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DOD even harmonic---clip

Reply from: DeeAa
Date: 25 Feb 2007, 16:02
DOD even harmonic---clip

Hello,

Thought I'd share this - I like the pedal. Here's a clip I threw together
quickly:
* deeaa.pp.fi/clips/DOD.mp3

It's my Jackson w/EMG onto a SansAmp Tri-AC > Digitech digiverb pedal >
behringer direct-box > PC, all powered with a 9v transformer on the rhythm,
and on the lead (right) I add the DOD FX100 as a booster/distortion pedal. I
think it wails pretty nicely for a stompbox direct to board!

The clip is just those 4 stomp boxes direct to PC, the only thing I added
is panning and some overall reverb, no EQ or anythíng.

Who needs amps these days when already simple stompboxes are doing a pretty
good job at amp emulation ?

Cheers,

Dee



Reply from: Phil S.
Date: 25 Feb 2007, 17:07
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip


"DeeAa" <deeaaREMOVEthisHERE@dnainternet . net > wrote in message
news:45e1a4f8$0$31539$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
> Hello,
>
> Thought I'd share this - I like the pedal. Here's a clip I threw together
> quickly:
> * deeaa.pp.fi/clips/DOD.mp3
>
> It's my Jackson w/EMG onto a SansAmp Tri-AC > Digitech digiverb pedal >
> behringer direct-box > PC, all powered with a 9v transformer on the
> rhythm, and on the lead (right) I add the DOD FX100 as a
> booster/distortion pedal. I think it wails pretty nicely for a stompbox
> direct to board!
>
> The clip is just those 4 stomp boxes direct to PC, the only thing I added
> is panning and some overall reverb, no EQ or anythíng.
>
> Who needs amps these days when already simple stompboxes are doing a
> pretty good job at amp emulation ?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dee
>
You've got the touch Dee. This really does support what I said in the
recent thread on "that sound".
Regards,
Phil



Reply from: Jim
Date: 25 Feb 2007, 23:13
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip

DeeAa wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Thought I'd share this - I like the pedal. Here's a clip I threw together
> quickly:
> * deeaa.pp.fi/clips/DOD.mp3
>
> It's my Jackson w/EMG onto a SansAmp Tri-AC > Digitech digiverb pedal >
> behringer direct-box > PC, all powered with a 9v transformer on the rhythm,
> and on the lead (right) I add the DOD FX100 as a booster/distortion pedal. I
> think it wails pretty nicely for a stompbox direct to board!
>
> The clip is just those 4 stomp boxes direct to PC, the only thing I added
> is panning and some overall reverb, no EQ or anythíng.
>
> Who needs amps these days when already simple stompboxes are doing a pretty
> good job at amp emulation ?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dee
>
>

Pedals do a much better job at a saturated distortion tone. But that
sweet spot where a tube amp is playing between compression and power
tube crunch is a bit harder to fake.

I used to be one of those "pedals bad, tube amps good" type of guys.
But reality is that most pros use pedals, at least live. Many while
recording. I've found a use for pedals in front of my amps, and I'm
even tweaking and modifying.

"One of these days" I'll post snapshots of my oscilloscope screen
showing the differences in waveforms of distorted amps and various
pedals. It's interesting to see what your ears are hearing.

Reply from: RichL
Date: 26 Feb 2007, 06:48
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip

On Feb 25, 5:13 pm, Jim <a...@beforeyousend . com > wrote:
> "One of these days" I'll post snapshots of my oscilloscope screen
> showing the differences in waveforms of distorted amps and various
> pedals. It's interesting to see what your ears are hearing.

I'd like to see that. I checked that out over 30 years ago, because I
knew a guy with a scope. But pedals have changed enormously since
then. What I'd really like to see are scope captures together with
the pedal brands and corresponding sound files -- so you can correlate
the waveform with the sound.


Reply from: Rob
Date: 28 Feb 2007, 10:59
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip

On 25 Feb 2007 21:48:38 -0800, "RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo . com > wrote:

>On Feb 25, 5:13 pm, Jim <a...@beforeyousend . com > wrote:
>> "One of these days" I'll post snapshots of my oscilloscope screen
>> showing the differences in waveforms of distorted amps and various
>> pedals. It's interesting to see what your ears are hearing.
>
>I'd like to see that. I checked that out over 30 years ago, because I
>knew a guy with a scope. But pedals have changed enormously since
>then. What I'd really like to see are scope captures together with
>the pedal brands and corresponding sound files -- so you can correlate
>the waveform with the sound.

The OScope will tell part of the story. If you're looking at waveform
asymmetry, it will be evident if you use a sine as input. And if there
is hard clipping (usually with harsh overtones) you will usually see
some square edges on output waveforms (not always, since phase shift
can displace them).

