Warming-up my cold recording

Warming-up my cold recording

Hi Group.. My digi-recordings from my Boss BR1200 sounds cold/Icy..
I transfer them to my PC for direct CD-Burning which is faster than
build-in recorder on my Digi-recorder.. looking for a simple Tube pre
(noise-free) to warm up my recordings in between the digi-recorder to
my PC.. any recommends? Thanks in advance!

Re: Warming-up my cold recording


"DM" <Bolshoi@netzero,com > wrote in message
news:1171473750.636775.47840@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups,com ...
> Hi Group.. My digi-recordings from my Boss BR1200 sounds cold/Icy..
> I transfer them to my PC for direct CD-Burning which is faster than
> build-in recorder on my Digi-recorder.. looking for a simple Tube pre
> (noise-free) to warm up my recordings in between the digi-recorder to
> my PC.. any recommends? Thanks in advance!

Are you using the amp sounds in the Boss, or are you miking an amp? Best to
try miking an amp first. The cheap tube pres are all staving the tube. IOW,
the tube is just there so they can use the word "tube"... It cuts off highs
to make it sound "warm"...

If not, get a POD and use that direct in to the Boss. It's not a miked amp,
but it's probably better than whats in the Boss Unit.

--
Jeff

http :// tinyurl,com /8sz9r

Re: Warming-up my cold recording

On Feb 14, 10:27 am, "PRS Geek" <nos...@nospam,com > wrote:
> "DM" <Bols...@netzero,com > wrote in message
>
> news:1171473750.636775.47840@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups,com ...
>
> > Hi Group.. My digi-recordings from my Boss BR1200 sounds cold/Icy..
> > I transfer them to my PC for direct CD-Burning which is faster than
> > build-in recorder on my Digi-recorder.. looking for a simple Tube pre
> > (noise-free) to warm up my recordings in between the digi-recorder to
> > my PC.. any recommends? Thanks in advance!
>
> Are you using the amp sounds in the Boss, or are you miking an amp? Best to
> try miking an amp first. The cheap tube pres are all staving the tube. IOW,
> the tube is just there so they can use the word "tube"... It cuts off highs
> to make it sound "warm"...
>
> If not, get a POD and use that direct in to the Boss. It's not a miked amp,
> but it's probably better than whats in the Boss Unit.
>
> --
> Jeff
>
> http :// tinyurl,com /8sz9r

Which Tubes pre u think would really have the warm sounding and noise
free?
I use an external preamp for guitars Womanizer.. thanks!!

Re: Warming-up my cold recording


"DM" <Bolshoi@netzero,com > wrote in message
news:1171481401.853117.17660@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups,com ...
> On Feb 14, 10:27 am, "PRS Geek" <nos...@nospam,com > wrote:
>> "DM" <Bols...@netzero,com > wrote in message
>>
>> news:1171473750.636775.47840@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups,com ...
>>
>> > Hi Group.. My digi-recordings from my Boss BR1200 sounds cold/Icy..
>> > I transfer them to my PC for direct CD-Burning which is faster than
>> > build-in recorder on my Digi-recorder.. looking for a simple Tube pre
>> > (noise-free) to warm up my recordings in between the digi-recorder to
>> > my PC.. any recommends? Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Are you using the amp sounds in the Boss, or are you miking an amp? Best
>> to
>> try miking an amp first. The cheap tube pres are all staving the tube.
>> IOW,
>> the tube is just there so they can use the word "tube"... It cuts off
>> highs
>> to make it sound "warm"...
>>
>> If not, get a POD and use that direct in to the Boss. It's not a miked
>> amp,
>> but it's probably better than whats in the Boss Unit.
>>
>> --
>> Jeff
>>
>> http :// tinyurl,com /8sz9r

> Which Tubes pre u think would really have the warm sounding and noise
> free?
> I use an external preamp for guitars Womanizer.. thanks!!

You don't need a tube pre... The Womanizer IS a tube pre. Sounds like you
need to mic an amp. I watched the video. No reason you can't get the sounds
he does. Did you watch the vid? Did you like those sounds? If you are
recording and monitoring thru headphones, then burning and listening in your
car, your headphones are not accurate. If you are listening on computer
speakers then _they_ aren't accurate. See where I'm going with this?

