pedal recommendation for heavier rhythm sound?

pedal recommendation for heavier rhythm sound?

So, the main songwriter for my band has in mind a heavier rhythm sound
than I get with my current rig.
I play a Les Paul into a reissue Twin Reverb, and I have a couple
Analogman modded Tubescreamers and an Analogman modded DS-1. A TS set
as a boost into the DS-1 gets a pretty heavy sound, and it sounds great
for leads, but our songwriter had more of a Mesa-sounding, I guess
tighter, heavier rhythm sound in mind.
Any suggestions of pedals that could help out? I'm going to have to
pass for now on the suggestions of getting a Mesa or similar amp to A/B
with the Twin.
Thanks in advance,
Zach

--

Zach Davis

"With every mistake we must surely be learning
Still my guitar gently weeps."
-George Harrison, "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"

"You can't fight in here, this is the War Room!"
-President Merkin Muffley, Dr. Strangelove

Re: pedal recommendation for heavier rhythm sound?

Zach Davis wrote:
> So, the main songwriter for my band has in mind a heavier rhythm sound
> than I get with my current rig.
> I play a Les Paul into a reissue Twin Reverb, and I have a couple
> Analogman modded Tubescreamers and an Analogman modded DS-1. A TS set
> as a boost into the DS-1 gets a pretty heavy sound, and it sounds great
> for leads, but our songwriter had more of a Mesa-sounding, I guess
> tighter, heavier rhythm sound in mind.
> Any suggestions of pedals that could help out? I'm going to have to
> pass for now on the suggestions of getting a Mesa or similar amp to A/B
> with the Twin.
> Thanks in advance,
> Zach
>
Zach,

If you can't swing a Mesa at present, then maybe an Analogman-modded
Boss MT-2? Just a thought.

Matt D'Ortona

Re: pedal recommendation for heavier rhythm sound?


"Zach Davis" <zachariahdBUTIDONTLIKESPAM@hotmail,com > wrote in message
news:eqr90h$1rik$1@netnews.upenn.edu...
> So, the main songwriter for my band has in mind a heavier rhythm sound
> than I get with my current rig.
> I play a Les Paul into a reissue Twin Reverb, and I have a couple
> Analogman modded Tubescreamers and an Analogman modded DS-1. A TS set as
> a boost into the DS-1 gets a pretty heavy sound, and it sounds great for
> leads, but our songwriter had more of a Mesa-sounding, I guess tighter,
> heavier rhythm sound in mind.
> Any suggestions of pedals that could help out? I'm going to have to pass
> for now on the suggestions of getting a Mesa or similar amp to A/B with
> the Twin.
> Thanks in advance,
> Zach
>
> --
>
> Zach Davis
>
> "With every mistake we must surely be learning
> Still my guitar gently weeps."
> -George Harrison, "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"
>
> "You can't fight in here, this is the War Room!"
> -President Merkin Muffley, _Dr. Strangelove_

With a Twin, you have a ton of headroom in there so you're relying on pedals
for the sound you want instead of amp overdrive. All you can do is try to
throw another overdrive pedal in there ( try the Boss OD-3) , or get a lower
watt amp to even it out, which you say you don't want :-(
I use three OD pedals in my setup. I start playing clean, then one for
slight grit, one for over the top, and one just set clean to boost leads for
whatever the others are set for. Comes in handy for whatever amp I'm using
for the venue , !5, 25, 40 or 100 watt,, they all get my sound. I keep the
tone in my pedalboard, and the volume in my watts....tubes of coarse ;-)
Sonny.
Sonny

Re: pedal recommendation for heavier rhythm sound?

Sonny wrote:
> "Zach Davis" <zachariahdBUTIDONTLIKESPAM@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> news:eqr90h$1rik$1@netnews.upenn.edu...
>> So, the main songwriter for my band has in mind a heavier rhythm sound
>> than I get with my current rig.
>> I play a Les Paul into a reissue Twin Reverb, and I have a couple
>> Analogman modded Tubescreamers and an Analogman modded DS-1. A TS set as
>> a boost into the DS-1 gets a pretty heavy sound, and it sounds great for
>> leads, but our songwriter had more of a Mesa-sounding, I guess tighter,
>> heavier rhythm sound in mind.
>> Any suggestions of pedals that could help out? I'm going to have to pass
>> for now on the suggestions of getting a Mesa or similar amp to A/B with
>> the Twin.
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Zach
>>
> With a Twin, you have a ton of headroom in there so you're relying on pedals
> for the sound you want instead of amp overdrive. All you can do is try to
> throw another overdrive pedal in there ( try the Boss OD-3) , or get a lower
> watt amp to even it out, which you say you don't want :-(

Do you have any suggestions of actual distortion pedals? The TS
boosting the DS-1 is an excellent sound, but not quite what he's going for.

