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Re: DOD even harmonic---clip
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:32:21 -0600, "Dave Moore" <valveless@last,net > wrote:
> As an amp designer, that's one of the things I'm working on
>to create a sort of front end that can do just about any sound.
> The idea here is that a musician could use any clean amp
>or power amp.
> I can forsee a day in the not too distant furure when
> perhaps nightclubs would just keep a bank of clean power
> amps in house.
> Then, the musicians wouldn't have to
> lug a lot of heavy gear around. A guitarist could waltz in
>with only a guitar and perhaps some kind of MIDI pedal
>controlled modeling preamp slung in a backpack.
You're way behind the curve here. I think a lot of people people started
thinking about that the day the POD hit the streets. Replicating the sound &
especially the feel & punch of a real guitar amp thru modelers & simulators
is an idea whose time hasn't come and doesn't seem to be getting any closer. And
I'm just a little dubious that guitarists would put themselves at the mercy of
nightclubs to supply their "sound".
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:32:21 -0600, "Dave Moore" <valveless@last,net > wrote:
> As an amp designer, that's one of the things I'm working on
>to create a sort of front end that can do just about any sound.
> The idea here is that a musician could use any clean amp
>or power amp.
> I can forsee a day in the not too distant furure when
> perhaps nightclubs would just keep a bank of clean power
> amps in house.
> Then, the musicians wouldn't have to
> lug a lot of heavy gear around. A guitarist could waltz in
>with only a guitar and perhaps some kind of MIDI pedal
>controlled modeling preamp slung in a backpack.
You're way behind the curve here. I think a lot of people people started
thinking about that the day the POD hit the streets. Replicating the sound &
especially the feel & punch of a real guitar amp thru modelers & simulators
is an idea whose time hasn't come and doesn't seem to be getting any closer. And
I'm just a little dubious that guitarists would put themselves at the mercy of
nightclubs to supply their "sound".
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip
"Dave Moore" <valveless@last,net > wrote in message
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>
> "PRS Geek" <nospam@nospam,com > wrote in message
> news:BZEEh.1$iw4.0@newssvr23.news.prodigy,net ...
> :
> : "RC_Moonpie" <rc_moonpies@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> : news:bo46u219l43prg80t80em989bv5l24421p@4ax,com ...
> : > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:13:57 -0800, Jim <askme@beforeyousend,com >
> : > wrote:
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : >>I used to be one of those "pedals bad, tube amps good" type of guys.
> : >>But reality is that most pros use pedals, at least live. Many while
> : >>recording.
> : >
> : >
> : > I havent seen many live bands where the guitarist brings out a PC and
> : > then runs an XLR to the board.
> : >
> : > Wouldnt surprise me to start seeing it in the future.
> :
> : I saw the guitar player of a guitar/vocal duet do that in FL when I was
> on
> : vacation last Sept... Jazz stuff. It was decent.
> :
> : Jeff
>
> As an amp designer, that's one of the things I'm working on
> to create a sort of front end that can do just about any sound.
> The idea here is that a musician could use any clean amp
> or power amp.
Well, this guy only had to get one or two good sounds and he didn't have to
compete with a drummer and bassist, etc... This wouldn't work at a rock gig,
ever, IMO.
> I can forsee a day in the not too distant furure when
> perhaps nightclubs would just keep a bank of clean power
> amps in house.
Well, this guy plugged his PC right into the house PA... Didn't even have a
monitor that I could see. Neither did the chick singer. These guys/gal were
pros, but they were also low maintenance gig plug and play. You know, take
the $$ and run cuz, I bet that guitar player uses an amp on other gigs with
bands. He was just there to play guitar for this chick.
> Then, the musicians wouldn't have to
> lug a lot of heavy gear around. A guitarist could waltz in
> with only a guitar and perhaps some kind of MIDI pedal
> controlled modeling preamp slung in a backpack.
> Of course, die hard Hammond organ wankers would just be
> shit outa luck.
I want my Marshall at a gig too... Just like some die hard with a B3.
I think RonSonic said about the same thing.
--
Jeff
http :// tinyurl,com /8sz9r
"Dave Moore" <valveless@last,net > wrote in message
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>
> "PRS Geek" <nospam@nospam,com > wrote in message
> news:BZEEh.1$iw4.0@newssvr23.news.prodigy,net ...
> :
> : "RC_Moonpie" <rc_moonpies@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> : news:bo46u219l43prg80t80em989bv5l24421p@4ax,com ...
> : > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:13:57 -0800, Jim <askme@beforeyousend,com >
> : > wrote:
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : >>I used to be one of those "pedals bad, tube amps good" type of guys.
> : >>But reality is that most pros use pedals, at least live. Many while
> : >>recording.
> : >
> : >
> : > I havent seen many live bands where the guitarist brings out a PC and
> : > then runs an XLR to the board.
> : >
> : > Wouldnt surprise me to start seeing it in the future.
> :
> : I saw the guitar player of a guitar/vocal duet do that in FL when I was
> on
> : vacation last Sept... Jazz stuff. It was decent.
> :
> : Jeff
>
> As an amp designer, that's one of the things I'm working on
> to create a sort of front end that can do just about any sound.
> The idea here is that a musician could use any clean amp
> or power amp.
Well, this guy only had to get one or two good sounds and he didn't have to
compete with a drummer and bassist, etc... This wouldn't work at a rock gig,
ever, IMO.
> I can forsee a day in the not too distant furure when
> perhaps nightclubs would just keep a bank of clean power
> amps in house.
Well, this guy plugged his PC right into the house PA... Didn't even have a
monitor that I could see. Neither did the chick singer. These guys/gal were
pros, but they were also low maintenance gig plug and play. You know, take
the $$ and run cuz, I bet that guitar player uses an amp on other gigs with
bands. He was just there to play guitar for this chick.
