Wah wah

Wah wah

Has anyone had any success running a wah wah through the effects loop,
or is it impossible?

Re: Wah wah

TDaoukas@gmail . com wrote in news:1174499740.944897.257740
@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups . com :

> Has anyone had any success running a wah wah through the effects loop,
> or is it impossible?
>
>

By definition, it's undesirable. The loop puts out a steady input signal -
a guitar doesn't, and that's what a wah reacts to.

It will work to a certain degree - but, look at it from the mechanics of it
and you'll see why it will suck.

Re: Wah wah

>>The loop puts out a steady input signal

Hows that? The loop is simply a tap into the signal chain somewhere
before the power tubes. It is not more "steady" than the input signal
from your guitar. It is "amplified" by the gain stages and eq stages
that come before the loop, but it will still vary with your playing.

Now, having said that, it is undesirable. The Wah Wah is often the first
pedal in the signal chain, and for good reason. If in the loop, you will
be altering the tone of a distorted, eq'd signal.



The Chris wrote:
> TDaoukas@gmail . com wrote in news:1174499740.944897.257740
> @l77g2000hsb.googlegroups . com :
>
>> Has anyone had any success running a wah wah through the effects loop,
>> or is it impossible?
>>
>>
>
> By definition, it's undesirable. The loop puts out a steady input signal -
> a guitar doesn't, and that's what a wah reacts to.
>
> It will work to a certain degree - but, look at it from the mechanics of it
> and you'll see why it will suck.

Re: Wah wah

Steve L wrote:

> >>The loop puts out a steady input signal
>
> Hows that? The loop is simply a tap into the signal chain somewhere
> before the power tubes. It is not more "steady" than the input signal
> from your guitar. It is "amplified" by the gain stages and eq stages
> that come before the loop, but it will still vary with your playing.
>
> Now, having said that, it is undesirable. The Wah Wah is often the first
> pedal in the signal chain, and for good reason. If in the loop, you will
> be altering the tone of a distorted, eq'd signal.

...not to mention overdriving and distorting the wah itself. I suspect
line level would be too much for most, if not all, wah circuits.

>
>
>
> The Chris wrote:
>
>> TDaoukas@gmail . com wrote in news:1174499740.944897.257740
>> @l77g2000hsb.googlegroups . com :
>>
>>> Has anyone had any success running a wah wah through the effects loop,
>>> or is it impossible?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> By definition, it's undesirable. The loop puts out a steady input
>> signal - a guitar doesn't, and that's what a wah reacts to.
>>
>> It will work to a certain degree - but, look at it from the mechanics
>> of it and you'll see why it will suck.

Re: Wah wah

Steve L <surfer_nospam@nospam_sliberty . com > wrote in
news:2eKdnV52Br-oPJzbnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@comcast . com :

> >>The loop puts out a steady input signal
>
> Hows that? The loop is simply a tap into the signal chain somewhere
> before the power tubes. It is not more "steady" than the input signal
> from your guitar. It is "amplified" by the gain stages and eq stages
> that come before the loop, but it will still vary with your playing.
>
> Now, having said that, it is undesirable. The Wah Wah is often the
> first pedal in the signal chain, and for good reason. If in the loop,
> you will be altering the tone of a distorted, eq'd signal.
>
>
>
> The Chris wrote:
>> TDaoukas@gmail . com wrote in news:1174499740.944897.257740
>> @l77g2000hsb.googlegroups . com :
>>
>>> Has anyone had any success running a wah wah through the effects
>>> loop, or is it impossible?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> By definition, it's undesirable. The loop puts out a steady input
>> signal - a guitar doesn't, and that's what a wah reacts to.
>>
>> It will work to a certain degree - but, look at it from the mechanics
>> of it and you'll see why it will suck.
>

Loops are Line Level - typically. Guitars put out MUCH less power. Wahs
are designed for that low power level. I think if you had a wah designed
to accept line level input it would work.