So, how are you monitoring when you're recording? Then, where are you
listening to the mix? Also, did you see the vid, and did you like that guys
sound? If so, you should be able to get something close.

Me? I would mike an amp...
--
Jeff

http :// tinyurl,com /8sz9r

Re: Warming-up my cold recording

On Feb 14, 11:58 am, "PRS Geek" <nos...@nospam,com > wrote:
> "DM" <Bols...@netzero,com > wrote in message
>
> news:1171481401.853117.17660@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups,com ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 14, 10:27 am, "PRS Geek" <nos...@nospam,com > wrote:
> >> "DM" <Bols...@netzero,com > wrote in message
>
> >>news:1171473750.636775.47840@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups,com ...
>
> >> > Hi Group.. My digi-recordings from my Boss BR1200 sounds cold/Icy..
> >> > I transfer them to my PC for direct CD-Burning which is faster than
> >> > build-in recorder on my Digi-recorder.. looking for a simple Tube pre
> >> > (noise-free) to warm up my recordings in between the digi-recorder to
> >> > my PC.. any recommends? Thanks in advance!
>
> >> Are you using the amp sounds in the Boss, or are you miking an amp? Best
> >> to
> >> try miking an amp first. The cheap tube pres are all staving the tube.
> >> IOW,
> >> the tube is just there so they can use the word "tube"... It cuts off
> >> highs
> >> to make it sound "warm"...
>
> >> If not, get a POD and use that direct in to the Boss. It's not a miked
> >> amp,
> >> but it's probably better than whats in the Boss Unit.
>
> >> --
> >> Jeff
>
> >> http :// tinyurl,com /8sz9r
> > Which Tubes pre u think would really have the warm sounding and noise
> > free?
> > I use an external preamp for guitars Womanizer.. thanks!!
>
> You don't need a tube pre... The Womanizer IS a tube pre. Sounds like you
> need to mic an amp. I watched the video. No reason you can't get the sounds
> he does. Did you watch the vid? Did you like those sounds? If you are
> recording and monitoring thru headphones, then burning and listening in your
> car, your headphones are not accurate. If you are listening on computer
> speakers then they aren't accurate. See where I'm going with this?
>
> So, how are you monitoring when you're recording? Then, where are you
> listening to the mix? Also, did you see the vid, and did you like that guys
> sound? If so, you should be able to get something close.
>
> Me? I would mike an amp...
> --
> Jeff
>
> http :// tinyurl,com /8sz9r- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Actually Vocals is where I needed it, I got mixed up with my question
here?/
I have Mackie mixer and MXL mic..ART or Behringer Tube pre any good?
Thanks for the iput

Re: Warming-up my cold recording

DM wrote:

> On Feb 14, 11:58 am, "PRS Geek" <nos...@nospam,com > wrote:
>
>>"DM" <Bols...@netzero,com > wrote in message
>>
>>news:1171481401.853117.17660@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups,com ...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Feb 14, 10:27 am, "PRS Geek" <nos...@nospam,com > wrote:
>>>
>>>>"DM" <Bols...@netzero,com > wrote in message
>>
>>>>news:1171473750.636775.47840@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups,com ...
>>
>>>>>Hi Group.. My digi-recordings from my Boss BR1200 sounds cold/Icy..
>>>>>I transfer them to my PC for direct CD-Burning which is faster than
>>>>>build-in recorder on my Digi-recorder.. looking for a simple Tube pre
>>>>>(noise-free) to warm up my recordings in between the digi-recorder to
>>>>>my PC.. any recommends? Thanks in advance!
>>
>>>>Are you using the amp sounds in the Boss, or are you miking an amp? Best
>>>>to
>>>>try miking an amp first. The cheap tube pres are all staving the tube.
>>>>IOW,
>>>>the tube is just there so they can use the word "tube"... It cuts off
>>>>highs
>>>>to make it sound "warm"...
>>
>>>>If not, get a POD and use that direct in to the Boss. It's not a miked
>>>>amp,
>>>>but it's probably better than whats in the Boss Unit.
>>
>>>>--
>>>>Jeff
>>
>>>> http :// tinyurl,com /8sz9r
>>>
>>>Which Tubes pre u think would really have the warm sounding and noise
>>>free?
>>>I use an external preamp for guitars Womanizer.. thanks!!
>>
>>You don't need a tube pre... The Womanizer IS a tube pre. Sounds like you
>>need to mic an amp. I watched the video. No reason you can't get the sounds
>>he does. Did you watch the vid? Did you like those sounds? If you are
>>recording and monitoring thru headphones, then burning and listening in your
>>car, your headphones are not accurate. If you are listening on computer
>>speakers then _they_ aren't accurate. See where I'm going with this?
>>
>>So, how are you monitoring when you're recording? Then, where are you
>>listening to the mix? Also, did you see the vid, and did you like that guys
>>sound? If so, you should be able to get something close.
>>
>>Me? I would mike an amp...
>>--
>>Jeff
>>
>> http :// tinyurl,com /8sz9r- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> Actually Vocals is where I needed it, I got mixed up with my question
> here?/
> I have Mackie mixer and MXL mic..ART or Behringer Tube pre any good?
> Thanks for the iput
>
>

