BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3's hiss problem

BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3's hiss problem

I have BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3, and as part of its emphasizing the
high frequency it creates some hiss, and our soundman is having hard
time with it. Have anyone noted that, and can suggest solution?

Re: BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3's hiss problem

Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in news:WNzDh.5513$EU.1156@trnddc07:

> I have BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3, and as part of its emphasizing the
> high frequency it creates some hiss, and our soundman is having hard
> time with it. Have anyone noted that, and can suggest solution?
>

It's a hard pedal to tame sometimes - and it depends on what you feed into
it... If you have high-gain pickups (Duncan Distortions in my case) or use
a wireless - it gets worse...

Which output are you using?? The DI one??

Re: BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3's hiss problem

The Chris wrote:
> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in news:WNzDh.5513$EU.1156@trnddc07:
>
>> I have BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3, and as part of its emphasizing the
>> high frequency it creates some hiss, and our soundman is having hard
>> time with it. Have anyone noted that, and can suggest solution?
>>
>
> It's a hard pedal to tame sometimes - and it depends on what you feed into
> it... If you have high-gain pickups (Duncan Distortions in my case) or use
> a wireless - it gets worse...
>
> Which output are you using?? The DI one??

I'm using original Strat (neck pickup) connected to BOSS CS-2
(compressor - sustainer) then to the AC-3 and to Boss noise gate to the
amp. So while the noise gate is open there's some annoying hiss.

Re: BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3's hiss problem

Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in news:gjEDh.4$tR1.2@trnddc05:

> The Chris wrote:
>> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
>> news:WNzDh.5513$EU.1156@trnddc07:
>>
>>> I have BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3, and as part of its emphasizing
>>> the high frequency it creates some hiss, and our soundman is having
>>> hard time with it. Have anyone noted that, and can suggest
>>> solution?
>>>
>>
>> It's a hard pedal to tame sometimes - and it depends on what you feed
>> into it... If you have high-gain pickups (Duncan Distortions in my
>> case) or use a wireless - it gets worse...
>>
>> Which output are you using?? The DI one??
>
> I'm using original Strat (neck pickup) connected to BOSS CS-2
> (compressor - sustainer) then to the AC-3 and to Boss noise gate to
> the amp. So while the noise gate is open there's some annoying hiss.
>

That's your problem - the AC-3 has to get a pure signal - preferably from
bridge humbucker... That's how it does it's *simulation*

It was the first thing in my chain - or right after my tuner...

As you know, there are two outputs - one is for the rest of your chain, and
the other is a direct out to a board... Have ALL acoustic effects done by
rack effects at the board. When you step on that pedal, it should CUT the
signal to your amp, and ONLY put sound out to the board...

If you're using it as an 'effect' into an amp through effects, you're
REALLY not going to like it...

I've used that pedal for years - definitely one of my favorites.... those
are MY conclusions after YEARS of dorking with it :)

Re: BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3's hiss problem

The Chris wrote:
> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in news:gjEDh.4$tR1.2@trnddc05:
>
>> The Chris wrote:
>>> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
>>> news:WNzDh.5513$EU.1156@trnddc07:
>>>
>>>> I have BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3, and as part of its emphasizing
>>>> the high frequency it creates some hiss, and our soundman is having
>>>> hard time with it. Have anyone noted that, and can suggest
>>>> solution?
>>>>
>>> It's a hard pedal to tame sometimes - and it depends on what you feed
>>> into it... If you have high-gain pickups (Duncan Distortions in my
>>> case) or use a wireless - it gets worse...
>>>
>>> Which output are you using?? The DI one??
>> I'm using original Strat (neck pickup) connected to BOSS CS-2
>> (compressor - sustainer) then to the AC-3 and to Boss noise gate to
>> the amp. So while the noise gate is open there's some annoying hiss.
>>
>
> That's your problem - the AC-3 has to get a pure signal - preferably from
> bridge humbucker... That's how it does it's *simulation*
>
> It was the first thing in my chain - or right after my tuner...
>
> As you know, there are two outputs - one is for the rest of your chain, and
> the other is a direct out to a board... Have ALL acoustic effects done by
> rack effects at the board. When you step on that pedal, it should CUT the
> signal to your amp, and ONLY put sound out to the board...
>
> If you're using it as an 'effect' into an amp through effects, you're
> REALLY not going to like it...
>
> I've used that pedal for years - definitely one of my favorites.... those
> are MY conclusions after YEARS of dorking with it :)
>

I think I also tried to disable the CS-2 but the annoying hiss still
remained.

But let me understand what you are suggesting. The AC-3 has 2 outputs,
called OUTPUT and E.G.. Which one should I connect to th rest of the
pedals, and which directly to the board bypassing the pedals?

Also, when bypassing the rest of the pedals, can I connect it right to
the amp?

