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Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers
Jim Carr <newsgroups@azwebpages,com > wrote in
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> The BorgMan wrote:
>> Jim Carr <newsgroups@azwebpages,com > wrote in
>> news:7PpSj.108508$497.103438@newsfe14.phx:
>>
>>> The BorgMan wrote:
>>>> Brian Running <brunning@XXameritechXX,net > wrote in news:fkoSj.3320
>>>> $1b7.2599@newssvr13.news.prodigy,net :
>>>>
>>>>>>> Uh oh! Not the dreaded closed mind! Maybe Neil Diamond and
>>>>>>> Barry Manilow tunes don't fit your band's set list, but that
>>>>>>> doesn't make it godawful music!
>>>>>> No, the fact that the songs are godawful, schmaltzy, overly
>>>>>> sappy, crap does.
>>>>> You're not a musician, are you, Aaron?
>>>> No, I'm a bass player.
>>>>
>>>> ...and I HATE trite lyrics and overly sentimental schmaltz - the
>>>> very stock and trade of Neil Diamond and Barry Manilow. It's pablum
>>>> at its finest.
>>> His name was Rico, he wore a diamond
>>> He was escorted to his chair, he saw Lola dancin' there
>>> And when she finished, he called her over
>>> But Rico went a bit too far, Tony sailed across the bar
>>> And then the punches flew and chairs were smashed in two
>>> There was blood and a single gun shot
>>> But just who shot who?
>>>
>>> I mean, how sentimental can you get?
>>
>> Good example... it's only trite and schmaltzy, but not sentimental.
>> It is pablum at its finest though.
>
> You need to get a dictionary. Schmaltzy is sentimental.
Schmaltz can either be excessively sentimental or excessively florid. The
above isn't sentimental, but it is excessively florid.
> As for trite,
> I'd say it was pretty fresh.
>
> This stuff is gold, baby, GOLD!
It's gold like American Idol... all in the pocket book.
--
Aaron
Jim Carr <newsgroups@azwebpages,com > wrote in
news:llqSj.108513$497.43005@newsfe14.phx:
> The BorgMan wrote:
>> Jim Carr <newsgroups@azwebpages,com > wrote in
>> news:7PpSj.108508$497.103438@newsfe14.phx:
>>
>>> The BorgMan wrote:
>>>> Brian Running <brunning@XXameritechXX,net > wrote in news:fkoSj.3320
>>>> $1b7.2599@newssvr13.news.prodigy,net :
>>>>
>>>>>>> Uh oh! Not the dreaded closed mind! Maybe Neil Diamond and
>>>>>>> Barry Manilow tunes don't fit your band's set list, but that
>>>>>>> doesn't make it godawful music!
>>>>>> No, the fact that the songs are godawful, schmaltzy, overly
>>>>>> sappy, crap does.
>>>>> You're not a musician, are you, Aaron?
>>>> No, I'm a bass player.
>>>>
>>>> ...and I HATE trite lyrics and overly sentimental schmaltz - the
>>>> very stock and trade of Neil Diamond and Barry Manilow. It's pablum
>>>> at its finest.
>>> His name was Rico, he wore a diamond
>>> He was escorted to his chair, he saw Lola dancin' there
>>> And when she finished, he called her over
>>> But Rico went a bit too far, Tony sailed across the bar
>>> And then the punches flew and chairs were smashed in two
>>> There was blood and a single gun shot
>>> But just who shot who?
>>>
>>> I mean, how sentimental can you get?
>>
>> Good example... it's only trite and schmaltzy, but not sentimental.
>> It is pablum at its finest though.
>
> You need to get a dictionary. Schmaltzy is sentimental.
Schmaltz can either be excessively sentimental or excessively florid. The
above isn't sentimental, but it is excessively florid.
> As for trite,
> I'd say it was pretty fresh.
>
> This stuff is gold, baby, GOLD!
It's gold like American Idol... all in the pocket book.
--
Aaron
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers
The BorgMan wrote:
>>>> I mean, how sentimental can you get?
>>> Good example... it's only trite and schmaltzy, but not sentimental.
>>> It is pablum at its finest though.
>> You need to get a dictionary. Schmaltzy is sentimental.
>
> Schmaltz can either be excessively sentimental or excessively florid. The
> above isn't sentimental, but it is excessively florid.
Like I said, you need a dictionary. No definition I found for schmaltz
mentions florid. Schmaltz comes from the Yiddish word for animal fat, so
I have no idea where you're getting florid from.