And I didn't say didn't want a low watt amp, just that suggesting
getting an additional amp like a Mesa to A/B is not really where I'm
planning on going with this. I would be open to switching out the Twin
to, as a particular example, a Deluxe Reverb, but I'm not sure how much
closer that would let me get to the Mesa sound with the pedals I have.
And I presume that would have to be turned pretty far up for it to help.

> I use three OD pedals in my setup. I start playing clean, then one for
> slight grit, one for over the top, and one just set clean to boost leads for
> whatever the others are set for. Comes in handy for whatever amp I'm using
> for the venue , !5, 25, 40 or 100 watt,, they all get my sound. I keep the
> tone in my pedalboard, and the volume in my watts....tubes of coarse ;-)

Yes, but does that get you the type of sound that I'm asking about?

--

Zach Davis

"With every mistake we must surely be learning
Still my guitar gently weeps."
-George Harrison, "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"

"You can't fight in here, this is the War Room!"
-President Merkin Muffley, Dr. Strangelove

Re: pedal recommendation for heavier rhythm sound?

On Feb 13, 3:45 pm, Zach Davis
<zachariahdBUTIDONTLIKES...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> Sonny wrote:
> > "Zach Davis" <zachariahdBUTIDONTLIKES...@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> >news:eqr90h$1rik$1@netnews.upenn.edu...
> >> So, the main songwriter for my band has in mind a heavier rhythm sound
> >> than I get with my current rig.
> >> I play a Les Paul into a reissue Twin Reverb, and I have a couple
> >> Analogman modded Tubescreamers and an Analogman modded DS-1. A TS set as
> >> a boost into the DS-1 gets a pretty heavy sound, and it sounds great for
> >> leads, but our songwriter had more of a Mesa-sounding, I guess tighter,
> >> heavier rhythm sound in mind.
> >> Any suggestions of pedals that could help out? I'm going to have to pass
> >> for now on the suggestions of getting a Mesa or similar amp to A/B with
> >> the Twin.
> >> Thanks in advance,
> >> Zach
>
> > With a Twin, you have a ton of headroom in there so you're relying on pedals
> > for the sound you want instead of amp overdrive. All you can do is try to
> > throw another overdrive pedal in there ( try the Boss OD-3) , or get a lower
> > watt amp to even it out, which you say you don't want :-(
>
> Do you have any suggestions of actual distortion pedals? The TS
> boosting the DS-1 is an excellent sound, but not quite what he's going for.
>
> And I didn't say didn't want a low watt amp, just that suggesting
> getting an additional amp like a Mesa to A/B is not really where I'm
> planning on going with this. I would be open to switching out the Twin
> to, as a particular example, a Deluxe Reverb, but I'm not sure how much
> closer that would let me get to the Mesa sound with the pedals I have.
> And I presume that would have to be turned pretty far up for it to help.
>
> > I use three OD pedals in my setup. I start playing clean, then one for
> > slight grit, one for over the top, and one just set clean to boost leads for
> > whatever the others are set for. Comes in handy for whatever amp I'm using
> > for the venue , !5, 25, 40 or 100 watt,, they all get my sound. I keep the
> > tone in my pedalboard, and the volume in my watts....tubes of coarse ;-)
>
> Yes, but does that get you the type of sound that I'm asking about?

No.

Chris

Re: pedal recommendation for heavier rhythm sound?