My advice is don't buy a tube preamp just because it has a tube in it.
The tube may be operating at low voltages and not doing a heck of a lot.
Better tube preamps are not cheap, either.

I agree that a mic to a real amp is the way to go. Another suggestion
is search out a decent old TUBE reel to reel recorder. You want on that
runs at least at 7.5 IPS. Run it through that at the last stage. It'll
be going through a tube circuit on to analog tape. Then when played
back, a second tube stage. I've picked them up in the $20 range, when I
was in the right place at the right time.

Re: Warming-up my cold recording



> DM wrote:

>> Actually Vocals is where I needed it, I got mixed up with my question
>> here?/
>> I have Mackie mixer and MXL mic..ART or Behringer Tube pre any good?
>> Thanks for the iput

Honestly, the Mackie preamps are better sounding than either of those
starved plate "tube pres" you mentioned... If you want a step up from the
Mackie, start with Presonus (at GC or Sam Ash), et al... Stay AWAY from the
ART... Anything with a tube in it at 100 bucks is a garbage... Trust me.
There's even one mfr. that actually uses an LED to light up the tube in
their pre. No shit. I think it is tha ART, but I can't remember.
Technically, it's in the circuit, but.............. Don't do it man. It's
getting very little voltage and has little to do with the sound.

Have you tried the Mackie pres with the Marshall mic? Should sound decent...
I have very expensive mic pres, I've owned the cheapie tube ones and I can
assure you the the Mackies are more realistic.

You may want to put a compressor in the chain... Google RNC Compressor (from
FMR Audio)... Go to Mercenary Audio,com and see the little beauty. They used
to be $175.00... The also make an inexpensive mic pre, but it's around $500.
That's the type of thing (and the Presonus) that would be a step up from the
Mackie pres... ART is junk. Period. :-)

--
Jeff

http :// tinyurl,com /8sz9r

Re: Warming-up my cold recording

On Feb 15, 7:01 pm, "PRS Geek" <nos...@nospam,com > wrote:
> > DM wrote:
> >> Actually Vocals is where I needed it, I got mixed up with my question
> >> here?/
> >> I have Mackie mixer and MXL mic..ART or Behringer Tube pre any good?
> >> Thanks for the iput
>
> Honestly, the Mackie preamps are better sounding than either of those
> starved plate "tube pres" you mentioned... If you want a step up from the
> Mackie, start with Presonus (at GC or Sam Ash), et al... Stay AWAY from the
> ART... Anything with a tube in it at 100 bucks is a garbage... Trust me.
> There's even one mfr. that actually uses an LED to light up the tube in
> their pre. No shit. I think it is tha ART, but I can't remember.
> Technically, it's in the circuit, but.............. Don't do it man. It's
> getting very little voltage and has little to do with the sound.
>
> Have you tried the Mackie pres with the Marshall mic? Should sound decent...
> I have very expensive mic pres, I've owned the cheapie tube ones and I can
> assure you the the Mackies are more realistic.
>
> You may want to put a compressor in the chain... Google RNC Compressor (from
> FMR Audio)... Go to Mercenary Audio,com and see the little beauty. They used
> to be $175.00... The also make an inexpensive mic pre, but it's around $500.
> That's the type of thing (and the Presonus) that would be a step up from the
> Mackie pres... ART is junk. Period. :-)
>
> --
> Jeff
>
> http :// tinyurl,com /8sz9r


The RNP is an incredible preamp at its price point.

