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Re: Behringer Power Amps?
Nigel Goodwin <Nigel@cfarmerltd.co.uk> writes:
> In message <84y77bjl86@news.giganews,com >, Todd H. <bmiawmb@toddh,net >
> writes
>>Behringer owns their own factory now and produces them themselves.
>
> I'm aware Behringer has a facility in China, but does then mean that
> EVERYTHING is produced there?.
>
> Even if it does (which seems unlikely), it doesn't mean they haven't
> licensed the design from the Chinese manufacturer that QSC buy them
> from.
Sorry, but if we hadn't been through this crap in rec.audio.pro and
here several times before, this claim of Behringer ripping off the RMX
line directly wouldn't be so tiresome.
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Nigel Goodwin <Nigel@cfarmerltd.co.uk> writes:
> In message <84y77bjl86@news.giganews,com >, Todd H. <bmiawmb@toddh,net >
> writes
>>Behringer owns their own factory now and produces them themselves.
>
> I'm aware Behringer has a facility in China, but does then mean that
> EVERYTHING is produced there?.
>
> Even if it does (which seems unlikely), it doesn't mean they haven't
> licensed the design from the Chinese manufacturer that QSC buy them
> from.
Sorry, but if we hadn't been through this crap in rec.audio.pro and
here several times before, this claim of Behringer ripping off the RMX
line directly wouldn't be so tiresome.
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Re: Behringer Power Amps?
Todd H. wrote:
> Sorry, but if we hadn't been through this crap in rec.audio.pro and
> here several times before, this claim of Behringer ripping off the RMX
> line directly wouldn't be so tiresome.
>
Behringer did get a rep early on for being a knock-off company and it's
easy to wrongly assume they're still at it with everything the turn out.
I would probably never buy anything Behringer to use myself but I will
admit that a lot of what they make now seems to be a whole lot better
than their earlier products. Initial perceptions and prejudices die hard
though.
I remember having a Traynor Bass Master when I was a kid and how we all
thought Traynor stuff was crap. I couldn't wait to get rid of the thing
and I think I sold it to get an Acoustic 360 which was a harsh sounding,
unreliable POS. If I'd been educated enough to understand the Traynor
was a well built, point to point wired tube amp I would have kept
it...these days that amp is going for twice what it cost new. When STILL
I fall into this trap of misperception like I did here I kinda get down
on myself for it..you'd think I would have learned by now.
.
Todd H. wrote:
> Sorry, but if we hadn't been through this crap in rec.audio.pro and
> here several times before, this claim of Behringer ripping off the RMX
> line directly wouldn't be so tiresome.
>
Behringer did get a rep early on for being a knock-off company and it's
easy to wrongly assume they're still at it with everything the turn out.
I would probably never buy anything Behringer to use myself but I will
admit that a lot of what they make now seems to be a whole lot better
than their earlier products. Initial perceptions and prejudices die hard
though.
I remember having a Traynor Bass Master when I was a kid and how we all
thought Traynor stuff was crap. I couldn't wait to get rid of the thing
and I think I sold it to get an Acoustic 360 which was a harsh sounding,
unreliable POS. If I'd been educated enough to understand the Traynor
was a well built, point to point wired tube amp I would have kept
it...these days that amp is going for twice what it cost new. When STILL
I fall into this trap of misperception like I did here I kinda get down
on myself for it..you'd think I would have learned by now.
.
Re: Behringer Power Amps?
jeffb wrote:
> Todd H. wrote:
>
>> Sorry, but if we hadn't been through this crap in rec.audio.pro and
>> here several times before, this claim of Behringer ripping off the RMX
>> line directly wouldn't be so tiresome.
>>
>
> Behringer did get a rep early on for being a knock-off company and it's
> easy to wrongly assume they're still at it with everything the turn out.
> I would probably never buy anything Behringer to use myself but I will
> admit that a lot of what they make now seems to be a whole lot better
> than their earlier products. Initial perceptions and prejudices die hard
> though.
>
> I remember having a Traynor Bass Master when I was a kid and how we all
> thought Traynor stuff was crap. I couldn't wait to get rid of the thing
> and I think I sold it to get an Acoustic 360 which was a harsh sounding,
1) Jaco used a 360. Recorded examples aren't particularly harsh.