"Zach Davis" <zachariahdBUTIDONTLIKESPAM@hotmail,com > wrote in message
news:eqt816$276g$1@netnews.upenn.edu...
> Sonny wrote:
>> "Zach Davis" <zachariahdBUTIDONTLIKESPAM@hotmail,com > wrote in message
>> news:eqr90h$1rik$1@netnews.upenn.edu...
>>> So, the main songwriter for my band has in mind a heavier rhythm sound
>>> than I get with my current rig.
>>> I play a Les Paul into a reissue Twin Reverb, and I have a couple
>>> Analogman modded Tubescreamers and an Analogman modded DS-1. A TS set
>>> as a boost into the DS-1 gets a pretty heavy sound, and it sounds great
>>> for leads, but our songwriter had more of a Mesa-sounding, I guess
>>> tighter, heavier rhythm sound in mind.
>>> Any suggestions of pedals that could help out? I'm going to have to
>>> pass for now on the suggestions of getting a Mesa or similar amp to A/B
>>> with the Twin.
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Zach
>>>
>> With a Twin, you have a ton of headroom in there so you're relying on
>> pedals for the sound you want instead of amp overdrive. All you can do is
>> try to throw another overdrive pedal in there ( try the Boss OD-3) , or
>> get a lower watt amp to even it out, which you say you don't want :-(
>
> Do you have any suggestions of actual distortion pedals? The TS boosting
> the DS-1 is an excellent sound, but not quite what he's going for.
>
> And I didn't say didn't want a low watt amp, just that suggesting getting
> an additional amp like a Mesa to A/B is not really where I'm planning on
> going with this. I would be open to switching out the Twin to, as a
> particular example, a Deluxe Reverb, but I'm not sure how much closer that
> would let me get to the Mesa sound with the pedals I have. And I presume
> that would have to be turned pretty far up for it to help.
>
>> I use three OD pedals in my setup. I start playing clean, then one for
>> slight grit, one for over the top, and one just set clean to boost leads
>> for whatever the others are set for. Comes in handy for whatever amp I'm
>> using for the venue , !5, 25, 40 or 100 watt,, they all get my sound. I
>> keep the tone in my pedalboard, and the volume in my watts....tubes of
>> coarse ;-)
>
> Yes, but does that get you the type of sound that I'm asking about?
>
> --
>
> Zach Davis
>
> "With every mistake we must surely be learning
> Still my guitar gently weeps."
> -George Harrison, "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"
>
> "You can't fight in here, this is the War Room!"
> -President Merkin Muffley, _Dr. Strangelove_
Putting a compressor in the OD/distortion pedal soup can make a nice meal
;-) Just might be what's lacking.
Sonny

Re: pedal recommendation for heavier rhythm sound?

On Feb 12, 10:26 pm, "Sonny" <SONN...@COMCAST,net > wrote:
> "Zach Davis" <zachariahdBUTIDONTLIKES...@hotmail,com > wrote in message
>
> news:eqr90h$1rik$1@netnews.upenn.edu...
>
>
>
>
>
> > So, the main songwriter for my band has in mind a heavier rhythm sound
> > than I get with my current rig.
> > I play a Les Paul into a reissue Twin Reverb, and I have a couple
> > Analogman modded Tubescreamers and an Analogman modded DS-1. A TS set as
> > a boost into the DS-1 gets a pretty heavy sound, and it sounds great for
> > leads, but our songwriter had more of a Mesa-sounding, I guess tighter,
> > heavier rhythm sound in mind.
> > Any suggestions of pedals that could help out? I'm going to have to pass
> > for now on the suggestions of getting a Mesa or similar amp to A/B with
> > the Twin.
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Zach
>
> > --
>
> > Zach Davis
>
> > "With every mistake we must surely be learning
> > Still my guitar gently weeps."
> > -George Harrison, "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"
>
> > "You can't fight in here, this is the War Room!"
> > -President Merkin Muffley, Dr. Strangelove
>
> With a Twin, you have a ton of headroom in there so you're relying on pedals
> for the sound you want instead of amp overdrive. All you can do is try to
> throw another overdrive pedal in there ( try the Boss OD-3) , or get a lower
> watt amp to even it out, which you say you don't want :-(
> I use three OD pedals in my setup. I start playing clean, then one for
> slight grit, one for over the top, and one just set clean to boost leads for
> whatever the others are set for. Comes in handy for whatever amp I'm using
> for the venue , !5, 25, 40 or 100 watt,, they all get my sound. I keep the
> tone in my pedalboard, and the volume in my watts....tubes of coarse ;-)
> Sonny.
> Sonny- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Sonny

You do realize you could get rid of one of those pedals and just use
your guitar volume knob right?

Chris

Re: pedal recommendation for heavier rhythm sound?