Thanks,

Re: BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3's hiss problem


"Gonzo" <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in message
news:kI2Eh.239$Tg7.146@trnddc03...
> The Chris wrote:
>> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in news:gjEDh.4$tR1.2@trnddc05:
>>
>>> The Chris wrote:
>>>> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
>>>> news:WNzDh.5513$EU.1156@trnddc07:
>>>>> I have BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3, and as part of its emphasizing
>>>>> the high frequency it creates some hiss, and our soundman is having
>>>>> hard time with it. Have anyone noted that, and can suggest
>>>>> solution?
>>>> It's a hard pedal to tame sometimes - and it depends on what you feed
>>>> into it... If you have high-gain pickups (Duncan Distortions in my
>>>> case) or use a wireless - it gets worse...
>>>>
>>>> Which output are you using?? The DI one??
>>> I'm using original Strat (neck pickup) connected to BOSS CS-2
>>> (compressor - sustainer) then to the AC-3 and to Boss noise gate to
>>> the amp. So while the noise gate is open there's some annoying hiss.
>>>
>>
>> That's your problem - the AC-3 has to get a pure signal - preferably from
>> bridge humbucker... That's how it does it's *simulation*
>>
>> It was the first thing in my chain - or right after my tuner... As you
>> know, there are two outputs - one is for the rest of your chain, and the
>> other is a direct out to a board... Have ALL acoustic effects done by
>> rack effects at the board. When you step on that pedal, it should CUT
>> the signal to your amp, and ONLY put sound out to the board...
>>
>> If you're using it as an 'effect' into an amp through effects, you're
>> REALLY not going to like it...
>>
>> I've used that pedal for years - definitely one of my favorites.... those
>> are MY conclusions after YEARS of dorking with it :)
>>
>
> I think I also tried to disable the CS-2 but the annoying hiss still
> remained.
>
> But let me understand what you are suggesting. The AC-3 has 2 outputs,
> called OUTPUT and E.G.. Which one should I connect to th rest of the
> pedals, and which directly to the board bypassing the pedals?
>
> Also, when bypassing the rest of the pedals, can I connect it right to the
> amp?
>
> Thanks,

I use the AC-3 with great results.
I use it with a Strat ,neck pu full treble.,, (humbuckers don't come close
to a single coil with it) <tuner<AC-3 ( set jumbo,body 2-3oc, top max, **vol
<12oc>varies slightly, slight reverb)** there's where your problem may be,
expecting an acoustic guitar to be louder than it's supposed to be
naturally, way over the top.<boss comp ( set for my sound before ever
engaging the AC-3, I set the AC-3 vol after all the other pedals are set) <
OD's, flangers, delays,looper< chorus< out to two amps for stereo... The
only pedals I use with the AC-3 is the Comp(always on,preset) the looper,
and the chorus(always on to split to two amps).. Like I mentioned, it may
just be you're trying to get too much volume out of it creating the hiss.I
don't even use my clean boost pedal for it to do lead parts, I just dig into
the strings harder and it reacts just like a real acoustic.
I've tried it all over my chain and this worked, and sounded the best.
Sonny

Re: BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3's hiss problem

Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in news:kI2Eh.239$Tg7.146@trnddc03:

> The Chris wrote:
>> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in news:gjEDh.4$tR1.2@trnddc05:
>>
>>> The Chris wrote:
>>>> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
>>>> news:WNzDh.5513$EU.1156@trnddc07:
>>>>
>>>>> I have BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3, and as part of its
>>>>> emphasizing the high frequency it creates some hiss, and our
>>>>> soundman is having hard time with it. Have anyone noted that, and
>>>>> can suggest solution?
>>>>>
>>>> It's a hard pedal to tame sometimes - and it depends on what you
>>>> feed into it... If you have high-gain pickups (Duncan Distortions
>>>> in my case) or use a wireless - it gets worse...
>>>>
>>>> Which output are you using?? The DI one??
>>> I'm using original Strat (neck pickup) connected to BOSS CS-2
>>> (compressor - sustainer) then to the AC-3 and to Boss noise gate to
>>> the amp. So while the noise gate is open there's some annoying
>>> hiss.
>>>
>>
>> That's your problem - the AC-3 has to get a pure signal - preferably
>> from bridge humbucker... That's how it does it's *simulation*
>>
>> It was the first thing in my chain - or right after my tuner...
>>
>> As you know, there are two outputs - one is for the rest of your
>> chain, and the other is a direct out to a board... Have ALL acoustic
>> effects done by rack effects at the board. When you step on that
>> pedal, it should CUT the signal to your amp, and ONLY put sound out
>> to the board...
>>
>> If you're using it as an 'effect' into an amp through effects, you're
>> REALLY not going to like it...
>>
>> I've used that pedal for years - definitely one of my favorites....
>> those are MY conclusions after YEARS of dorking with it :)
>>
>
> I think I also tried to disable the CS-2 but the annoying hiss still
> remained.
>
> But let me understand what you are suggesting. The AC-3 has 2
> outputs, called OUTPUT and E.G.. Which one should I connect to th
> rest of the pedals, and which directly to the board bypassing the
> pedals?
>
> Also, when bypassing the rest of the pedals, can I connect it right to
> the amp?
>
> Thanks,
>

The EG output (which to this day, I can't remember what it stands for)
goes to the PA... The other is used as the regular stompbox output.
However, when you use the EG output, and turn ON the pedal, it will CUT
the output to the rest of the pedals, and just feed the PA. Which is why
you want it to be really first in your chain...

I don't understand your last question...Hopefully I answered it above...

I had to make a special cable for the EG output.. Not really a special
cable - but I think it requres a TRS 1/4" to a standard XLR... It doesn't
require a direct box or anything...

