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Getting sustain
I am learning to play Europa and can't hold the F at the 13th fret for any
where near as long as it should play. Using feedback is not an option as I
am playing a Variax 600 so no pickups.
The sound is going through a Boss ME 50 usually using distort, delay and
sustain set to full into a Marshal MG 15dfx, its possible to get decent
sustain on the E,A,D and G strings but not on the others.
I have heard of Ibenez screamer pedals, would one of those help or is there
anything else to do it, thanks in advance for any suggestions?
Lee
I am learning to play Europa and can't hold the F at the 13th fret for any
where near as long as it should play. Using feedback is not an option as I
am playing a Variax 600 so no pickups.
The sound is going through a Boss ME 50 usually using distort, delay and
sustain set to full into a Marshal MG 15dfx, its possible to get decent
sustain on the E,A,D and G strings but not on the others.
I have heard of Ibenez screamer pedals, would one of those help or is there
anything else to do it, thanks in advance for any suggestions?
Lee
Re: Getting sustain
"Lee" <me@localhost> wrote in message
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>
>
> I am learning to play Europa and can't hold the F at the 13th fret for any
> where near as long as it should play. Using feedback is not an option as I
> am playing a Variax 600 so no pickups.
>
> The sound is going through a Boss ME 50 usually using distort, delay and
> sustain set to full into a Marshal MG 15dfx, its possible to get decent
> sustain on the E,A,D and G strings but not on the others.
>
> I have heard of Ibenez screamer pedals, would one of those help or is
> there anything else to do it, thanks in advance for any suggestions?
>
> Lee
>
>
>
I'd use a compressor for this.
I have the levels and threshhold set to max,giving me a lot of sustain.
I use a Digitech GNX3000 so don't know if the same applies to your boss and
Variax.
I'm sure someone more knowledgable may help out too!!!
david
"Lee" <me@localhost> wrote in message
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>
>
> I am learning to play Europa and can't hold the F at the 13th fret for any
> where near as long as it should play. Using feedback is not an option as I
> am playing a Variax 600 so no pickups.
>
> The sound is going through a Boss ME 50 usually using distort, delay and
> sustain set to full into a Marshal MG 15dfx, its possible to get decent
> sustain on the E,A,D and G strings but not on the others.
>
> I have heard of Ibenez screamer pedals, would one of those help or is
> there anything else to do it, thanks in advance for any suggestions?
>
> Lee
>
>
>
I'd use a compressor for this.
I have the levels and threshhold set to max,giving me a lot of sustain.
I use a Digitech GNX3000 so don't know if the same applies to your boss and
Variax.
I'm sure someone more knowledgable may help out too!!!
david
Re: Getting sustain
david wrote:
> "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote in message
> news:4612502a$0$19250$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>> The sound is going through a Boss ME 50 usually using distort, delay and
>> sustain set to full into a Marshal MG 15dfx, its possible to get decent
>> sustain on the E,A,D and G strings but not on the others.
> I'd use a compressor for this.
That was my first thought, too. But isn't the "sustainer" of his ME-50
a (kind of) compressor?
david wrote:
> "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote in message
> news:4612502a$0$19250$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>> The sound is going through a Boss ME 50 usually using distort, delay and
>> sustain set to full into a Marshal MG 15dfx, its possible to get decent
>> sustain on the E,A,D and G strings but not on the others.
> I'd use a compressor for this.
That was my first thought, too. But isn't the "sustainer" of his ME-50
a (kind of) compressor?
Re: Getting sustain
On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:01:55 +0100, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
>
>
>I am learning to play Europa and can't hold the F at the 13th fret for any
>where near as long as it should play. Using feedback is not an option as I
>am playing a Variax 600 so no pickups.
Feedback still works, the probem isn't the type of pickup, but the volume level.
You'll need to be at least shouting loud.
>The sound is going through a Boss ME 50 usually using distort, delay and
>sustain set to full into a Marshal MG 15dfx, its possible to get decent
>sustain on the E,A,D and G strings but not on the others.
>
>I have heard of Ibenez screamer pedals, would one of those help or is there
>anything else to do it, thanks in advance for any suggestions?