2) My 370 lasted 29 years, and I'd bought it used.
Acoustic amps *could* be harsh, but that didn't come across in the
crowd, and it was largely a function of how you dial the thing in.
Still, I think it was Albert Collins who used an Acoustic for
guitar, one with a horn. Ouch! Icepick indeed.
> unreliable POS. If I'd been educated enough to understand the Traynor
> was a well built, point to point wired tube amp I would have kept
> it...these days that amp is going for twice what it cost new. When STILL
> I fall into this trap of misperception like I did here I kinda get down
> on myself for it..you'd think I would have learned by now.
>
>
>
--
Les Cargill
jeffb wrote:
> Todd H. wrote:
>
>> Sorry, but if we hadn't been through this crap in rec.audio.pro and
>> here several times before, this claim of Behringer ripping off the RMX
>> line directly wouldn't be so tiresome.
>>
>
> Behringer did get a rep early on for being a knock-off company and it's
> easy to wrongly assume they're still at it with everything the turn out.
> I would probably never buy anything Behringer to use myself but I will
> admit that a lot of what they make now seems to be a whole lot better
> than their earlier products. Initial perceptions and prejudices die hard
> though.
>
> I remember having a Traynor Bass Master when I was a kid and how we all
> thought Traynor stuff was crap. I couldn't wait to get rid of the thing
> and I think I sold it to get an Acoustic 360 which was a harsh sounding,
1) Jaco used a 360. Recorded examples aren't particularly harsh.
2) My 370 lasted 29 years, and I'd bought it used.
Acoustic amps *could* be harsh, but that didn't come across in the
crowd, and it was largely a function of how you dial the thing in.
Still, I think it was Albert Collins who used an Acoustic for
guitar, one with a horn. Ouch! Icepick indeed.
> unreliable POS. If I'd been educated enough to understand the Traynor
> was a well built, point to point wired tube amp I would have kept
> it...these days that amp is going for twice what it cost new. When STILL
> I fall into this trap of misperception like I did here I kinda get down
> on myself for it..you'd think I would have learned by now.
>
>
>
--
Les Cargill
Re: Behringer Power Amps?
Les Cargill wrote:
> 1) Jaco used a 360. Recorded examples aren't particularly harsh.
Yes he did...one modified by Steve Rabe. Truth be known I probably
bought the thing mostly because Jaco was using one. Trouble is I never
really wanted to sound like Jaco. In retrospect it doesn't make any sense.
> 2) My 370 lasted 29 years, and I'd bought it used.
Mine was a lemon.
> Acoustic amps *could* be harsh, but that didn't come across in the
> crowd, and it was largely a function of how you dial the thing in.
Yeah, I knew a lot less about making an amp sound good back then. What I
really wanted was an SVT I just didn't know it yet...and an Acoustic
ain't never gonna sound like an SVT. I was always struggling to get a
sound the 360 just didn't do.
> Still, I think it was Albert Collins who used an Acoustic for
> guitar, one with a horn. Ouch! Icepick indeed.
Ouch indeed!
Les Cargill wrote:
> 1) Jaco used a 360. Recorded examples aren't particularly harsh.
Yes he did...one modified by Steve Rabe. Truth be known I probably
bought the thing mostly because Jaco was using one. Trouble is I never
really wanted to sound like Jaco. In retrospect it doesn't make any sense.
> 2) My 370 lasted 29 years, and I'd bought it used.
Mine was a lemon.
> Acoustic amps *could* be harsh, but that didn't come across in the
> crowd, and it was largely a function of how you dial the thing in.
Yeah, I knew a lot less about making an amp sound good back then. What I
really wanted was an SVT I just didn't know it yet...and an Acoustic
ain't never gonna sound like an SVT. I was always struggling to get a
sound the 360 just didn't do.
> Still, I think it was Albert Collins who used an Acoustic for
> guitar, one with a horn. Ouch! Icepick indeed.
Ouch indeed!