> Then, the musicians wouldn't have to
> lug a lot of heavy gear around. A guitarist could waltz in
> with only a guitar and perhaps some kind of MIDI pedal
> controlled modeling preamp slung in a backpack.
> Of course, die hard Hammond organ wankers would just be
> shit outa luck.
I want my Marshall at a gig too... Just like some die hard with a B3.
I think RonSonic said about the same thing.
--
Jeff
http :// tinyurl,com /8sz9r
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip
On Feb 28, 2:32 am, "Dave Moore" <valvel...@last,net > wrote:
> "PRS Geek" <nos...@nospam,com > wrote in messagenews:BZEEh.1$iw4.0@newssvr23.news.prodigy,net ...
>
> :: "RC Moonpie" <rc moonp...@hotmail,com > wrote in message
>
> :news:bo46u219l43prg80t80em989bv5l24421p@4ax,com ...
> : > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:13:57 -0800, Jim <a...@beforeyousend,com >: > wrote:
>
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : >>I used to be one of those "pedals bad, tube amps good" type of guys.
> : >>But reality is that most pros use pedals, at least live. Many while
> : >>recording.
> : >
> : >
> : > I havent seen many live bands where the guitarist brings out a PC and
> : > then runs an XLR to the board.
> : >
> : > Wouldnt surprise me to start seeing it in the future.
> :
> : I saw the guitar player of a guitar/vocal duet do that in FL when I was on
> : vacation last Sept... Jazz stuff. It was decent.
> :
> : Jeff
>
> As an amp designer, that's one of the things I'm working on
> to create a sort of front end that can do just about any sound.
> The idea here is that a musician could use any clean amp
> or power amp.
> I can forsee a day in the not too distant furure when
> perhaps nightclubs would just keep a bank of clean power
> amps in house.
> Then, the musicians wouldn't have to
> lug a lot of heavy gear around. A guitarist could waltz in
> with only a guitar and perhaps some kind of MIDI pedal
> controlled modeling preamp slung in a backpack.
>
> Of course, die hard Hammond organ wankers would just be
> shit outa luck.
Leaving the sound in that clip setup the same as it is and then
amplifying it via PA or other amp you going to get a very loud floor
and have some feedback issues at the volume you need to be at for the
club. You might not have too much of a problem if the sound system
was wall to wall speakers floor to ceiling with a low DB out. The
Sound pressure level can be higher with more speakers at lower output
levels, then you might be okay, in fact it might sound really hot. I
doubt you'll get many clubs spending on sound systems. They rarely do
it now and then it is usually way too small.
Well known clubs have good stuff, Bangles in Denver - which is
reopened I heard - Whisky out in LA, I am sure many more top places.
The clubs I play are about 5k to 7k square feet, stink, tiny stages,
crappy room layout, sometimes no stage, no sound, no lights, no
electricity!
I've been to the Stardust lounge many times, they have one outlet, ONE
outlet to run the entire band including lights. We spent a couple of
nights in the dark waiting for the electric company to come out a turn
the power back on because the transformer on the pole blew up. I kid
you not. We had a real laugh about it, the emergency lights lasted
for about 20 minutes then we pulled out our flashlights for about two
hours. The next night the popcorn popper was plugged into the same
circuit as the stage and it blew the breaker four times while we were
playing. That actually happened several times on different nights
now.
In another club I played last week we had some surge issues that I
still don't understand. My Roland GP8 kept defaulting to the startup
routine without any mechanical input. That happened like five or six
times in the first two sets and continued through the night. Then one
of my amps died in the last set while I was playing. Blew the HT
fuse, one of the power tubes failed. This made me upset since I just
put that set of tubes in, maybe had five gigs on them in two months,
about 35 operating hours.
Nope, you are not going to get a club owner to buy sound equipment for
a band. Most don't want to pay you to begin with. IMO a pipe dream.
X
On Feb 28, 2:32 am, "Dave Moore" <valvel...@last,net > wrote:
> "PRS Geek" <nos...@nospam,com > wrote in messagenews:BZEEh.1$iw4.0@newssvr23.news.prodigy,net ...
>
> :: "RC Moonpie" <rc moonp...@hotmail,com > wrote in message
>
> :news:bo46u219l43prg80t80em989bv5l24421p@4ax,com ...
> : > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:13:57 -0800, Jim <a...@beforeyousend,com >: > wrote:
>
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : >>I used to be one of those "pedals bad, tube amps good" type of guys.
> : >>But reality is that most pros use pedals, at least live. Many while
> : >>recording.
> : >
> : >
> : > I havent seen many live bands where the guitarist brings out a PC and
> : > then runs an XLR to the board.
> : >
> : > Wouldnt surprise me to start seeing it in the future.
> :
> : I saw the guitar player of a guitar/vocal duet do that in FL when I was on
> : vacation last Sept... Jazz stuff. It was decent.
> :
> : Jeff
>
> As an amp designer, that's one of the things I'm working on
> to create a sort of front end that can do just about any sound.
> The idea here is that a musician could use any clean amp
> or power amp.
> I can forsee a day in the not too distant furure when
> perhaps nightclubs would just keep a bank of clean power
> amps in house.
> Then, the musicians wouldn't have to
> lug a lot of heavy gear around. A guitarist could waltz in
> with only a guitar and perhaps some kind of MIDI pedal
> controlled modeling preamp slung in a backpack.
>
> Of course, die hard Hammond organ wankers would just be
> shit outa luck.
Leaving the sound in that clip setup the same as it is and then
amplifying it via PA or other amp you going to get a very loud floor
and have some feedback issues at the volume you need to be at for the
club. You might not have too much of a problem if the sound system
was wall to wall speakers floor to ceiling with a low DB out. The
Sound pressure level can be higher with more speakers at lower output
levels, then you might be okay, in fact it might sound really hot. I
doubt you'll get many clubs spending on sound systems. They rarely do
it now and then it is usually way too small.
Well known clubs have good stuff, Bangles in Denver - which is
reopened I heard - Whisky out in LA, I am sure many more top places.
