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Reply from: Geoff
Date: 02 May, 09:38
I am trying to decide between getting a bass combo unit or a Keyboard
combo unit. I have an Ibanez BTB405, I think.

THis is going to be mainly for practicing at home with the wife who
plays acoustic guitar. Hence the idea of a Keyboard combo as we can
then both play with amplification. I am an amateurs who plays at
church if they cannot find anyone else. She is way better than me.

Has anyone done this and could everyone comment.

The other alternative is a small mixing desk that I can connect to the
hifi amp for us both or use with headphones for me.

Thanks in advance for advice. I struggle to make up my mind about
things so anyone's comments and advice will be greatly appreciated.

Geoff

PS thanks for all those who post regularly to this group I have learnt
a lot whilst lurking here for the last 6 months.

Reply from: Nigel Goodwin
Date: 02 May, 12:18
In message
<8538a8da-ee2a-4bac-b882-e90973b308c1@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups . com >,
Geoff <gjn111@gmail . com > writes
>I am trying to decide between getting a bass combo unit or a Keyboard
>combo unit. I have an Ibanez BTB405, I think.
>
>THis is going to be mainly for practicing at home with the wife who
>plays acoustic guitar. Hence the idea of a Keyboard combo as we can
>then both play with amplification. I am an amateurs who plays at
>church if they cannot find anyone else. She is way better than me.

I've got a Fender 60W keyboard combo (which I got for free!), and we've
used it for both bass and guitar (and even once for keyboard).

Only thing to be aware of is that it has low impedance balanced inputs,
which aren't too good for a passive guitar. I usually feed it via an
active DI box, which converts the impedance, and balances it as well. I
use a Behringer dual DI, with one output to the amp, and the second to
the PA.

But the last time we used it was for guitar, and we just fed it directly
from the guitarists effects pedal - and it worked fine. They are playing
the same venue again in a weeks time, so we'll probably do the same
again - PA,. drums, and bass amp are provided - but you need to take a
guitar amp, and the guitarist doesn't own one!.
--
Nigel Goodwin
C.Farmer Ltd.
Matlock

Reply from: Frederic Gelinas
Date: 02 May, 15:36
I practice on a 100K Yorkville keyboard mixer amp. It's a 15 years old
100W combo that has a lot of bottom for a single 12". I also use it as
a sub with my small monitors. The 3 channel mixer even have an XLR
input for a dynamic microphone if you want to sing.

I never thought that this small thing would do it for bass, but I had
to use it once on a gig because a poweramp fried and my bass rig
poweramp was the only replacement. I put the combo on a chair and
point it in the drummer's direction. Everybody could hear me just as
well on the stage as with my big rig. Everytime I can (small stage
with a full PA support in the room), I only bring that combo. Doesn't
have all the bottom of my 2x12, but it is well enough for monitoring if
it is aiming your ears, not your knees.

This thing is just the swiss knife of audio. I used it as a small PA
several times. Played music through it many times for small party.
Even ran as a center channel in a home theatre. Right now, it is
playing the bass channel on my 2.1 monitoring system on my PC. I
played electric (with a big multi-effect unit) and acoustic guitar
through it a couple of times.

To play bass at church, I don't think it would do it. For the guitar
it would be fine, but it won't do it for bass. For practice, I'd say:
this is the best thing you could ever get. Don't think you can use the
home stereo. I tried it and I was never able to get good volume
without the fear of blowing my JBL speakers.

And that combo also has a headphone output if you like... There are
some used at less than 300$.

--
Frederic Gelinas

Reply from: Steve Freides
Date: 02 May, 15:52
"Geoff" <gjn111@gmail . com > wrote in message
news:8538a8da-ee2a-4bac-b882-e90973b308c1@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups . com ...
>I am trying to decide between getting a bass combo unit or a Keyboard
> combo unit. I have an Ibanez BTB405, I think.
>
> THis is going to be mainly for practicing at home with the wife who
> plays acoustic guitar. Hence the idea of a Keyboard combo as we can
> then both play with amplification. I am an amateurs who plays at
> church if they cannot find anyone else. She is way better than me.
>
> Has anyone done this and could everyone comment.
>
> The other alternative is a small mixing desk that I can connect to the
> hifi amp for us both or use with headphones for me.
>
> Thanks in advance for advice. I struggle to make up my mind about
> things so anyone's comments and advice will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Geoff
>
> PS thanks for all those who post regularly to this group I have learnt
> a lot whilst lurking here for the last 6 months.

You don't mention your budget. If you can afford it, an AI Contra will
do a nice job of amplifying just about anything, IMHO. They make a few
models so you can pick how many channels you want, etc.

-S-



Reply from: Steve
Date: 02 May, 20:41
Geoff wrote:
> I am trying to decide between getting a bass combo unit or a Keyboard
> combo unit. I have an Ibanez BTB405, I think.
>
> THis is going to be mainly for practicing at home with the wife who
> plays acoustic guitar. Hence the idea of a Keyboard combo as we can
> then both play with amplification. I am an amateurs who plays at
> church if they cannot find anyone else. She is way better than me.
>
> Has anyone done this and could everyone comment.
>
> The other alternative is a small mixing desk that I can connect to the
> hifi amp for us both or use with headphones for me.
>
> Thanks in advance for advice. I struggle to make up my mind about
> things so anyone's comments and advice will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Geoff
>
> PS thanks for all those who post regularly to this group I have learnt
> a lot whilst lurking here for the last 6 months.

