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NeoVibe: carbon vs. metal film resistors
Hi,
in order to get a more vintage sound from the NeoVibe do you think it
is appropriate to substitute all/some of the metal film resistors with
carbon resistors ?
Bye
Hi,
in order to get a more vintage sound from the NeoVibe do you think it
is appropriate to substitute all/some of the metal film resistors with
carbon resistors ?
Bye
Re: NeoVibe: carbon vs. metal film resistors
On 5 Feb 2007 06:41:38 -0800, "grunged" <groundgrunge@hotmail,it > wrote:
>Hi,
>
>in order to get a more vintage sound from the NeoVibe do you think it
>is appropriate to substitute all/some of the metal film resistors with
>carbon resistors ?
Trying to start another holy war?
My opinion, for a phase shifter or vibe type device noise is such an issue that
I'd be more concerned with keeping it quiet than looking for mojo. These don't
sound harsh in any case so, I'd go all metal film.
Ron
On 5 Feb 2007 06:41:38 -0800, "grunged" <groundgrunge@hotmail,it > wrote:
>Hi,
>
>in order to get a more vintage sound from the NeoVibe do you think it
>is appropriate to substitute all/some of the metal film resistors with
>carbon resistors ?
Trying to start another holy war?
My opinion, for a phase shifter or vibe type device noise is such an issue that
I'd be more concerned with keeping it quiet than looking for mojo. These don't
sound harsh in any case so, I'd go all metal film.
Ron
Re: NeoVibe: carbon vs. metal film resistors
RonSonic wrote:
> On 5 Feb 2007 06:41:38 -0800, "grunged" <groundgrunge@hotmail,it > wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>in order to get a more vintage sound from the NeoVibe do you think it
>>is appropriate to substitute all/some of the metal film resistors with
>>carbon resistors ?
>
>
> Trying to start another holy war?
>
> My opinion, for a phase shifter or vibe type device noise is such an issue that
> I'd be more concerned with keeping it quiet than looking for mojo. These don't
> sound harsh in any case so, I'd go all metal film.
Nod. To add to the holiness (or wholiness?):
I have friend who builds top notch hifi gear on order. He's a
professional in electronics and an experimentor.
Many years ago, we worked together on developing stage gear for rental.
We've had lotsa discussions about the topics of selecting components.
From many years of investigating, trying, testing, listening, it's
still a cumbersome job to find the right parts for every specific
location in a design. Yes, results can be had, but they're are most
often too subtle to be of much value.
In a well controlled environment like our living room, that is if
girlfriend/wife permits, those subtle mods can be of value when all is
quiet and we lean back to fully appreciate one of those relatively few
near perfect recorrdings.
Ron is right. Instead of speculating that a different resistor type will
sound better, it's much better to pay attention to noise and unwanted
distortion. Actually, old or crap quality capacitors do more harm than
most other components; coupled with evaluating a few select opamps and
discrete transistors, one may acieve better S/N ratio, lower distortion
and just /maybe/ a slightly better sound - or at least... different :)
What I'm saying is that lots of what 'we' hear is hype.
This doesn't mean that none of it is true, but I bet in those cases
where there's truth bound, it's because someone has had quite good
knowledge about the subject, AND has spend countless hours on it.
If you actually obtain commented schematics and/or guides to do some mod
on some equipment, it may easily be worth the while implementing them,
else I usually have my doubts. YMMV as always... Piece
--
Kind regards,
Mogens V.
"One thing you can say about ignorance,
it causes a lot of interesting arguments."
-- Bob Heil (from his book "Concert Sound")
RonSonic wrote:
> On 5 Feb 2007 06:41:38 -0800, "grunged" <groundgrunge@hotmail,it > wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>in order to get a more vintage sound from the NeoVibe do you think it
>>is appropriate to substitute all/some of the metal film resistors with
>>carbon resistors ?
>
>
> Trying to start another holy war?
>
> My opinion, for a phase shifter or vibe type device noise is such an issue that
> I'd be more concerned with keeping it quiet than looking for mojo. These don't
> sound harsh in any case so, I'd go all metal film.
Nod. To add to the holiness (or wholiness?):
I have friend who builds top notch hifi gear on order. He's a
professional in electronics and an experimentor.
Many years ago, we worked together on developing stage gear for rental.
We've had lotsa discussions about the topics of selecting components.
From many years of investigating, trying, testing, listening, it's
still a cumbersome job to find the right parts for every specific
location in a design. Yes, results can be had, but they're are most
often too subtle to be of much value.
In a well controlled environment like our living room, that is if
girlfriend/wife permits, those subtle mods can be of value when all is
quiet and we lean back to fully appreciate one of those relatively few
near perfect recorrdings.
Ron is right. Instead of speculating that a different resistor type will
sound better, it's much better to pay attention to noise and unwanted
distortion. Actually, old or crap quality capacitors do more harm than
most other components; coupled with evaluating a few select opamps and
discrete transistors, one may acieve better S/N ratio, lower distortion
and just /maybe/ a slightly better sound - or at least... different :)
What I'm saying is that lots of what 'we' hear is hype.
