OT: small PA system

OT: small PA system

http :// www .cheapbandgear,com /Complete_PA_System_800_Watts_p/pasys3.htm

I got asked "is this good?" for use in an outdoor courtyard, uses would
include both speaking and singing but likely not instruments. If
there's anything better for the money, the brand is a horror, etc., I'll
pass it along.

Thanks in advance.

-S-

Re: OT: small PA system

"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer,com > writes:

> http :// www .cheapbandgear,com /Complete_PA_System_800_Watts_p/pasys3.htm
>
> I got asked "is this good?" for use in an outdoor courtyard, uses would
> include both speaking and singing but likely not instruments. If
> there's anything better for the money, the brand is a horror, etc., I'll
> pass it along.
>
> Thanks in advance.

The pa head--Behringer PMP2000--is fine. We use one.

Nady wireless stuff is generally lousy.

The EAP speakers I've never heard of before.

You might do as well getting a PMP2000, and a pair of Behrigner B212,
or B1220 cabs, and a few mics, and be on yer way. I've used both of
those cabs and they do a fine job of amplifying guitar and vox in
small-mid venues.

Best Regards,
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Re: OT: small PA system

On May 29, 11:40 am, bmia...@toddh,net (Todd H.) wrote:
> "Steve Freides" <st...@fridayscomputer,com > writes:
> > http :// www .cheapbandgear,com /Complete PA System 800 Watts p/pasys3.htm
>
> > I got asked "is this good?" for use in an outdoor courtyard, uses would
> > include both speaking and singing but likely not instruments. If
> > there's anything better for the money, the brand is a horror, etc., I'll
> > pass it along.
>
> > Thanks in advance.
>
> The pa head--Behringer PMP2000--is fine. We use one.
>
> Nady wireless stuff is generally lousy.
>
> The EAP speakers I've never heard of before.
>
> You might do as well getting a PMP2000, and a pair of Behrigner B212,
> or B1220 cabs, and a few mics, and be on yer way. I've used both of
> those cabs and they do a fine job of amplifying guitar and vox in
> small-mid venues.
>
> Best Regards,
> --
> /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Todd H
> \ / | http :// www .toddh,net /
> X Promoting good netiquette |
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If you're just putting vocals out there, I'd stay away from 15"+Horn
configs. There's a HUGE crossover issue between the 15" driver and the
horn, and frankly, most cabs with that config sound like crap. I'd
follow Todd's suggestion and look at a 1x12" + Horn config, like the
Behringers.

Personally, I'm not all that enamored with the powered head concept,
although it's quite functional for most people. I like the idea of a
small mixer and powered speakers. Add whatever EQ you can afford (The
ART 355 dual-31 Band EQ is great for the money, if you can find it),
and you're in business. Many of the smaller mixers even come with some
digital FX if that trips your trigger.

Corey

Re: OT: small PA system

coreybenson <coreybenson@gmail,com > writes:

> On May 29, 11:40 am, bmia...@toddh,net (Todd H.) wrote:
>> "Steve Freides" <st...@fridayscomputer,com > writes:
>> > http :// www .cheapbandgear,com /Complete_PA_System_800_Watts_p/pasys3.htm
>>
>> > I got asked "is this good?" for use in an outdoor courtyard, uses would
>> > include both speaking and singing but likely not instruments. If
>> > there's anything better for the money, the brand is a horror, etc., I'll
>> > pass it along.
>>
>> > Thanks in advance.
>>
>> The pa head--Behringer PMP2000--is fine. We use one.
>>
>> Nady wireless stuff is generally lousy.
>>
>> The EAP speakers I've never heard of before.
>>
>> You might do as well getting a PMP2000, and a pair of Behrigner B212,
>> or B1220 cabs, and a few mics, and be on yer way. I've used both of
>> those cabs and they do a fine job of amplifying guitar and vox in
>> small-mid venues.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> --
>> /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Todd H
>> \ / | http :// www .toddh,net /
>> X Promoting good netiquette |
>> / \ http :// www .toddh,net /netiquette/| http :// myspace,com /bmiawmb
>
> If you're just putting vocals out there, I'd stay away from 15"+Horn
> configs. There's a HUGE crossover issue between the 15" driver and the
> horn, and frankly, most cabs with that config sound like crap.