Re: Behringer Power Amps?
jeffb wrote:
> Les Cargill wrote:
>
>> 1) Jaco used a 360. Recorded examples aren't particularly harsh.
>
> Yes he did...one modified by Steve Rabe.
Interesting.
> Truth be known I probably
> bought the thing mostly because Jaco was using one. Trouble is I never
> really wanted to sound like Jaco. In retrospect it doesn't make any sense.
>
Not really. I bought mine because it seemed like the
best thing available at the time. In 1977,
options were limited. About 1980, I bought a
Sunn cab w/ 4X15" that mated with the 370 very well.
>> 2) My 370 lasted 29 years, and I'd bought it used.
>
> Mine was a lemon.
>
>> Acoustic amps *could* be harsh, but that didn't come across in the
>> crowd, and it was largely a function of how you dial the thing in.
>
> Yeah, I knew a lot less about making an amp sound good back then. What I
> really wanted was an SVT I just didn't know it yet...
I don't even know where I could have *found* one. Probably 500 miles or
more away... in the '90s, I really tried to like the SVT. Couldn't.
Murky thing, no real low extension.
> and an Acoustic
> ain't never gonna sound like an SVT. I was always struggling to get a
> sound the 360 just didn't do.
>
>> Still, I think it was Albert Collins who used an Acoustic for
>> guitar, one with a horn. Ouch! Icepick indeed.
>
> Ouch indeed!
--
Les Cargill
jeffb wrote:
> Les Cargill wrote:
>
>> 1) Jaco used a 360. Recorded examples aren't particularly harsh.
>
> Yes he did...one modified by Steve Rabe.
Interesting.
> Truth be known I probably
> bought the thing mostly because Jaco was using one. Trouble is I never
> really wanted to sound like Jaco. In retrospect it doesn't make any sense.
>
Not really. I bought mine because it seemed like the
best thing available at the time. In 1977,
options were limited. About 1980, I bought a
Sunn cab w/ 4X15" that mated with the 370 very well.
>> 2) My 370 lasted 29 years, and I'd bought it used.
>
> Mine was a lemon.
>
>> Acoustic amps *could* be harsh, but that didn't come across in the
>> crowd, and it was largely a function of how you dial the thing in.
>
> Yeah, I knew a lot less about making an amp sound good back then. What I
> really wanted was an SVT I just didn't know it yet...
I don't even know where I could have *found* one. Probably 500 miles or
more away... in the '90s, I really tried to like the SVT. Couldn't.
Murky thing, no real low extension.
> and an Acoustic
> ain't never gonna sound like an SVT. I was always struggling to get a
> sound the 360 just didn't do.
>
>> Still, I think it was Albert Collins who used an Acoustic for
>> guitar, one with a horn. Ouch! Icepick indeed.
>
> Ouch indeed!
--
Les Cargill
Re: Behringer Power Amps?
> And you'd still be wrong.
>
> Behringer owns their own factory now and produces them themselves.
>
> QSC RMX's on the other hand are by all accounts OEM'd.
I have no reason to doubt you, Todd, but how do we know this? I've seen
this line repeated many times, but have never seen a reference to a
source for the info. What's the source?
> And you'd still be wrong.
>
> Behringer owns their own factory now and produces them themselves.
>
> QSC RMX's on the other hand are by all accounts OEM'd.
I have no reason to doubt you, Todd, but how do we know this? I've seen
this line repeated many times, but have never seen a reference to a
source for the info. What's the source?
Re: Behringer Power Amps?
Brian Running <brunning@XXameritechXX,net > writes:
>> And you'd still be wrong. Behringer owns their own factory now and
>> produces them themselves. QSC RMX's on the other hand are by all
>> accounts OEM'd.
>
> I have no reason to doubt you, Todd, but how do we know this? I've
> seen this line repeated many times, but have never seen a reference to
> a source for the info. What's the source?
Jim Savery, iirc has spoken to Behringer owning the factory in China.
I'm afraid I don't care enough to hunt for the citation though.
As for whatever QSC is doing, I am just repeating the same things I've
seen written several times.
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Brian Running <brunning@XXameritechXX,net > writes:
>> And you'd still be wrong. Behringer owns their own factory now and
>> produces them themselves. QSC RMX's on the other hand are by all
>> accounts OEM'd.