First, just so nobody else has to do it, I'll give you the gear-snob answer -
which is, in part, the correct answer. You've got something like 900million
transistors in the "signal path" of that digital->analog->digital->analog rig of
yours. The guitar provides a digital imitation of a real guitar that is
processed by the Boss's digital imitation of a real amp with imitation digital
effects.
Everything you've got is an imitation and you shouldn't be surprised that it
just doesn't play like the real thing.
One problem is that the Variax is a pretty crappy guitar - the sort you'd pay
maybe $200 if it weren't for all the crappy electronics which are somehow sold
as a "feature." Crappy guitars don't sustain well on all notes, it's sort of why
we think of them as crappy. There are some great guitars (SGs come to mind) that
have the same problem, but because they are so brilliant at everything else we
work around the issue. Do those notes sustain acoustically, that is when you
aren't plugged in? If it don't sustain without the amp it isn't going to sustain
when you plug it in.
Technique may also be an issue. It'll be very hard for you to know that or to
improve your technique because you're playing a pile of crap that doesn't really
respond like an actual guitar and amp.
The irony here is that you should be able to walk into any pawnshop and come out
with a $100 guitar that when plugged directly into that cheap Marshall will give
you the sustain you're looking for. That depends more than a little bit on
having the technique. There is no pedal, guitar, amp that will make you sound
like Santana. You've got to do that part.
Anyway, HTH.
Ron
Effect pedal demo's up at http :// www .soundclick,com /ronsonicpedalry
On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:01:55 +0100, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
>
>
>I am learning to play Europa and can't hold the F at the 13th fret for any
>where near as long as it should play. Using feedback is not an option as I
>am playing a Variax 600 so no pickups.
Feedback still works, the probem isn't the type of pickup, but the volume level.
You'll need to be at least shouting loud.
>The sound is going through a Boss ME 50 usually using distort, delay and
>sustain set to full into a Marshal MG 15dfx, its possible to get decent
>sustain on the E,A,D and G strings but not on the others.
>
>I have heard of Ibenez screamer pedals, would one of those help or is there
>anything else to do it, thanks in advance for any suggestions?
First, just so nobody else has to do it, I'll give you the gear-snob answer -
which is, in part, the correct answer. You've got something like 900million
transistors in the "signal path" of that digital->analog->digital->analog rig of
yours. The guitar provides a digital imitation of a real guitar that is
processed by the Boss's digital imitation of a real amp with imitation digital
effects.
Everything you've got is an imitation and you shouldn't be surprised that it
just doesn't play like the real thing.
One problem is that the Variax is a pretty crappy guitar - the sort you'd pay
maybe $200 if it weren't for all the crappy electronics which are somehow sold
as a "feature." Crappy guitars don't sustain well on all notes, it's sort of why
we think of them as crappy. There are some great guitars (SGs come to mind) that
have the same problem, but because they are so brilliant at everything else we
work around the issue. Do those notes sustain acoustically, that is when you
aren't plugged in? If it don't sustain without the amp it isn't going to sustain
when you plug it in.
Technique may also be an issue. It'll be very hard for you to know that or to
improve your technique because you're playing a pile of crap that doesn't really
respond like an actual guitar and amp.
The irony here is that you should be able to walk into any pawnshop and come out
with a $100 guitar that when plugged directly into that cheap Marshall will give
you the sustain you're looking for. That depends more than a little bit on
having the technique. There is no pedal, guitar, amp that will make you sound
like Santana. You've got to do that part.
Anyway, HTH.
Ron
Effect pedal demo's up at http :// www .soundclick,com /ronsonicpedalry
Re: Getting sustain
"RonSonic" <ronsonic@tampabay.rr,com > wrote in message
news:sdr413hc9ea2ohel9d6gpgci4ka1vb5p08@4ax,com ...
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:01:55 +0100, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>I am learning to play Europa and can't hold the F at the 13th fret for any
>>where near as long as it should play. Using feedback is not an option as I
>>am playing a Variax 600 so no pickups.
>
> Feedback still works, the probem isn't the type of pickup, but the volume
> level.
> You'll need to be at least shouting loud.