There are ways to set it where you'll get a lot of his... You just have
to back down on one of the knobs - but, that's why I think it's better to
feed it with a beefy humbucker - to lower the S/N ratio.

Let me know if that helps...

As a funny aside.... I did a live album a few years back where I used
that pedal... I did EVERYTHING wrong and decided to use a wireless that
night and feed it into an amp instead of FOH... It's SO clear when I turn
the pedal off during the song and 'give up' because it sounded so
horrible with my wirelss.

It was AFTER that that I learned what I was doing wrong :)

Re: BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3's hiss problem

The Chris wrote:
> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in news:kI2Eh.239$Tg7.146@trnddc03:
>
>> The Chris wrote:
>>> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in news:gjEDh.4$tR1.2@trnddc05:
>>>
>>>> The Chris wrote:
>>>>> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
>>>>> news:WNzDh.5513$EU.1156@trnddc07:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3, and as part of its
>>>>>> emphasizing the high frequency it creates some hiss, and our
>>>>>> soundman is having hard time with it. Have anyone noted that, and
>>>>>> can suggest solution?
>>>>>>
>>>>> It's a hard pedal to tame sometimes - and it depends on what you
>>>>> feed into it... If you have high-gain pickups (Duncan Distortions
>>>>> in my case) or use a wireless - it gets worse...
>>>>>
>>>>> Which output are you using?? The DI one??
>>>> I'm using original Strat (neck pickup) connected to BOSS CS-2
>>>> (compressor - sustainer) then to the AC-3 and to Boss noise gate to
>>>> the amp. So while the noise gate is open there's some annoying
>>>> hiss.
>>>>
>>> That's your problem - the AC-3 has to get a pure signal - preferably
>>> from bridge humbucker... That's how it does it's *simulation*
>>>
>>> It was the first thing in my chain - or right after my tuner...
>>>
>>> As you know, there are two outputs - one is for the rest of your
>>> chain, and the other is a direct out to a board... Have ALL acoustic
>>> effects done by rack effects at the board. When you step on that
>>> pedal, it should CUT the signal to your amp, and ONLY put sound out
>>> to the board...
>>>
>>> If you're using it as an 'effect' into an amp through effects, you're
>>> REALLY not going to like it...
>>>
>>> I've used that pedal for years - definitely one of my favorites....
>>> those are MY conclusions after YEARS of dorking with it :)
>>>
>> I think I also tried to disable the CS-2 but the annoying hiss still
>> remained.
>>
>> But let me understand what you are suggesting. The AC-3 has 2
>> outputs, called OUTPUT and E.G.. Which one should I connect to th
>> rest of the pedals, and which directly to the board bypassing the
>> pedals?
>>
>> Also, when bypassing the rest of the pedals, can I connect it right to
>> the amp?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>
> The EG output (which to this day, I can't remember what it stands for)
> goes to the PA... The other is used as the regular stompbox output.
> However, when you use the EG output, and turn ON the pedal, it will CUT
> the output to the rest of the pedals, and just feed the PA. Which is why
> you want it to be really first in your chain...
>
> I don't understand your last question...Hopefully I answered it above...
>
> I had to make a special cable for the EG output.. Not really a special
> cable - but I think it requres a TRS 1/4" to a standard XLR... It doesn't
> require a direct box or anything...
>
> There are ways to set it where you'll get a lot of his... You just have
> to back down on one of the knobs - but, that's why I think it's better to
> feed it with a beefy humbucker - to lower the S/N ratio.
>
> Let me know if that helps...
>
> As a funny aside.... I did a live album a few years back where I used
> that pedal... I did EVERYTHING wrong and decided to use a wireless that
> night and feed it into an amp instead of FOH... It's SO clear when I turn
> the pedal off during the song and 'give up' because it sounded so
> horrible with my wirelss.
>
> It was AFTER that that I learned what I was doing wrong :)

OK I'll try it, You are suggesting to:
1. Have the guitar connected DIRECTLY to the AC-2 (mine is AC-2
actually), and connect all other pedals such as CS-2 after AC-2,
2. Direct line signal from E.G. to PA (disable all guitar amp sound), or
OUTPUT directly to guitar amp (bypass all other pedals), as shown in
p.9-13 of, the owner's manual:
* cachepe.zzounds . com /media/AC-3 OM-3df5da019955be12914c57bb2e67eb3c.pdf
(I prefer it to go to my guitar amp if possible, since that's how it's
usually used as monitor for me)

I also have NS-2 Noise Suppressor Pedal, where my guitar is normally
plugged in first, should I connect the AC-2 to be the first pedal IN its
loop (Proposed setup A) or before the loop (Proposed setup B)?

My old setup (AC-2 & TS-909 are never used together, CS-2 is used most
of the time):
DD <- NS-2 <- Guitar
^ >-----------NS-2 LOOP---------->|
^ GE-7 <- AC-2 <- TS-909 <- CS-2 <-|

Proposed setup A:
DD <- NS-2 <- Guitar
^ >-----------NS-2 LOOP---------->|
^ GE-7 <- TS-909 <- CS-2 <- AC-2 <-|

Proposed setup B:
DD <- NS-2 <- AC-2 <- Guitar
^ >-------NS-2 LOOP------->|
^ GE-7 <- TS-909 <- CS-2 <- |

Thanks!

