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Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers

Reply from: John Bigboote
Date: 01 May 2008, 09:34
Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers

My current band is on their second singer since I joined in November.
Like their last, this one has never performed with a band before, but
was very into karaoke, and thought to give the band thing a shot. A
relatively decent singer.

The last one hated hauling gear to and from gigs, and kept a music
stand with lyrics in front of him for most songs, even if he didn't
really need them. Quit because the whole band thing felt too much like
work.

This one also can't seem to learn lyrics, is very slow learning the
songs (even the ones I thought *everyone* knew by heart), and
frequently has trouble singing in time with the band -- he's often
well in front of the beat. My theory is that he's used to seeing
scrolling words timed to be on screen a beat before the music.

To cap it off, he's got (IMHO) godawful taste in music. Tonight he
honestly suggested covering songs by both Neil Diamond (apparently
last night was Neil Diamond night on American Idol, which he watches
religiously, and which I've never seen) and -- wait for it -- Barry
Manilow.

Next time I'm in a situation where we have to find a new singer, I'm
going to specify that karaoke wanks need not apply. But I imagine
that, with the success of American Idol, the market is permanently
flooded with every knucklehead who thinks being a karaoke weekend
warrior is all the training you need to be a rock 'n' roll star.

</rant>

-jb

Reply from: js
Date: 01 May 2008, 10:04
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers

Happened to eat dinner recently at a place that USED to have bands, but now
does only karejoke. We just happened to be sitting in the section where the
"pros' were.

Man, that's a real "winner's circle" there. I haven't seen that many freaks
since I rode the City Bus route that had the Buffalo Psychiatric Center as
it's main stop.

Why do these people think they should be on a stage in front of people, much
less sing?



"John Bigboote" <Bigboote.YPS@gmail . com > wrote in message
news:c0c29b4a-7ce2-4994-853f-06dc6d949b8d@z24g2000prf.googlegroups . com ...
> My current band is on their second singer since I joined in November.
> Like their last, this one has never performed with a band before, but
> was very into karaoke, and thought to give the band thing a shot. A
> relatively decent singer.
>
> The last one hated hauling gear to and from gigs, and kept a music
> stand with lyrics in front of him for most songs, even if he didn't
> really need them. Quit because the whole band thing felt too much like
> work.
>
> This one also can't seem to learn lyrics, is very slow learning the
> songs (even the ones I thought *everyone* knew by heart), and
> frequently has trouble singing in time with the band -- he's often
> well in front of the beat. My theory is that he's used to seeing
> scrolling words timed to be on screen a beat before the music.
>
> To cap it off, he's got (IMHO) godawful taste in music. Tonight he
> honestly suggested covering songs by both Neil Diamond (apparently
> last night was Neil Diamond night on American Idol, which he watches
> religiously, and which I've never seen) and -- wait for it -- Barry
> Manilow.
>
> Next time I'm in a situation where we have to find a new singer, I'm
> going to specify that karaoke wanks need not apply. But I imagine
> that, with the success of American Idol, the market is permanently
> flooded with every knucklehead who thinks being a karaoke weekend
> warrior is all the training you need to be a rock 'n' roll star.
>
> </rant>
>
> -jb



Reply from: Les Cargill
Date: 02 May 2008, 01:46
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers

js wrote:
> Happened to eat dinner recently at a place that USED to have bands, but now
> does only karejoke. We just happened to be sitting in the section where the
> "pros' were.
>
> Man, that's a real "winner's circle" there. I haven't seen that many freaks
> since I rode the City Bus route that had the Buffalo Psychiatric Center as
> it's main stop.
>
> Why do these people think they should be on a stage in front of people, much
> less sing?
>
>

It's all part of the "Conspiracy of Suck." If you don't suck right along
with 'em, you Are Not To Be Trusted.

When stuck in something like that, narrate to yourself as if you were
The Narrator from "Fight Club".

Have four beers, then start doing it out loud. Mention Ayn Rand - that's
always good for a laugh.

--
Les Cargill

<snip>

Reply from: iarwain
Date: 01 May 2008, 12:56
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers

>Tonight he honestly suggested covering songs by both Neil Diamond

Wow, what is it about Neil Diamond that seems to stir up so much hate
in a lot of people? I'm not a fan but he has some decent songs. I
wouldn't put him in the same breath as Barry Manilow, which is just a
different style of music.

The funny thing is if your band starts getting some recognition, the
labels will sign your karaoke singer as a star single act and leave
the rest of you in the dust.

