On what beat do you hear the beginning?

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?

"Derek Tearne" <derek@url.co.nz> wrote in message
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> JoeSpareBedroom <dishborealis@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>> Oh no...that's what my singer said. :-)
>
> Typical singer, only worried about where *they* come in!
>
> --- Derek


What's funny about this issue is that in a previous band, I don't recall any
of us EVER discussing how to count it in. Not a word, and it always started
right. Hmm...

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?

In my defense, I couldn't get a smooth start on the clip. Even after
letting thw whole clip load, it jumped several times during the count. I
REALLY need to upgrade my PII 500. *blushes*

--
-rob Bartlett, TN
O>
/(\)
^^
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo,com > wrote in message
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> Oh no...that's what my singer said. :-)
>
> "Kloka-mo'" <RobZon5XXX@XXXyahoo,com > wrote in message
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>> 1.
>>
>> --
>> -rob Bartlett, TN
>> O>
>> /(\)
>> ^^
>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo,com > wrote in message
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>>> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=9HLOS2fi2Vo
>>>
>>> There was a minor debate during our practice last week. I ended up just
>>> watching the drummer's hands and we did it successfully, but it would be
>>> slick to come to some agreement on the issue. Sounds like 3-1/2 - ish to
>>> me.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?

Oh, but regardless, I may have counted it wrong, sitting at my PC, but, as I
don't *count* when I play <unless it's really tricky> I guarantee I would
have came in exact. Every time.

I had a good guitarist once who for some strange reason, could not get the
intro to "Back on the Chain Gang" rhythmically correct. Just one of those
things. Wish I could spell anomaly, cause' that's what it wuz'.

--
-rob Bartlett, TN
O>
/(\)
^^

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?

Kloka-mo' wrote:
> 1.
>

That might actually be right, too.

--
Les Cargill

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?

I agree with Frederic. If you count the beats out including sixteenth
notes it sounds like 1 ee and uh 2 ee and uh 3 ee and uh 4 ee and uh.
The first note I hear comes in on the ee after the 4, so 4 and 1/16th,
just prior to the upbeat.


JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=9HLOS2fi2Vo
>
> There was a minor debate during our practice last week. I ended up just
> watching the drummer's hands and we did it successfully, but it would be
> slick to come to some agreement on the issue. Sounds like 3-1/2 - ish to me.
>
>

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:55:56 GMT, OscartheGrouch
<tondaleo@hotmail,com > wrote:

>I agree with Frederic. If you count the beats out including sixteenth
>notes it sounds like 1 ee and uh 2 ee and uh 3 ee and uh 4 ee and uh.
>The first note I hear comes in on the ee after the 4, so 4 and 1/16th,
>just prior to the upbeat.

Correct.

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:55:56 GMT, OscartheGrouch
<tondaleo@hotmail,com > wrote:

>I agree with Frederic. If you count the beats out including sixteenth
>notes it sounds like 1 ee and uh 2 ee and uh 3 ee and uh 4 ee and uh.
>The first note I hear comes in on the ee after the 4, so 4 and 1/16th,
>just prior to the upbeat.

Just as a side note, this is also where the song "Rock and Roll" by
Led Zeppelin starts out, and this is why most drummers can't play it
and most other people in the band have no idea how to come in, as most
people think it starts out on the one. But it starts on the E of 4.
It is also the exact drum riff that starts off "Keep a-Knockin'" by
Little Richard, but for some reason it's easier to feel the one on
"Keep a-Knockin'."

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?


"OscartheGrouch" <tondaleo@hotmail,com > wrote in message
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>I agree with Frederic. If you count the beats out including sixteenth notes
>it sounds like 1 ee and uh 2 ee and uh 3 ee and uh 4 ee and uh.
> The first note I hear comes in on the ee after the 4, so 4 and 1/16th,
> just prior to the upbeat.

Yep, that's what I got. The second note is on the 4 "and", then the
downbeat.

- Gary Rosen

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=9HLOS2fi2Vo
>
> There was a minor debate during our practice last week. I ended up just
> watching the drummer's hands and we did it successfully, but it would be
> slick to come to some agreement on the issue. Sounds like 3-1/2 - ish to me.
>
>

It's very lightly rubato. Listen to the reprise of the intro before he
starts singing. Some beats are more equal than others in that phrase.

And of four, by way of an answer. But it's a little early. If I *REALLY*
hadda know, I would put it up in a DAW with a grid going on...

--
Les Cargill

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?

On Apr 16, 12:54 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborea...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=9HLOS2fi2Vo
>
> There was a minor debate during our practice last week. I ended up just
> watching the drummer's hands and we did it successfully, but it would be
> slick to come to some agreement on the issue. Sounds like 3-1/2 - ish to me.

The "e" of 4.

Beat 4 of the count in is rest sixteenth sixteenth rest.

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?

