On what beat do you hear the beginning?

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?

"Les Cargill" <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote in message
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> jeffb wrote:
>> js wrote:
>>> It sounds like it's SUPPOSED to start on
>>> the "an", but the guitars jump in slightly early and push the time. That
>>> first "tutti" note sounds like total chaos to me. They nail the downbeat
>>> though.
>>
>> I agree. Counting strictly it does start on the "ee" but if I were
>> notating what I heard here on a chart I'd write it as a pushed "an".
>>
>
> There are triplets in there, sooo... that may account for the "half
> between-ness" of it.
>
> I would reinvent the intro myself. I don't particularly like that intro.
> Starting on a weird place with triplets is...just odd. It
> doesn't do anything for the song.
>
>>> As an aside to no one in particular - that anyone would TRY to imitate
>>> that
>>> into exactly strikes me as very amusing. It reminds me of the people who
>>> try
>>> to notate the "Black Dog" breaks in all sorts of bizarre time
>>> signatures...
>>
>> Yes.
>
> We used to try drummers out on "Go Your Own Way" by Fleetwood
> Mac. We didn't play the song, we just wanted to know if they could
> count. If they were not familiar with the song, we'd break it
> down for them.
>
> --
> Les Cargill

What threw some of them off? The thing with the toms during the verses?

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "Les Cargill" <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote in message
> news:4809166e$0$12963$4c368faf@roadrunner,com ...
>> jeffb wrote:
>>> js wrote:
>>>> It sounds like it's SUPPOSED to start on
>>>> the "an", but the guitars jump in slightly early and push the time. That
>>>> first "tutti" note sounds like total chaos to me. They nail the downbeat
>>>> though.
>>> I agree. Counting strictly it does start on the "ee" but if I were
>>> notating what I heard here on a chart I'd write it as a pushed "an".
>>>
>> There are triplets in there, sooo... that may account for the "half
>> between-ness" of it.
>>
>> I would reinvent the intro myself. I don't particularly like that intro.
>> Starting on a weird place with triplets is...just odd. It
>> doesn't do anything for the song.
>>
>>>> As an aside to no one in particular - that anyone would TRY to imitate
>>>> that
>>>> into exactly strikes me as very amusing. It reminds me of the people who
>>>> try
>>>> to notate the "Black Dog" breaks in all sorts of bizarre time
>>>> signatures...
>>> Yes.
>> We used to try drummers out on "Go Your Own Way" by Fleetwood
>> Mac. We didn't play the song, we just wanted to know if they could
>> count. If they were not familiar with the song, we'd break it
>> down for them.
>>
>> --
>> Les Cargill
>
> What threw some of them off? The thing with the toms during the verses?
>
>

The intro of that song , up to the chorus has almost nothing
on the one. I vaguely remember tom hits on 2 and the and of 3.

It was more a game of "where's the one", and on what note of the measure
does the initial guitar start. Acceptable answers were "I'd have to
listen to it" and whatever it is ( I no longer remember exactly, it was
like the two). If they had to listen to it, I'd explain it, then we'd
try it.

This was more about telling if they'd be able to figure it out
than "you're on the spot."

--
Les Cargill

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?

"Les Cargill" <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote in message
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> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "Les Cargill" <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote in message
>> news:4809166e$0$12963$4c368faf@roadrunner,com ...
>>> jeffb wrote:
>>>> js wrote:
>>>>> It sounds like it's SUPPOSED to start on
>>>>> the "an", but the guitars jump in slightly early and push the time.
>>>>> That
>>>>> first "tutti" note sounds like total chaos to me. They nail the
>>>>> downbeat
>>>>> though.
>>>> I agree. Counting strictly it does start on the "ee" but if I were
>>>> notating what I heard here on a chart I'd write it as a pushed "an".
>>>>
>>> There are triplets in there, sooo... that may account for the "half
>>> between-ness" of it.
>>>
>>> I would reinvent the intro myself. I don't particularly like that intro.
>>> Starting on a weird place with triplets is...just odd. It
>>> doesn't do anything for the song.
>>>
>>>>> As an aside to no one in particular - that anyone would TRY to imitate
>>>>> that
>>>>> into exactly strikes me as very amusing. It reminds me of the people
>>>>> who try
>>>>> to notate the "Black Dog" breaks in all sorts of bizarre time
>>>>> signatures...
>>>> Yes.
>>> We used to try drummers out on "Go Your Own Way" by Fleetwood
>>> Mac. We didn't play the song, we just wanted to know if they could
>>> count. If they were not familiar with the song, we'd break it
>>> down for them.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Les Cargill
>>
>> What threw some of them off? The thing with the toms during the verses?
>
> The intro of that song , up to the chorus has almost nothing
> on the one. I vaguely remember tom hits on 2 and the and of 3.
>
> It was more a game of "where's the one", and on what note of the measure
> does the initial guitar start. Acceptable answers were "I'd have to
> listen to it" and whatever it is ( I no longer remember exactly, it was
> like the two). If they had to listen to it, I'd explain it, then we'd
> try it.
>
> This was more about telling if they'd be able to figure it out
> than "you're on the spot."


"Where's that confounded bridge?"
-famous rock & roll person

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?