>
>>The sound is going through a Boss ME 50 usually using distort, delay and
>>sustain set to full into a Marshal MG 15dfx, its possible to get decent
>>sustain on the E,A,D and G strings but not on the others.
>>
>>I have heard of Ibenez screamer pedals, would one of those help or is
>>there
>>anything else to do it, thanks in advance for any suggestions?
>
> First, just so nobody else has to do it, I'll give you the gear-snob
> answer -
> which is, in part, the correct answer. You've got something like
> 900million
> transistors in the "signal path" of that digital->analog->digital->analog
> rig of
> yours. The guitar provides a digital imitation of a real guitar that is
> processed by the Boss's digital imitation of a real amp with imitation
> digital
> effects.
>
> Everything you've got is an imitation and you shouldn't be surprised that
> it
> just doesn't play like the real thing.
>
> One problem is that the Variax is a pretty crappy guitar - the sort you'd
> pay
> maybe $200 if it weren't for all the crappy electronics which are somehow
> sold
> as a "feature." Crappy guitars don't sustain well on all notes, it's sort
> of why
> we think of them as crappy. There are some great guitars (SGs come to
> mind) that
> have the same problem, but because they are so brilliant at everything
> else we
> work around the issue. Do those notes sustain acoustically, that is when
> you
> aren't plugged in? If it don't sustain without the amp it isn't going to
> sustain
> when you plug it in.
>
> Technique may also be an issue. It'll be very hard for you to know that or
> to
> improve your technique because you're playing a pile of crap that doesn't
> really
> respond like an actual guitar and amp.
>
> The irony here is that you should be able to walk into any pawnshop and
> come out
> with a $100 guitar that when plugged directly into that cheap Marshall
> will give
> you the sustain you're looking for. That depends more than a little bit on
> having the technique. There is no pedal, guitar, amp that will make you
> sound
> like Santana. You've got to do that part.
>
> Anyway, HTH.
>
>
>
> Ron
>
> Effect pedal demo's up at http :// www .soundclick,com /ronsonicpedalry
The guitar seemed ok when I did Samba pa ti =/
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=IJnOCNa-gs4
>
"RonSonic" <ronsonic@tampabay.rr,com > wrote in message
news:sdr413hc9ea2ohel9d6gpgci4ka1vb5p08@4ax,com ...
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:01:55 +0100, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>I am learning to play Europa and can't hold the F at the 13th fret for any
>>where near as long as it should play. Using feedback is not an option as I
>>am playing a Variax 600 so no pickups.
>
> Feedback still works, the probem isn't the type of pickup, but the volume
> level.
> You'll need to be at least shouting loud.
>
>>The sound is going through a Boss ME 50 usually using distort, delay and
>>sustain set to full into a Marshal MG 15dfx, its possible to get decent
>>sustain on the E,A,D and G strings but not on the others.
>>
>>I have heard of Ibenez screamer pedals, would one of those help or is
>>there
>>anything else to do it, thanks in advance for any suggestions?
>
> First, just so nobody else has to do it, I'll give you the gear-snob
> answer -
> which is, in part, the correct answer. You've got something like
> 900million
> transistors in the "signal path" of that digital->analog->digital->analog
> rig of
> yours. The guitar provides a digital imitation of a real guitar that is
> processed by the Boss's digital imitation of a real amp with imitation
> digital
> effects.
>
> Everything you've got is an imitation and you shouldn't be surprised that
> it
> just doesn't play like the real thing.
>
> One problem is that the Variax is a pretty crappy guitar - the sort you'd
> pay
> maybe $200 if it weren't for all the crappy electronics which are somehow
> sold
> as a "feature." Crappy guitars don't sustain well on all notes, it's sort
> of why
> we think of them as crappy. There are some great guitars (SGs come to
> mind) that
> have the same problem, but because they are so brilliant at everything
> else we
> work around the issue. Do those notes sustain acoustically, that is when
> you
> aren't plugged in? If it don't sustain without the amp it isn't going to
> sustain
> when you plug it in.
>
> Technique may also be an issue. It'll be very hard for you to know that or
> to
> improve your technique because you're playing a pile of crap that doesn't
> really
> respond like an actual guitar and amp.