That said, the lyrics aren't florid either. They tell a story. To my the
lyrics to Copacabana are no more florid than those of Sublime's Date
Rape song.
She heard a noise and she looked through the door.
And saw a man shed never seen before.
Light skin, light blue eyes, a double-chin and a plastic smile.
Well, her eyebrow raised as he walked through the door
And took an empty seat next to her at the bar.
my brand new car is parked right outside. howd ya like to go for a ride?
And she said.wait a minute I have to think.
He said, thats fine. may I please buy you a drink
One drink turned into 3 or 4 and they left and got into his car
And they drove away someplace real far.
But, hey, if you don't like Manilow, that's your loss.
The BorgMan wrote:
>>>> I mean, how sentimental can you get?
>>> Good example... it's only trite and schmaltzy, but not sentimental.
>>> It is pablum at its finest though.
>> You need to get a dictionary. Schmaltzy is sentimental.
>
> Schmaltz can either be excessively sentimental or excessively florid. The
> above isn't sentimental, but it is excessively florid.
Like I said, you need a dictionary. No definition I found for schmaltz
mentions florid. Schmaltz comes from the Yiddish word for animal fat, so
I have no idea where you're getting florid from.
That said, the lyrics aren't florid either. They tell a story. To my the
lyrics to Copacabana are no more florid than those of Sublime's Date
Rape song.
She heard a noise and she looked through the door.
And saw a man shed never seen before.
Light skin, light blue eyes, a double-chin and a plastic smile.
Well, her eyebrow raised as he walked through the door
And took an empty seat next to her at the bar.
my brand new car is parked right outside. howd ya like to go for a ride?
And she said.wait a minute I have to think.
He said, thats fine. may I please buy you a drink
One drink turned into 3 or 4 and they left and got into his car
And they drove away someplace real far.
But, hey, if you don't like Manilow, that's your loss.
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers
Jim Carr <newsgroups@azwebpages,com > wrote in
news:X0OSj.108614$497.7267@newsfe14.phx:
> That said, the lyrics aren't florid either. They tell a story. To my
> the lyrics to Copacabana are no more florid than those of Sublime's
> Date Rape song.
>
> She heard a noise and she looked through the door.
> And saw a man shed never seen before.
> Light skin, light blue eyes, a double-chin and a plastic smile.
> Well, her eyebrow raised as he walked through the door
> And took an empty seat next to her at the bar.
> my brand new car is parked right outside. howd ya like to go for a
> ride? And she said.wait a minute I have to think.
> He said, thats fine. may I please buy you a drink
> One drink turned into 3 or 4 and they left and got into his car
> And they drove away someplace real far.
I'd probably say "Date Rape" is a bit overboard lyrically also... and I
like Sublime... but they did have some ridiculous lyrics on occassion.
--
Aaron
Jim Carr <newsgroups@azwebpages,com > wrote in
news:X0OSj.108614$497.7267@newsfe14.phx:
> That said, the lyrics aren't florid either. They tell a story. To my
> the lyrics to Copacabana are no more florid than those of Sublime's
> Date Rape song.
>
> She heard a noise and she looked through the door.
> And saw a man shed never seen before.
> Light skin, light blue eyes, a double-chin and a plastic smile.
> Well, her eyebrow raised as he walked through the door
> And took an empty seat next to her at the bar.
> my brand new car is parked right outside. howd ya like to go for a
> ride? And she said.wait a minute I have to think.
> He said, thats fine. may I please buy you a drink
> One drink turned into 3 or 4 and they left and got into his car
> And they drove away someplace real far.
I'd probably say "Date Rape" is a bit overboard lyrically also... and I
like Sublime... but they did have some ridiculous lyrics on occassion.
--
Aaron
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers
The BorgMan wrote:
> Brian Running <brunning@XXameritechXX,net > wrote in
> news:%wmSj.8018$iK6.3027@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc,com :
>
>
>> Uh oh! Not the dreaded closed mind! Maybe Neil Diamond and Barry
>> Manilow tunes don't fit your band's set list, but that doesn't make it
>> godawful music!
>
> No, the fact that the songs are godawful, schmaltzy, overly sappy, crap
> does.
>
There are no bad songs. Only bad performances.
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=kO4BF67pvsc
--
Les Cargill
The BorgMan wrote:
> Brian Running <brunning@XXameritechXX,net > wrote in
> news:%wmSj.8018$iK6.3027@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc,com :
>
>
>> Uh oh! Not the dreaded closed mind! Maybe Neil Diamond and Barry
>> Manilow tunes don't fit your band's set list, but that doesn't make it
>> godawful music!