The clubs I play are about 5k to 7k square feet, stink, tiny stages,
crappy room layout, sometimes no stage, no sound, no lights, no
electricity!
I've been to the Stardust lounge many times, they have one outlet, ONE
outlet to run the entire band including lights. We spent a couple of
nights in the dark waiting for the electric company to come out a turn
the power back on because the transformer on the pole blew up. I kid
you not. We had a real laugh about it, the emergency lights lasted
for about 20 minutes then we pulled out our flashlights for about two
hours. The next night the popcorn popper was plugged into the same
circuit as the stage and it blew the breaker four times while we were
playing. That actually happened several times on different nights
now.
In another club I played last week we had some surge issues that I
still don't understand. My Roland GP8 kept defaulting to the startup
routine without any mechanical input. That happened like five or six
times in the first two sets and continued through the night. Then one
of my amps died in the last set while I was playing. Blew the HT
fuse, one of the power tubes failed. This made me upset since I just
put that set of tubes in, maybe had five gigs on them in two months,
about 35 operating hours.
Nope, you are not going to get a club owner to buy sound equipment for
a band. Most don't want to pay you to begin with. IMO a pipe dream.
X
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip
"Xtrchessreal" <XtrChessreal@gmail,com > wrote in message news:1172748487.909226.105370@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups,com ...
: On Feb 28, 2:32 am, "Dave Moore" <valvel...@last,net > wrote:
: > "PRS Geek" <nos...@nospam,com > wrote in messagenews:BZEEh.1$iw4.0@newssvr23.news.prodigy,net ...
: >
: > :: "RC_Moonpie" <rc_moonp...@hotmail,com > wrote in message
: >
: > :news:bo46u219l43prg80t80em989bv5l24421p@4ax,com ...
: > : > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:13:57 -0800, Jim <a...@beforeyousend,com >: > wrote:
: >
: > : >
: > : >
: > : >
: > : >>I used to be one of those "pedals bad, tube amps good" type of guys.
: > : >>But reality is that most pros use pedals, at least live. Many while
: > : >>recording.
: > : >
: > : >
: > : > I havent seen many live bands where the guitarist brings out a PC and
: > : > then runs an XLR to the board.
: > : >
: > : > Wouldnt surprise me to start seeing it in the future.
: > :
: > : I saw the guitar player of a guitar/vocal duet do that in FL when I was on
: > : vacation last Sept... Jazz stuff. It was decent.
: > :
: > : Jeff
: >
: > As an amp designer, that's one of the things I'm working on
: > to create a sort of front end that can do just about any sound.
: > The idea here is that a musician could use any clean amp
: > or power amp.
: > I can forsee a day in the not too distant furure when
: > perhaps nightclubs would just keep a bank of clean power
: > amps in house.
: > Then, the musicians wouldn't have to
: > lug a lot of heavy gear around. A guitarist could waltz in
: > with only a guitar and perhaps some kind of MIDI pedal
: > controlled modeling preamp slung in a backpack.
: >
: > Of course, die hard Hammond organ wankers would just be
: > shit outa luck.
:
: Leaving the sound in that clip setup the same as it is and then
: amplifying it via PA or other amp you going to get a very loud floor
: and have some feedback issues at the volume you need to be at for the
: club.
This is quite true. My DSP routines for speaker amplified sound
are quite a bit different than for direct in recording. With a speaker
you need to create a bit of punch to compensate for speaker
slewing. Whereas for direct in, you actually do just about the opposite
and suck in the punch to generate the speaker slewing effects.
: You might not have too much of a problem if the sound system
: was wall to wall speakers floor to ceiling with a low DB out. The
: Sound pressure level can be higher with more speakers at lower output
: levels, then you might be okay, in fact it might sound really hot. I
: doubt you'll get many clubs spending on sound systems. They rarely do
: it now and then it is usually way too small.
:
: Well known clubs have good stuff, Bangles in Denver - which is
: reopened I heard - Whisky out in LA, I am sure many more top places.
: The clubs I play are about 5k to 7k square feet, stink, tiny stages,
: crappy room layout, sometimes no stage, no sound, no lights, no
: electricity!
:
: I've been to the Stardust lounge many times, they have one outlet, ONE
: outlet to run the entire band including lights. We spent a couple of
: nights in the dark waiting for the electric company to come out a turn
: the power back on because the transformer on the pole blew up. I kid
: you not. We had a real laugh about it, the emergency lights lasted
: for about 20 minutes then we pulled out our flashlights for about two
: hours. The next night the popcorn popper was plugged into the same
: circuit as the stage and it blew the breaker four times while we were
: playing. That actually happened several times on different nights
: now.
Let that be a lesson, always bring pre-popped popcorn to your gigs :-)
:
: In another club I played last week we had some surge issues that I
: still don't understand. My Roland GP8 kept defaulting to the startup
: routine without any mechanical input. That happened like five or six
: times in the first two sets and continued through the night. Then one
: of my amps died in the last set while I was playing. Blew the HT
: fuse, one of the power tubes failed. This made me upset since I just
: put that set of tubes in, maybe had five gigs on them in two months,
: about 35 operating hours.
:
: Nope, you are not going to get a club owner to buy sound equipment for
: a band. Most don't want to pay you to begin with. IMO a pipe dream.
:
: X
You may be right but,,,
they might if the amps were cheap enough. Basic Power amps could
be made a lot cheaper than something with all the bells and whistles.
Who knows, in some cases, perhaps musicians themselves might chip
in to buy the stuff for the establishments.
A lot of clubs already supply the PA systems. But perhaps my opinion
is skewed since my main exposure to the nightclub scene is in
New Orleans where there are a lot of musicians always gigging
around here and there to and fro so they would appreciate not
having to lug amps around. And also a lot of the club owners there
seem to have a pretty good raport with the musicians, so it seems
to me it might fly there.