Stay away from those little cheapo starved-toob ART (or similar)
things. Ick.

-dave----:::
www .myspace,com /geetardave

Re: Warming-up my cold recording

On Feb 15, 11:05 pm, "Geetar Dave" <e...@one,net > wrote:
> On Feb 15, 7:01 pm, "PRS Geek" <nos...@nospam,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > > DM wrote:
> > >> Actually Vocals is where I needed it, I got mixed up with my question
> > >> here?/
> > >> I have Mackie mixer and MXL mic..ART or Behringer Tube pre any good?
> > >> Thanks for the iput
>
> > Honestly, the Mackie preamps are better sounding than either of those
> > starved plate "tube pres" you mentioned... If you want a step up from the
> > Mackie, start with Presonus (at GC or Sam Ash), et al... Stay AWAY from the
> > ART... Anything with a tube in it at 100 bucks is a garbage... Trust me.
> > There's even one mfr. that actually uses an LED to light up the tube in
> > their pre. No shit. I think it is tha ART, but I can't remember.
> > Technically, it's in the circuit, but.............. Don't do it man. It's
> > getting very little voltage and has little to do with the sound.
>
> > Have you tried the Mackie pres with the Marshall mic? Should sound decent...
> > I have very expensive mic pres, I've owned the cheapie tube ones and I can
> > assure you the the Mackies are more realistic.
>
> > You may want to put a compressor in the chain... Google RNC Compressor (from
> > FMR Audio)... Go to Mercenary Audio,com and see the little beauty. They used
> > to be $175.00... The also make an inexpensive mic pre, but it's around $500.
> > That's the type of thing (and the Presonus) that would be a step up from the
> > Mackie pres... ART is junk. Period. :-)
>
> > --
> > Jeff
>
> > http :// tinyurl,com /8sz9r
>
> The RNP is an incredible preamp at its price point.
>
> Stay away from those little cheapo starved-toob ART (or similar)
> things. Ick.
>
> -dave----:::www .myspace,com /geetardave

I know people say the ART are crap but I've picked up two of the MP
Studios for $30 each and I love them. They make great preamps. No
noise and they do what they are supposed to do... amplify. Granted
there is nothing in my recording setup that is "top end", so I'm not
recommending them to pros. But I wouldn't want people looking for
something effective and cheap to think that they crap up your signal.
They sound quite fine on vocals and guitar.

Re: Warming-up my cold recording

FLY135 wrote:

> On Feb 15, 11:05 pm, "Geetar Dave" <e...@one,net > wrote:
>
>>On Feb 15, 7:01 pm, "PRS Geek" <nos...@nospam,com > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>DM wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Actually Vocals is where I needed it, I got mixed up with my question
>>>>>here?/
>>>>>I have Mackie mixer and MXL mic..ART or Behringer Tube pre any good?
>>>>>Thanks for the iput
>>
>>>Honestly, the Mackie preamps are better sounding than either of those
>>>starved plate "tube pres" you mentioned... If you want a step up from the
>>>Mackie, start with Presonus (at GC or Sam Ash), et al... Stay AWAY from the
>>>ART... Anything with a tube in it at 100 bucks is a garbage... Trust me.
>>>There's even one mfr. that actually uses an LED to light up the tube in
>>>their pre. No shit. I think it is tha ART, but I can't remember.
>>>Technically, it's in the circuit, but.............. Don't do it man. It's
>>>getting very little voltage and has little to do with the sound.
>>
>>>Have you tried the Mackie pres with the Marshall mic? Should sound decent...
>>>I have very expensive mic pres, I've owned the cheapie tube ones and I can
>>>assure you the the Mackies are more realistic.
>>
>>>You may want to put a compressor in the chain... Google RNC Compressor (from
>>>FMR Audio)... Go to Mercenary Audio,com and see the little beauty. They used
>>>to be $175.00... The also make an inexpensive mic pre, but it's around $500.
>>>That's the type of thing (and the Presonus) that would be a step up from the
>>>Mackie pres... ART is junk. Period. :-)
>>
>>>--
>>>Jeff
>>
>>> http :// tinyurl,com /8sz9r
>>
>>The RNP is an incredible preamp at its price point.
>>
>>Stay away from those little cheapo starved-toob ART (or similar)
>>things. Ick.
>>
>>-dave----:::www .myspace,com /geetardave
>
>
> I know people say the ART are crap but I've picked up two of the MP
> Studios for $30 each and I love them. They make great preamps. No
> noise and they do what they are supposed to do... amplify. Granted
> there is nothing in my recording setup that is "top end", so I'm not
> recommending them to pros. But I wouldn't want people looking for
> something effective and cheap to think that they crap up your signal.
> They sound quite fine on vocals and guitar.