>
> No, the fact that the songs are godawful, schmaltzy, overly sappy, crap
> does.
>
There are no bad songs. Only bad performances.
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=kO4BF67pvsc
--
Les Cargill
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers
Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote in news:481a5802$0$12968
$4c368faf@roadrunner,com :
> The BorgMan wrote:
>> Brian Running <brunning@XXameritechXX,net > wrote in
>> news:%wmSj.8018$iK6.3027@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc,com :
>>
>>
>>> Uh oh! Not the dreaded closed mind! Maybe Neil Diamond and Barry
>>> Manilow tunes don't fit your band's set list, but that doesn't make
it
>>> godawful music!
>>
>> No, the fact that the songs are godawful, schmaltzy, overly sappy,
crap
>> does.
>>
>
> There are no bad songs.
Dude... you can't tell me you've never heard _MscArthur Park_
--
Aaron
Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote in news:481a5802$0$12968
$4c368faf@roadrunner,com :
> The BorgMan wrote:
>> Brian Running <brunning@XXameritechXX,net > wrote in
>> news:%wmSj.8018$iK6.3027@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc,com :
>>
>>
>>> Uh oh! Not the dreaded closed mind! Maybe Neil Diamond and Barry
>>> Manilow tunes don't fit your band's set list, but that doesn't make
it
>>> godawful music!
>>
>> No, the fact that the songs are godawful, schmaltzy, overly sappy,
crap
>> does.
>>
>
> There are no bad songs.
Dude... you can't tell me you've never heard _MscArthur Park_
--
Aaron
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers
The BorgMan <me@me,net > wrote:
> Dude... you can't tell me you've never heard _MscArthur Park_
Hey!!! (showing my age).....I like that song!
The BorgMan <me@me,net > wrote:
> Dude... you can't tell me you've never heard _MscArthur Park_
Hey!!! (showing my age).....I like that song!
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers
RichL wrote:
> The BorgMan <me@me,net > wrote:
>
>> Dude... you can't tell me you've never heard MscArthur Park
>
> Hey!!! (showing my age).....I like that song!
>
Especially the Maynard Ferguson version (no words :)
RichL wrote:
> The BorgMan <me@me,net > wrote:
>
>> Dude... you can't tell me you've never heard MscArthur Park
>
> Hey!!! (showing my age).....I like that song!
>
Especially the Maynard Ferguson version (no words :)
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers
Gregory Rochford wrote:
> RichL wrote:
>> The BorgMan <me@me,net > wrote:
>>
>>> Dude... you can't tell me you've never heard MscArthur Park
>>
>> Hey!!! (showing my age).....I like that song!
>>
> Especially the Maynard Ferguson version (no words :)
EXACTLY.
--
Les Cargill
Gregory Rochford wrote:
> RichL wrote:
>> The BorgMan <me@me,net > wrote:
>>
>>> Dude... you can't tell me you've never heard MscArthur Park
>>
>> Hey!!! (showing my age).....I like that song!
>>
> Especially the Maynard Ferguson version (no words :)
EXACTLY.
--
Les Cargill
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers
RichL wrote:
> The BorgMan <me@me,net > wrote:
>
>> Dude... you can't tell me you've never heard MscArthur Park
>
> Hey!!! (showing my age).....I like that song!
>
>
To me, that's the sign of incredible writing.
A song so good it can rise above and overcome how awful it is.
You want to hate it, but that one time you're drinking a bit and you
can't help 'getting' it briefly (or not briefly).
Monkey Pi
--
|o| o , o ,' o , |o|
|O| <%'. `' === <\ |O|
(0) / | ( )`-' | / | (0)
p-----MonkeyMonkeyMonkey-----q
RichL wrote:
> The BorgMan <me@me,net > wrote:
>
>> Dude... you can't tell me you've never heard MscArthur Park
>
> Hey!!! (showing my age).....I like that song!
>
>
To me, that's the sign of incredible writing.
A song so good it can rise above and overcome how awful it is.
You want to hate it, but that one time you're drinking a bit and you
can't help 'getting' it briefly (or not briefly).
Monkey Pi
--
|o| o , o ,' o , |o|
|O| <%'. `' === <\ |O|
(0) / | ( )`-' | / | (0)
p-----MonkeyMonkeyMonkey-----q
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers
> A song so good it can rise above and overcome how awful it is.
This may get me into trouble but I've always liked McArthur Park. Or
at least I've never disliked it.
