Need guitarists opinion

Need guitarists opinion

Im the singer/guitarist of my band and I have a few questions for you
guys. I have roughly 9 songs almost finished yet some people are
saying that getting another guitarist would help filling in the sound.
I appreciate their concern and all but I play Alternative metal like
Deftones, Staind, etc and as I try to teach the guitarist what to play
I feel like they're playing what im playing so I dont get why I need
another guitarist. Like soloing, harmonizing is cool but I know theres
a loop station pedal where i can save the rhythm and when i need it i
can step on it and do a lead so i dont know what to do please help!
Another thing! Im really into effects and I want to put more spice
into my music, what do you guys recommend? Ive played a flanger,
delay, chorus and they sound cool but i dont want to buy something and
not know how to use it or what a good eq would be for it. Again I play
Alternative metal like Staind, Deftones, Mudvayne, Flaw, 40 below
summer, Three days grace etc. Do you guys recommend a cry baby wah? I
want to put a lot of spice into my music and not just be another band
ya know? By the way with the guitarist situation if you know any good
ideas for me to approach the guitarist thats trying out tell me!!
thanks guys

Re: Need guitarists opinion


<mcapadais@yahoo . com > wrote in message
news:032162ad-9c7b-40a0-a254-e739b7bc29be@v4g2000hsf.googlegroups . com ...
> Im the singer/guitarist of my band and I have a few questions for you
> guys. I have roughly 9 songs almost finished yet some people are
> saying that getting another guitarist would help filling in the sound.
> I appreciate their concern and all but I play Alternative metal like
> Deftones, Staind, etc and as I try to teach the guitarist what to play
> I feel like they're playing what im playing so I dont get why I need
> another guitarist. Like soloing, harmonizing is cool but I know theres
> a loop station pedal where i can save the rhythm and when i need it i
> can step on it and do a lead so i dont know what to do please help!
> Another thing! Im really into effects and I want to put more spice
> into my music, what do you guys recommend? Ive played a flanger,
> delay, chorus and they sound cool but i dont want to buy something and
> not know how to use it or what a good eq would be for it. Again I play
> Alternative metal like Staind, Deftones, Mudvayne, Flaw, 40 below
> summer, Three days grace etc. Do you guys recommend a cry baby wah? I
> want to put a lot of spice into my music and not just be another band
> ya know? By the way with the guitarist situation if you know any good
> ideas for me to approach the guitarist thats trying out tell me!!
> thanks guys

My opinion, not an authoritative statement.
Use a second guitarist. It adds new dimensions to your music, and two (or
more) guitarists can perform rhythm and lead simultaneously.
If you're doing metal, do you have the basic distortion and overdrive
pedals? These give a heavy, powerful sound.
While a wah-wah would add spice, I'm not sure how it would sound with metal.
You might want to experiment, but it may not be right for your musical
style.
Have you used a slide? Nice sound when done well.
As for interviewing guitarists, find out if they're better at lead or rhythm
and work around that. See what their musical influences are and if those
influences would blend with your style. For instance, country rock might
not fit, whereas blues might work well.

Re: Need guitarists opinion

On Jan 27, 3:14 pm, "Woof" <jamesdandr...@sbcglobal . net > wrote:
> <mcapad...@yahoo . com > wrote in message
>
> news:032162ad-9c7b-40a0-a254-e739b7bc29be@v4g2000hsf.googlegroups . com ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Im the singer/guitarist of my band and I have a few questions for you
> > guys.  I have roughly 9 songs almost finished yet some people are
> > saying that getting another guitarist would help filling in the sound.
> > I appreciate their concern and all but I play Alternative metal like
> > Deftones, Staind, etc and as I try to teach the guitarist what to play
> > I feel like they're playing what im playing so I dont get why I need
> > another guitarist. Like soloing, harmonizing is cool but I know theres
> > a loop station pedal where i can save the rhythm and when i need it i
> > can step on it and do a lead so i dont know what to do please help!
> > Another thing! Im really into effects and I want to put more spice
> > into my music, what do you guys recommend?  Ive played a flanger,
> > delay, chorus and they sound cool but i dont want to buy something and
> > not know how to use it or what a good eq would be for it. Again I play
> > Alternative metal like Staind, Deftones, Mudvayne, Flaw, 40 below
> > summer, Three days grace etc. Do you guys recommend a cry baby wah? I
> > want to put a lot of spice into my music and not just be another band
> > ya know? By the way with the guitarist situation if you know any good
> > ideas for me to approach the guitarist thats trying out tell me!!
> > thanks guys
>
> My opinion, not an authoritative statement.
> Use a second guitarist.  It adds new dimensions to your music, and two (=
or
> more) guitarists can perform rhythm and lead simultaneously.
> If you're doing metal, do you have the basic distortion and overdrive
> pedals?  These give a heavy, powerful sound.
> While a wah-wah would add spice, I'm not sure how it would sound with meta=
l.
> You might want to experiment, but it may not be right for your musical
> style.
> Have you used a slide?  Nice sound when done well.
> As for interviewing guitarists, find out if they're better at lead or rhyt=
hm
> and work around that.  See what their musical influences are and if thos=
e
> influences would blend with your style.  For instance, country rock migh=
t
> not fit, whereas blues might work well.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks for the imput. Its not like heavy metal its like alternative
with metal roots. I want another guitarist but I guess its very hard
finding someone matching my style ya know? I have a lead player thats
trying out thats pretty nasty but yeah about effects I guess its a
Alternative/hard rock/metal like Staind or Deftones if you have heard
of any of those bands.