JoeSpareBedroom <dishborealis@yahoo,com > wrote:
> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=9HLOS2fi2Vo
>
> There was a minor debate during our practice last week. I ended up
> just watching the drummer's hands and we did it successfully, but it
> would be slick to come to some agreement on the issue. Sounds like
> 3-1/2 - ish to me.

Reminds me of a situation that occurred back in my band during
high-school days ('64-ish). The song was Love Potion #9. The song
starts on a 4 1/2, as this one does, and the lead singer's supposed to
come in on the upbeat of beat 1 in the next measure. The guy who sang
the song with us, who was the rhythm guitarist, could *NOT GET IT*!
We'd spin the disc over and over, and it just didn't register with him.

We replaced him with a guy who couldn't sing as well and didn't play an
instrument (unless you count a tambourine). I took on a combined
lead/rhythm guitar role. It didn't matter. Being in time is more
important.

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?

"RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo,com > wrote in message
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> JoeSpareBedroom <dishborealis@yahoo,com > wrote:
>> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=9HLOS2fi2Vo
>>
>> There was a minor debate during our practice last week. I ended up
>> just watching the drummer's hands and we did it successfully, but it
>> would be slick to come to some agreement on the issue. Sounds like
>> 3-1/2 - ish to me.
>
> Reminds me of a situation that occurred back in my band during
> high-school days ('64-ish). The song was Love Potion #9. The song
> starts on a 4 1/2, as this one does, and the lead singer's supposed to
> come in on the upbeat of beat 1 in the next measure. The guy who sang
> the song with us, who was the rhythm guitarist, could *NOT GET IT*!
> We'd spin the disc over and over, and it just didn't register with him.
>
> We replaced him with a guy who couldn't sing as well and didn't play an
> instrument (unless you count a tambourine). I took on a combined
> lead/rhythm guitar role. It didn't matter. Being in time is more
> important.
>
>


I can't be too critical of musicians who don't "get" a song, as long as it's
not happening too often. Here's one I couldn't wrap my head around:

http :// www .imeem,com /spankmehard/music/qhL73cnt/shemekia_copeland_honey_do_that_voodoo/

Is that ridiculous, or what? Simplest song imaginable, but it just didn't
work its way into my brain. We took it off the list.

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?

I still - STILL - can't wrap my head around the Talking Heads "Once In A
Lifetime". I mean, I can conceptualize that it's the vocal phrasing that
turns the beat around, etc, but for the life of me, I just can't FEEL it -
or rather, I can't feel how Weymoth and Frantz DON'T feel the switch, and
just play seamlessly throughout.

It fascinates the living fuck out of me how they even came up with that.


"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo,com > wrote in message
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> "RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo,com > wrote in message
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> > JoeSpareBedroom <dishborealis@yahoo,com > wrote:
> >> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=9HLOS2fi2Vo
> >>
> >> There was a minor debate during our practice last week. I ended up
> >> just watching the drummer's hands and we did it successfully, but it
> >> would be slick to come to some agreement on the issue. Sounds like
> >> 3-1/2 - ish to me.
> >
> > Reminds me of a situation that occurred back in my band during
> > high-school days ('64-ish). The song was Love Potion #9. The song
> > starts on a 4 1/2, as this one does, and the lead singer's supposed to
> > come in on the upbeat of beat 1 in the next measure. The guy who sang
> > the song with us, who was the rhythm guitarist, could *NOT GET IT*!
> > We'd spin the disc over and over, and it just didn't register with him.
> >
> > We replaced him with a guy who couldn't sing as well and didn't play an
> > instrument (unless you count a tambourine). I took on a combined
> > lead/rhythm guitar role. It didn't matter. Being in time is more
> > important.
> >
> >
>
>
> I can't be too critical of musicians who don't "get" a song, as long as
it's
> not happening too often. Here's one I couldn't wrap my head around:
>
>
http :// www .imeem,com /spankmehard/music/qhL73cnt/shemekia_copeland_honey_do_that_voodoo/
>
> Is that ridiculous, or what? Simplest song imaginable, but it just didn't
> work its way into my brain. We took it off the list.
>
>

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?


"RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo,com > wrote in message
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> The song
> starts on a 4 1/2, as this one does,

No, as a few others have said here it starts on "e" of 4 e and uh (sixteenth
notes).

- Gary Rosen

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?

I respectfully disagree with that. It sounds like it's SUPPOSED to start on
the "an", but the guitars jump in slightly early and push the time. That
first "tutti" note sounds like total chaos to me. They nail the downbeat
though.

As an aside to no one in particular - that anyone would TRY to imitate that
into exactly strikes me as very amusing. It reminds me of the people who try
to notate the "Black Dog" breaks in all sorts of bizarre time signatures...


"Gary Rosen" <garymrosen@comcast,net > wrote in message
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> "RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo,com > wrote in message
> news:pyyNj.9306$XF3.2429@trnddc04...
> > The song
> > starts on a 4 1/2, as this one does,
>
> No, as a few others have said here it starts on "e" of 4 e and uh
(sixteenth
> notes).
>
> - Gary Rosen
>
>