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What to do about a trainwreck?
Re: What to do about a trainwreck?
On May 12, 1:35 pm, "Axtman" <daxtATpacifierDOTcom> wrote:
> Okay this has happened to everyone and WILL happen to everyone.....unless
> you are perfect and then you need to find another newsgroup.
>
> Anyhow, how do you gracefully get out of a trainwreck? Last night both
> guitar players, the bass player (me) and the singer got lost. The only good
> thing was that the drummer stayed on. So who should give and who should
> charge on?
>
> Thanks,
> DA
Gee, I always thought the term "Train Wreck" reffered to a bad ending
of a song.
On May 12, 1:35 pm, "Axtman" <daxtATpacifierDOTcom> wrote:
> Okay this has happened to everyone and WILL happen to everyone.....unless
> you are perfect and then you need to find another newsgroup.
>
> Anyhow, how do you gracefully get out of a trainwreck? Last night both
> guitar players, the bass player (me) and the singer got lost. The only good
> thing was that the drummer stayed on. So who should give and who should
> charge on?
>
> Thanks,
> DA
Gee, I always thought the term "Train Wreck" reffered to a bad ending
of a song.
Re: What to do about a trainwreck?
Eat Me, Trolls wrote:
> On May 12, 1:35 pm, "Axtman" <daxtATpacifierDOTcom> wrote:
>> Okay this has happened to everyone and WILL happen to everyone.....unless
>> you are perfect and then you need to find another newsgroup.
>>
>> Anyhow, how do you gracefully get out of a trainwreck? Last night both
>> guitar players, the bass player (me) and the singer got lost. The only good
>> thing was that the drummer stayed on. So who should give and who should
>> charge on?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> DA
>
> Gee, I always thought the term "Train Wreck" reffered to a bad ending
> of a song.
If the ending is bad enough, it could force it's entry somewhere in the
middle of the song. Not that I've ever had that happen.....
Monkey Pi
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Eat Me, Trolls wrote:
> On May 12, 1:35 pm, "Axtman" <daxtATpacifierDOTcom> wrote:
>> Okay this has happened to everyone and WILL happen to everyone.....unless
>> you are perfect and then you need to find another newsgroup.
>>
>> Anyhow, how do you gracefully get out of a trainwreck? Last night both
>> guitar players, the bass player (me) and the singer got lost. The only good
>> thing was that the drummer stayed on. So who should give and who should
>> charge on?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> DA
>
> Gee, I always thought the term "Train Wreck" reffered to a bad ending
> of a song.
If the ending is bad enough, it could force it's entry somewhere in the
middle of the song. Not that I've ever had that happen.....
Monkey Pi
--
|o| o , o ,' o , |o|
|O| <%'. `' === <\ |O|
(0) / | ( )`-' | / | (0)
p-----MonkeyMonkeyMonkey-----q
Re: What to do about a trainwreck?
On May 12, 3:35 pm, "Axtman" <daxtATpacifierDOTcom> wrote:
So who should give and who should
> charge on?
>
> Thanks,
> DA
ALWAYS follow the singer.
Pt
On May 12, 3:35 pm, "Axtman" <daxtATpacifierDOTcom> wrote:
So who should give and who should
> charge on?
>
> Thanks,
> DA
ALWAYS follow the singer.
Pt
Re: What to do about a trainwreck?
"Axtman" <daxtATpacifierDOTcom> wrote in message
news:Frqdnbt22fHrNLXVnZ2dnUVZ_rzinZ2d@posted.palinacquisition...
> Okay this has happened to everyone and WILL happen to everyone.....unless
> you are perfect and then you need to find another newsgroup.
>
> Anyhow, how do you gracefully get out of a trainwreck? Last night both
> guitar players, the bass player (me) and the singer got lost. The only
> good thing was that the drummer stayed on. So who should give and who
> should charge on?
