compressor comparison

Re: compressor comparison

"General Specific" <brad_pitstain@yahoo,com > schrieb:

>
>You can get some good Nashville pickin out of a Boss Compressor.
>
>The Super Comp is good.
>
>I currently use an Electro Harmonix Black Finger, but I use it as a
>tube preamp with a tad of compression. It is first in my effects
>chain, into all my pedals and then into a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe. This
>setup allows me to have a compressed Rock tone at lower volumes than
>the Fender alone would allow. I now have a tight clean tone.

Sounds good, I've bought a used Black Finger but it didn't arive yet.

I've a SuperComp but for my taste, it sucks to mutch tone. I've had a
Boss and an Arion Compressor before and seld both after a few days.
Both are to noisy.

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Re: compressor comparison

Juergen Klein wrote:
> I've a SuperComp but for my taste,
> it sucks to mutch tone...

Would you care to describe (Juerg or anyone)
how you quantify/qualify "tone suck?" Do you
physically measure the spectrum with and
without the FX or is it more subjective?

I kind of have a hard time believing that
a lot of people can actually tell the difference
in a blind test.

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Re: compressor comparison

"Lumpy" <lumpy@digitalcartography,com > schrieb:

>Juergen Klein wrote:
>> I've a SuperComp but for my taste,
>> it sucks to mutch tone...
>
>Would you care to describe (Juerg or anyone)
>how you quantify/qualify "tone suck?" Do you
>physically measure the spectrum with and
>without the FX or is it more subjective?
>
>I kind of have a hard time believing that
>a lot of people can actually tell the difference
>in a blind test.
>
>Lumpy

It's difficould to describe, because my english is not so good.

The SuperComp (also other compressors I have testet) damps/cuts the
higher frequencys and the tone lost his transparency and clearness.
You could hear it with a clean or crunch sound. With high-gain
distortion/overdrive the difference is not so mutch.

Yesterday arrived my EHX BlackFinger. I've only played two hours with
it and compared it to my SuperComp. I think the BlackFinger has a good
sound but works more as a limiter. You could not inkrease the sustain
so mutch as with the SuperComp. The main problem of the BlackFinger
is, that it goes to overdrive/clipping very soon, so you couldn't get
as mutch sustain. Maby with a vintage single coil guitar, it will do a
good job. Also with low gain settings for little more sustain and
limiting it is very transparent. I couldn't hear mutch difference
between LED and Lamp Mode.

Maby I have to tweak the setting a little bit more but I'm a little
disappointed of the BlackFinger. I hope I will get a BarberTonePress
soon.

Has anybody testet the WhiteFinger?

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Re: compressor comparison

On Apr 4, 4:40 am, Juergen Klein <see t...@technik-klein.de> wrote:
> "Lumpy" <l...@digitalcartography,com > schrieb:
>
> >Juergen Klein wrote:
> >> I've a SuperComp but for my taste,
> >> it sucks to mutch tone...
>
> >Would you care to describe (Juerg or anyone)
> >how you quantify/qualify "tone suck?" Do you
> >physically measure the spectrum with and
> >without the FX or is it more subjective?
>
> >I kind of have a hard time believing that
> >a lot of people can actually tell the difference
> >in a blind test.
>
> >Lumpy
>
> It's difficould to describe, because my english is not so good.
>
> The SuperComp (also other compressors I have testet) damps/cuts the
> higher frequencys and the tone lost his transparency and clearness.
> You could hear it with a clean or crunch sound. With high-gain
> distortion/overdrive the difference is not so mutch.
>
> Yesterday arrived my EHX BlackFinger. I've only played two hours with
> it and compared it to my SuperComp. I think the BlackFinger has a good
> sound but works more as a limiter. You could not inkrease the sustain
> so mutch as with the SuperComp. The main problem of the BlackFinger
> is, that it goes to overdrive/clipping very soon, so you couldn't get
> as mutch sustain. Maby with a vintage single coil guitar, it will do a
> good job. Also with low gain settings for little more sustain and
> limiting it is very transparent. I couldn't hear mutch difference
> between LED and Lamp Mode.
>
> Maby I have to tweak the setting a little bit more but I'm a little
> disappointed of the BlackFinger. I hope I will get a BarberTonePress
> soon.
>
> Has anybody testet the WhiteFinger?
>
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Sounds about right. I don't use BF like you would a Supercomp. My BF
is always on wit very conservative settings. The reason I use it is
that mt Fender Hot Rod Deluxe is loud and brash at it's lowest
volume. There is a looseness to the Fender at low volume that I don't
like. The bass is sloppy as well. The BF tightens this up so I can
play rhythm without making the audience cringe.

Re: compressor comparison

Juergen Klein wrote:
> The SuperComp (also other compressors I have testet) damps/cuts the
> higher frequencys and the tone lost his transparency and clearness.
> You could hear it with a clean or crunch sound. With high-gain
> distortion/overdrive the difference is not so mutch.

I understand what you're describing. I'm curious how
you (or again, anyone) measures or quantifies the
tone suck. Do you simply listen while switching
the comp in and out of the signal? Or do you
somehow measure with a spectrograph or other
instrument?

And for whatever suck that occurrs (real or otherwise)
can you make up for it in the signal path before the comp?

I'm typically playing a jazz archtop through a very high
wattage solid state, very clean amp. My tone pot is always
rolled off a bit, even if I'm seeking a very bright tone.
If I felt like the comp was sucking some highs, it seems
like it would be simple enough to start out with a little
more highs by increasing the treble out at the guitar.