:
"Xtrchessreal" <XtrChessreal@gmail,com > wrote in message news:1172748487.909226.105370@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups,com ...
: On Feb 28, 2:32 am, "Dave Moore" <valvel...@last,net > wrote:
: > "PRS Geek" <nos...@nospam,com > wrote in messagenews:BZEEh.1$iw4.0@newssvr23.news.prodigy,net ...
: >
: > :: "RC_Moonpie" <rc_moonp...@hotmail,com > wrote in message
: >
: > :news:bo46u219l43prg80t80em989bv5l24421p@4ax,com ...
: > : > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:13:57 -0800, Jim <a...@beforeyousend,com >: > wrote:
: >
: > : >
: > : >
: > : >
: > : >>I used to be one of those "pedals bad, tube amps good" type of guys.
: > : >>But reality is that most pros use pedals, at least live. Many while
: > : >>recording.
: > : >
: > : >
: > : > I havent seen many live bands where the guitarist brings out a PC and
: > : > then runs an XLR to the board.
: > : >
: > : > Wouldnt surprise me to start seeing it in the future.
: > :
: > : I saw the guitar player of a guitar/vocal duet do that in FL when I was on
: > : vacation last Sept... Jazz stuff. It was decent.
: > :
: > : Jeff
: >
: > As an amp designer, that's one of the things I'm working on
: > to create a sort of front end that can do just about any sound.
: > The idea here is that a musician could use any clean amp
: > or power amp.
: > I can forsee a day in the not too distant furure when
: > perhaps nightclubs would just keep a bank of clean power
: > amps in house.
: > Then, the musicians wouldn't have to
: > lug a lot of heavy gear around. A guitarist could waltz in
: > with only a guitar and perhaps some kind of MIDI pedal
: > controlled modeling preamp slung in a backpack.
: >
: > Of course, die hard Hammond organ wankers would just be
: > shit outa luck.
:
: Leaving the sound in that clip setup the same as it is and then
: amplifying it via PA or other amp you going to get a very loud floor
: and have some feedback issues at the volume you need to be at for the
: club.
This is quite true. My DSP routines for speaker amplified sound
are quite a bit different than for direct in recording. With a speaker
you need to create a bit of punch to compensate for speaker
slewing. Whereas for direct in, you actually do just about the opposite
and suck in the punch to generate the speaker slewing effects.
: You might not have too much of a problem if the sound system
: was wall to wall speakers floor to ceiling with a low DB out. The
: Sound pressure level can be higher with more speakers at lower output
: levels, then you might be okay, in fact it might sound really hot. I
: doubt you'll get many clubs spending on sound systems. They rarely do
: it now and then it is usually way too small.
:
: Well known clubs have good stuff, Bangles in Denver - which is
: reopened I heard - Whisky out in LA, I am sure many more top places.
: The clubs I play are about 5k to 7k square feet, stink, tiny stages,
: crappy room layout, sometimes no stage, no sound, no lights, no
: electricity!
:
: I've been to the Stardust lounge many times, they have one outlet, ONE
: outlet to run the entire band including lights. We spent a couple of
: nights in the dark waiting for the electric company to come out a turn
: the power back on because the transformer on the pole blew up. I kid
: you not. We had a real laugh about it, the emergency lights lasted
: for about 20 minutes then we pulled out our flashlights for about two
: hours. The next night the popcorn popper was plugged into the same
: circuit as the stage and it blew the breaker four times while we were
: playing. That actually happened several times on different nights
: now.
Let that be a lesson, always bring pre-popped popcorn to your gigs :-)
:
: In another club I played last week we had some surge issues that I
: still don't understand. My Roland GP8 kept defaulting to the startup
: routine without any mechanical input. That happened like five or six
: times in the first two sets and continued through the night. Then one
: of my amps died in the last set while I was playing. Blew the HT
: fuse, one of the power tubes failed. This made me upset since I just
: put that set of tubes in, maybe had five gigs on them in two months,
: about 35 operating hours.
:
: Nope, you are not going to get a club owner to buy sound equipment for
: a band. Most don't want to pay you to begin with. IMO a pipe dream.
:
: X
You may be right but,,,
they might if the amps were cheap enough. Basic Power amps could
be made a lot cheaper than something with all the bells and whistles.
Who knows, in some cases, perhaps musicians themselves might chip
in to buy the stuff for the establishments.
A lot of clubs already supply the PA systems. But perhaps my opinion
is skewed since my main exposure to the nightclub scene is in
New Orleans where there are a lot of musicians always gigging
around here and there to and fro so they would appreciate not
having to lug amps around. And also a lot of the club owners there
seem to have a pretty good raport with the musicians, so it seems
to me it might fly there.
:
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 06:45:20 -0600, "Dave Moore" <valveless@last,net >
wrote:
>
> You may be right but,,,
>they might if the amps were cheap enough. Basic Power amps could
>be made a lot cheaper than something with all the bells and whistles.
> Who knows, in some cases, perhaps musicians themselves might chip
>in to buy the stuff for the establishments.
>
> A lot of clubs already supply the PA systems. But perhaps my opinion
>is skewed since my main exposure to the nightclub scene is in
>New Orleans where there are a lot of musicians always gigging
>around here and there to and fro so they would appreciate not
>having to lug amps around. And also a lot of the club owners there
>seem to have a pretty good raport with the musicians, so it seems
>to me it might fly there.
>
>:
this also gets back to the clubs that have the house system and a
dedicated sound guy. couple of places like this, i asked the guys
running the board, do any guitarists ever show up with just a POD or
similar device, and hand you an XLR, and dont use any amp at all?
Yep, they both said
How did it work? I asked
Worked ok, they both said, sounded like shit, they both said that too.
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 06:45:20 -0600, "Dave Moore" <valveless@last,net >
wrote:
>
> You may be right but,,,
>they might if the amps were cheap enough. Basic Power amps could
>be made a lot cheaper than something with all the bells and whistles.