Reply from: The Bishop
Date: 01 May 2008, 19:58
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers

On May 1, 6:56 am, iarwain <iarwai...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> >Tonight he honestly suggested covering songs by both Neil Diamond
>
> Wow, what is it about Neil Diamond that seems to stir up so much hate
> in a lot of people?  I'm not a fan but he has some decent songs.  I
> wouldn't put him in the same breath as Barry Manilow, which is just a
> different style of music.
>
> The funny thing is if your band starts getting some recognition, the
> labels will sign your karaoke singer as a star single act and leave
> the rest of you in the dust.

I worked the NYU commencement one year, and Neil Diamond was the guest
speaker. He was cool! He knew better, and told the kids this, than to
try to make a speech. Most of his success, he said, came from lucky
breaks and treating people nicely and enjoying the good karma that
resulted. So who was he to lecture them? Except to say that if you're
doing something you enjoy, it helps you toward success because
interest equals energy, and energy equals industry. "But even that is
just common sense, right?" he asked, getting a good laugh.

So he then just strapped on an acoustic, using the podium mike for the
guitar and his voice, and led the whole Washington Square Park crowd
in a rousing "Hang On Sloopy" and then "Louie Louie," which the NYU
band picked up on, and it got pretty raucous for a commencement,
dancing in the aisles in caps and gowns and everything.

Of course, if he had whipped out "Love on the roxxxxxx...," the same
reaction would not have been forthcoming.

Reply from: Les Cargill
Date: 02 May 2008, 01:48
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers

iarwain wrote:
>> Tonight he honestly suggested covering songs by both Neil Diamond
>
> Wow, what is it about Neil Diamond that seems to stir up so much hate
> in a lot of people? I'm not a fan but he has some decent songs. I
> wouldn't put him in the same breath as Barry Manilow, which is just a
> different style of music.
>

Barry Manilow wrote "You Deserve A Break Today", and that was
worth ... I have no earthly idea how much. It's like the second
best catchphrase after "tastes great, less filling."


It's like getting an award for "Best guard at Auschwitz", but
excellence... is still ... excellence.

> The funny thing is if your band starts getting some recognition, the
> labels will sign your karaoke singer as a star single act and leave
> the rest of you in the dust.

That is why there is heroin.

--
Les Cargill

Reply from: Nick Cassimatis
Date: 01 May 2008, 14:28
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers

"John Bigboote" <Bigboote.YPS@gmail . com > wrote in message
news:c0c29b4a-7ce2-4994-853f-06dc6d949b8d@z24g2000prf.googlegroups . com ...
> My current band is on their second singer since I joined in November.
> Like their last, this one has never performed with a band before, but
> was very into karaoke, and thought to give the band thing a shot. A
> relatively decent singer.
>
> The last one hated hauling gear to and from gigs, and kept a music
> stand with lyrics in front of him for most songs, even if he didn't
> really need them. Quit because the whole band thing felt too much like
> work.
>
> This one also can't seem to learn lyrics, is very slow learning the
> songs (even the ones I thought *everyone* knew by heart), and
> frequently has trouble singing in time with the band -- he's often
> well in front of the beat. My theory is that he's used to seeing
> scrolling words timed to be on screen a beat before the music.
>
> To cap it off, he's got (IMHO) godawful taste in music. Tonight he
> honestly suggested covering songs by both Neil Diamond (apparently
> last night was Neil Diamond night on American Idol, which he watches
> religiously, and which I've never seen) and -- wait for it -- Barry
> Manilow.
>
> Next time I'm in a situation where we have to find a new singer, I'm
> going to specify that karaoke wanks need not apply. But I imagine
> that, with the success of American Idol, the market is permanently
> flooded with every knucklehead who thinks being a karaoke weekend
> warrior is all the training you need to be a rock 'n' roll star.
>
> </rant>
>
> -jb

There's one guy on Idol - David Cook - has some pretty good arrangements to
his stuff. He'd do well to lose, so he doesn't end up in that "control
everything you do" contract they guarantee the winner. He did a version of
Hello (Lionel Ritchie) that even my wife liked - and that's one of the songs
she'll turn off the radio for.

--
Nick


Reply from: iarwain
Date: 01 May 2008, 16:11
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers

>He did a version of Hello (Lionel Ritchie) that even my wife liked

That was based on the Incubus arrangement.