"Les Cargill" <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote in message
news:4809166e$0$12963$4c368faf@roadrunner,com ...
> jeffb wrote:
>> js wrote:
>>> It sounds like it's SUPPOSED to start on
>>> the "an", but the guitars jump in slightly early and push the time. That
>>> first "tutti" note sounds like total chaos to me. They nail the downbeat
>>> though.
>>
>> I agree. Counting strictly it does start on the "ee" but if I were
>> notating what I heard here on a chart I'd write it as a pushed "an".
>>
>
> There are triplets in there, sooo... that may account for the "half
> between-ness" of it.

I don't hear any triplets, the song clearly has an underlying
funk/16th note feel to it.

- Gary Rosen

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?

Gary Rosen wrote:
> "Les Cargill" <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote in message
> news:4809166e$0$12963$4c368faf@roadrunner,com ...
>> jeffb wrote:
>>> js wrote:
>>>> It sounds like it's SUPPOSED to start on
>>>> the "an", but the guitars jump in slightly early and push the time. That
>>>> first "tutti" note sounds like total chaos to me. They nail the downbeat
>>>> though.
>>> I agree. Counting strictly it does start on the "ee" but if I were
>>> notating what I heard here on a chart I'd write it as a pushed "an".
>>>
>> There are triplets in there, sooo... that may account for the "half
>> between-ness" of it.
>
> I don't hear any triplets, the song clearly has an underlying
> funk/16th note feel to it.
>
> - Gary Rosen
>
>

"Triplets" is admittedly not a very good term.

I'm really not sure what to call that James Brown underlying
shuffle ... thing. It's like there's a blindingly fast
6/8 pattern *way* underneath all that ... or something.
That's part of the mojo of that style, though... hard to describe.

A better word my be "swing". I dunno.

--
Les Cargill

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?

"Les Cargill" <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote in message
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> Gary Rosen wrote:
>> "Les Cargill" <lcargill@cfl.rr,com > wrote in message
>> news:4809166e$0$12963$4c368faf@roadrunner,com ...
>>> jeffb wrote:
>>>> js wrote:
>>>>> It sounds like it's SUPPOSED to start on
>>>>> the "an", but the guitars jump in slightly early and push the time.
>>>>> That
>>>>> first "tutti" note sounds like total chaos to me. They nail the
>>>>> downbeat
>>>>> though.
>>>> I agree. Counting strictly it does start on the "ee" but if I were
>>>> notating what I heard here on a chart I'd write it as a pushed "an".
>>>>
>>> There are triplets in there, sooo... that may account for the "half
>>> between-ness" of it.
>>
>> I don't hear any triplets, the song clearly has an underlying
>> funk/16th note feel to it.
>>
>> - Gary Rosen
>
> "Triplets" is admittedly not a very good term.
>
> I'm really not sure what to call that James Brown underlying
> shuffle ... thing. It's like there's a blindingly fast
> 6/8 pattern *way* underneath all that ... or something.
> That's part of the mojo of that style, though... hard to describe.
>
> A better word my be "swing". I dunno.
>
> --
> Les Cargill


Whatever it's called, any time my previous band played the song, everyone
and everything in the room started dancing. Chairs, light fixtures, the ice
machine, people. We were fortunate enough to have a sax player who'd go
apeshit with the solo. That was like pouring lighter fluid on the stage and
tossing a match.

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?


"js" <nothing AT nothing DOT com> wrote in message
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>I respectfully disagree with that. It sounds like it's SUPPOSED to start on
> the "an", but the guitars jump in slightly early and push the time. That
> first "tutti" note sounds like total chaos to me. They nail the downbeat
> though.
>
> As an aside to no one in particular - that anyone would TRY to imitate
> that
> into exactly strikes me as very amusing. It reminds me of the people who
> try
> to notate the "Black Dog" breaks in all sorts of bizarre time
> signatures...

You may be right, John. I listened to it some more, and
if you pay attention to the drummer's "count off" with his
sticks he is counting *faster* than the tempo the band
settles into. That probably explains the sloppiness of
the intro, at about 0:30 they play the same figure again
"in the flow" and nail it much better.

- Gary Rosen

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?

Oh, what the heck:

It sounded like a rushed "and" of beat 4 to me. 2 16th note pickups

"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo,com > wrote in message
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> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=9HLOS2fi2Vo
>
> There was a minor debate during our practice last week. I ended up just
> watching the drummer's hands and we did it successfully, but it would be
> slick to come to some agreement on the issue. Sounds like 3-1/2 - ish to
me.
>
>

Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?

Damn english language... I meant 4 and a 16th. By the way, isn't it
silly to call the notes whole, half, quarter, etc...? It just works
when you play in 4/4 ! Anyway. It is 4 and a 16th.

In school I learned to count "One-ee and a two-ee and a three-ee and a
four-ee and a" .......,com es up to sixteen beats in Four. Youi can use it
in any time sig.

I hear it same as Frederic......only with my terminology it is on the "ee"
of Four!!


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Re: On what beat do you hear the beginning?

> There was a minor debate during our practice last week. I ended up just
> watching the drummer's hands and we did it successfully, but it would be
> slick to come to some agreement on the issue. Sounds like 3-1/2 - ish to
> me.


1
Seems to me that it would be easy to play if you conceive of it as two grace
notes leading to 1. So 1, 2, 3, 4 ba ba Bum