With a sweep generator, you could get an idea of the overall frequency
response (by sweeping from 80 Hz to 8 Khz or so).

But aside from those things, it's kind of difficult to get much more
from a static image on a scope. The other dimensions that won't show
up include intermodulation and other dynamic characteristics. Aside
from mods to generate asymmetry, I'd guess that a scope image will not
pinpoint much useful info for most current OD pedals. (I'm exempting
stuff like the Maestro FZ-1)

To get any kind of dynamic picture, you'd have to use a recorded
waveform going in, then take a snapshot at an exact moment. There are
pseudo-oscilloscope programs for PC that may have a better shot at
doing that. They use the PC's sound card as the sampling engine. You
could put a recorded waveform in one stereo channel and monitor the OD
box on the other so they stay sync'd.




Reply from: RichL
Date: 28 Feb 2007, 17:37
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip

On Feb 28, 4:59 am, Rob <R...@nospam . com > wrote:
> On 25 Feb 2007 21:48:38 -0800, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo . com > wrote:
>
> >On Feb 25, 5:13 pm, Jim <a...@beforeyousend . com > wrote:
> >> "One of these days" I'll post snapshots of my oscilloscope screen
> >> showing the differences in waveforms of distorted amps and various
> >> pedals. It's interesting to see what your ears are hearing.
>
> >I'd like to see that. I checked that out over 30 years ago, because I
> >knew a guy with a scope. But pedals have changed enormously since
> >then. What I'd really like to see are scope captures together with
> >the pedal brands and corresponding sound files -- so you can correlate
> >the waveform with the sound.
>
> The OScope will tell part of the story. If you're looking at waveform
> asymmetry, it will be evident if you use a sine as input. And if there
> is hard clipping (usually with harsh overtones) you will usually see
> some square edges on output waveforms (not always, since phase shift
> can displace them).
>
> With a sweep generator, you could get an idea of the overall frequency
> response (by sweeping from 80 Hz to 8 Khz or so).
>
> But aside from those things, it's kind of difficult to get much more
> from a static image on a scope. The other dimensions that won't show
> up include intermodulation and other dynamic characteristics. Aside
> from mods to generate asymmetry, I'd guess that a scope image will not
> pinpoint much useful info for most current OD pedals. (I'm exempting
> stuff like the Maestro FZ-1)
>
> To get any kind of dynamic picture, you'd have to use a recorded
> waveform going in, then take a snapshot at an exact moment. There are
> pseudo-oscilloscope programs for PC that may have a better shot at
> doing that. They use the PC's sound card as the sampling engine. You
> could put a recorded waveform in one stereo channel and monitor the OD
> box on the other so they stay sync'd.

Forget sine waves, sweep generators etc. What I'd like to see is an
actual guitarist, playing with different pickups, effects, etc. with
line out from amp into scope.


Reply from: Mogens V.
Date: 01 Mar 2007, 20:17
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip

Rob wrote:
> On 25 Feb 2007 21:48:38 -0800, "RichL" <rpleavitt@yahoo . com > wrote:
>
>
>>On Feb 25, 5:13 pm, Jim <a...@beforeyousend . com > wrote:
>>
>>>"One of these days" I'll post snapshots of my oscilloscope screen
>>>showing the differences in waveforms of distorted amps and various
>>>pedals. It's interesting to see what your ears are hearing.
>>
>>I'd like to see that. I checked that out over 30 years ago, because I
>>knew a guy with a scope. But pedals have changed enormously since
>>then. What I'd really like to see are scope captures together with
>>the pedal brands and corresponding sound files -- so you can correlate
>>the waveform with the sound.
>
>
> The OScope will tell part of the story. If you're looking at waveform
> asymmetry, it will be evident if you use a sine as input. And if there
> is hard clipping (usually with harsh overtones) you will usually see
> some square edges on output waveforms (not always, since phase shift
> can displace them).
>
> With a sweep generator, you could get an idea of the overall frequency
> response (by sweeping from 80 Hz to 8 Khz or so).
>
> But aside from those things, it's kind of difficult to get much more
> from a static image on a scope. The other dimensions that won't show
> up include intermodulation and other dynamic characteristics. Aside
> from mods to generate asymmetry, I'd guess that a scope image will not
> pinpoint much useful info for most current OD pedals. (I'm exempting
> stuff like the Maestro FZ-1)
>
> To get any kind of dynamic picture, you'd have to use a recorded
> waveform going in, then take a snapshot at an exact moment. There are
> pseudo-oscilloscope programs for PC that may have a better shot at
> doing that. They use the PC's sound card as the sampling engine. You
> could put a recorded waveform in one stereo channel and monitor the OD
> box on the other so they stay sync'd.