Re: BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3's hiss problem

Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
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> The Chris wrote:
>> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
>> news:kI2Eh.239$Tg7.146@trnddc03:
>>
>>> The Chris wrote:
>>>> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
>>>> news:gjEDh.4$tR1.2@trnddc05:
>>>>
>>>>> The Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
>>>>>> news:WNzDh.5513$EU.1156@trnddc07:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3, and as part of its
>>>>>>> emphasizing the high frequency it creates some hiss, and our
>>>>>>> soundman is having hard time with it. Have anyone noted that,
>>>>>>> and can suggest solution?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a hard pedal to tame sometimes - and it depends on what you
>>>>>> feed into it... If you have high-gain pickups (Duncan
>>>>>> Distortions in my case) or use a wireless - it gets worse...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which output are you using?? The DI one??
>>>>> I'm using original Strat (neck pickup) connected to BOSS CS-2
>>>>> (compressor - sustainer) then to the AC-3 and to Boss noise gate
>>>>> to the amp. So while the noise gate is open there's some annoying
>>>>> hiss.
>>>>>
>>>> That's your problem - the AC-3 has to get a pure signal -
>>>> preferably from bridge humbucker... That's how it does it's
>>>> *simulation*
>>>>
>>>> It was the first thing in my chain - or right after my tuner...
>>>>
>>>> As you know, there are two outputs - one is for the rest of your
>>>> chain, and the other is a direct out to a board... Have ALL
>>>> acoustic effects done by rack effects at the board. When you step
>>>> on that pedal, it should CUT the signal to your amp, and ONLY put
>>>> sound out to the board...
>>>>
>>>> If you're using it as an 'effect' into an amp through effects,
>>>> you're REALLY not going to like it...
>>>>
>>>> I've used that pedal for years - definitely one of my favorites....
>>>> those are MY conclusions after YEARS of dorking with it :)
>>>>
>>> I think I also tried to disable the CS-2 but the annoying hiss still
>>> remained.
>>>
>>> But let me understand what you are suggesting. The AC-3 has 2
>>> outputs, called OUTPUT and E.G.. Which one should I connect to th
>>> rest of the pedals, and which directly to the board bypassing the
>>> pedals?
>>>
>>> Also, when bypassing the rest of the pedals, can I connect it right
>>> to the amp?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>
>> The EG output (which to this day, I can't remember what it stands
>> for) goes to the PA... The other is used as the regular stompbox
>> output. However, when you use the EG output, and turn ON the pedal,
>> it will CUT the output to the rest of the pedals, and just feed the
>> PA. Which is why you want it to be really first in your chain...
>>
>> I don't understand your last question...Hopefully I answered it
>> above...
>>
>> I had to make a special cable for the EG output.. Not really a
>> special cable - but I think it requres a TRS 1/4" to a standard
>> XLR... It doesn't require a direct box or anything...
>>
>> There are ways to set it where you'll get a lot of his... You just
>> have to back down on one of the knobs - but, that's why I think it's
>> better to feed it with a beefy humbucker - to lower the S/N ratio.
>>
>> Let me know if that helps...
>>
>> As a funny aside.... I did a live album a few years back where I used
>> that pedal... I did EVERYTHING wrong and decided to use a wireless
>> that night and feed it into an amp instead of FOH... It's SO clear
>> when I turn the pedal off during the song and 'give up' because it
>> sounded so horrible with my wirelss.
>>
>> It was AFTER that that I learned what I was doing wrong :)
>
> OK I'll try it, You are suggesting to:
> 1. Have the guitar connected DIRECTLY to the AC-2 (mine is AC-2
> actually), and connect all other pedals such as CS-2 after AC-2,
> 2. Direct line signal from E.G. to PA (disable all guitar amp sound),
> or OUTPUT directly to guitar amp (bypass all other pedals), as shown
> in p.9-13 of, the owner's manual:
> * cachepe.zzounds . com /media/AC-3_OM-3df5da019955be12914c57bb2e67eb
> 3c.pdf (I prefer it to go to my guitar amp if possible, since that's
> how it's usually used as monitor for me)
>
> I also have NS-2 Noise Suppressor Pedal, where my guitar is normally
> plugged in first, should I connect the AC-2 to be the first pedal IN
> its loop (Proposed setup A) or before the loop (Proposed setup B)?
>
> My old setup (AC-2 & TS-909 are never used together, CS-2 is used most
> of the time):
> DD <- NS-2 <- Guitar
> ^ >-----------NS-2 LOOP---------->|
> ^ GE-7 <- AC-2 <- TS-909 <- CS-2 <-|
>
> Proposed setup A:
> DD <- NS-2 <- Guitar
> ^ >-----------NS-2 LOOP---------->|
> ^ GE-7 <- TS-909 <- CS-2 <- AC-2 <-|
>
> Proposed setup B:
> DD <- NS-2 <- AC-2 <- Guitar
> ^ >-------NS-2 LOOP------->|
> ^ GE-7 <- TS-909 <- CS-2 <- |
>
> Thanks!
>

* w w w .woodbrass . com /images/woodbrass/BOSS-AC-2.JPG

I had an AC-2 also - the outputs are labled differently (as you know)
but, when you step on the pedal (the light goes on) and both outputs are
used, it should CUT the one that goes to your amp, and activate the one
that goes to the PA with the simulation sound.... If you have a bunch of
Boss pedals -and a BCB-6 - It would be clear to see which output is the
regular pass-through output.. The other one (I think it's labeled E.G.)
is the PA one.