> A song so good it can rise above and overcome how awful it is.
This may get me into trouble but I've always liked McArthur Park. Or
at least I've never disliked it.
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers
iarwain <iarwain_8@hotmail,com > wrote:
>> A song so good it can rise above and overcome how awful it is.
>
> This may get me into trouble but I've always liked McArthur Park. Or
> at least I've never disliked it.
Yeah, Webb wrote some pretty cool tunes. And even Richard Harris's
singing can't conceal the integrity and quality of the underlying tune.
There are some really interesting (and nice) changes in there. I can't
help but think that Freddie Mercury was influenced a bit by it!
iarwain <iarwain_8@hotmail,com > wrote:
>> A song so good it can rise above and overcome how awful it is.
>
> This may get me into trouble but I've always liked McArthur Park. Or
> at least I've never disliked it.
Yeah, Webb wrote some pretty cool tunes. And even Richard Harris's
singing can't conceal the integrity and quality of the underlying tune.
There are some really interesting (and nice) changes in there. I can't
help but think that Freddie Mercury was influenced a bit by it!
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers
The BorgMan wrote:
> Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote in news:481a5802$0$12968
> $4c368faf@roadrunner,com :
>
>> The BorgMan wrote:
>>> Brian Running <brunning@XXameritechXX,net > wrote in
>>> news:%wmSj.8018$iK6.3027@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc,com :
>>>
>>>
>>>> Uh oh! Not the dreaded closed mind! Maybe Neil Diamond and Barry
>>>> Manilow tunes don't fit your band's set list, but that doesn't make
> it
>>>> godawful music!
>>> No, the fact that the songs are godawful, schmaltzy, overly sappy,
> crap
>>> does.
>>>
>> There are no bad songs.
>
> Dude... you can't tell me you've never heard MscArthur Park
>
http :// www .amazon,com /M-F-Horn-Vol-Maynard-Ferguson/dp/B0009NSDL6
--
Les Cargill
The BorgMan wrote:
> Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote in news:481a5802$0$12968
> $4c368faf@roadrunner,com :
>
>> The BorgMan wrote:
>>> Brian Running <brunning@XXameritechXX,net > wrote in
>>> news:%wmSj.8018$iK6.3027@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc,com :
>>>
>>>
>>>> Uh oh! Not the dreaded closed mind! Maybe Neil Diamond and Barry
>>>> Manilow tunes don't fit your band's set list, but that doesn't make
> it
>>>> godawful music!
>>> No, the fact that the songs are godawful, schmaltzy, overly sappy,
> crap
>>> does.
>>>
>> There are no bad songs.
>
> Dude... you can't tell me you've never heard MscArthur Park
>
http :// www .amazon,com /M-F-Horn-Vol-Maynard-Ferguson/dp/B0009NSDL6
--
Les Cargill
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers
Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote in news:481f4e08$0$7686
$4c368faf@roadrunner,com :
> The BorgMan wrote:
>> Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote in news:481a5802$0$12968
>> $4c368faf@roadrunner,com :
>>
>>> The BorgMan wrote:
>>>> Brian Running <brunning@XXameritechXX,net > wrote in
>>>> news:%wmSj.8018$iK6.3027@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc,com :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Uh oh! Not the dreaded closed mind! Maybe Neil Diamond and Barry
>>>>> Manilow tunes don't fit your band's set list, but that doesn't make
>> it
>>>>> godawful music!
>>>> No, the fact that the songs are godawful, schmaltzy, overly sappy,
>> crap
>>>> does.
>>>>
>>> There are no bad songs.
>>
>> Dude... you can't tell me you've never heard _MscArthur Park_
>>
>
> http :// www .amazon,com /M-F-Horn-Vol-Maynard-Ferguson/dp/B0009NSDL6
Take out the lyrics and it ain't the same song...
--
Aaron
Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote in news:481f4e08$0$7686
$4c368faf@roadrunner,com :
> The BorgMan wrote:
>> Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote in news:481a5802$0$12968
>> $4c368faf@roadrunner,com :
>>
>>> The BorgMan wrote:
>>>> Brian Running <brunning@XXameritechXX,net > wrote in
>>>> news:%wmSj.8018$iK6.3027@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc,com :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Uh oh! Not the dreaded closed mind! Maybe Neil Diamond and Barry
>>>>> Manilow tunes don't fit your band's set list, but that doesn't make
>> it
>>>>> godawful music!
>>>> No, the fact that the songs are godawful, schmaltzy, overly sappy,
>> crap
>>>> does.
