having a budget like
> everyone else here! My top cab yeah is an Eden, but my 1x15 is an old
> Peavey BX BW I bought used for $100 and replaced the black widow
> basket on when more money came in.
>
> Enjoy the hunt!
>
> --
> /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Todd H
> \ / | * w w w .toddh . net /
> X Promoting good netiquette |
> / \ * w w w .toddh . net /netiquette/ | * myspace . com /bmiawmb

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