Both Proposed setups look good - one having the AC-2 in the NS-2 loop,
and one not. I had an NS-2 for long time, but, not when I had the AC-2.
I don't think it's necessary to be in there, so, I'm leaning towards 'B'

When you get that down, it RULES playing a song with an acoustic intro
(through the PA) and then with one step, having it switch to your
distorted amp sound... . it 's really a top notch amp switcher... Nothing is
cleaner for the price.

Re: BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3's hiss problem

The Chris wrote:
> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
> news:Z4JEh.3899$854.2825@trnddc04:
>
>> The Chris wrote:
>>> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
>>> news:kI2Eh.239$Tg7.146@trnddc03:
>>>
>>>> The Chris wrote:
>>>>> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
>>>>> news:gjEDh.4$tR1.2@trnddc05:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Chris wrote:
>>>>>>> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
>>>>>>> news:WNzDh.5513$EU.1156@trnddc07:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3, and as part of its
>>>>>>>> emphasizing the high frequency it creates some hiss, and our
>>>>>>>> soundman is having hard time with it. Have anyone noted that,
>>>>>>>> and can suggest solution?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a hard pedal to tame sometimes - and it depends on what you
>>>>>>> feed into it... If you have high-gain pickups (Duncan
>>>>>>> Distortions in my case) or use a wireless - it gets worse...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which output are you using?? The DI one??
>>>>>> I'm using original Strat (neck pickup) connected to BOSS CS-2
>>>>>> (compressor - sustainer) then to the AC-3 and to Boss noise gate
>>>>>> to the amp. So while the noise gate is open there's some annoying
>>>>>> hiss.
>>>>>>
>>>>> That's your problem - the AC-3 has to get a pure signal -
>>>>> preferably from bridge humbucker... That's how it does it's
>>>>> *simulation*
>>>>>
>>>>> It was the first thing in my chain - or right after my tuner...
>>>>>
>>>>> As you know, there are two outputs - one is for the rest of your
>>>>> chain, and the other is a direct out to a board... Have ALL
>>>>> acoustic effects done by rack effects at the board. When you step
>>>>> on that pedal, it should CUT the signal to your amp, and ONLY put
>>>>> sound out to the board...
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're using it as an 'effect' into an amp through effects,
>>>>> you're REALLY not going to like it...
>>>>>
>>>>> I've used that pedal for years - definitely one of my favorites....
>>>>> those are MY conclusions after YEARS of dorking with it :)
>>>>>
>>>> I think I also tried to disable the CS-2 but the annoying hiss still
>>>> remained.
>>>>
>>>> But let me understand what you are suggesting. The AC-3 has 2
>>>> outputs, called OUTPUT and E.G.. Which one should I connect to th
>>>> rest of the pedals, and which directly to the board bypassing the
>>>> pedals?
>>>>
>>>> Also, when bypassing the rest of the pedals, can I connect it right
>>>> to the amp?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>> The EG output (which to this day, I can't remember what it stands
>>> for) goes to the PA... The other is used as the regular stompbox
>>> output. However, when you use the EG output, and turn ON the pedal,
>>> it will CUT the output to the rest of the pedals, and just feed the
>>> PA. Which is why you want it to be really first in your chain...
>>>
>>> I don't understand your last question...Hopefully I answered it
>>> above...
>>>
>>> I had to make a special cable for the EG output.. Not really a
>>> special cable - but I think it requres a TRS 1/4" to a standard
>>> XLR... It doesn't require a direct box or anything...
>>>
>>> There are ways to set it where you'll get a lot of his... You just
>>> have to back down on one of the knobs - but, that's why I think it's
>>> better to feed it with a beefy humbucker - to lower the S/N ratio.
>>>
>>> Let me know if that helps...
>>>
>>> As a funny aside.... I did a live album a few years back where I used
>>> that pedal... I did EVERYTHING wrong and decided to use a wireless
>>> that night and feed it into an amp instead of FOH... It's SO clear
>>> when I turn the pedal off during the song and 'give up' because it
>>> sounded so horrible with my wirelss.
>>>
>>> It was AFTER that that I learned what I was doing wrong :)
>> OK I'll try it, You are suggesting to:
>> 1. Have the guitar connected DIRECTLY to the AC-2 (mine is AC-2
>> actually), and connect all other pedals such as CS-2 after AC-2,
>> 2. Direct line signal from E.G. to PA (disable all guitar amp sound),
>> or OUTPUT directly to guitar amp (bypass all other pedals), as shown
>> in p.9-13 of, the owner's manual:
>> * cachepe.zzounds . com /media/AC-3 OM-3df5da019955be12914c57bb2e67eb
>> 3c.pdf (I prefer it to go to my guitar amp if possible, since that's
>> how it's usually used as monitor for me)
>>
>> I also have NS-2 Noise Suppressor Pedal, where my guitar is normally
>> plugged in first, should I connect the AC-2 to be the first pedal IN
>> its loop (Proposed setup A) or before the loop (Proposed setup B)?
>>
>> My old setup (AC-2 & TS-909 are never used together, CS-2 is used most
>> of the time):
>> DD <- NS-2 <- Guitar
>> ^ >-----------NS-2 LOOP---------->|
>> ^ GE-7 <- AC-2 <- TS-909 <- CS-2 <-|
>>
>> Proposed setup A:
>> DD <- NS-2 <- Guitar
>> ^ >-----------NS-2 LOOP---------->|
>> ^ GE-7 <- TS-909 <- CS-2 <- AC-2 <-|
>>
>> Proposed setup B:
>> DD <- NS-2 <- AC-2 <- Guitar
>> ^ >-------NS-2 LOOP------->|
>> ^ GE-7 <- TS-909 <- CS-2 <- |
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>
> * w w w .woodbrass . com /images/woodbrass/BOSS-AC-2.JPG
>
> I had an AC-2 also - the outputs are labled differently (as you know)
> but, when you step on the pedal (the light goes on) and both outputs are
> used, it should CUT the one that goes to your amp, and activate the one
> that goes to the PA with the simulation sound.... If you have a bunch of
> Boss pedals -and a BCB-6 - It would be clear to see which output is the
> regular pass-through output.. The other one (I think it's labeled E.G.)
> is the PA one.
>
> Both Proposed setups look good - one having the AC-2 in the NS-2 loop,
> and one not. I had an NS-2 for long time, but, not when I had the AC-2.
> I don't think it's necessary to be in there, so, I'm leaning towards 'B'
>
> When you get that down, it RULES playing a song with an acoustic intro
> (through the PA) and then with one step, having it switch to your
> distorted amp sound... . it 's really a top notch amp switcher... Nothing is
> cleaner for the price.