>
> The irony here is that you should be able to walk into any pawnshop and
> come out
> with a $100 guitar that when plugged directly into that cheap Marshall
> will give
> you the sustain you're looking for. That depends more than a little bit on
> having the technique. There is no pedal, guitar, amp that will make you
> sound
> like Santana. You've got to do that part.
>
> Anyway, HTH.
>
>
>
> Ron
>
> Effect pedal demo's up at http :// www .soundclick,com /ronsonicpedalry
The guitar seemed ok when I did Samba pa ti =/
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=IJnOCNa-gs4
>
Re: Getting sustain
Lee wrote:
> I am learning to play Europa and can't hold the F at the 13th fret for any
> where near as long as it should play. Using feedback is not an option as I
> am playing a Variax 600 so no pickups.
>
> The sound is going through a Boss ME 50 usually using distort, delay and
> sustain set to full into a Marshal MG 15dfx, its possible to get decent
> sustain on the E,A,D and G strings but not on the others.
>
> I have heard of Ibenez screamer pedals, would one of those help or is there
> anything else to do it, thanks in advance for any suggestions?
>
> Lee
>
>
>
The real answer is mechanical feedback to the guitar. Enough volume to
get the guitar vibrating. Think Carlos. You can sometimes fake it by
touching the headstock to the amp, with an underpowered amp.
Lee wrote:
> I am learning to play Europa and can't hold the F at the 13th fret for any
> where near as long as it should play. Using feedback is not an option as I
> am playing a Variax 600 so no pickups.
>
> The sound is going through a Boss ME 50 usually using distort, delay and
> sustain set to full into a Marshal MG 15dfx, its possible to get decent
> sustain on the E,A,D and G strings but not on the others.
>
> I have heard of Ibenez screamer pedals, would one of those help or is there
> anything else to do it, thanks in advance for any suggestions?
>
> Lee
>
>
>
The real answer is mechanical feedback to the guitar. Enough volume to
get the guitar vibrating. Think Carlos. You can sometimes fake it by
touching the headstock to the amp, with an underpowered amp.
Re: Getting sustain
"Jim" <askme@beforeyousend,com > wrote in message
news:13153u677uc15cc@corp.supernews,com ...
> Lee wrote:
>
>> I am learning to play Europa and can't hold the F at the 13th fret for
>> any where near as long as it should play. Using feedback is not an option
>> as I am playing a Variax 600 so no pickups.
>>
>> The sound is going through a Boss ME 50 usually using distort, delay and
>> sustain set to full into a Marshal MG 15dfx, its possible to get decent
>> sustain on the E,A,D and G strings but not on the others.
>>
>> I have heard of Ibenez screamer pedals, would one of those help or is
>> there anything else to do it, thanks in advance for any suggestions?
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>>
>
> The real answer is mechanical feedback to the guitar. Enough volume to
> get the guitar vibrating. Think Carlos. You can sometimes fake it by
> touching the headstock to the amp, with an underpowered amp.
That's a good tip, I will go try it out.
Thank you.
"Jim" <askme@beforeyousend,com > wrote in message
news:13153u677uc15cc@corp.supernews,com ...
> Lee wrote:
>
>> I am learning to play Europa and can't hold the F at the 13th fret for
>> any where near as long as it should play. Using feedback is not an option
>> as I am playing a Variax 600 so no pickups.
>>
>> The sound is going through a Boss ME 50 usually using distort, delay and
>> sustain set to full into a Marshal MG 15dfx, its possible to get decent
>> sustain on the E,A,D and G strings but not on the others.
>>
>> I have heard of Ibenez screamer pedals, would one of those help or is
>> there anything else to do it, thanks in advance for any suggestions?
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>>
>
> The real answer is mechanical feedback to the guitar. Enough volume to
> get the guitar vibrating. Think Carlos. You can sometimes fake it by
> touching the headstock to the amp, with an underpowered amp.
That's a good tip, I will go try it out.
Thank you.
Re: Getting sustain
Jim wrote:
> Lee wrote:
>
>> I am learning to play Europa and can't hold the F at the 13th fret for
>> any where near as long as it should play. Using feedback is not an
>> option as I am playing a Variax 600 so no pickups.