> Who knows, in some cases, perhaps musicians themselves might chip
>in to buy the stuff for the establishments.
>
> A lot of clubs already supply the PA systems. But perhaps my opinion
>is skewed since my main exposure to the nightclub scene is in
>New Orleans where there are a lot of musicians always gigging
>around here and there to and fro so they would appreciate not
>having to lug amps around. And also a lot of the club owners there
>seem to have a pretty good raport with the musicians, so it seems
>to me it might fly there.
>
>:
this also gets back to the clubs that have the house system and a
dedicated sound guy. couple of places like this, i asked the guys
running the board, do any guitarists ever show up with just a POD or
similar device, and hand you an XLR, and dont use any amp at all?
Yep, they both said
How did it work? I asked
Worked ok, they both said, sounded like shit, they both said that too.
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip
"RC_Moonpie" <rc_moonpies@hotmail,com > wrote in message
news:meqdu25fln021s5uqdu6v12ksr4gie2su2@4ax,com ...
> this also gets back to the clubs that have the house system and a
> dedicated sound guy. couple of places like this, i asked the guys
> running the board, do any guitarists ever show up with just a POD or
> similar device, and hand you an XLR, and dont use any amp at all?
>
> Yep, they both said
>
> How did it work? I asked
>
> Worked ok, they both said, sounded like shit, they both said that too.
>
Been watching a couple bands that do quite enough giggin for a longer
while...often go along them to gigs just to catch some of that backstage
fun. They play AC/DC covers and some, well HC rock I might call it. 'Bout 3
years ago they started using Tech-21 (120W amps) gear instead of tube amp
rigs, and begun offering the soundmen just XLR's. They all grunted and put
up mikes anyway, cussing at the D/I sounds being bad.
This year, the shows I've been to see, the same soundmen are exactly the
opposite, going '"YES! You guys have Tech-21's! Man this makes it easy to
get a great balance!" and similar. I sat thru one show in a mixing booth
chatting away with the soundmen and they both praised how some of the line
feed stuff these days is so good, it's much better to use them than go thru
the trouble of miking, especially in these 200-seater bars and so, where the
biggest problem is excess noise coming from everywhere.
One place even has these plexiglass walls they put the drummers behind to
play, and also smaller plexi walls to put in front of amps if someone uses a
loud tube amp. Those guys are in extacy when someone comes up with tech-21's
or similars.
"RC_Moonpie" <rc_moonpies@hotmail,com > wrote in message
news:meqdu25fln021s5uqdu6v12ksr4gie2su2@4ax,com ...
> this also gets back to the clubs that have the house system and a
> dedicated sound guy. couple of places like this, i asked the guys
> running the board, do any guitarists ever show up with just a POD or
> similar device, and hand you an XLR, and dont use any amp at all?
>
> Yep, they both said
>
> How did it work? I asked
>
> Worked ok, they both said, sounded like shit, they both said that too.
>
Been watching a couple bands that do quite enough giggin for a longer
while...often go along them to gigs just to catch some of that backstage
fun. They play AC/DC covers and some, well HC rock I might call it. 'Bout 3
years ago they started using Tech-21 (120W amps) gear instead of tube amp
rigs, and begun offering the soundmen just XLR's. They all grunted and put
up mikes anyway, cussing at the D/I sounds being bad.
This year, the shows I've been to see, the same soundmen are exactly the
opposite, going '"YES! You guys have Tech-21's! Man this makes it easy to
get a great balance!" and similar. I sat thru one show in a mixing booth
chatting away with the soundmen and they both praised how some of the line
feed stuff these days is so good, it's much better to use them than go thru
the trouble of miking, especially in these 200-seater bars and so, where the
biggest problem is excess noise coming from everywhere.
One place even has these plexiglass walls they put the drummers behind to
play, and also smaller plexi walls to put in front of amps if someone uses a
loud tube amp. Those guys are in extacy when someone comes up with tech-21's
or similars.
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:22:56 +0200, "DeeAa"
<deeaaREMOVEthisHERE@dnainternet,net > wrote:
>"RC_Moonpie" <rc_moonpies@hotmail,com > wrote in message
>news:meqdu25fln021s5uqdu6v12ksr4gie2su2@4ax,com ...
>
>> this also gets back to the clubs that have the house system and a
>> dedicated sound guy. couple of places like this, i asked the guys
>> running the board, do any guitarists ever show up with just a POD or
>> similar device, and hand you an XLR, and dont use any amp at all?
>>
>> Yep, they both said
>>
>> How did it work? I asked
>>
>> Worked ok, they both said, sounded like shit, they both said that too.
>>
>Been watching a couple bands that do quite enough giggin for a longer
>while...often go along them to gigs just to catch some of that backstage
>fun. They play AC/DC covers and some, well HC rock I might call it. 'Bout 3
>years ago they started using Tech-21 (120W amps) gear instead of tube amp
>rigs, and begun offering the soundmen just XLR's. They all grunted and put
>up mikes anyway, cussing at the D/I sounds being bad.
>
>This year, the shows I've been to see, the same soundmen are exactly the
>opposite, going '"YES! You guys have Tech-21's! Man this makes it easy to
>get a great balance!" and similar. I sat thru one show in a mixing booth
>chatting away with the soundmen and they both praised how some of the line
>feed stuff these days is so good, it's much better to use them than go thru
>the trouble of miking, especially in these 200-seater bars and so, where the
>biggest problem is excess noise coming from everywhere.
>
>One place even has these plexiglass walls they put the drummers behind to
>play, and also smaller plexi walls to put in front of amps if someone uses a
>loud tube amp. Those guys are in extacy when someone comes up with tech-21's
>or similars.
>
>
I guess. I think the Tech 21s sound terrible. Just my opinion. I also
think a plexi baffle for a small combo amp, with a mic hanging down
from handle suspended by a drum L-claw, is a marvelous way to go for a
club.
Then again, i'm the kinda guy that often gets asked to turn my amp UP.