The ART Levelar is a fine little compressor, as well. Just don't expect
it to measure up to a high end all tube unit.

Re: Warming-up my cold recording


"FLY135" <fly_135@hotmail,com > wrote in message
news:1171662686.535794.211470@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups,com ...
> On Feb 15, 11:05 pm, "Geetar Dave" <e...@one,net > wrote:
>> On Feb 15, 7:01 pm, "PRS Geek" <nos...@nospam,com > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > > DM wrote:
>> > >> Actually Vocals is where I needed it, I got mixed up with my
>> > >> question
>> > >> here?/
>> > >> I have Mackie mixer and MXL mic..ART or Behringer Tube pre any good?
>> > >> Thanks for the iput
>>
>> > Honestly, the Mackie preamps are better sounding than either of those
>> > starved plate "tube pres" you mentioned... If you want a step up from
>> > the
>> > Mackie, start with Presonus (at GC or Sam Ash), et al... Stay AWAY from
>> > the
>> > ART... Anything with a tube in it at 100 bucks is a garbage... Trust
>> > me.
>> > There's even one mfr. that actually uses an LED to light up the tube in
>> > their pre. No shit. I think it is tha ART, but I can't remember.
>> > Technically, it's in the circuit, but.............. Don't do it man.
>> > It's
>> > getting very little voltage and has little to do with the sound.
>>
>> > Have you tried the Mackie pres with the Marshall mic? Should sound
>> > decent...
>> > I have very expensive mic pres, I've owned the cheapie tube ones and I
>> > can
>> > assure you the the Mackies are more realistic.
>>
>> > You may want to put a compressor in the chain... Google RNC Compressor
>> > (from
>> > FMR Audio)... Go to Mercenary Audio,com and see the little beauty. They
>> > used
>> > to be $175.00... The also make an inexpensive mic pre, but it's around
>> > $500.
>> > That's the type of thing (and the Presonus) that would be a step up
>> > from the
>> > Mackie pres... ART is junk. Period. :-)
>>
>> > --
>> > Jeff
>>
>> > http :// tinyurl,com /8sz9r
>>
>> The RNP is an incredible preamp at its price point.
>>
>> Stay away from those little cheapo starved-toob ART (or similar)
>> things. Ick.
>>
>> -dave----:::www .myspace,com /geetardave
>
> I know people say the ART are crap but I've picked up two of the MP
> Studios for $30 each and I love them. They make great preamps. No
> noise and they do what they are supposed to do... amplify. Granted
> there is nothing in my recording setup that is "top end", so I'm not
> recommending them to pros. But I wouldn't want people looking for
> something effective and cheap to think that they crap up your signal.
> They sound quite fine on vocals and guitar.

Point is, he already has a Mackie Console, and the preamps are much better
than the ART stuff.

Jeff

Re: Warming-up my cold recording

On Feb 16, 4:51 pm, "FLY135" <fly ...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> On Feb 15, 11:05 pm, "Geetar Dave" <e...@one,net > wrote:

>
> I know people say the ART are crap but I've picked up two of the MP
> Studios for $30 each and I love them. They make great preamps. No
> noise and they do what they are supposed to do... amplify. Granted
> there is nothing in my recording setup that is "top end", so I'm not
> recommending them to pros. But I wouldn't want people looking for
> something effective and cheap to think that they crap up your signal.
> They sound quite fine on vocals and guitar.- Hide quoted text -

Fly, If you love them, that's all that matters. I think if you split
your signal paths, and recorded identical parts through an ART versus,
say, an RNP, you would be stunned by the difference. But to be fair, I
think the Tube MP makes a nice bass preamp for direct recording, and
here's why.