You can only figure this out in real time. Usually if the bassist
is strong he can "pull" the rest of the band back on but if
it's not happening you gotta go with the flow. If nothing
works, pretend nothing happened and then kick butt
the rest of the night. Whatever you do, *don't* call
attention to it - there will be at least a few people in
the audience who thought it was a great improvisational
extravaganza.
- Gary Rosen
"Axtman" <daxtATpacifierDOTcom> wrote in message
news:Frqdnbt22fHrNLXVnZ2dnUVZ_rzinZ2d@posted.palinacquisition...
> Okay this has happened to everyone and WILL happen to everyone.....unless
> you are perfect and then you need to find another newsgroup.
>
> Anyhow, how do you gracefully get out of a trainwreck? Last night both
> guitar players, the bass player (me) and the singer got lost. The only
> good thing was that the drummer stayed on. So who should give and who
> should charge on?
You can only figure this out in real time. Usually if the bassist
is strong he can "pull" the rest of the band back on but if
it's not happening you gotta go with the flow. If nothing
works, pretend nothing happened and then kick butt
the rest of the night. Whatever you do, *don't* call
attention to it - there will be at least a few people in
the audience who thought it was a great improvisational
extravaganza.
- Gary Rosen
Re: What to do about a trainwreck?
"Axtman" <daxtATpacifierDOTcom> wrote in message
news:Frqdnbt22fHrNLXVnZ2dnUVZ_rzinZ2d@posted.palinacquisition...
> Okay this has happened to everyone and WILL happen to everyone.....unless
> you are perfect and then you need to find another newsgroup.
>
> Anyhow, how do you gracefully get out of a trainwreck? Last night both
> guitar players, the bass player (me) and the singer got lost. The only
> good thing was that the drummer stayed on. So who should give and who
> should charge on?
>
> Thanks,
> DA
>
Unless you have a pre-plan (my band does) you must keep the rhythm going on
the bass. Generally, play the I chord root if all else fails until you know
where to go. It IS better to play the wrong note than to lose the rhythm.
But anyhow, without a plan either follow the singer or look to the leader
for support if that isn't the same person. I think that train wrecks nearly
always start with the singer and it is least noticeable if you find where
they went. It's really fun when they change keys on you. I recall some
years back when I was playing with a band I didn't know fronted by a pretty
good girl singer. (I was on keyboard at the time) In the middle of a song
the girl got a panicked look on her face and made two jerky downward
gestures with her finger. I was impressed that everybody got the message
and the band gracefully stepped down two frets going to the higher pitched
bridge. The point there is that many wrecks can be avoided by paying
attention and recognizing a problem before it actually occurs.
Gerry
"Axtman" <daxtATpacifierDOTcom> wrote in message
news:Frqdnbt22fHrNLXVnZ2dnUVZ_rzinZ2d@posted.palinacquisition...
> Okay this has happened to everyone and WILL happen to everyone.....unless
> you are perfect and then you need to find another newsgroup.
>
> Anyhow, how do you gracefully get out of a trainwreck? Last night both
> guitar players, the bass player (me) and the singer got lost. The only
> good thing was that the drummer stayed on. So who should give and who
> should charge on?
>
> Thanks,
> DA
>
Unless you have a pre-plan (my band does) you must keep the rhythm going on
the bass. Generally, play the I chord root if all else fails until you know
where to go. It IS better to play the wrong note than to lose the rhythm.
But anyhow, without a plan either follow the singer or look to the leader
for support if that isn't the same person. I think that train wrecks nearly
always start with the singer and it is least noticeable if you find where
they went. It's really fun when they change keys on you. I recall some
years back when I was playing with a band I didn't know fronted by a pretty
good girl singer. (I was on keyboard at the time) In the middle of a song
the girl got a panicked look on her face and made two jerky downward
gestures with her finger. I was impressed that everybody got the message
and the band gracefully stepped down two frets going to the higher pitched
bridge. The point there is that many wrecks can be avoided by paying
attention and recognizing a problem before it actually occurs.
Gerry