Agreed, and experienced!

> I'd follow Todd's suggestion and look at a 1x12" + Horn config, like
> the Behringers.
>
> Personally, I'm not all that enamored with the powered head concept,
> although it's quite functional for most people. I like the idea of a
> small mixer and powered speakers. Add whatever EQ you can afford (The
> ART 355 dual-31 Band EQ is great for the money, if you can find it),
> and you're in business. Many of the smaller mixers even come with some
> digital FX if that trips your trigger.

I used to be a separates guy, then I played more than 5 gigs a year
and the novelty of snappin all that shit together powering it, making
sure there were clean cables to em, etc got old.

That Behringer head with integrated fx and eq is just lovely. Cabled
up and firin in no time.


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Re: OT: small PA system

On May 29, 1:42 pm, bmia...@toddh,net (Todd H.) wrote:
> coreybenson <coreyben...@gmail,com > writes:
> > On May 29, 11:40 am, bmia...@toddh,net (Todd H.) wrote:
> >> "Steve Freides" <st...@fridayscomputer,com > writes:
> >> > http :// www .cheapbandgear,com /Complete PA System 800 Watts p/pasys3.htm
>
> >> > I got asked "is this good?" for use in an outdoor courtyard, uses would
> >> > include both speaking and singing but likely not instruments. If
> >> > there's anything better for the money, the brand is a horror, etc., I'll
> >> > pass it along.
>
> >> > Thanks in advance.
>
> >> The pa head--Behringer PMP2000--is fine. We use one.
>
> >> Nady wireless stuff is generally lousy.
>
> >> The EAP speakers I've never heard of before.
>
> >> You might do as well getting a PMP2000, and a pair of Behrigner B212,
> >> or B1220 cabs, and a few mics, and be on yer way. I've used both of
> >> those cabs and they do a fine job of amplifying guitar and vox in
> >> small-mid venues.
>
> >> Best Regards,
> >> --
> >> /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Todd H
> >> \ / | http :// www .toddh,net /
> >> X Promoting good netiquette |
> >> / \ http :// www .toddh,net /netiquette/| http :// myspace,com /bmiawmb
>
> > If you're just putting vocals out there, I'd stay away from 15"+Horn
> > configs. There's a HUGE crossover issue between the 15" driver and the
> > horn, and frankly, most cabs with that config sound like crap.
>
> Agreed, and experienced!
>
> > I'd follow Todd's suggestion and look at a 1x12" + Horn config, like
> > the Behringers.
>
> > Personally, I'm not all that enamored with the powered head concept,
> > although it's quite functional for most people. I like the idea of a
> > small mixer and powered speakers. Add whatever EQ you can afford (The
> > ART 355 dual-31 Band EQ is great for the money, if you can find it),
> > and you're in business. Many of the smaller mixers even come with some
> > digital FX if that trips your trigger.
>
> I used to be a separates guy, then I played more than 5 gigs a year
> and the novelty of snappin all that shit together powering it, making
> sure there were clean cables to em, etc got old.
>
> That Behringer head with integrated fx and eq is just lovely. Cabled
> up and firin in no time.

I ain't arguing! LOL - I will say we picked up a PM3000 (PM3500?) for
church, and it was DOA. Went Soundcraft instead for the replacement...
about the same cost, a little less power rating, but smaller, lighter
and a rollable case built in, with front/back covers. Slick.

However, the way I build my PA's, it ends up being the same thing as a
powered head, but with better EQ capabilities. Board is already wired
to the EQ's, just run L/R from the EQ's to the powered boxes in the
air and on the floor. Done. If you're REALLY slick, get an 8-channel
snake, and prewire it TOO. Then you just drop a box in the middle of
the stage, run your mic's to IT, and it runs back to board. VERY
slick.

Add subs for slightly larger shows? No prob. Get a powered sub with a
crossover in it. Run the same L/R from the EQ to the sub, then a short
jumper to the matching top box. Done. Heck, you can rent powered subs
for $15-20 per day!

I really like powered speaks, and a tidy little rack with a small
mixer on top and EQ's on the bottom... slick.