Not down.
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:22:56 +0200, "DeeAa"
<deeaaREMOVEthisHERE@dnainternet,net > wrote:
>"RC_Moonpie" <rc_moonpies@hotmail,com > wrote in message
>news:meqdu25fln021s5uqdu6v12ksr4gie2su2@4ax,com ...
>
>> this also gets back to the clubs that have the house system and a
>> dedicated sound guy. couple of places like this, i asked the guys
>> running the board, do any guitarists ever show up with just a POD or
>> similar device, and hand you an XLR, and dont use any amp at all?
>>
>> Yep, they both said
>>
>> How did it work? I asked
>>
>> Worked ok, they both said, sounded like shit, they both said that too.
>>
>Been watching a couple bands that do quite enough giggin for a longer
>while...often go along them to gigs just to catch some of that backstage
>fun. They play AC/DC covers and some, well HC rock I might call it. 'Bout 3
>years ago they started using Tech-21 (120W amps) gear instead of tube amp
>rigs, and begun offering the soundmen just XLR's. They all grunted and put
>up mikes anyway, cussing at the D/I sounds being bad.
>
>This year, the shows I've been to see, the same soundmen are exactly the
>opposite, going '"YES! You guys have Tech-21's! Man this makes it easy to
>get a great balance!" and similar. I sat thru one show in a mixing booth
>chatting away with the soundmen and they both praised how some of the line
>feed stuff these days is so good, it's much better to use them than go thru
>the trouble of miking, especially in these 200-seater bars and so, where the
>biggest problem is excess noise coming from everywhere.
>
>One place even has these plexiglass walls they put the drummers behind to
>play, and also smaller plexi walls to put in front of amps if someone uses a
>loud tube amp. Those guys are in extacy when someone comes up with tech-21's
>or similars.
>
>
I guess. I think the Tech 21s sound terrible. Just my opinion. I also
think a plexi baffle for a small combo amp, with a mic hanging down
from handle suspended by a drum L-claw, is a marvelous way to go for a
club.
Then again, i'm the kinda guy that often gets asked to turn my amp UP.
Not down.
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip
RC_Moonpie wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:22:56 +0200, "DeeAa"
> <deeaaREMOVEthisHERE@dnainternet,net > wrote:
>
>
>>"RC_Moonpie" <rc_moonpies@hotmail,com > wrote in message
>>news:meqdu25fln021s5uqdu6v12ksr4gie2su2@4ax,com ...
>>
>>
>>>this also gets back to the clubs that have the house system and a
>>>dedicated sound guy. couple of places like this, i asked the guys
>>>running the board, do any guitarists ever show up with just a POD or
>>>similar device, and hand you an XLR, and dont use any amp at all?
>>>
>>>Yep, they both said
>>>
>>>How did it work? I asked
>>>
>>>Worked ok, they both said, sounded like shit, they both said that too.
>>>
>>
>>Been watching a couple bands that do quite enough giggin for a longer
>>while...often go along them to gigs just to catch some of that backstage
>>fun. They play AC/DC covers and some, well HC rock I might call it. 'Bout 3
>>years ago they started using Tech-21 (120W amps) gear instead of tube amp
>>rigs, and begun offering the soundmen just XLR's. They all grunted and put
>>up mikes anyway, cussing at the D/I sounds being bad.
>>
>>This year, the shows I've been to see, the same soundmen are exactly the
>>opposite, going '"YES! You guys have Tech-21's! Man this makes it easy to
>>get a great balance!" and similar. I sat thru one show in a mixing booth
>>chatting away with the soundmen and they both praised how some of the line
>>feed stuff these days is so good, it's much better to use them than go thru
>>the trouble of miking, especially in these 200-seater bars and so, where the
>>biggest problem is excess noise coming from everywhere.
>>
>>One place even has these plexiglass walls they put the drummers behind to
>>play, and also smaller plexi walls to put in front of amps if someone uses a
>>loud tube amp. Those guys are in extacy when someone comes up with tech-21's
>>or similars.
>>
>>
>
> I guess. I think the Tech 21s sound terrible. Just my opinion. I also
> think a plexi baffle for a small combo amp, with a mic hanging down
> from handle suspended by a drum L-claw, is a marvelous way to go for a
> club.
>
> Then again, i'm the kinda guy that often gets asked to turn my amp UP.
> Not down.
A soundguy I know often has to turn amps down or face backwards to
control stage sound the PA in not-too-big places.
--
Kind regards,
Mogens V.
RC_Moonpie wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:22:56 +0200, "DeeAa"
> <deeaaREMOVEthisHERE@dnainternet,net > wrote:
>
>
>>"RC_Moonpie" <rc_moonpies@hotmail,com > wrote in message
>>news:meqdu25fln021s5uqdu6v12ksr4gie2su2@4ax,com ...
>>
>>
>>>this also gets back to the clubs that have the house system and a
>>>dedicated sound guy. couple of places like this, i asked the guys
>>>running the board, do any guitarists ever show up with just a POD or
>>>similar device, and hand you an XLR, and dont use any amp at all?
>>>
>>>Yep, they both said
>>>
>>>How did it work? I asked
>>>
>>>Worked ok, they both said, sounded like shit, they both said that too.
>>>
>>
>>Been watching a couple bands that do quite enough giggin for a longer
>>while...often go along them to gigs just to catch some of that backstage
>>fun. They play AC/DC covers and some, well HC rock I might call it. 'Bout 3
>>years ago they started using Tech-21 (120W amps) gear instead of tube amp
>>rigs, and begun offering the soundmen just XLR's. They all grunted and put
>>up mikes anyway, cussing at the D/I sounds being bad.
>>
>>This year, the shows I've been to see, the same soundmen are exactly the
>>opposite, going '"YES! You guys have Tech-21's! Man this makes it easy to
>>get a great balance!" and similar. I sat thru one show in a mixing booth
>>chatting away with the soundmen and they both praised how some of the line
>>feed stuff these days is so good, it's much better to use them than go thru
>>the trouble of miking, especially in these 200-seater bars and so, where the
>>biggest problem is excess noise coming from everywhere.