Re: Wah wah

On Mar 21, 6:28 pm, The Chris <cab...@nospam.hotmail . com > wrote:
> Steve L <surfer nospam@nospam sliberty . com > wrote innews:2eKdnV52Br-oPJzbnZ2dnUVZ sqdnZ2d@comcast . com :
>
>
>
>
>
> > >>The loop puts out a steady input signal
>
> > Hows that? The loop is simply a tap into the signal chain somewhere
> > before the power tubes. It is not more "steady" than the input signal
> > from your guitar. It is "amplified" by the gain stages and eq stages
> > that come before the loop, but it will still vary with your playing.
>
> > Now, having said that, it is undesirable. The Wah Wah is often the
> > first pedal in the signal chain, and for good reason. If in the loop,
> > you will be altering the tone of a distorted, eq'd signal.
>
> > The Chris wrote:
> >> TDaou...@gmail . com wrote in news:1174499740.944897.257740
> >> @l77g2000hsb.googlegroups . com :
>
> >>> Has anyone had any success running a wah wah through the effects
> >>> loop, or is it impossible?
>
> >> By definition, it's undesirable. The loop puts out a steady input
> >> signal - a guitar doesn't, and that's what a wah reacts to.
>
> >> It will work to a certain degree - but, look at it from the mechanics
> >> of it and you'll see why it will suck.
>
> Loops are Line Level - typically. Guitars put out MUCH less power. Wahs
> are designed for that low power level. I think if you had a wah designed
> to accept line level input it would work.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks everyone. Another question......How about the Tuner? Is it
better to have that in front, or through a loop?

Re: Wah wah

TDaoukas@gmail . com wrote in
news:1174597086.064423.310370@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups . com :

> On Mar 21, 6:28 pm, The Chris <cab...@nospam.hotmail . com > wrote:
>> Steve L <surfer_nospam@nospam_sliberty . com > wrote
>> innews:2eKdnV52Br-oPJzbnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@comcast . com :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > >>The loop puts out a steady input signal
>>
>> > Hows that? The loop is simply a tap into the signal chain somewhere
>> > before the power tubes. It is not more "steady" than the input
>> > signal from your guitar. It is "amplified" by the gain stages and
>> > eq stages that come before the loop, but it will still vary with
>> > your playing.
>>
>> > Now, having said that, it is undesirable. The Wah Wah is often the
>> > first pedal in the signal chain, and for good reason. If in the
>> > loop, you will be altering the tone of a distorted, eq'd signal.
>>
>> > The Chris wrote:
>> >> TDaou...@gmail . com wrote in news:1174499740.944897.257740
>> >> @l77g2000hsb.googlegroups . com :
>>
>> >>> Has anyone had any success running a wah wah through the effects
>> >>> loop, or is it impossible?
>>
>> >> By definition, it's undesirable. The loop puts out a steady input
>> >> signal - a guitar doesn't, and that's what a wah reacts to.
>>
>> >> It will work to a certain degree - but, look at it from the
>> >> mechanics of it and you'll see why it will suck.
>>
>> Loops are Line Level - typically. Guitars put out MUCH less power.
>> Wahs are designed for that low power level. I think if you had a wah
>> designed to accept line level input it would work.- Hide quoted text
>> -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Thanks everyone. Another question......How about the Tuner? Is it
> better to have that in front, or through a loop?
>
>

Let's cut to the chase here.. the only things that should be in loops are
time-based effects like Flangers and Delays and Reverbs, etc.

Tuners don't add to your sound - but they should get the 'cleanest'
signal (for tuning purposes) so, they should be first too :)

On my rig - my wah is first - but it's a true-bypass wah, so, when it's
off, it's OUT of the chain. Next thing is my tuner.

If you're doing a LIVE rig - get something good like a Boss TU-2 -
something that will mute the signal when you're tuning...

Enjoy