BUT: I'm not arguing with your method! Mine's just slightly more
scalable. I've been at least part owner in a half dozen sound
companies over the past 20 years... I have prejudices based on
scalability, and fully admit it! :-)

Listen to Todd. His way's cheaper! LOL

Corey

Re: OT: small PA system


"coreybenson" <coreybenson@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:15f03d2f-8be1-4ef3-af93-e6094d8a476f@k30g2000hse.googlegroups,com ...

>
> If you're just putting vocals out there, I'd stay away from 15"+Horn
> configs. There's a HUGE crossover issue between the 15" driver and the
> horn, and frankly, most cabs with that config sound like crap. I'd
> follow Todd's suggestion and look at a 1x12" + Horn config, like the
> Behringers.
>
> Personally, I'm not all that enamored with the powered head concept,
> although it's quite functional for most people. I like the idea of a
> small mixer and powered speakers. Add whatever EQ you can afford (The
> ART 355 dual-31 Band EQ is great for the money, if you can find it),
> and you're in business. Many of the smaller mixers even come with some
> digital FX if that trips your trigger.
>
If you lived anywhere near northern Colorado, I'd suggest the system I have
that I really don't need anymore. Yamaha O1V digital mixer, RMX 850 power
amp and a pair of Yamaha SMIV cabs that work easily for vocals or monitors.
I've been slowly pairing down the PA gear, and since I just bought a pair of
Roland Cube Monitors for vocals and acoustic guitar, I don't need the last
of the "heavy" gear. The O1V is great with all of the effects and dynamics
built in and both the amp and cabs are proven equipment.

Glenn D.

Re: OT: small PA system

bmiawmb@toddh,net (Todd H.) wrote in news:84prr52hdt@news.giganews,com :

> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer,com > writes:
>
>> http :// www .cheapbandgear,com /Complete_PA_System_800_Watts_p/pasys3.htm
>>
>> I got asked "is this good?" for use in an outdoor courtyard, uses
>> would include both speaking and singing but likely not instruments.
>> If there's anything better for the money, the brand is a horror,
>> etc., I'll pass it along.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>
> The pa head--Behringer PMP2000--is fine. We use one.
>
> Nady wireless stuff is generally lousy.

I think you're being overly generous in your evaluation of the Nady
wireless stuff...

--
Aaron

Re: OT: small PA system

> I got asked "is this good?" for use in an outdoor courtyard, uses would
> include both speaking and singing but likely not instruments. If
> there's anything better for the money, the brand is a horror, etc., I'll
> pass it along.

Hi, Steve. It's a lot of gear for the money. The thing to be leery of
is the speakers. I've never heard of "EAP" speakers, and the only way
to know if they're any good is to hear them in a performance setting.
My strong opinion is that the speakers are both the most important part
of the PA and also the part that gets sacrificed first to the budget.
The use that you described sounds as though it's only a small area, not
a lot of volume required, maybe not a lot of horizontal dispersion
needed -- if a single speaker cab could handle the job, then I'd go for
one very-good quality speaker instead of two crummy ones, and then the
first upgrade step would be to buy another speaker when the budget allowed.

Also, for the job you described, I wouldn't think wireless would be a
prime consideration. Cut out the wireless for now and put the money in
the speakers. Keep saving those pennies and upgrade as you go. You
won't regret top-notch speakers and you will regret trashy ones.

Re: OT: small PA system

Steve Freides wrote:

> http :// www .cheapbandgear,com /Complete_PA_System_800_Watts_p/pasys3.htm
>
> I got asked "is this good?" for use in an outdoor courtyard, uses
> would include both speaking and singing but likely not instruments.
> If there's anything better for the money, the brand is a horror,
> etc., I'll pass it along.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> -S-

- Do you need 10 channels?
- Do you need wireless?
- I would by separate components to allow you to upgrade in the future.
- I wouldn't buy speakers if I haven't heard them before.
- I'd probably go with a small Behringer mixer with some digital FX, 1
powered speaker (thinking Mackie here) and some used dynamic mics.