This doesn't mean that none of it is true, but I bet in those cases
where there's truth bound, it's because someone has had quite good
knowledge about the subject, AND has spend countless hours on it.
If you actually obtain commented schematics and/or guides to do some mod
on some equipment, it may easily be worth the while implementing them,
else I usually have my doubts. YMMV as always... Piece
--
Kind regards,
Mogens V.
"One thing you can say about ignorance,
it causes a lot of interesting arguments."
-- Bob Heil (from his book "Concert Sound")
Re: NeoVibe: carbon vs. metal film resistors
Mogens V. wrote:
> RonSonic wrote:
>
>> On 5 Feb 2007 06:41:38 -0800, "grunged" <groundgrunge@hotmail,it > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> in order to get a more vintage sound from the NeoVibe do you think it
>>> is appropriate to substitute all/some of the metal film resistors with
>>> carbon resistors ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Trying to start another holy war?
>>
>> My opinion, for a phase shifter or vibe type device noise is such an
>> issue that
>> I'd be more concerned with keeping it quiet than looking for mojo.
>> These don't
>> sound harsh in any case so, I'd go all metal film.
>
>
> Nod. To add to the holiness (or wholiness?):
> I have friend who builds top notch hifi gear on order. He's a
> professional in electronics and an experimentor.
> Many years ago, we worked together on developing stage gear for rental.
>
> We've had lotsa discussions about the topics of selecting components.
> From many years of investigating, trying, testing, listening, it's
> still a cumbersome job to find the right parts for every specific
> location in a design. Yes, results can be had, but they're are most
> often too subtle to be of much value.
> In a well controlled environment like our living room, that is if
> girlfriend/wife permits, those subtle mods can be of value when all is
> quiet and we lean back to fully appreciate one of those relatively few
> near perfect recorrdings.
>
> Ron is right. Instead of speculating that a different resistor type will
> sound better, it's much better to pay attention to noise and unwanted
> distortion. Actually, old or crap quality capacitors do more harm than
> most other components; coupled with evaluating a few select opamps and
> discrete transistors, one may acieve better S/N ratio, lower distortion
> and just /maybe/ a slightly better sound - or at least... different :)
>
> What I'm saying is that lots of what 'we' hear is hype.
> This doesn't mean that none of it is true, but I bet in those cases
> where there's truth bound, it's because someone has had quite good
> knowledge about the subject, AND has spend countless hours on it.
>
> If you actually obtain commented schematics and/or guides to do some mod
> on some equipment, it may easily be worth the while implementing them,
> else I usually have my doubts. YMMV as always... Piece
>
As I run out of real carbon and carbon film, I'm now using metal film
for all of my personal projects. Proven low noise beats subjective
mojo, if I can't hear the difference.
Mogens V. wrote:
> RonSonic wrote:
>
>> On 5 Feb 2007 06:41:38 -0800, "grunged" <groundgrunge@hotmail,it > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> in order to get a more vintage sound from the NeoVibe do you think it
>>> is appropriate to substitute all/some of the metal film resistors with
>>> carbon resistors ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Trying to start another holy war?
>>
>> My opinion, for a phase shifter or vibe type device noise is such an
>> issue that
>> I'd be more concerned with keeping it quiet than looking for mojo.
>> These don't
>> sound harsh in any case so, I'd go all metal film.
>
>
> Nod. To add to the holiness (or wholiness?):
> I have friend who builds top notch hifi gear on order. He's a
> professional in electronics and an experimentor.
> Many years ago, we worked together on developing stage gear for rental.
>
> We've had lotsa discussions about the topics of selecting components.
> From many years of investigating, trying, testing, listening, it's
> still a cumbersome job to find the right parts for every specific
> location in a design. Yes, results can be had, but they're are most
> often too subtle to be of much value.
> In a well controlled environment like our living room, that is if
> girlfriend/wife permits, those subtle mods can be of value when all is
> quiet and we lean back to fully appreciate one of those relatively few
> near perfect recorrdings.
>
> Ron is right. Instead of speculating that a different resistor type will
> sound better, it's much better to pay attention to noise and unwanted
> distortion. Actually, old or crap quality capacitors do more harm than
> most other components; coupled with evaluating a few select opamps and
> discrete transistors, one may acieve better S/N ratio, lower distortion
> and just /maybe/ a slightly better sound - or at least... different :)
>
> What I'm saying is that lots of what 'we' hear is hype.
> This doesn't mean that none of it is true, but I bet in those cases
> where there's truth bound, it's because someone has had quite good
> knowledge about the subject, AND has spend countless hours on it.
>
> If you actually obtain commented schematics and/or guides to do some mod
> on some equipment, it may easily be worth the while implementing them,
> else I usually have my doubts. YMMV as always... Piece
>
As I run out of real carbon and carbon film, I'm now using metal film
for all of my personal projects. Proven low noise beats subjective
mojo, if I can't hear the difference.