Just to make sure, even with Proposed setup A or B, there is no way to
connect the AC-2 to my guitar amp (i.e. without the E.G.->PA switch) and
yet to get sound without hiss?

Re: BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3's hiss problem

Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
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> The Chris wrote:
>> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
>> news:Z4JEh.3899$854.2825@trnddc04:
>>
>>> The Chris wrote:
>>>> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
>>>> news:kI2Eh.239$Tg7.146@trnddc03:
>>>>
>>>>> The Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
>>>>>> news:gjEDh.4$tR1.2@trnddc05:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:WNzDh.5513$EU.1156@trnddc07:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3, and as part of its
>>>>>>>>> emphasizing the high frequency it creates some hiss, and our
>>>>>>>>> soundman is having hard time with it. Have anyone noted that,
>>>>>>>>> and can suggest solution?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's a hard pedal to tame sometimes - and it depends on what
>>>>>>>> you feed into it... If you have high-gain pickups (Duncan
>>>>>>>> Distortions in my case) or use a wireless - it gets worse...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which output are you using?? The DI one??
>>>>>>> I'm using original Strat (neck pickup) connected to BOSS CS-2
>>>>>>> (compressor - sustainer) then to the AC-3 and to Boss noise gate
>>>>>>> to the amp. So while the noise gate is open there's some
>>>>>>> annoying hiss.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's your problem - the AC-3 has to get a pure signal -
>>>>>> preferably from bridge humbucker... That's how it does it's
>>>>>> *simulation*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was the first thing in my chain - or right after my tuner...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As you know, there are two outputs - one is for the rest of your
>>>>>> chain, and the other is a direct out to a board... Have ALL
>>>>>> acoustic effects done by rack effects at the board. When you
>>>>>> step on that pedal, it should CUT the signal to your amp, and
>>>>>> ONLY put sound out to the board...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you're using it as an 'effect' into an amp through effects,
>>>>>> you're REALLY not going to like it...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've used that pedal for years - definitely one of my
>>>>>> favorites.... those are MY conclusions after YEARS of dorking
>>>>>> with it :)
>>>>>>
>>>>> I think I also tried to disable the CS-2 but the annoying hiss
>>>>> still remained.
>>>>>
>>>>> But let me understand what you are suggesting. The AC-3 has 2
>>>>> outputs, called OUTPUT and E.G.. Which one should I connect to th
>>>>> rest of the pedals, and which directly to the board bypassing the
>>>>> pedals?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, when bypassing the rest of the pedals, can I connect it
>>>>> right to the amp?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>> The EG output (which to this day, I can't remember what it stands
>>>> for) goes to the PA... The other is used as the regular stompbox
>>>> output. However, when you use the EG output, and turn ON the
>>>> pedal, it will CUT the output to the rest of the pedals, and just
>>>> feed the PA. Which is why you want it to be really first in your
>>>> chain...
>>>>
>>>> I don't understand your last question...Hopefully I answered it
>>>> above...
>>>>
>>>> I had to make a special cable for the EG output.. Not really a
>>>> special cable - but I think it requres a TRS 1/4" to a standard
>>>> XLR... It doesn't require a direct box or anything...
>>>>
>>>> There are ways to set it where you'll get a lot of his... You just
>>>> have to back down on one of the knobs - but, that's why I think
>>>> it's better to feed it with a beefy humbucker - to lower the S/N
>>>> ratio.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if that helps...
>>>>
>>>> As a funny aside.... I did a live album a few years back where I
>>>> used that pedal... I did EVERYTHING wrong and decided to use a
>>>> wireless that night and feed it into an amp instead of FOH... It's
>>>> SO clear when I turn the pedal off during the song and 'give up'
>>>> because it sounded so horrible with my wirelss.
>>>>
>>>> It was AFTER that that I learned what I was doing wrong :)
>>> OK I'll try it, You are suggesting to:
>>> 1. Have the guitar connected DIRECTLY to the AC-2 (mine is AC-2
>>> actually), and connect all other pedals such as CS-2 after AC-2,
>>> 2. Direct line signal from E.G. to PA (disable all guitar amp
>>> sound), or OUTPUT directly to guitar amp (bypass all other pedals),
>>> as shown in p.9-13 of, the owner's manual:
>>> * cachepe.zzounds . com /media/AC-3_OM-3df5da019955be12914c57bb2e67
>>> eb 3c.pdf (I prefer it to go to my guitar amp if possible, since
>>> that's how it's usually used as monitor for me)
>>>
>>> I also have NS-2 Noise Suppressor Pedal, where my guitar is normally
>>> plugged in first, should I connect the AC-2 to be the first pedal IN
>>> its loop (Proposed setup A) or before the loop (Proposed setup B)?
>>>
>>> My old setup (AC-2 & TS-909 are never used together, CS-2 is used
>>> most of the time):
>>> DD <- NS-2 <- Guitar
>>> ^ >-----------NS-2 LOOP---------->|
>>> ^ GE-7 <- AC-2 <- TS-909 <- CS-2 <-|
>>>
>>> Proposed setup A:
>>> DD <- NS-2 <- Guitar
>>> ^ >-----------NS-2 LOOP---------->|
>>> ^ GE-7 <- TS-909 <- CS-2 <- AC-2 <-|
>>>
>>> Proposed setup B:
>>> DD <- NS-2 <- AC-2 <- Guitar
>>> ^ >-------NS-2 LOOP------->|
>>> ^ GE-7 <- TS-909 <- CS-2 <- |
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>
>> * w w w .woodbrass . com /images/woodbrass/BOSS-AC-2.JPG
>>
>> I had an AC-2 also - the outputs are labled differently (as you know)
>> but, when you step on the pedal (the light goes on) and both outputs
>> are used, it should CUT the one that goes to your amp, and activate
>> the one that goes to the PA with the simulation sound.... If you have
>> a bunch of Boss pedals -and a BCB-6 - It would be clear to see which
>> output is the regular pass-through output.. The other one (I think
>> it's labeled E.G.) is the PA one.
>>
>> Both Proposed setups look good - one having the AC-2 in the NS-2
>> loop, and one not. I had an NS-2 for long time, but, not when I had
>> the AC-2. I don't think it's necessary to be in there, so, I'm
>> leaning towards 'B'
>>
>> When you get that down, it RULES playing a song with an acoustic
>> intro (through the PA) and then with one step, having it switch to
>> your distorted amp sound... . it 's really a top notch amp switcher...
>> Nothing is cleaner for the price.
>
> Just to make sure, even with Proposed setup A or B, there is no way to
> connect the AC-2 to my guitar amp (i.e. without the E.G.->PA switch)
> and yet to get sound without hiss?
>