--
Frederic Gelinas

Re: OT: small PA system

Frederic Gelinas wrote:
> Steve Freides wrote:
>
>> http :// www .cheapbandgear,com /Complete PA System 800 Watts p/pasys3.htm
>>
>> I got asked "is this good?" for use in an outdoor courtyard, uses
>> would include both speaking and singing but likely not instruments.
>> If there's anything better for the money, the brand is a horror,
>> etc., I'll pass it along.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> -S-
>
> - Do you need 10 channels?
> - Do you need wireless?
> - I would by separate components to allow you to upgrade in the future.
> - I wouldn't buy speakers if I haven't heard them before.
> - I'd probably go with a small Behringer mixer with some digital FX, 1
> powered speaker (thinking Mackie here) and some used dynamic mics.
>


The Mackie SRM350 is a real nice little powered PA speaker, especially
for vocals and light acoustics. It's even better than the 450.
However, at $439.95/ea, they would run a bit more than the system the OP
mentioned. Never the less, you could put together a system with a pair
of them and a little Behringer, a decent dynamic mic (Audix OM5), a mic
stand and a couple of cables for about a thousand, or so.

-Raf

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Re: OT: small PA system

Misifus wrote:
> Frederic Gelinas wrote:
>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>
>>> http :// www .cheapbandgear,com /Complete PA System 800 Watts p/pasys3.htm
>>>
>>> I got asked "is this good?" for use in an outdoor courtyard, uses
>>> would include both speaking and singing but likely not instruments.
>>> If there's anything better for the money, the brand is a horror,
>>> etc., I'll pass it along.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> -S-
>>
>> - Do you need 10 channels?
>> - Do you need wireless? - I would by separate components to allow you
>> to upgrade in the future.
>> - I wouldn't buy speakers if I haven't heard them before.
>> - I'd probably go with a small Behringer mixer with some digital FX, 1
>> powered speaker (thinking Mackie here) and some used dynamic mics.
>>
>
>
> The Mackie SRM350 is a real nice little powered PA speaker, especially
> for vocals and light acoustics. It's even better than the 450. However,
> at $439.95/ea, they would run a bit more than the system the OP
> mentioned. Never the less, you could put together a system with a pair
> of them and a little Behringer, a decent dynamic mic (Audix OM5), a mic
> stand and a couple of cables for about a thousand, or so.
>
> -Raf
>

Or you could throw another $200 on there and get seperate power and
better speakers. I suppose some day people will make good plastic
speakers, but I haven't heard any yet.

--
Les Cargill

Re: OT: small PA system


"Les Cargill" <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote in message
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> Misifus wrote:
>> Frederic Gelinas wrote:
>>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>>
>>>> http :// www .cheapbandgear,com /Complete_PA_System_800_Watts_p/pasys3.htm
>>>>
>>>> I got asked "is this good?" for use in an outdoor courtyard, uses
>>>> would include both speaking and singing but likely not instruments.
>>>> If there's anything better for the money, the brand is a horror,
>>>> etc., I'll pass it along.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> -S-
>>>
>>> - Do you need 10 channels?
>>> - Do you need wireless? - I would by separate components to allow you
>>> to upgrade in the future.
>>> - I wouldn't buy speakers if I haven't heard them before.
>>> - I'd probably go with a small Behringer mixer with some digital FX, 1
>>> powered speaker (thinking Mackie here) and some used dynamic mics.
>>>
>>
>>
>> The Mackie SRM350 is a real nice little powered PA speaker, especially
>> for vocals and light acoustics. It's even better than the 450. However,
>> at $439.95/ea, they would run a bit more than the system the OP
>> mentioned. Never the less, you could put together a system with a pair
>> of them and a little Behringer, a decent dynamic mic (Audix OM5), a mic
>> stand and a couple of cables for about a thousand, or so.
>>
>> -Raf
>>
>
> Or you could throw another $200 on there and get seperate power and better
> speakers. I suppose some day people will make good plastic speakers, but I
> haven't heard any yet.

http :// www .musiciansbuy,com //MACKIE_C300Z_SPEAKERC300ZKIT.html

Try this one.

Gerry

Re: small PA system

"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer,com > wrote in message
news:6a83ihF34o701U1@mid.individual,net ...
> http :// www .cheapbandgear,com /Complete_PA_System_800_Watts_p/pasys3.htm
>
> I got asked "is this good?" for use in an outdoor courtyard, uses
> would include both speaking and singing but likely not instruments.
> If there's anything better for the money, the brand is a horror, etc.,
> I'll pass it along.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> -S-

Thanks for your replies, everyone - I've passed them all along.

-S-