>>
>>One place even has these plexiglass walls they put the drummers behind to
>>play, and also smaller plexi walls to put in front of amps if someone uses a
>>loud tube amp. Those guys are in extacy when someone comes up with tech-21's
>>or similars.
>>
>>
>
> I guess. I think the Tech 21s sound terrible. Just my opinion. I also
> think a plexi baffle for a small combo amp, with a mic hanging down
> from handle suspended by a drum L-claw, is a marvelous way to go for a
> club.
>
> Then again, i'm the kinda guy that often gets asked to turn my amp UP.
> Not down.
A soundguy I know often has to turn amps down or face backwards to
control stage sound the PA in not-too-big places.
--
Kind regards,
Mogens V.
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip
On 1 Mar 2007 03:28:08 -0800, "Xtrchessreal" <XtrChessreal@gmail,com > wrote:
>On Feb 28, 2:32 am, "Dave Moore" <valvel...@last,net > wrote:
>> "PRS Geek" <nos...@nospam,com > wrote in messagenews:BZEEh.1$iw4.0@newssvr23.news.prodigy,net ...
>>
>> :: "RC_Moonpie" <rc_moonp...@hotmail,com > wrote in message
>>
>> :news:bo46u219l43prg80t80em989bv5l24421p@4ax,com ...
>> : > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:13:57 -0800, Jim <a...@beforeyousend,com >: > wrote:
>>
>> : >
>> : >
>> : >
>> : >>I used to be one of those "pedals bad, tube amps good" type of guys.
>> : >>But reality is that most pros use pedals, at least live. Many while
>> : >>recording.
>> : >
>> : >
>> : > I havent seen many live bands where the guitarist brings out a PC and
>> : > then runs an XLR to the board.
>> : >
>> : > Wouldnt surprise me to start seeing it in the future.
>> :
>> : I saw the guitar player of a guitar/vocal duet do that in FL when I was on
>> : vacation last Sept... Jazz stuff. It was decent.
>> :
>> : Jeff
>>
>> As an amp designer, that's one of the things I'm working on
>> to create a sort of front end that can do just about any sound.
>> The idea here is that a musician could use any clean amp
>> or power amp.
>> I can forsee a day in the not too distant furure when
>> perhaps nightclubs would just keep a bank of clean power
>> amps in house.
>> Then, the musicians wouldn't have to
>> lug a lot of heavy gear around. A guitarist could waltz in
>> with only a guitar and perhaps some kind of MIDI pedal
>> controlled modeling preamp slung in a backpack.
>>
>> Of course, die hard Hammond organ wankers would just be
>> shit outa luck.
>
>Leaving the sound in that clip setup the same as it is and then
>amplifying it via PA or other amp you going to get a very loud floor
>and have some feedback issues at the volume you need to be at for the
>club. You might not have too much of a problem if the sound system
>was wall to wall speakers floor to ceiling with a low DB out. The
>Sound pressure level can be higher with more speakers at lower output
>levels, then you might be okay, in fact it might sound really hot. I
>doubt you'll get many clubs spending on sound systems. They rarely do
>it now and then it is usually way too small.
>
>Well known clubs have good stuff, Bangles in Denver - which is
>reopened I heard - Whisky out in LA, I am sure many more top places.
>The clubs I play are about 5k to 7k square feet, stink, tiny stages,
>crappy room layout, sometimes no stage, no sound, no lights, no
>electricity!
>
>I've been to the Stardust lounge many times, they have one outlet, ONE
>outlet to run the entire band including lights. We spent a couple of
>nights in the dark waiting for the electric company to come out a turn
>the power back on because the transformer on the pole blew up. I kid
>you not. We had a real laugh about it, the emergency lights lasted
>for about 20 minutes then we pulled out our flashlights for about two
>hours. The next night the popcorn popper was plugged into the same
>circuit as the stage and it blew the breaker four times while we were
>playing. That actually happened several times on different nights
>now.
>
>In another club I played last week we had some surge issues that I
>still don't understand. My Roland GP8 kept defaulting to the startup
>routine without any mechanical input. That happened like five or six
>times in the first two sets and continued through the night. Then one
>of my amps died in the last set while I was playing. Blew the HT
>fuse, one of the power tubes failed. This made me upset since I just
>put that set of tubes in, maybe had five gigs on them in two months,
>about 35 operating hours.
No reason to not run your digital hardware off of a UPS - won't save your tube
gear from browning and surging, but it'll save you from the reboots.
Ron
Ron
Effect pedal demo's up at http :// www .soundclick,com /ronsonicpedalry
On 1 Mar 2007 03:28:08 -0800, "Xtrchessreal" <XtrChessreal@gmail,com > wrote:
>On Feb 28, 2:32 am, "Dave Moore" <valvel...@last,net > wrote:
>> "PRS Geek" <nos...@nospam,com > wrote in messagenews:BZEEh.1$iw4.0@newssvr23.news.prodigy,net ...
>>
>> :: "RC_Moonpie" <rc_moonp...@hotmail,com > wrote in message
>>
>> :news:bo46u219l43prg80t80em989bv5l24421p@4ax,com ...
>> : > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:13:57 -0800, Jim <a...@beforeyousend,com >: > wrote:
>>
>> : >
>> : >
>> : >
>> : >>I used to be one of those "pedals bad, tube amps good" type of guys.
>> : >>But reality is that most pros use pedals, at least live. Many while
>> : >>recording.
>> : >
>> : >
>> : > I havent seen many live bands where the guitarist brings out a PC and
>> : > then runs an XLR to the board.
>> : >
>> : > Wouldnt surprise me to start seeing it in the future.
>> :
>> : I saw the guitar player of a guitar/vocal duet do that in FL when I was on
>> : vacation last Sept... Jazz stuff. It was decent.