Re: Need guitarists opinion

For the style you're doing, you need a second guitar player. You will
need to find one that compliments what you're doing if you're writing
the tunes and you'll have to have complimentary parts for the stuff he
writes.

You will have a bigger sound when both guitar players play different
parts. Different chord inversions or one doing a little line over or
behind some heavy chugging chordal stuff.

When you get with another guy and are auditioning him or whatever.
Explain the approach you want him to take and that you'll do likewise.
Thats how I would approach it.

It will sound very BIG when you're doing complimentary stuff with each
other and not the same thing.

Good luck to you...

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:41:06 -0800 (PST), mcapadais@yahoo . com wrote:

>Im the singer/guitarist of my band and I have a few questions for you
>guys. I have roughly 9 songs almost finished yet some people are
>saying that getting another guitarist would help filling in the sound.
>I appreciate their concern and all but I play Alternative metal like
>Deftones, Staind, etc and as I try to teach the guitarist what to play
>I feel like they're playing what im playing so I dont get why I need
>another guitarist. Like soloing, harmonizing is cool but I know theres
>a loop station pedal where i can save the rhythm and when i need it i
>can step on it and do a lead so i dont know what to do please help!
>Another thing! Im really into effects and I want to put more spice
>into my music, what do you guys recommend? Ive played a flanger,
>delay, chorus and they sound cool but i dont want to buy something and
>not know how to use it or what a good eq would be for it. Again I play
>Alternative metal like Staind, Deftones, Mudvayne, Flaw, 40 below
>summer, Three days grace etc. Do you guys recommend a cry baby wah? I
>want to put a lot of spice into my music and not just be another band
>ya know? By the way with the guitarist situation if you know any good
>ideas for me to approach the guitarist thats trying out tell me!!
>thanks guys

Re: Need guitarists opinion

On Jan 26, 8:41 pm, mcapad...@yahoo . com wrote:
> Im the singer/guitarist of my band and I have a few questions for you
> guys. I have roughly 9 songs almost finished yet some people are
> saying that getting another guitarist would help filling in the sound.
> I appreciate their concern and all but I play Alternative metal like
> Deftones, Staind, etc and as I try to teach the guitarist what to play
> I feel like they're playing what im playing so I dont get why I need
> another guitarist. Like soloing, harmonizing is cool but I know theres
> a loop station pedal where i can save the rhythm and when i need it i
> can step on it and do a lead so i dont know what to do please help!
> Another thing! Im really into effects and I want to put more spice
> into my music, what do you guys recommend? Ive played a flanger,
> delay, chorus and they sound cool but i dont want to buy something and
> not know how to use it or what a good eq would be for it. Again I play
> Alternative metal like Staind, Deftones, Mudvayne, Flaw, 40 below
> summer, Three days grace etc. Do you guys recommend a cry baby wah? I
> want to put a lot of spice into my music and not just be another band
> ya know? By the way with the guitarist situation if you know any good
> ideas for me to approach the guitarist thats trying out tell me!!
> thanks guys

If you are going to have another guitar player you really want to
consider the following:

Stylistically, you should seek to find someone who likes much of the
same stuff, and wants to be in a band like this (very important). But
even more important is that you want to find a guitar player who has
different influences than you. And here's why:

In creating a sound for your band, while the songwriting will help
define the style of music, it doesn't define the sound. The sound is
defined by the background influences of the players because it affects
their approach to playing, the directions they're coming from and the
directions they're going musically.

You want to take advantages of those differences because it will
increase the potential your band will have. The more diversity,
musically, people are drawing on, that is brought into the band, the
better off you will be because this will help create a broader palate
to draw from in the interpretation of your music by the individuals
you play with.