It's just not voiced for a guitar amp...Simply put... I used it for years
like like - stepping on the pedal, and having it sound *kind of* like an
acoustic. But, it will sound crappy.. and I guess hissy...

The only good way I've used it is to have it cut the amp signal, and pump
that sound to the PA... Is that what you're asking??

Re: BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3's hiss problem

The Chris wrote:
> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
> news:kMZEh.3961$854.634@trnddc04:
>
>> The Chris wrote:
>>> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
>>> news:Z4JEh.3899$854.2825@trnddc04:
>>>
>>>> The Chris wrote:
>>>>> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
>>>>> news:kI2Eh.239$Tg7.146@trnddc03:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Chris wrote:
>>>>>>> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
>>>>>>> news:gjEDh.4$tR1.2@trnddc05:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Gonzo <Gonzo@nospamplease . com > wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:WNzDh.5513$EU.1156@trnddc07:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have BOSS Acoustic Simulator AC-3, and as part of its
>>>>>>>>>> emphasizing the high frequency it creates some hiss, and our
>>>>>>>>>> soundman is having hard time with it. Have anyone noted that,
>>>>>>>>>> and can suggest solution?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's a hard pedal to tame sometimes - and it depends on what
>>>>>>>>> you feed into it... If you have high-gain pickups (Duncan
>>>>>>>>> Distortions in my case) or use a wireless - it gets worse...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which output are you using?? The DI one??
>>>>>>>> I'm using original Strat (neck pickup) connected to BOSS CS-2
>>>>>>>> (compressor - sustainer) then to the AC-3 and to Boss noise gate
>>>>>>>> to the amp. So while the noise gate is open there's some
>>>>>>>> annoying hiss.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's your problem - the AC-3 has to get a pure signal -
>>>>>>> preferably from bridge humbucker... That's how it does it's
>>>>>>> *simulation*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was the first thing in my chain - or right after my tuner...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As you know, there are two outputs - one is for the rest of your
>>>>>>> chain, and the other is a direct out to a board... Have ALL
>>>>>>> acoustic effects done by rack effects at the board. When you
>>>>>>> step on that pedal, it should CUT the signal to your amp, and
>>>>>>> ONLY put sound out to the board...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you're using it as an 'effect' into an amp through effects,
>>>>>>> you're REALLY not going to like it...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've used that pedal for years - definitely one of my
>>>>>>> favorites.... those are MY conclusions after YEARS of dorking
>>>>>>> with it :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I also tried to disable the CS-2 but the annoying hiss
>>>>>> still remained.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But let me understand what you are suggesting. The AC-3 has 2
>>>>>> outputs, called OUTPUT and E.G.. Which one should I connect to th
>>>>>> rest of the pedals, and which directly to the board bypassing the
>>>>>> pedals?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, when bypassing the rest of the pedals, can I connect it
>>>>>> right to the amp?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>> The EG output (which to this day, I can't remember what it stands
>>>>> for) goes to the PA... The other is used as the regular stompbox
>>>>> output. However, when you use the EG output, and turn ON the
>>>>> pedal, it will CUT the output to the rest of the pedals, and just
>>>>> feed the PA. Which is why you want it to be really first in your
>>>>> chain...