>
> I have no reason to doubt you, Todd, but how do we know this? I've
> seen this line repeated many times, but have never seen a reference to
> a source for the info. What's the source?
Jim Savery, iirc has spoken to Behringer owning the factory in China.
I'm afraid I don't care enough to hunt for the citation though.
As for whatever QSC is doing, I am just repeating the same things I've
seen written several times.
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Re: Behringer Power Amps?
> Jim Savery, iirc has spoken to Behringer owning the factory in China.
> I'm afraid I don't care enough to hunt for the citation though.
Well, what the heck, I've got a minute here, before getting back to work
after lunch -- let's see...
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=NqUGLUJF7y4
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=3LKnQl8gbkQ&feature=related
Very interesting!
> As for whatever QSC is doing, I am just repeating the same things I've
> seen written several times.
Couldn't find anything on QSC's contractor in China.
> Jim Savery, iirc has spoken to Behringer owning the factory in China.
> I'm afraid I don't care enough to hunt for the citation though.
Well, what the heck, I've got a minute here, before getting back to work
after lunch -- let's see...
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=NqUGLUJF7y4
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=3LKnQl8gbkQ&feature=related
Very interesting!
> As for whatever QSC is doing, I am just repeating the same things I've
> seen written several times.
Couldn't find anything on QSC's contractor in China.
Re: Behringer Power Amps?
On 21 Apr, 11:35, Brian Running <brunn...@XXameritechXX,net > wrote:
> > Jim Savery, iirc has spoken to Behringer owning the factory in China.
> > I'm afraid I don't care enough to hunt for the citation though.
>
> Well, what the heck, I've got a minute here, before getting back to work
> after lunch -- let's see...
>
> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=NqUGLUJF7y4
>
> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=3LKnQl8gbkQ&feature=related
Fascinating stuff. And on top of the exceptional customer service I
got a couple of years ago, thanks to Jim, I continue to be impressed.
-jb
On 21 Apr, 11:35, Brian Running <brunn...@XXameritechXX,net > wrote:
> > Jim Savery, iirc has spoken to Behringer owning the factory in China.
> > I'm afraid I don't care enough to hunt for the citation though.
>
> Well, what the heck, I've got a minute here, before getting back to work
> after lunch -- let's see...
>
> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=NqUGLUJF7y4
>
> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=3LKnQl8gbkQ&feature=related
Fascinating stuff. And on top of the exceptional customer service I
got a couple of years ago, thanks to Jim, I continue to be impressed.
-jb
Re: Behringer Power Amps?
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:57:26 +0100, Nigel Goodwin
<Nigel@cfarmerltd.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <g7KdnQzXoJRfepnVnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@surewest>, Steve
><smcyr@sureNOSPAMwest,net > writes
>>Have any of you had any experience with Behringer's power amps? I'm
>>putting together a sound system for the church I belong to, and so far
>>we've purchased two QSC RMX-series power amps, which are excellent for
>>the money. But the Behringer power amps offer more power for less $$$,
>>so I was considering getting them for the two additional amps we will
>>need. Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated.
>
>The Behringer amps are almost identical to the QSC ones, it seems likely
>they are designed and built in the same Chinese factory?.
>
No, QSC's RMX amps are built in a Chinese OEM factory, Behringer EP
series amps are built in Behringer's own factory.
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:57:26 +0100, Nigel Goodwin
<Nigel@cfarmerltd.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <g7KdnQzXoJRfepnVnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@surewest>, Steve
><smcyr@sureNOSPAMwest,net > writes
>>Have any of you had any experience with Behringer's power amps? I'm
>>putting together a sound system for the church I belong to, and so far
>>we've purchased two QSC RMX-series power amps, which are excellent for
>>the money. But the Behringer power amps offer more power for less $$$,
>>so I was considering getting them for the two additional amps we will
>>need. Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated.
>
>The Behringer amps are almost identical to the QSC ones, it seems likely
>they are designed and built in the same Chinese factory?.