Reply from: Nick Cassimatis
Date: 01 May 2008, 21:55
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers

"iarwain" <iarwain 8@hotmail . com > wrote in message
news:230d591b-3608-4a92-9d64-31838f2ab967@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups . com ...
>>He did a version of Hello (Lionel Ritchie) that even my wife liked
>
> That was based on the Incubus arrangement.
>

And his version of "Billy Jean" was from Chris Cornell's version, which was
great. He's trying to do things the way that fit him, rather than the other
David singing everything just like it was written. Hearing some
originality, even if it's borrowed, on American Idol, isn't very common.
--
Nick


Reply from: Glenn Dowdy
Date: 01 May 2008, 22:26
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers


"Nick Cassimatis" <nickpc0spam@nc.rr . com > wrote in message
news:481a201f$0$20187$4c368faf@roadrunner . com ...
>
> Hearing some originality, even if it's borrowed,

Phrase of the week.

Glenn D.



Reply from: TS
Date: 01 May 2008, 18:33
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers

On 1 May, 02:34, John Bigboote <Bigboote....@gmail . com > wrote:
> My current band is on their second singer since I joined in November.
> Like their last, this one has never performed with a band before, but
> was very into karaoke, and thought to give the band thing a shot. A
> relatively decent singer.
>
> The last one hated hauling gear to and from gigs, and kept a music
> stand with lyrics in front of him for most songs, even if he didn't
> really need them. Quit because the whole band thing felt too much like
> work.
>
> This one also can't seem to learn lyrics, is very slow learning the
> songs (even the ones I thought *everyone* knew by heart), and
> frequently has trouble singing in time with the band -- he's often
> well in front of the beat. My theory is that he's used to seeing
> scrolling words timed to be on screen a beat before the music.
>
> To cap it off, he's got (IMHO) godawful taste in music. Tonight he
> honestly suggested covering songs by both Neil Diamond (apparently
> last night was Neil Diamond night on American Idol, which he watches
> religiously, and which I've never seen) and -- wait for it -- Barry
> Manilow.
>
> Next time I'm in a situation where we have to find a new singer, I'm
> going to specify that karaoke wanks need not apply. But I imagine
> that, with the success of American Idol, the market is permanently
> flooded with every knucklehead who thinks being a karaoke weekend
> warrior is all the training you need to be a rock 'n' roll star.
>
> </rant>
>
> -jb

LOL,
You might be surprised. I just heard a recording of Dizzy Gillespie
singing Time on My Hands after delivering a very nice trumpet non-
bebob trumpet solo on the radio this morning. Had to be very early in
his career. Anyway he sang way out of tune most of the time.
Horrible. He was in tune on the trumpet as far as I could tell.
Just goes to show that circumstances alter cases and you might find a
karaoke singer who is a gem.
TS


Reply from: coreybenson
Date: 01 May 2008, 18:41
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers

On May 1, 11:33 am, TS <tshaw7...@sbcglobal . net > wrote:
> On 1 May, 02:34, John Bigboote <Bigboote....@gmail . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > My current band is on their second singer since I joined in November.
> > Like their last, this one has never performed with a band before, but
> > was very into karaoke, and thought to give the band thing a shot. A
> > relatively decent singer.
>
> > The last one hated hauling gear to and from gigs, and kept a music
> > stand with lyrics in front of him for most songs, even if he didn't
> > really need them. Quit because the whole band thing felt too much like
> > work.
>
> > This one also can't seem to learn lyrics, is very slow learning the
> > songs (even the ones I thought *everyone* knew by heart), and
> > frequently has trouble singing in time with the band -- he's often
> > well in front of the beat. My theory is that he's used to seeing
> > scrolling words timed to be on screen a beat before the music.
>
> > To cap it off, he's got (IMHO) godawful taste in music. Tonight he
> > honestly suggested covering songs by both Neil Diamond (apparently
> > last night was Neil Diamond night on American Idol, which he watches
> > religiously, and which I've never seen) and -- wait for it -- Barry
> > Manilow.
>
> > Next time I'm in a situation where we have to find a new singer, I'm
> > going to specify that karaoke wanks need not apply. But I imagine
> > that, with the success of American Idol, the market is permanently
> > flooded with every knucklehead who thinks being a karaoke weekend
> > warrior is all the training you need to be a rock 'n' roll star.
>
> > </rant>
>
> > -jb
>
> LOL,
> You might be surprised.  I just heard a recording of Dizzy Gillespie
> singing Time on My Hands after delivering a very nice trumpet non-
> bebob trumpet solo on the radio this morning.  Had to be very early in
> his career.  Anyway he sang way out of tune most of the time.
> Horrible.  He was in tune on the trumpet as far as I could tell.
> Just goes to show that circumstances alter cases and you might find a
> karaoke singer who is a gem.
> TS- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Maybe... but I've never SEEN it happen! LOL

Over beers I've been known to bemoan the couple of Karaoke
"experiments" I've been burdened with.