Zach Davis wrote:
> So, the main songwriter for my band has in mind a heavier rhythm sound
> than I get with my current rig.
> I play a Les Paul into a reissue Twin Reverb, and I have a couple
> Analogman modded Tubescreamers and an Analogman modded DS-1. A TS set
> as a boost into the DS-1 gets a pretty heavy sound, and it sounds great
> for leads, but our songwriter had more of a Mesa-sounding, I guess
> tighter, heavier rhythm sound in mind.
> Any suggestions of pedals that could help out? I'm going to have to
> pass for now on the suggestions of getting a Mesa or similar amp to A/B
> with the Twin.
> Thanks in advance,
> Zach
>

I have a Line 6 Uber Metal, and it's about as heavy as I can imagine.
It's one of those that is easy to make sound bad, but dialed in, you can
find some good tones. It's not as intuitive as many, because it has a
three stage switch from classic metal to insane bottom heavy to high
gain/nu-metal. And it has a mids cut that you have to learn (it cuts as
you turn it up, but turn it down and it boosts). You have to set the
center frequency (I guess that makes it quasi-parametric). ...and it
has two levels of noise gate built in. It's as heavy as a tank, I guess
the metal crowd must be tough on their gear. I bought it thinking I
might give it to a nephew as a gift, but it does a good job of turning
my Mesa Mark III into the rectifier tone.

Most music stores have a RI Twin Reverb on hand. Go in and audition the
Uber Metal through it. It'll get those drivers moving!

I also have a Boss Mega Distortion (I think it's MD-2) that sounds good
into my Marshall. It's gives you separate gain and distortion knobs, a
two stage distortion that is way noisy if you max both out. Again, with
the right settings, it sounds quite good. It gives both a normal tone
control and a bottom boost, for a heavier tone.

The third option that I have is a Digitech DF7 Distortion Factory with 7
models in it. For some odd reason, the Metal Zone model in the Digitech
sounds better than the original Boss pedal. On the heavier side, you
also get a Rat model, a Metal Master and a Big Muff (which also sounds
better than original because of the better tone controls -- again a
quasi-parametric mids, bass and treble).

Your mileage may vary, because you'll be running into a pretty clean amp
without the bottom that I have to start with (can't say I've tried the
heavier settings into my Super Reverb). They're all a bit different,
and I like all three for different reasons. Try all three, and whatever
else you see.

Re: pedal recommendation for heavier rhythm sound?

Jim wrote:
> Zach Davis wrote:
>> So, the main songwriter for my band has in mind a heavier rhythm sound
>> than I get with my current rig.
>> I play a Les Paul into a reissue Twin Reverb, and I have a couple
>> Analogman modded Tubescreamers and an Analogman modded DS-1. A TS set
>> as a boost into the DS-1 gets a pretty heavy sound, and it sounds
>> great for leads, but our songwriter had more of a Mesa-sounding, I
>> guess tighter, heavier rhythm sound in mind.
>> Any suggestions of pedals that could help out? I'm going to have to
>> pass for now on the suggestions of getting a Mesa or similar amp to
>> A/B with the Twin.
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Zach
>
> I have a Line 6 Uber Metal, and it's about as heavy as I can imagine.
> It's one of those that is easy to make sound bad, but dialed in, you can
> find some good tones. It's not as intuitive as many, because it has a
> three stage switch from classic metal to insane bottom heavy to high
> gain/nu-metal. And it has a mids cut that you have to learn (it cuts as
> you turn it up, but turn it down and it boosts). You have to set the
> center frequency (I guess that makes it quasi-parametric). ...and it
> has two levels of noise gate built in. It's as heavy as a tank, I guess
> the metal crowd must be tough on their gear. I bought it thinking I
> might give it to a nephew as a gift, but it does a good job of turning
> my Mesa Mark III into the rectifier tone.
>
> Most music stores have a RI Twin Reverb on hand. Go in and audition the
> Uber Metal through it. It'll get those drivers moving!
>
> I also have a Boss Mega Distortion (I think it's MD-2) that sounds good
> into my Marshall. It's gives you separate gain and distortion knobs, a
> two stage distortion that is way noisy if you max both out. Again, with
> the right settings, it sounds quite good. It gives both a normal tone
> control and a bottom boost, for a heavier tone.
>
> The third option that I have is a Digitech DF7 Distortion Factory with 7
> models in it. For some odd reason, the Metal Zone model in the Digitech
> sounds better than the original Boss pedal. On the heavier side, you
> also get a Rat model, a Metal Master and a Big Muff (which also sounds
> better than original because of the better tone controls -- again a
> quasi-parametric mids, bass and treble).
>
> Your mileage may vary, because you'll be running into a pretty clean amp
> without the bottom that I have to start with (can't say I've tried the
> heavier settings into my Super Reverb). They're all a bit different,
> and I like all three for different reasons. Try all three, and whatever
> else you see.