Or do an FFT to produce a waterfall scheme of sorts. I've long since
wanted such, but other expenses always got in the way. Today's PC's are
way good for this, so I ought to go get the flash AD hardware sometime.

--
Kind regards,
Mogens V.


Reply from: RC_Moonpie
Date: 26 Feb 2007, 18:05
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip

On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:13:57 -0800, Jim <askme@beforeyousend . com >
wrote:



>I used to be one of those "pedals bad, tube amps good" type of guys.
>But reality is that most pros use pedals, at least live. Many while
>recording.


I havent seen many live bands where the guitarist brings out a PC and
then runs an XLR to the board.

Wouldnt surprise me to start seeing it in the future.

theres nothing more fun in the guitarworld, to me, than stompboxes.

Reply from: PRS Geek
Date: 26 Feb 2007, 18:41
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip


"RC_Moonpie" <rc_moonpies@hotmail . com > wrote in message
news:bo46u219l43prg80t80em989bv5l24421p@4ax . com ...
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:13:57 -0800, Jim <askme@beforeyousend . com >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>I used to be one of those "pedals bad, tube amps good" type of guys.
>>But reality is that most pros use pedals, at least live. Many while
>>recording.
>
>
> I havent seen many live bands where the guitarist brings out a PC and
> then runs an XLR to the board.
>
> Wouldnt surprise me to start seeing it in the future.

I saw the guitar player of a guitar/vocal duet do that in FL when I was on
vacation last Sept... Jazz stuff. It was decent.

Jeff



Reply from: Don Evans
Date: 26 Feb 2007, 19:34
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip



PRS Geek wrote:
> "RC_Moonpie" <rc_moonpies@hotmail . com > wrote in message
> news:bo46u219l43prg80t80em989bv5l24421p@4ax . com ...
>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:13:57 -0800, Jim <askme@beforeyousend . com >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I used to be one of those "pedals bad, tube amps good" type of guys.
>>> But reality is that most pros use pedals, at least live. Many while
>>> recording.
>>
>>
>> I havent seen many live bands where the guitarist brings out a PC and
>> then runs an XLR to the board.
>>
>> Wouldnt surprise me to start seeing it in the future.
>
> I saw the guitar player of a guitar/vocal duet do that in FL when I
> was on vacation last Sept... Jazz stuff. It was decent.
>
> Jeff

Would that have been, by any chance, Tuck and Patti? Wouldn't surprise me
if Tuck did that.

Don



Reply from: RC_Moonpie
Date: 26 Feb 2007, 20:39
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:34:27 -0500, "Don Evans" <gtrdonevans@aol . com >
wrote:

>
>
>PRS Geek wrote:
>> "RC_Moonpie" <rc_moonpies@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>> news:bo46u219l43prg80t80em989bv5l24421p@4ax . com ...
>>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:13:57 -0800, Jim <askme@beforeyousend . com >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I used to be one of those "pedals bad, tube amps good" type of guys.
>>>> But reality is that most pros use pedals, at least live. Many while
>>>> recording.
>>>
>>>
>>> I havent seen many live bands where the guitarist brings out a PC and
>>> then runs an XLR to the board.
>>>
>>> Wouldnt surprise me to start seeing it in the future.
>>
>> I saw the guitar player of a guitar/vocal duet do that in FL when I
>> was on vacation last Sept... Jazz stuff. It was decent.
>>
>> Jeff
>
>Would that have been, by any chance, Tuck and Patti? Wouldn't surprise me
>if Tuck did that.
>

Tuck Andress?

Reply from: Don Evans
Date: 26 Feb 2007, 21:05
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip



RC_Moonpie wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:34:27 -0500, "Don Evans" <gtrdonevans@aol . com >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> PRS Geek wrote:
>>> "RC_Moonpie" <rc_moonpies@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>>> news:bo46u219l43prg80t80em989bv5l24421p@4ax . com ...
>>>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:13:57 -0800, Jim <askme@beforeyousend . com >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I used to be one of those "pedals bad, tube amps good" type of
>>>>> guys. But reality is that most pros use pedals, at least live.
>>>>> Many while recording.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I havent seen many live bands where the guitarist brings out a PC
>>>> and then runs an XLR to the board.
>>>>
>>>> Wouldnt surprise me to start seeing it in the future.
>>>
>>> I saw the guitar player of a guitar/vocal duet do that in FL when I
>>> was on vacation last Sept... Jazz stuff. It was decent.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>> Would that have been, by any chance, Tuck and Patti? Wouldn't
>> surprise me if Tuck did that.
>>
>
> Tuck Andress?