My Roland KC500 has been serving as a bass combo amp for several years -
the tone is great, and it has plenty of power (150 watts) for our
church. The speaker system consists of a 15-inch and a small tweeter.
Before I got this I used a Peavey KB300 keyboard amp as a bass amp as well.

--Steve

Reply from: Rudolf Ziegaus
Date: 02 May, 20:48
Am Fri, 02 May 2008 11:41:37 -0700 schrieb Steve:

> Geoff wrote:
>> I am trying to decide between getting a bass combo unit or a Keyboard
>> combo unit. I have an Ibanez BTB405, I think.
>>
>> THis is going to be mainly for practicing at home with the wife who
>> plays acoustic guitar. Hence the idea of a Keyboard combo as we can
>> then both play with amplification. I am an amateurs who plays at
>> church if they cannot find anyone else. She is way better than me.
>>
>> Has anyone done this and could everyone comment.
>>
>> The other alternative is a small mixing desk that I can connect to the
>> hifi amp for us both or use with headphones for me.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for advice. I struggle to make up my mind about
>> things so anyone's comments and advice will be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Geoff
>>
>> PS thanks for all those who post regularly to this group I have learnt
>> a lot whilst lurking here for the last 6 months.
>
> My Roland KC500 has been serving as a bass combo amp for several years -
> the tone is great, and it has plenty of power (150 watts) for our
> church. The speaker system consists of a 15-inch and a small tweeter.
> Before I got this I used a Peavey KB300 keyboard amp as a bass amp as well.
>
> --Steve

Do you know by chance how it compares to th KC150? I have to replace my
keyboard combo and I am thinking of the KC150 for my electric piano and
also as a practice amp for bass.

Thanks,

Rudi

Reply from: Todd H.
Date: 02 May, 21:00
Rudolf Ziegaus <Rudolf.Ziegaus@gmx.de> writes:

> Do you know by chance how it compares to th KC150? I have to replace my
> keyboard combo and I am thinking of the KC150 for my electric piano and
> also as a practice amp for bass.

KC150 is pretty wimpy by comparison at just 60W, and has a 12"
speaker. It's not really in the same class as the KC550 or 500 which
have heavy duty 15" woofers and something north of 150W.

But, for home use, it's worth an audition. You just won't be gigging
with it.

Best Regards,
--
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Reply from: redwookie
Date: 02 May, 21:15
Fellow Lurker! Stick around. Boy, have I learned a lot in 2 years!

Check out Polytone Mini Brutes:

* w w w .polytoneamps . com /

This might be exactly what you're looking for. My MiniBrute ll has 2
inputs using the same volume control. I think the newer ones still
have two. I see MiniBrutes on Ebay sometimes.

They are light (mine is about 25 lbs), plenty loud, and inexpensive.

My MiniBrute ll is a 70's model that my acordian/keyboard father giged
for years. Jazz guitarists and upright acoustic bassists still LOVE
this amp for its clean sound. It is decent when I've miked both my
Guild acoustic and nylon string flamenco guitar. I currently use it
as an electric bass amp in small bars and church for which it seems to
favor the higher mids with my Stingray 5er. It does not handle a low
B very well. My cheap electric fretless sounds pretty good except for
the low B.

BTW, If you even think you might play with a drummer this might help:
I could always hear my father's keys over the drummers. On bass, I
can handle some drums but I won't have much headroom in a bar. On
elec. guitar I didn't have any problem. Haven't tried acoustic
guitar.

> THis is going to be mainly for practicing at home with the wife who
> plays acoustic guitar. Hence the idea of a Keyboard combo as we can
> then both play with amplification. I am an amateurs who plays at
> church if they cannot find anyone else. She is way better than me.
> PS thanks for all those who post regularly to this group I have learnt
> a lot whilst lurking here for the last 6 months.


Reply from: Rudolf Ziegaus
Date: 02 May, 22:39
Am Fri, 02 May 2008 14:00:02 -0500 schrieb Todd H.:

> Rudolf Ziegaus <Rudolf.Ziegaus@gmx.de> writes:
>
>> Do you know by chance how it compares to th KC150? I have to replace my
>> keyboard combo and I am thinking of the KC150 for my electric piano and
>> also as a practice amp for bass.
>
> KC150 is pretty wimpy by comparison at just 60W, and has a 12"
> speaker. It's not really in the same class as the KC550 or 500 which
> have heavy duty 15" woofers and something north of 150W.
>
> But, for home use, it's worth an audition. You just won't be gigging
> with it.
>
> Best Regards,

Hi Todd,

since I have a rack with a SansAmp 1.1 and a H&K combo which I use both for
giggin', I really need it only for practizing.
Just checked the price at SamAsh for the KC-550, the price is really
incredibly low compared to the prices here in Germany. Even after adding
approx. 20 % TVA and customs (neglecting the transport fees which are
probably not neglectable;-)) the price would be approx. 500 Euros. In
Germany the lowest price I could find is as high as 675 Euros... quite a
difference..