I have to say, I'm a little wary of the digital modeling distortions
(i.e. the Line6, and I presume the DF7 is also digital).

How would you compare the MD-2 to the MT-2?

And I dunno, I can get a fair amount of bass out of my twin. Not quite
the same as a marshall or mesa cab, I'm sure, but they are 12's at least.

--

Zach Davis

"With every mistake we must surely be learning
Still my guitar gently weeps."
-George Harrison, "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"

"You can't fight in here, this is the War Room!"
-President Merkin Muffley, Dr. Strangelove

Re: pedal recommendation for heavier rhythm sound?

Zach Davis wrote:

> Jim wrote:
>
>> Zach Davis wrote:
>>
>>> So, the main songwriter for my band has in mind a heavier rhythm
>>> sound than I get with my current rig.
>>> I play a Les Paul into a reissue Twin Reverb, and I have a couple
>>> Analogman modded Tubescreamers and an Analogman modded DS-1. A TS
>>> set as a boost into the DS-1 gets a pretty heavy sound, and it sounds
>>> great for leads, but our songwriter had more of a Mesa-sounding, I
>>> guess tighter, heavier rhythm sound in mind.
>>> Any suggestions of pedals that could help out? I'm going to have to
>>> pass for now on the suggestions of getting a Mesa or similar amp to
>>> A/B with the Twin.
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Zach
>>
>>
>> I have a Line 6 Uber Metal, and it's about as heavy as I can imagine.
>> It's one of those that is easy to make sound bad, but dialed in, you
>> can find some good tones. It's not as intuitive as many, because it
>> has a three stage switch from classic metal to insane bottom heavy to
>> high gain/nu-metal. And it has a mids cut that you have to learn (it
>> cuts as you turn it up, but turn it down and it boosts). You have to
>> set the center frequency (I guess that makes it quasi-parametric).
>> ...and it has two levels of noise gate built in. It's as heavy as a
>> tank, I guess the metal crowd must be tough on their gear. I bought
>> it thinking I might give it to a nephew as a gift, but it does a good
>> job of turning my Mesa Mark III into the rectifier tone.
>>
>> Most music stores have a RI Twin Reverb on hand. Go in and audition
>> the Uber Metal through it. It'll get those drivers moving!
>>
>> I also have a Boss Mega Distortion (I think it's MD-2) that sounds
>> good into my Marshall. It's gives you separate gain and distortion
>> knobs, a two stage distortion that is way noisy if you max both out.
>> Again, with the right settings, it sounds quite good. It gives both a
>> normal tone control and a bottom boost, for a heavier tone.
>>
>> The third option that I have is a Digitech DF7 Distortion Factory with
>> 7 models in it. For some odd reason, the Metal Zone model in the
>> Digitech sounds better than the original Boss pedal. On the heavier
>> side, you also get a Rat model, a Metal Master and a Big Muff (which
>> also sounds better than original because of the better tone controls
>> -- again a quasi-parametric mids, bass and treble).
>>
>> Your mileage may vary, because you'll be running into a pretty clean
>> amp without the bottom that I have to start with (can't say I've tried
>> the heavier settings into my Super Reverb). They're all a bit
>> different, and I like all three for different reasons. Try all three,
>> and whatever else you see.
>
>
> I have to say, I'm a little wary of the digital modeling distortions
> (i.e. the Line6, and I presume the DF7 is also digital).

Remember that they are just pedals, they are not trying to model tube
amps. They are modeling SS pedals. Big difference, if you ask me.


>
> How would you compare the MD-2 to the MT-2?

MD-2 is not for scooped tones. It's two stage, and will get a much
"gainier" tone without the distortion of the MT-2. But you can also
dial up the distortion on the MD-2, if you want that. The bottom boost
might be mostly for guys with SS amps, but it could work well with your
twin. Personally, I don't go for chest thumping bottom on guitar, I
think it tends to muck things up. That's for the bass player and kick drum.