Corey

Reply from: Les Cargill
Date: 02 May 2008, 01:51
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers

coreybenson wrote:
> On May 1, 11:33 am, TS <tshaw7...@sbcglobal . net > wrote:
>> On 1 May, 02:34, John Bigboote <Bigboote....@gmail . com > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> My current band is on their second singer since I joined in November.
>>> Like their last, this one has never performed with a band before, but
>>> was very into karaoke, and thought to give the band thing a shot. A
>>> relatively decent singer.
>>> The last one hated hauling gear to and from gigs, and kept a music
>>> stand with lyrics in front of him for most songs, even if he didn't
>>> really need them. Quit because the whole band thing felt too much like
>>> work.
>>> This one also can't seem to learn lyrics, is very slow learning the
>>> songs (even the ones I thought *everyone* knew by heart), and
>>> frequently has trouble singing in time with the band -- he's often
>>> well in front of the beat. My theory is that he's used to seeing
>>> scrolling words timed to be on screen a beat before the music.
>>> To cap it off, he's got (IMHO) godawful taste in music. Tonight he
>>> honestly suggested covering songs by both Neil Diamond (apparently
>>> last night was Neil Diamond night on American Idol, which he watches
>>> religiously, and which I've never seen) and -- wait for it -- Barry
>>> Manilow.
>>> Next time I'm in a situation where we have to find a new singer, I'm
>>> going to specify that karaoke wanks need not apply. But I imagine
>>> that, with the success of American Idol, the market is permanently
>>> flooded with every knucklehead who thinks being a karaoke weekend
>>> warrior is all the training you need to be a rock 'n' roll star.
>>> </rant>
>>> -jb
>> LOL,
>> You might be surprised. I just heard a recording of Dizzy Gillespie
>> singing Time on My Hands after delivering a very nice trumpet non-
>> bebob trumpet solo on the radio this morning. Had to be very early in
>> his career. Anyway he sang way out of tune most of the time.
>> Horrible. He was in tune on the trumpet as far as I could tell.
>> Just goes to show that circumstances alter cases and you might find a
>> karaoke singer who is a gem.
>> TS- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Maybe... but I've never SEEN it happen! LOL
>
> Over beers I've been known to bemoan the couple of Karaoke
> "experiments" I've been burdened with.
>
> Corey

An excellent blues singer I once worked with would drag me
out to karaoke just to bury the crowd. When he was done,
the place was *totally silent*.

--
Les Cargill

Reply from: Brian Running
Date: 01 May 2008, 18:50
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers

> But I imagine that, with the success of American Idol, the market is permanently
> flooded with every knucklehead who thinks being a karaoke weekend
> warrior is all the training you need to be a rock 'n' roll star.

Sure seems that way. It also seems that Guitar Hero has created the
impression that hard work and talent are not really all that necessary
to play an instrument well. I may be wrong, but I just don't see as
many kids really working hard to get good at... well, to get good at
anything, really.

> To cap it off, he's got (IMHO) godawful taste in music. Tonight he
> honestly suggested covering songs by both Neil Diamond (apparently
> last night was Neil Diamond night on American Idol, which he watches
> religiously, and which I've never seen) and -- wait for it -- Barry Manilow.

Uh oh! Not the dreaded closed mind! Maybe Neil Diamond and Barry
Manilow tunes don't fit your band's set list, but that doesn't make it
godawful music!

Reply from: coreybenson
Date: 01 May 2008, 19:07
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers

On May 1, 11:50 am, Brian Running <brunn...@XXameritechXX . net > wrote:
> > But I imagine that, with the success of American Idol, the market is per=
manently
> > flooded with every knucklehead who thinks being a karaoke weekend
> > warrior is all the training you need to be a rock 'n' roll star.
>
> Sure seems that way.  It also seems that Guitar Hero has created the
> impression that hard work and talent are not really all that necessary
> to play an instrument well.  I may be wrong, but I just don't see as
> many kids really working hard to get good at...  well, to get good at
> anything, really.
>
> > To cap it off, he's got (IMHO) godawful taste in music. Tonight he
> > honestly suggested covering songs by both Neil Diamond (apparently
> > last night was Neil Diamond night on American Idol, which he watches
> > religiously, and which I've never seen) and -- wait for it -- Barry Mani=
low.
>
> Uh oh!  Not the dreaded closed mind!  Maybe Neil Diamond and Barry
> Manilow tunes don't fit your band's set list, but that doesn't make it
> godawful music!

"Sweet Caroline" is fantastic fun to play... the crowd always gets
into it, and I've even see Metal bands make it interesting.

Corey


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