Perhaps the syndrome is not similar with rock or other
types of distort/OD signals?


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Re: compressor comparison

On Apr 7, 9:17 pm, "Lumpy" <l...@digitalcartography,com > wrote:
> Juergen Klein wrote:
> > The SuperComp (also other compressors I have testet) damps/cuts the
> > higher frequencys and the tone lost his transparency and clearness.
> > You could hear it with a clean or crunch sound. With high-gain
> > distortion/overdrive the difference is not so mutch.
>
> I understand what you're describing. I'm curious how
> you (or again, anyone) measures or quantifies the
> tone suck. Do you simply listen while switching
> the comp in and out of the signal? Or do you
> somehow measure with a spectrograph or other
> instrument?
>
> And for whatever suck that occurrs (real or otherwise)
> can you make up for it in the signal path before the comp?
>
> I'm typically playing a jazz archtop through a very high
> wattage solid state, very clean amp. My tone pot is always
> rolled off a bit, even if I'm seeking a very bright tone.
> If I felt like the comp was sucking some highs, it seems
> like it would be simple enough to start out with a little
> more highs by increasing the treble out at the guitar.
>
> Perhaps the syndrome is not similar with rock or other
> types of distort/OD signals?
>
> Lumpy
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I perform live with a Stratocaster through an AC30, and I use a
SuperComp. I haven't noticed treble loss. On the other hand, maybe I
have so much more treble to work with, that the loss is irrelevant to
me.
;^)

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Re: compressor comparison

"Geetar Dave" <ebz@one,net > schrieb:

>On Apr 7, 9:17 pm, "Lumpy" <l...@digitalcartography,com > wrote:
>> Juergen Klein wrote:
>> > The SuperComp (also other compressors I have testet) damps/cuts the
>> > higher frequencys and the tone lost his transparency and clearness.
>> > You could hear it with a clean or crunch sound. With high-gain
>> > distortion/overdrive the difference is not so mutch.
>>
>> I understand what you're describing. I'm curious how
>> you (or again, anyone) measures or quantifies the
>> tone suck. Do you simply listen while switching
>> the comp in and out of the signal? Or do you
>> somehow measure with a spectrograph or other
>> instrument?
>>
>> And for whatever suck that occurrs (real or otherwise)
>> can you make up for it in the signal path before the comp?
>>
>> I'm typically playing a jazz archtop through a very high
>> wattage solid state, very clean amp. My tone pot is always
>> rolled off a bit, even if I'm seeking a very bright tone.
>> If I felt like the comp was sucking some highs, it seems
>> like it would be simple enough to start out with a little
>> more highs by increasing the treble out at the guitar.
>>
>> Perhaps the syndrome is not similar with rock or other
>> types of distort/OD signals?
>>
>> Lumpy
>> --
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>
>I perform live with a Stratocaster through an AC30, and I use a
>SuperComp. I haven't noticed treble loss. On the other hand, maybe I
>have so much more treble to work with, that the loss is irrelevant to
>me.
>;^)
>

I use a LP at home. Maby in a live performance in a band you wouldn't
hear the treble loss. Or your cables are so long, that the higher
frequencys are lost already.

The BlackFinger didn't have the treble loss but didn't have the gain
that der SuperComp has.

Yesterday I phoned with a studio-technician because he was searching
for a buffer/booster wich is build direct into the guitar to avoid any
treble/sound loss with cables, volume-pot or other equipment.

I try to build my booster in small for use in the guitar for him:

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Re: compressor comparison

On Apr 7, 9:17 pm, "Lumpy" <l...@digitalcartography,com > wrote:
> Juergen Klein wrote:
> > The SuperComp (also other compressors I have testet) damps/cuts the
> > higher frequencys and the tone lost his transparency and clearness.
> > You could hear it with a clean or crunch sound. With high-gain
> > distortion/overdrive the difference is not so mutch.
>
> I understand what you're describing. I'm curious how
> you (or again, anyone) measures or quantifies the
> tone suck. Do you simply listen while switching
> the comp in and out of the signal? Or do you
> somehow measure with a spectrograph or other
> instrument?
>
> And for whatever suck that occurrs (real or otherwise)
> can you make up for it in the signal path before the comp?
>
> I'm typically playing a jazz archtop through a very high
> wattage solid state, very clean amp. My tone pot is always
> rolled off a bit, even if I'm seeking a very bright tone.
> If I felt like the comp was sucking some highs, it seems
> like it would be simple enough to start out with a little
> more highs by increasing the treble out at the guitar.
>
> Perhaps the syndrome is not similar with rock or other
> types of distort/OD signals?
>
> Lumpy
> --
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I think typically there's a lot more treble coming out of a jazz
guitar (or any guitar with underwound pickups) in the first place.
The opposite is true with some of the heavier-duty pickups that some
rockers prefer. They will ultimately learn, as I did. It's a lot
easier to get rid of treble than to add it!

Re: compressor comparison

On Mar 30, 7:50 pm, oldn...@bigfoot,com (oldnews) wrote:
> i am looking for a compressor in the no too high price range. like the
> boss CS-3, digitech main squeeze, dyna comp, marshall ED1, or
> something else in that price range. how do theses boxes compare with
> respect to basic tone and variability in possibilities?
>
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I recently picked up an Ashdown Comp from MF for $69. I haven't usd it
on guitar yet, but I find it very transparent. It's a dual band comp.
So you can compress youor lows and hi's differently and it has a
higher comp attack on the hi's. From how it sounds, I bet it would
sound great on guitar.