>
> And I dunno, I can get a fair amount of bass out of my twin. Not quite
> the same as a marshall or mesa cab, I'm sure, but they are 12's at least.
>

Re: pedal recommendation for heavier rhythm sound?

Jim wrote:
> Zach Davis wrote:
>
>> Jim wrote:
>>
>>> Zach Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, the main songwriter for my band has in mind a heavier rhythm
>>>> sound than I get with my current rig.
>>>> I play a Les Paul into a reissue Twin Reverb, and I have a couple
>>>> Analogman modded Tubescreamers and an Analogman modded DS-1. A TS
>>>> set as a boost into the DS-1 gets a pretty heavy sound, and it
>>>> sounds great for leads, but our songwriter had more of a
>>>> Mesa-sounding, I guess tighter, heavier rhythm sound in mind.
>>>> Any suggestions of pedals that could help out? I'm going to have to
>>>> pass for now on the suggestions of getting a Mesa or similar amp to
>>>> A/B with the Twin.
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> Zach
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a Line 6 Uber Metal, and it's about as heavy as I can imagine.
>>> It's one of those that is easy to make sound bad, but dialed in, you
>>> can find some good tones. It's not as intuitive as many, because it
>>> has a three stage switch from classic metal to insane bottom heavy to
>>> high gain/nu-metal. And it has a mids cut that you have to learn (it
>>> cuts as you turn it up, but turn it down and it boosts). You have to
>>> set the center frequency (I guess that makes it quasi-parametric).
>>> ...and it has two levels of noise gate built in. It's as heavy as a
>>> tank, I guess the metal crowd must be tough on their gear. I bought
>>> it thinking I might give it to a nephew as a gift, but it does a good
>>> job of turning my Mesa Mark III into the rectifier tone.
>>>
>>> Most music stores have a RI Twin Reverb on hand. Go in and audition
>>> the Uber Metal through it. It'll get those drivers moving!
>>>
>>> I also have a Boss Mega Distortion (I think it's MD-2) that sounds
>>> good into my Marshall. It's gives you separate gain and distortion
>>> knobs, a two stage distortion that is way noisy if you max both out.
>>> Again, with the right settings, it sounds quite good. It gives both
>>> a normal tone control and a bottom boost, for a heavier tone.
>>>
>>> The third option that I have is a Digitech DF7 Distortion Factory
>>> with 7 models in it. For some odd reason, the Metal Zone model in
>>> the Digitech sounds better than the original Boss pedal. On the
>>> heavier side, you also get a Rat model, a Metal Master and a Big Muff
>>> (which also sounds better than original because of the better tone
>>> controls -- again a quasi-parametric mids, bass and treble).
>>>
>>> Your mileage may vary, because you'll be running into a pretty clean
>>> amp without the bottom that I have to start with (can't say I've
>>> tried the heavier settings into my Super Reverb). They're all a bit
>>> different, and I like all three for different reasons. Try all
>>> three, and whatever else you see.
>>
>>
>> I have to say, I'm a little wary of the digital modeling distortions
>> (i.e. the Line6, and I presume the DF7 is also digital).
>
> Remember that they are just pedals, they are not trying to model tube
> amps. They are modeling SS pedals. Big difference, if you ask me.
>

That's a fair point, although I still have to say I trust analog more
for distortion as opposed to, say, delay. But I'll definitely take
those into consideration. The suggestions of the Tech 21 stuff also
sounded interesting.

Also, speaking of the DF7 and more specifically, the pedals it models,
would anyone recommend a Rat or Big Muff as things to try for a heavy
rhythm sound? My impression is that the Rat is closer to the DS-1 in
terms of distortion level. I haven't ever played through a Big Muff,
though, I know it's a fuzzier kind of sound... would that not interact
well with the Twin, or might it be something worth trying as well?

>> How would you compare the MD-2 to the MT-2?
>
> MD-2 is not for scooped tones. It's two stage, and will get a much
> "gainier" tone without the distortion of the MT-2. But you can also
> dial up the distortion on the MD-2, if you want that. The bottom boost
> might be mostly for guys with SS amps, but it could work well with your
> twin. Personally, I don't go for chest thumping bottom on guitar, I
> think it tends to muck things up. That's for the bass player and kick
> drum.

Thanks, I think that helps... I'm not really looking for a scooped mids
sound, just heavier and tighter all around, I guess.