>
No, QSC's RMX amps are built in a Chinese OEM factory, Behringer EP
series amps are built in Behringer's own factory.
Re: Behringer Power Amps?
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:37:03 -0700, Steve <smcyr@sureNOSPAMwest,net >
wrote:
>Have any of you had any experience with Behringer's power amps? I'm
>putting together a sound system for the church I belong to, and so far
>we've purchased two QSC RMX-series power amps, which are excellent for
>the money. But the Behringer power amps offer more power for less $$$,
>so I was considering getting them for the two additional amps we will
>need. Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated.
>
>--Steve
I have an EP1500 in my bass rig, and we have 2 Ep2500s in our pa.
Years of trouble free service.
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:37:03 -0700, Steve <smcyr@sureNOSPAMwest,net >
wrote:
>Have any of you had any experience with Behringer's power amps? I'm
>putting together a sound system for the church I belong to, and so far
>we've purchased two QSC RMX-series power amps, which are excellent for
>the money. But the Behringer power amps offer more power for less $$$,
>so I was considering getting them for the two additional amps we will
>need. Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated.
>
>--Steve
I have an EP1500 in my bass rig, and we have 2 Ep2500s in our pa.
Years of trouble free service.
Re: Behringer Power Amps?
> I have an EP1500 in my bass rig, and we have 2 Ep2500s in our pa.
> Years of trouble free service.
This is only anecdotal, but -- my RMX 2450 was subject to a recall to
correct an incorrectly-routed wire in the power supply that resulted in
several units having their chassis energized, waiting to send some
unsuspecting schlub standing barefoot on concrete to the promised land.
Never had a recall of my Crown or Peavey amps. This only means that
QSC is not invulnerable to problems.
> I have an EP1500 in my bass rig, and we have 2 Ep2500s in our pa.
> Years of trouble free service.
This is only anecdotal, but -- my RMX 2450 was subject to a recall to
correct an incorrectly-routed wire in the power supply that resulted in
several units having their chassis energized, waiting to send some
unsuspecting schlub standing barefoot on concrete to the promised land.
Never had a recall of my Crown or Peavey amps. This only means that
QSC is not invulnerable to problems.
Re: Behringer Power Amps?
Brian Running wrote:
>> I have an EP1500 in my bass rig, and we have 2 Ep2500s in our pa.
>> Years of trouble free service.
>
> This is only anecdotal, but -- my RMX 2450 was subject to a recall to
> correct an incorrectly-routed wire in the power supply that resulted in
> several units having their chassis energized, waiting to send some
> unsuspecting schlub standing barefoot on concrete to the promised land.
> Never had a recall of my Crown or Peavey amps. This only means that
> QSC is not invulnerable to problems.
My bass rig has a QSC RMX850 driven by a Peavey preamp - and the
performance is excellent. I still have the Peavey 8.5C that the QSC amp
replaced, and that's an excellent amp too - I've had it for about 13
years, and never a hiccup - it serves as the brawn of my sound system at
home, driven by a Behringer mixer. But the thing weighs about 3 tons
(alright, I'm exaggerating a LITTLE), so the QSC amp is definitely more
portable, and smaller too: 2U instead of 3U.
--Steve
Brian Running wrote:
>> I have an EP1500 in my bass rig, and we have 2 Ep2500s in our pa.
>> Years of trouble free service.
>
> This is only anecdotal, but -- my RMX 2450 was subject to a recall to
> correct an incorrectly-routed wire in the power supply that resulted in
> several units having their chassis energized, waiting to send some
> unsuspecting schlub standing barefoot on concrete to the promised land.
> Never had a recall of my Crown or Peavey amps. This only means that
> QSC is not invulnerable to problems.
My bass rig has a QSC RMX850 driven by a Peavey preamp - and the
performance is excellent. I still have the Peavey 8.5C that the QSC amp
replaced, and that's an excellent amp too - I've had it for about 13
years, and never a hiccup - it serves as the brawn of my sound system at
home, driven by a Behringer mixer. But the thing weighs about 3 tons
(alright, I'm exaggerating a LITTLE), so the QSC amp is definitely more
portable, and smaller too: 2U instead of 3U.
--Steve