>>>>
>>> There are no bad songs.
>>
>> Dude... you can't tell me you've never heard _MscArthur Park_
>>
>
> http :// www .amazon,com /M-F-Horn-Vol-Maynard-Ferguson/dp/B0009NSDL6
Take out the lyrics and it ain't the same song...
--
Aaron
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers
I was playing The River in the car last week, and my nine-year-old son asked
me how The Boss got "discovered" - "Was he in a talent show?" Yup, that
damn TV is sending society to hell in a garbage truck.
"Brian Running" <brunning@XXameritechXX,net > wrote in message
news:%wmSj.8018$iK6.3027@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc,com ...
>> But I imagine that, with the success of American Idol, the market is
>> permanently
>> flooded with every knucklehead who thinks being a karaoke weekend
>> warrior is all the training you need to be a rock 'n' roll star.
>
> Sure seems that way. It also seems that Guitar Hero has created the
> impression that hard work and talent are not really all that necessary to
> play an instrument well. I may be wrong, but I just don't see as many
> kids really working hard to get good at... well, to get good at anything,
> really.
>
>> To cap it off, he's got (IMHO) godawful taste in music. Tonight he
>> honestly suggested covering songs by both Neil Diamond (apparently
>> last night was Neil Diamond night on American Idol, which he watches
>> religiously, and which I've never seen) and -- wait for it -- Barry
>> Manilow.
>
> Uh oh! Not the dreaded closed mind! Maybe Neil Diamond and Barry Manilow
> tunes don't fit your band's set list, but that doesn't make it godawful
> music!
I was playing The River in the car last week, and my nine-year-old son asked
me how The Boss got "discovered" - "Was he in a talent show?" Yup, that
damn TV is sending society to hell in a garbage truck.
"Brian Running" <brunning@XXameritechXX,net > wrote in message
news:%wmSj.8018$iK6.3027@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc,com ...
>> But I imagine that, with the success of American Idol, the market is
>> permanently
>> flooded with every knucklehead who thinks being a karaoke weekend
>> warrior is all the training you need to be a rock 'n' roll star.
>
> Sure seems that way. It also seems that Guitar Hero has created the
> impression that hard work and talent are not really all that necessary to
> play an instrument well. I may be wrong, but I just don't see as many
> kids really working hard to get good at... well, to get good at anything,
> really.
>
>> To cap it off, he's got (IMHO) godawful taste in music. Tonight he
>> honestly suggested covering songs by both Neil Diamond (apparently
>> last night was Neil Diamond night on American Idol, which he watches
>> religiously, and which I've never seen) and -- wait for it -- Barry
>> Manilow.
>
> Uh oh! Not the dreaded closed mind! Maybe Neil Diamond and Barry Manilow
> tunes don't fit your band's set list, but that doesn't make it godawful
> music!
Re: Tonight's rant: Karaoke singers
On 1 May, 11:16, "Ian Hayward" <ianm.hayw...@ntlworld,com > wrote:
> I was playing The River in the car last week, and my nine-year-old son asked
> me how The Boss got "discovered" - "Was he in a talent show?" Yup, that
> damn TV is sending society to hell in a garbage truck.
Of course, Bruce, Dylan, and 99.98% of the world's best songwriters
would never get in the door at the American Idol auditions. Which is
fine, of course, they're still around, and Carrie Underwood
notwithstanding, I don't think many people will be able to name a
single AI contestant in ten years. But our singer also wants to cover
a Daughtry song, and it's some of the worst shite I've ever heard. The
guy may have pipes, but he (or whoever wrote it) couldn't write their
way out a wet paper bag with a pound of C-4 and the jaws of life.
-jb
On 1 May, 11:16, "Ian Hayward" <ianm.hayw...@ntlworld,com > wrote:
> I was playing The River in the car last week, and my nine-year-old son asked
> me how The Boss got "discovered" - "Was he in a talent show?" Yup, that
> damn TV is sending society to hell in a garbage truck.
Of course, Bruce, Dylan, and 99.98% of the world's best songwriters
would never get in the door at the American Idol auditions. Which is
fine, of course, they're still around, and Carrie Underwood
notwithstanding, I don't think many people will be able to name a
single AI contestant in ten years. But our singer also wants to cover
a Daughtry song, and it's some of the worst shite I've ever heard. The
guy may have pipes, but he (or whoever wrote it) couldn't write their
way out a wet paper bag with a pound of C-4 and the jaws of life.
-jb