--

Zach Davis

"With every mistake we must surely be learning
Still my guitar gently weeps."
-George Harrison, "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"

"You can't fight in here, this is the War Room!"
-President Merkin Muffley, Dr. Strangelove

Re: pedal recommendation for heavier rhythm sound?

Zach Davis wrote:
> Also, speaking of the DF7 and more specifically, the pedals it models,
> would anyone recommend a Rat or Big Muff as things to try for a heavy
> rhythm sound? My impression is that the Rat is closer to the DS-1 in
> terms of distortion level. I haven't ever played through a Big Muff,
> though, I know it's a fuzzier kind of sound... would that not interact
> well with the Twin, or might it be something worth trying as well?

A Big Muff definitely will give you a heavy sound. But it's not only
a "fuzzier kind of sound", it's pure fuzz - and can be very aggressive!

I'm using it for both heavy lead and rhythm and like it very much,
but it's very special. It's worth to try it but try it before purchasing it.

Re: pedal recommendation for heavier rhythm sound?

MGrd <mgrd@gmx,net > schrieb:

>Zach Davis wrote:
>> Also, speaking of the DF7 and more specifically, the pedals it models,
>> would anyone recommend a Rat or Big Muff as things to try for a heavy
>> rhythm sound? My impression is that the Rat is closer to the DS-1 in
>> terms of distortion level. I haven't ever played through a Big Muff,
>> though, I know it's a fuzzier kind of sound... would that not interact
>> well with the Twin, or might it be something worth trying as well?
>
>A Big Muff definitely will give you a heavy sound. But it's not only
>a "fuzzier kind of sound", it's pure fuzz - and can be very aggressive!
>
>I'm using it for both heavy lead and rhythm and like it very much,
>but it's very special. It's worth to try it but try it before purchasing it.

Hi!

EHX has a new series of metal and overdrive pedals (nano series). Take
a look at their homepage.

greetings
Jürgen
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Re: pedal recommendation for heavier rhythm sound?

MGrd wrote:

> Zach Davis wrote:
>
>> Also, speaking of the DF7 and more specifically, the pedals it models,
>> would anyone recommend a Rat or Big Muff as things to try for a heavy
>> rhythm sound? My impression is that the Rat is closer to the DS-1 in
>> terms of distortion level. I haven't ever played through a Big Muff,
>> though, I know it's a fuzzier kind of sound... would that not interact
>> well with the Twin, or might it be something worth trying as well?
>
>
> A Big Muff definitely will give you a heavy sound. But it's not only
> a "fuzzier kind of sound", it's pure fuzz - and can be very aggressive!
>
> I'm using it for both heavy lead and rhythm and like it very much,
> but it's very special. It's worth to try it but try it before purchasing
> it.

The Big Muff on the DF7 has distinct advantages over the actual unit.
The original gives you volume sustain and tone. The DF7 ALSO gives you
a lows control, and a quasi-parametric mids cut/boost. That means you
get to set the center frequency, then set cut or boost. WAY more
versatile, like adding a parametric EQ after a Big Muff.

Other features of the DF7: It has a direct out with amp emulation. I
rarely use this feature, but it's there. It also has stereo output with
variable separation. It has a Marshall 4x12 greenback speaker
emulator... On top of modeling: Ibanez TS9, DOD 250, Boss DS-1, Rat,
Boss MT-2, Digitech Metal Master, and the Big Muff Pi. LOTS of stuff
for a C note.

Re: pedal recommendation for heavier rhythm sound?

On Feb 12, 9:50 pm, Zach Davis
<zachariahdBUTIDONTLIKES...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> So, the main songwriter for my band has in mind a heavier rhythm sound
> than I get with my current rig.
> I play a Les Paul into a reissue Twin Reverb, and I have a couple
> Analogman modded Tubescreamers and an Analogman modded DS-1. A TS set
> as a boost into the DS-1 gets a pretty heavy sound, and it sounds great
> for leads, but our songwriter had more of a Mesa-sounding, I guess
> tighter, heavier rhythm sound in mind.
> Any suggestions of pedals that could help out? I'm going to have to
> pass for now on the suggestions of getting a Mesa or similar amp to A/B
> with the Twin.
> Thanks in advance,
> Zach
>
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>
> Zach Davis
>
> "With every mistake we must surely be learning
> Still my guitar gently weeps."
> -George Harrison, "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"
>
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> -President Merkin Muffley, Dr. Strangelove

Some kind of Metal pedal?

Chris