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't understand your last question...Hopefully I answered it
>>>>> above...
>>>>>
>>>>> I had to make a special cable for the EG output.. Not really a
>>>>> special cable - but I think it requres a TRS 1/4" to a standard
>>>>> XLR... It doesn't require a direct box or anything...
>>>>>
>>>>> There are ways to set it where you'll get a lot of his... You just
>>>>> have to back down on one of the knobs - but, that's why I think
>>>>> it's better to feed it with a beefy humbucker - to lower the S/N
>>>>> ratio.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know if that helps...
>>>>>
>>>>> As a funny aside.... I did a live album a few years back where I
>>>>> used that pedal... I did EVERYTHING wrong and decided to use a
>>>>> wireless that night and feed it into an amp instead of FOH... It's
>>>>> SO clear when I turn the pedal off during the song and 'give up'
>>>>> because it sounded so horrible with my wirelss.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was AFTER that that I learned what I was doing wrong :)
>>>> OK I'll try it, You are suggesting to:
>>>> 1. Have the guitar connected DIRECTLY to the AC-2 (mine is AC-2
>>>> actually), and connect all other pedals such as CS-2 after AC-2,
>>>> 2. Direct line signal from E.G. to PA (disable all guitar amp
>>>> sound), or OUTPUT directly to guitar amp (bypass all other pedals),
>>>> as shown in p.9-13 of, the owner's manual:
>>>> * cachepe.zzounds . com /media/AC-3 OM-3df5da019955be12914c57bb2e67
>>>> eb 3c.pdf (I prefer it to go to my guitar amp if possible, since
>>>> that's how it's usually used as monitor for me)
>>>>
>>>> I also have NS-2 Noise Suppressor Pedal, where my guitar is normally
>>>> plugged in first, should I connect the AC-2 to be the first pedal IN
>>>> its loop (Proposed setup A) or before the loop (Proposed setup B)?
>>>>
>>>> My old setup (AC-2 & TS-909 are never used together, CS-2 is used
>>>> most of the time):
>>>> DD <- NS-2 <- Guitar
>>>> ^ >-----------NS-2 LOOP---------->|
>>>> ^ GE-7 <- AC-2 <- TS-909 <- CS-2 <-|
>>>>
>>>> Proposed setup A:
>>>> DD <- NS-2 <- Guitar
>>>> ^ >-----------NS-2 LOOP---------->|
>>>> ^ GE-7 <- TS-909 <- CS-2 <- AC-2 <-|
>>>>
>>>> Proposed setup B:
>>>> DD <- NS-2 <- AC-2 <- Guitar
>>>> ^ >-------NS-2 LOOP------->|
>>>> ^ GE-7 <- TS-909 <- CS-2 <- |
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>> * w w w .woodbrass . com /images/woodbrass/BOSS-AC-2.JPG
>>>
>>> I had an AC-2 also - the outputs are labled differently (as you know)
>>> but, when you step on the pedal (the light goes on) and both outputs
>>> are used, it should CUT the one that goes to your amp, and activate
>>> the one that goes to the PA with the simulation sound.... If you have
>>> a bunch of Boss pedals -and a BCB-6 - It would be clear to see which
>>> output is the regular pass-through output.. The other one (I think
>>> it's labeled E.G.) is the PA one.
>>>
>>> Both Proposed setups look good - one having the AC-2 in the NS-2
>>> loop, and one not. I had an NS-2 for long time, but, not when I had
>>> the AC-2. I don't think it's necessary to be in there, so, I'm
>>> leaning towards 'B'
>>>
>>> When you get that down, it RULES playing a song with an acoustic
>>> intro (through the PA) and then with one step, having it switch to
>>> your distorted amp sound... . it 's really a top notch amp switcher...
>>> Nothing is cleaner for the price.
>> Just to make sure, even with Proposed setup A or B, there is no way to
>> connect the AC-2 to my guitar amp (i.e. without the E.G.->PA switch)
>> and yet to get sound without hiss?
>>
>
> It's just not voiced for a guitar amp...Simply put... I used it for years
> like like - stepping on the pedal, and having it sound *kind of* like an
> acoustic. But, it will sound crappy.. and I guess hissy...
>
> The only good way I've used it is to have it cut the amp signal, and pump
> that sound to the PA... Is that what you're asking??
>
OK, Thank you so much!