That one, yes.



Reply from: PRS Geek
Date: 27 Feb 2007, 00:05
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip


"Don Evans" <gtrdonevans@aol . com > wrote in message
news:yKudnZu7zM-ptX7YnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@comcast . com ...
>
>
> PRS Geek wrote:
>> "RC_Moonpie" <rc_moonpies@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>> news:bo46u219l43prg80t80em989bv5l24421p@4ax . com ...
>>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:13:57 -0800, Jim <askme@beforeyousend . com >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I used to be one of those "pedals bad, tube amps good" type of guys.
>>>> But reality is that most pros use pedals, at least live. Many while
>>>> recording.
>>>
>>>
>>> I havent seen many live bands where the guitarist brings out a PC and
>>> then runs an XLR to the board.
>>>
>>> Wouldnt surprise me to start seeing it in the future.
>>
>> I saw the guitar player of a guitar/vocal duet do that in FL when I
>> was on vacation last Sept... Jazz stuff. It was decent.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> Would that have been, by any chance, Tuck and Patti? Wouldn't surprise me
> if Tuck did that.

LOL... No. Far from Tuck and Patti!

Jeff



Reply from: Dave Moore
Date: 28 Feb 2007, 10:32
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip


"PRS Geek" <nospam@nospam . com > wrote in message news:BZEEh.1$iw4.0@newssvr23.news.prodigy . net ...
:
: "RC_Moonpie" <rc_moonpies@hotmail . com > wrote in message
: news:bo46u219l43prg80t80em989bv5l24421p@4ax . com ...
: > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:13:57 -0800, Jim <askme@beforeyousend . com >
: > wrote:
: >
: >
: >
: >>I used to be one of those "pedals bad, tube amps good" type of guys.
: >>But reality is that most pros use pedals, at least live. Many while
: >>recording.
: >
: >
: > I havent seen many live bands where the guitarist brings out a PC and
: > then runs an XLR to the board.
: >
: > Wouldnt surprise me to start seeing it in the future.
:
: I saw the guitar player of a guitar/vocal duet do that in FL when I was on
: vacation last Sept... Jazz stuff. It was decent.
:
: Jeff


As an amp designer, that's one of the things I'm working on
to create a sort of front end that can do just about any sound.
The idea here is that a musician could use any clean amp
or power amp.
I can forsee a day in the not too distant furure when
perhaps nightclubs would just keep a bank of clean power
amps in house.
Then, the musicians wouldn't have to
lug a lot of heavy gear around. A guitarist could waltz in
with only a guitar and perhaps some kind of MIDI pedal
controlled modeling preamp slung in a backpack.

Of course, die hard Hammond organ wankers would just be
shit outa luck.



Reply from: RonSonic
Date: 28 Feb 2007, 17:28
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip

On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:32:21 -0600, "Dave Moore" <valveless@last . net > wrote:

>
>"PRS Geek" <nospam@nospam . com > wrote in message news:BZEEh.1$iw4.0@newssvr23.news.prodigy . net ...
>:
>: "RC_Moonpie" <rc_moonpies@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>: news:bo46u219l43prg80t80em989bv5l24421p@4ax . com ...
>: > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:13:57 -0800, Jim <askme@beforeyousend . com >
>: > wrote:
>: >
>: >
>: >
>: >>I used to be one of those "pedals bad, tube amps good" type of guys.
>: >>But reality is that most pros use pedals, at least live. Many while
>: >>recording.
>: >
>: >
>: > I havent seen many live bands where the guitarist brings out a PC and
>: > then runs an XLR to the board.
>: >
>: > Wouldnt surprise me to start seeing it in the future.
>:
>: I saw the guitar player of a guitar/vocal duet do that in FL when I was on
>: vacation last Sept... Jazz stuff. It was decent.
>:
>: Jeff
>
>
> As an amp designer, that's one of the things I'm working on
>to create a sort of front end that can do just about any sound.
> The idea here is that a musician could use any clean amp
>or power amp.
> I can forsee a day in the not too distant furure when
> perhaps nightclubs would just keep a bank of clean power
> amps in house.
> Then, the musicians wouldn't have to
> lug a lot of heavy gear around. A guitarist could waltz in
>with only a guitar and perhaps some kind of MIDI pedal
>controlled modeling preamp slung in a backpack.
>
> Of course, die hard Hammond organ wankers would just be
>shit outa luck.

Also SOL would be guitarists who are in the habit of sounding good and having an
amp that reacts to their playing the way and actual guitar amp does.


Ron

Effect pedal demo's up at * w w w .soundclick . com /ronsonicpedalry



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