>> :
>> : Jeff
>>
>> As an amp designer, that's one of the things I'm working on
>> to create a sort of front end that can do just about any sound.
>> The idea here is that a musician could use any clean amp
>> or power amp.
>> I can forsee a day in the not too distant furure when
>> perhaps nightclubs would just keep a bank of clean power
>> amps in house.
>> Then, the musicians wouldn't have to
>> lug a lot of heavy gear around. A guitarist could waltz in
>> with only a guitar and perhaps some kind of MIDI pedal
>> controlled modeling preamp slung in a backpack.
>>
>> Of course, die hard Hammond organ wankers would just be
>> shit outa luck.
>
>Leaving the sound in that clip setup the same as it is and then
>amplifying it via PA or other amp you going to get a very loud floor
>and have some feedback issues at the volume you need to be at for the
>club. You might not have too much of a problem if the sound system
>was wall to wall speakers floor to ceiling with a low DB out. The
>Sound pressure level can be higher with more speakers at lower output
>levels, then you might be okay, in fact it might sound really hot. I
>doubt you'll get many clubs spending on sound systems. They rarely do
>it now and then it is usually way too small.
>
>Well known clubs have good stuff, Bangles in Denver - which is
>reopened I heard - Whisky out in LA, I am sure many more top places.
>The clubs I play are about 5k to 7k square feet, stink, tiny stages,
>crappy room layout, sometimes no stage, no sound, no lights, no
>electricity!
>
>I've been to the Stardust lounge many times, they have one outlet, ONE
>outlet to run the entire band including lights. We spent a couple of
>nights in the dark waiting for the electric company to come out a turn
>the power back on because the transformer on the pole blew up. I kid
>you not. We had a real laugh about it, the emergency lights lasted
>for about 20 minutes then we pulled out our flashlights for about two
>hours. The next night the popcorn popper was plugged into the same
>circuit as the stage and it blew the breaker four times while we were
>playing. That actually happened several times on different nights
>now.
>
>In another club I played last week we had some surge issues that I
>still don't understand. My Roland GP8 kept defaulting to the startup
>routine without any mechanical input. That happened like five or six
>times in the first two sets and continued through the night. Then one
>of my amps died in the last set while I was playing. Blew the HT
>fuse, one of the power tubes failed. This made me upset since I just
>put that set of tubes in, maybe had five gigs on them in two months,
>about 35 operating hours.
No reason to not run your digital hardware off of a UPS - won't save your tube
gear from browning and surging, but it'll save you from the reboots.
Ron
Ron
Effect pedal demo's up at http :// www .soundclick,com /ronsonicpedalry
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip
RC_Moonpie wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:13:57 -0800, Jim <askme@beforeyousend,com >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>I used to be one of those "pedals bad, tube amps good" type of guys.
>>But reality is that most pros use pedals, at least live. Many while
>>recording.
>
>
>
> I havent seen many live bands where the guitarist brings out a PC and
> then runs an XLR to the board.
No, but if you can to a soundcard, you can hook it directly to the PA.
--
Kind regards,
Mogens V.
RC_Moonpie wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:13:57 -0800, Jim <askme@beforeyousend,com >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>I used to be one of those "pedals bad, tube amps good" type of guys.
>>But reality is that most pros use pedals, at least live. Many while
>>recording.
>
>
>
> I havent seen many live bands where the guitarist brings out a PC and
> then runs an XLR to the board.
No, but if you can to a soundcard, you can hook it directly to the PA.
--
Kind regards,
Mogens V.
Re: DOD even harmonic---clip
"DeeAa" <deeaaREMOVEthisHERE@dnainternet,net > wrote in message
news:45e1a4f8$0$31539$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
> Hello,
>
> Thought I'd share this - I like the pedal. Here's a clip I threw together
> quickly:
> http :// deeaa.pp.fi/clips/DOD.mp3
>
> It's my Jackson w/EMG onto a SansAmp Tri-AC > Digitech digiverb pedal >
> behringer direct-box > PC, all powered with a 9v transformer on the
> rhythm, and on the lead (right) I add the DOD FX100 as a
> booster/distortion pedal. I think it wails pretty nicely for a stompbox
> direct to board!
>
> The clip is just those 4 stomp boxes direct to PC, the only thing I added
> is panning and some overall reverb, no EQ or anythíng.
>
> Who needs amps these days when already simple stompboxes are doing a
> pretty good job at amp emulation ?
I think you tweaked the crap outta them things and they sound real nice to
my ears. I'm kinda' purist (probably because I have so much invested in my
recording gear), but those sounds pass as _very_ good, even if you weren't
using a mic. Just goes to show you, these things are tools to help gain and
end result.
Nice work.
Jeff
"DeeAa" <deeaaREMOVEthisHERE@dnainternet,net > wrote in message
news:45e1a4f8$0$31539$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
> Hello,
>
> Thought I'd share this - I like the pedal. Here's a clip I threw together
> quickly:
> http :// deeaa.pp.fi/clips/DOD.mp3
>
> It's my Jackson w/EMG onto a SansAmp Tri-AC > Digitech digiverb pedal >
> behringer direct-box > PC, all powered with a 9v transformer on the
> rhythm, and on the lead (right) I add the DOD FX100 as a
> booster/distortion pedal. I think it wails pretty nicely for a stompbox
> direct to board!
>
> The clip is just those 4 stomp boxes direct to PC, the only thing I added
> is panning and some overall reverb, no EQ or anythíng.
>
> Who needs amps these days when already simple stompboxes are doing a
> pretty good job at amp emulation ?
I think you tweaked the crap outta them things and they sound real nice to
my ears. I'm kinda' purist (probably because I have so much invested in my
recording gear), but those sounds pass as _very_ good, even if you weren't
using a mic. Just goes to show you, these things are tools to help gain and
end result.
Nice work.
Jeff