No one should be asked to play "exactly" like you because they AREN'T
you. However, that said, you can ask them to approach the task a
certain way because you are looking for a sound, a sonic character for
the song. But you should not be closed off to something different. I
can't tell you how many times my mates have made a suggestion about a
portion of a song that changed the character away from what I thought
it should be -- and it turned out to be better than I had originally
written it.

As far as effects, remember, they are effects and should be employed
sparingly. Advice on which to buy? Well, just because all alterna-
metal bands use X, Y and Z effects does not mean you must do so as
well. It is the people who break with convention who end up creating
something interesting and even desirable to have in their collection
of albums.

People who set trends are people who do not follow the lead of others.
You cut your own path through the jungle. And that means not doing
things the way they have been done before, but by breaking with the
pack and finding your own way. It's often more difficult, but if you
succeed, it is worth every bit of blood, sweat and tears.

--Fletch

Re: Need guitarists opinion

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:41:06 -0800 (PST), mcapadais@yahoo . com wrote:

>Im the singer/guitarist of my band and I have a few questions for you
>guys. I have roughly 9 songs almost finished yet some people are
>saying that getting another guitarist would help filling in the sound.
>I appreciate their concern and all but I play Alternative metal like
>Deftones, Staind, etc and as I try to teach the guitarist what to play
>I feel like they're playing what im playing so I dont get why I need
>another guitarist. Like soloing, harmonizing is cool but I know theres
>a loop station pedal where i can save the rhythm and when i need it i
>can step on it and do a lead so i dont know what to do please help!
>Another thing! Im really into effects and I want to put more spice
>into my music, what do you guys recommend? Ive played a flanger,
>delay, chorus and they sound cool but i dont want to buy something and
>not know how to use it or what a good eq would be for it. Again I play
>Alternative metal like Staind, Deftones, Mudvayne, Flaw, 40 below
>summer, Three days grace etc. Do you guys recommend a cry baby wah? I
>want to put a lot of spice into my music and not just be another band
>ya know? By the way with the guitarist situation if you know any good
>ideas for me to approach the guitarist thats trying out tell me!!
>thanks guys


I'm not a guitar player (I play keys) but I have two names that if you
think about it will make alot of sense and give a reason for a second
guitarist:

Jerry Garcia and Bob Weir

One played lead and one played rhythm, often changing from lead to
rhythm within a song. Just listen to their interplay on the jam from
Not Fade Away-----> Going Down The Road Feeling Bad on Skulls & Roses.

Michael
( * michaelschey.blogspot . com /)

Re: Need guitarists opinion

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:00:01 -0500, Michael Schey
<mscheynjSPAMBLOCK@yahoo . com > wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:41:06 -0800 (PST), mcapadais@yahoo . com wrote:
>
>>Im the singer/guitarist of my band and I have a few questions for you
>>guys. I have roughly 9 songs almost finished yet some people are
>>saying that getting another guitarist would help filling in the sound.
>>I appreciate their concern and all but I play Alternative metal like
>>Deftones, Staind, etc and as I try to teach the guitarist what to play
>>I feel like they're playing what im playing so I dont get why I need
>>another guitarist. Like soloing, harmonizing is cool but I know theres
>>a loop station pedal where i can save the rhythm and when i need it i
>>can step on it and do a lead so i dont know what to do please help!
>>Another thing! Im really into effects and I want to put more spice
>>into my music, what do you guys recommend? Ive played a flanger,
>>delay, chorus and they sound cool but i dont want to buy something and
>>not know how to use it or what a good eq would be for it. Again I play
>>Alternative metal like Staind, Deftones, Mudvayne, Flaw, 40 below
>>summer, Three days grace etc. Do you guys recommend a cry baby wah? I
>>want to put a lot of spice into my music and not just be another band
>>ya know? By the way with the guitarist situation if you know any good
>>ideas for me to approach the guitarist thats trying out tell me!!
>>thanks guys
>
>
>I'm not a guitar player (I play keys) but I have two names that if you
>think about it will make alot of sense and give a reason for a second
>guitarist:
>
>Jerry Garcia and Bob Weir
>
>One played lead and one played rhythm, often changing from lead to
>rhythm within a song. Just listen to their interplay on the jam from
>Not Fade Away-----> Going Down The Road Feeling Bad on Skulls & Roses.
>
>Michael
>( * michaelschey.blogspot . com /)

I've recorded some original stuff. I notice when I set up the
drums, bass, rhythm, and lead. The songs seem dull because it was
all the same focus in the song. I could add dozens of tracks, and
loops but it was still to much, "my song", all the parts are sorta the
same.

That is what your friends mean by filling in,
Not playing what you play but moving the song in a new direction.