>>
>> The sound is going through a Boss ME 50 usually using distort, delay
>> and sustain set to full into a Marshal MG 15dfx, its possible to get
>> decent sustain on the E,A,D and G strings but not on the others.
>>
>> I have heard of Ibenez screamer pedals, would one of those help or is
>> there anything else to do it, thanks in advance for any suggestions?
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>>
>
> The real answer is mechanical feedback to the guitar. Enough volume to
> get the guitar vibrating. Think Carlos. You can sometimes fake it by
> touching the headstock to the amp, with an underpowered amp.
Something else to think about - if it is only one string that wont
sustain then maybe the set-up is wrong and the string is "choking" when
fretted higher up the neck.
HTH
E.
Jim wrote:
> Lee wrote:
>
>> I am learning to play Europa and can't hold the F at the 13th fret for
>> any where near as long as it should play. Using feedback is not an
>> option as I am playing a Variax 600 so no pickups.
>>
>> The sound is going through a Boss ME 50 usually using distort, delay
>> and sustain set to full into a Marshal MG 15dfx, its possible to get
>> decent sustain on the E,A,D and G strings but not on the others.
>>
>> I have heard of Ibenez screamer pedals, would one of those help or is
>> there anything else to do it, thanks in advance for any suggestions?
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>>
>
> The real answer is mechanical feedback to the guitar. Enough volume to
> get the guitar vibrating. Think Carlos. You can sometimes fake it by
> touching the headstock to the amp, with an underpowered amp.
Something else to think about - if it is only one string that wont
sustain then maybe the set-up is wrong and the string is "choking" when
fretted higher up the neck.
HTH
E.
Re: Getting sustain
"E." <e-man@tAKEoUTteamevol,net > wrote in message
news:jmxQh.5346$NK2.3755@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Jim wrote:
>> Lee wrote:
>>
>>> I am learning to play Europa and can't hold the F at the 13th fret for
>>> any where near as long as it should play. Using feedback is not an
>>> option as I am playing a Variax 600 so no pickups.
>>>
>>> The sound is going through a Boss ME 50 usually using distort, delay and
>>> sustain set to full into a Marshal MG 15dfx, its possible to get decent
>>> sustain on the E,A,D and G strings but not on the others.
>>>
>>> I have heard of Ibenez screamer pedals, would one of those help or is
>>> there anything else to do it, thanks in advance for any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The real answer is mechanical feedback to the guitar. Enough volume to
>> get the guitar vibrating. Think Carlos. You can sometimes fake it by
>> touching the headstock to the amp, with an underpowered amp.
>
> Something else to think about - if it is only one string that wont sustain
> then maybe the set-up is wrong and the string is "choking" when fretted
> higher up the neck.
>
> HTH
> E.
The strings are playing clean all the way to the top of the fretboard, I am
thinking that maybe going back to .10's, there has been not much chance to
play it since xmass and I lost a lot of callous but they are built up a bit
more now.
Lee
"E." <e-man@tAKEoUTteamevol,net > wrote in message
news:jmxQh.5346$NK2.3755@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Jim wrote:
>> Lee wrote:
>>
>>> I am learning to play Europa and can't hold the F at the 13th fret for
>>> any where near as long as it should play. Using feedback is not an
>>> option as I am playing a Variax 600 so no pickups.
>>>
>>> The sound is going through a Boss ME 50 usually using distort, delay and
>>> sustain set to full into a Marshal MG 15dfx, its possible to get decent
>>> sustain on the E,A,D and G strings but not on the others.
>>>
>>> I have heard of Ibenez screamer pedals, would one of those help or is
>>> there anything else to do it, thanks in advance for any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The real answer is mechanical feedback to the guitar. Enough volume to
>> get the guitar vibrating. Think Carlos. You can sometimes fake it by
>> touching the headstock to the amp, with an underpowered amp.
>
> Something else to think about - if it is only one string that wont sustain
> then maybe the set-up is wrong and the string is "choking" when fretted
> higher up the neck.
>
> HTH
> E.
The strings are playing clean all the way to the top of the fretboard, I am
thinking that maybe going back to .10's, there has been not much chance to
play it since xmass and I lost a lot of callous but they are built up a bit
more now.
Lee