The ART preamps starve a tube of its intended voltage, producing
distortion. It is NOT the same as a real tube circuit operating as an
amplification device. It mostly just adds distortion. Personally, I
like that distortion on basses. I don't want it added to my guitars
(especially acoustic ones) after the microphone though.

We (humans born in the 20th century) were raised listening to
recordings full of distortion. Distortion is an error, a failure of
audio components to accurately reproduce sound. But we find that
effect appealling in some cases (electric guitars, analog tape, etc).
Some compression comes as a result of distortion, and so we find some
of these sounds smoother. Frequency loss occurs with distortion and
compression, so we find these sounds "warmer."

Modern digital is simply more accurate than vintage analog. Whether we
like it or not is a matter of taste. Taste is both subjective and
completely valid.

The starved-tube distortion is generally considered an inferior
quality of sound, but again, taste is subjective. I find these devices
to sound buzzy and shrill when pushed, contrary to the claimed intent
of fullness and warmth. I had an ART Tube MP for a few years, and
recorded some work that went to national broadcast media with it. At
some point I swapped the tube in it, trying several replacements, and
settling on one that had the cleanest sound. It was certainly a
noticeable improvement.

For an audio signal, you basically want one of two things: (a.)
tranparency, or (b.) coloration. I use a real class A tube mic-preamp
(an older Joe Meek VC-1) for recording vocals and snare drums because
I like the coloration (pleasing distortion, EQ shift, compression) it
imparts. I like very transparent preamps for guitars. Those are MY
choices. A different engineer in my studio might choose different uses
for my same gear. Totally valid!

As I said, I like to fuzz up basses a bit when I record. So the ART
Tube MP's starved-tube distortion can give me some extra grit I can't
get from, say, a Grace preamp (super clean). Since I ditched the ART,
I run my bass through that Meek VC-1, slamming the preamp stage and
compressor in it. That gets a little furry. Sometimes I use a real
tube compressor too. I also might run my track through a Marshall amp
plugin to get even more grind into the sound. That's intentional
coloration; i.e, distortion.

So, to sum up my lecture (yeesh, sorry for being so long-winded guys):
If YOU like the sound, it is right. Hope that didn't all sound
imperious or self-righteous. My "respectable day-job" is working as an
audio engineer and producer, and while I'm also a young virile guitar-
hero ;^) I also know my way around an audio signal path. Just hope it
can be helpful.

-dave----:::
www .myspace,com /geetardave

Re: Warming-up my cold recording

On Feb 15, 4:01 pm, "PRS Geek" <nos...@nospam,com > wrote:
> > DM wrote:
> >> Actually Vocals is where I needed it, I got mixed up with my question
> >> here?/
> >> I have Mackie mixer and MXL mic..ART or Behringer Tube pre any good?
> >> Thanks for the iput
>
>>
> Have you tried the Mackie pres with the Marshall mic? Should sound decent...
> I have very expensive mic pres, I've owned the cheapie tube ones and I can
> assure you the the Mackies are more realistic.
>
> You may want to put a compressor in the chain... Google RNC Compressor (from
> FMR Audio)... Go to Mercenary Audio,com and see the little beauty. They used
> to be $175.00... The also make an inexpensive mic pre, but it's around $500.
> That's the type of thing (and the Presonus) that would be a step up from the
> Mackie pres... ART is junk. Period. :-)
>
> --
> Jeff
>
> http :// tinyurl,com /8sz9r


I like the sound I'm gettin' with my mixer and mic setup.. but It just
sounds Icy cold and gets colder when I add delay/reverb on my Digi-
recorder? What's the simpliest warming solution?? don't really wanna
spend alot too :) thanks for your help..