For buying gear living in the US is really an advantage...

Rudi

Reply from: Todd H.
Date: 02 May, 20:53
Steve <smcyr@sureNOSPAMwest . net > writes:

> Geoff wrote:
>> I am trying to decide between getting a bass combo unit or a Keyboard
>> combo unit. I have an Ibanez BTB405, I think.
>> THis is going to be mainly for practicing at home with the wife who
>> plays acoustic guitar. Hence the idea of a Keyboard combo as we can
>> then both play with amplification. I am an amateurs who plays at
>> church if they cannot find anyone else. She is way better than me.
>> Has anyone done this and could everyone comment.
>> The other alternative is a small mixing desk that I can connect to
>> the
>> hifi amp for us both or use with headphones for me.
>> Thanks in advance for advice. I struggle to make up my mind about
>> things so anyone's comments and advice will be greatly appreciated.
>> Geoff
>> PS thanks for all those who post regularly to this group I have
>> learnt
>> a lot whilst lurking here for the last 6 months.
>
> My Roland KC500 has been serving as a bass combo amp for several years
> -
> the tone is great, and it has plenty of power (150 watts) for our
> church. The speaker system consists of a 15-inch and a small
> tweeter. Before I got this I used a Peavey KB300 keyboard amp as a
> bass amp as well.

I've got a KC550 and have found it to give similarly nice bass sound.
It's not my main rig, but it certainly would be an acceptable combo to
gig with.

--
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Reply from: dew
Date: 03 May, 03:10
I've had a Roland KC100 (60W) for years as the practice unit for my keys.
When I played the bass in a church band a few years ago, I used it as my
stage monitor and it worked fine for that, sounded MUCH better than my old
Fender practice bass amp. I used it for my bass in some garage jams last
year, and other than one ungodly loud guitar player, it cut through the mix
fine. Like some of the others mentioned, if you're looking to gig, there's
no way you want to go with something that small to begin with, but since
your reference is for using it as a practice amp that both you and your wife
can plug into, a Roland keyboard amp would work perfectly for that. And
FWIW, I've used my KC100 on small gigs with my acoustic duo when I didn't
feel like loading my PA unit, and it worked just fine - four inputs and much
easier to carry, and it did a good job with the keys, vocal, and acoustic
guitar all sounding crystal clear. Good luck!

David

"Geoff" <gjn111@gmail . com > wrote in message
news:8538a8da-ee2a-4bac-b882-e90973b308c1@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups . com ...
>I am trying to decide between getting a bass combo unit or a Keyboard
> combo unit. I have an Ibanez BTB405, I think.
>
> THis is going to be mainly for practicing at home with the wife who
> plays acoustic guitar. Hence the idea of a Keyboard combo as we can
> then both play with amplification. I am an amateurs who plays at
> church if they cannot find anyone else. She is way better than me.
>
> Has anyone done this and could everyone comment.
>
> The other alternative is a small mixing desk that I can connect to the
> hifi amp for us both or use with headphones for me.
>
> Thanks in advance for advice. I struggle to make up my mind about
> things so anyone's comments and advice will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Geoff
>
> PS thanks for all those who post regularly to this group I have learnt
> a lot whilst lurking here for the last 6 months.



Reply from: pTooner
Date: 03 May, 06:40

"Geoff" <gjn111@gmail . com > wrote in message
news:8538a8da-ee2a-4bac-b882-e90973b308c1@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups . com ...
>I am trying to decide between getting a bass combo unit or a Keyboard
> combo unit. I have an Ibanez BTB405, I think.
>
> THis is going to be mainly for practicing at home with the wife who
> plays acoustic guitar. Hence the idea of a Keyboard combo as we can
> then both play with amplification. I am an amateurs who plays at
> church if they cannot find anyone else. She is way better than me.
>
> Has anyone done this and could everyone comment.
>
> The other alternative is a small mixing desk that I can connect to the
> hifi amp for us both or use with headphones for me.
>
> Thanks in advance for advice. I struggle to make up my mind about
> things so anyone's comments and advice will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Geoff
>
> PS thanks for all those who post regularly to this group I have learnt
> a lot whilst lurking here for the last 6 months.

I do this frequently. My Roland KC150 (I'm not sure of the model, it's a
single 12 and 100 watts) is my goto for many things including light bass
use. I often take it to acoustic jam sessions where I don't need a lot of
volume and also use it as my stage monitor in many setups. It has a 4
channel mixer including one microphone XLR in. It has a line out for
connecting to the foh and has one channel dedicated to monitor in that isn't
fed to the line out. I have played small weddings using a keyboard,
acoustic guitar and mike into it as a portable PA. Now for just bass use, I
have a GK 112 that is excellent and small but it weighs a lot more than the
keyboard amp. In short, for the use you describe this should be an
excellent choice. There are also bigger amps such as the KC500 that would
be even better except for their weight.

Gerry






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