Re: Warming-up my cold recording

On Feb 16, 11:12 am, "DM" <Bols...@netzero,com > wrote:

> I like the sound I'm gettin' with my mixer and mic setup.. but It just
> sounds Icy cold and gets colder when I add delay/reverb on my Digi-
> recorder? What's the simpliest warming solution?? don't really wanna
> spend alot too :) thanks for your help..- Hide quoted text -

By "cold," what do you mean? Bright? Harsh? These terms get confusing.
Sometimes people refer to the EQ curve, and say excessive treble
sounds cold. Other times, the quality of the recording lacks a
pleasant "softness" and seems harsh.

Anyway,
Using darker (less trebly) reverbs or delays always helps. You can EQ
some highs out, or some low-mids in. Furthermore, you can wait for the
finished recording to come together, and do some editing on it. There
are some really good analog tape plugins that can take the edge off
nicely. There are also tube-emulation plugins that do similar things.

But if your recording is flawed in some way, your signal path and
environment are almost certainly to blame. My murky 80-year-old
basement gets "warm" (low mid) sounds that are nice for electric
guitars, but it gets messy when all those low mids come together from
drums, multiple guitars, and vocals. that's where corrective EQ comes
in. I have good mics and decent preamps too, and I have learned (and
still am learning) how to use them all together.

Also, start reading, studying, and asking polite (but detailed)
questions in rec.audio.pro. There is great advice to be found there.

-dave----:::
www .myspace,com /geetardave

Re: Warming-up my cold recording


"Geetar Dave" <ebz@one,net > wrote in message
news:1171644298.316268.111820@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups,com ...
> On Feb 16, 11:12 am, "DM" <Bols...@netzero,com > wrote:
>
>> I like the sound I'm gettin' with my mixer and mic setup.. but It just
>> sounds Icy cold and gets colder when I add delay/reverb on my Digi-
>> recorder? What's the simpliest warming solution?? don't really wanna
>> spend alot too :) thanks for your help..- Hide quoted text -
>
> By "cold," what do you mean? Bright? Harsh? These terms get confusing.
> Sometimes people refer to the EQ curve, and say excessive treble
> sounds cold. Other times, the quality of the recording lacks a
> pleasant "softness" and seems harsh.
>
> Anyway,
> Using darker (less trebly) reverbs or delays always helps. You can EQ
> some highs out, or some low-mids in. Furthermore, you can wait for the
> finished recording to come together, and do some editing on it. There
> are some really good analog tape plugins that can take the edge off
> nicely. There are also tube-emulation plugins that do similar things.
>
> But if your recording is flawed in some way, your signal path and
> environment are almost certainly to blame. My murky 80-year-old
> basement gets "warm" (low mid) sounds that are nice for electric
> guitars, but it gets messy when all those low mids come together from
> drums, multiple guitars, and vocals. that's where corrective EQ comes
> in. I have good mics and decent preamps too, and I have learned (and
> still am learning) how to use them all together.
>
> Also, start reading, studying, and asking polite (but detailed)
> questions in rec.audio.pro. There is great advice to be found there.
>
> -dave----:::
> www .myspace,com /geetardave

Yes, DM... Everything Geetar Dave says is good advice.

One other thing tho... Sometimes if you get real close up on the mic you can
use it's proximity effect to warm up the bottom end. If you're screaming
vocals then you can't do it.

And to add onto what Dave said about "corrective EQ"... I usually start with
subtractive EQ vs. adding frequencies... Dave probably does that to, or so
implies because he's getting mid build up with his room. Guitars and vocals
(and a lot of other stuff) are in the same EQ range, so if you are adding
highs or something to bring the vocals OUT and separate from the guitars the
vocal probably sounds scratchy. Maybe best to subtract from guitar
frequencies that are common with the vocal frequencies so there's no
masking. That's just a "for instance" on how I would use subtractive EQ
first.

For most of my mixes there's rarely anything drastic regarding EQ. Most
usually, it's tiny little cuts at certain frequencies on various
instruments. It's an art and everytime I do it, I have to it differently.
Drums, OTOH, get the most added EQ in my mixes. I'm usually trying to round
out the bass drum so it's sits nice with the bass, etc...

EQing is an art when it comes to mixing. Start experimenting. Your tools are
decent already.

Heck, post a link of the tune...

--
Jeff

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