If you get a good guitarist, who can play, that should add another
personality and fill in the spaces, with unlooked for melodies and
hot riffs. Just because you did not write that part.

there is metal that sounds like all metal, but then there are some
that do more than yell and slam heavy downstrokes.
Melody is not a a sissy word the best of metal has a kick ass melody,
and all the rest of the cool shit , that is metal.

I like shredders that can carry a melody as they shred,
To jam out 16 to 20 notes a second is dull without an inspired
lead


With a good guitarist all you have to do is tell them What KEY to
play in.
Then play and they should be able to jump in after hearing the song
through once, so they can work out a few runs , or rhythm chops. I
love a rythm player that can toss aa few strokes in at the perfect
moment.
A song lasts 2 minutes or whatever, you can bore the crap outta
people in two minutes.
If your not using your computer as a full sound studio, with all the
effects, mixer , blending , cut and paste tracks
doplers Phasers reverb flanger wah wah echos, on and on you need
some software
"Audition" by adobe , will play up to 99 tracks, play them for you
, while you are recording a fresh track, it is a music studio , Plug
your guitar into the compute's sound card
alt.binaries,guitar.tab has it posted for free get vers 1.5 not the
newer versions ae not cracked right

Cry babies are well worth the investment.
1st fx I bought and 20 years later it still kicks

So are the Multi FX pedals , built in wah wah pedal, it is like 40
pedals in one , thousands of possible combos
Digiteck has some good ones for 100 - 200 dollars

Bose has some great ones a bit more expensive

>"I play Alternative metal like
>>Deftones, Staind, etc and as I try to teach the guitarist what to play
>>I feel like they're playing what im playing so I dont get why I need
>>another guitarist"

If you have to teach them what to play, then they are playing what
you are playing, you do not need that, you can already do that.
Thing is if you want that different flavor, then they gotta be able
to run with it. But since it is your song, you want full control???

So they say it needs filling.
Which means you will need to make some changes to the song.
Right ?? thats the idea , to add spice, make changes, share the
glory. learn new things
Let someone else add input, if you want to get a blend of minds.

Looking for another guitarist, Plan on interviewing at least 10 of
them to find one that will work. have a friend also there , to get
their input on the new guy

A good guitarist is not going to just play what they are told to, at
least not for long. I did that for years in a studio. Could not wait
for the session to end, so I could play it my own style, and see what
turns out.

Get a guitarist that is better than you are.
Unless you feel to intimidated, Let them work the song around with
you, Get together and play together , see what happens, when you
allow someone to do their own deal.
If your songs were good enough the way they are , your friends would
not say it needs to be filled.
You can do it all by yourself, I might sound great to you.

A guitarist who practices alone with a few song books, and develops
an ear for this or that harmonic, thinks it sounds awesome.
When they play it for someone else, it typically sounds really bad.

Adding another musician, means you gotta be tolerant, of different
styles,
It is not like getting married, you won't be stuck with the same
guitar partner forever.
Who knows you might even pick up so new tricks.

The most powerfull instrument in the band is the BASS guitar.
Lead guitarist think playin Bass is easy, because to them it is a 4
string lead . Just because someone can play lead does not make them a
hot bass player. They just think theyy can play Bass like lead
A good bass player , can do it for a group.
Drummers have a style, a guitasrist is not a drummer a good drummer
is incredible.

You see, you are going to be average if you keep doing it all
yourself.
Bring a bunch of talent together, learn to play
" music" together,
then pull out your original songs, after you have a connection with
the group.
You can't possibly be super good at every positon
even baseball has a pitcher and a catcher

Whenm the group gets a song that they all can play it is awesome

Hell Hendrix would invite anyone into his studio to see how they
could improve his own sound with their backing


Who put that soap box right in my way, yo9u knew I was going to get on
top of it!!!

Sorry man , do what you gotta do, and enjoy it, I have no idea what
you have going, I am just saying what works for me, and you gotta
walk in your shoes, and I wear a different size.






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Re: Need guitarists opinion

<snip>

> The most powerfull instrument in the band is the BASS guitar.

<snip>

> A good bass player , can do it for a group.
> Drummers have a style, a guitasrist is not a drummer a good drummer
> is incredible.
>

I hear this over and over again.

In football terms they are the line men. This is where the team building
starts.

Re: Need guitarists opinion

On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 00:06:19 GMT, "MikeinPA" <rmw19372-news@yahoo . com >
wrote:

><snip>
>
>> The most powerfull instrument in the band is the BASS guitar.
>
><snip>
>
>> A good bass player , can do it for a group.
>> Drummers have a style, a guitasrist is not a drummer a good drummer
>> is incredible.
>>
>
>I hear this over and over again.
>
>In football terms they are the line men. This is where the team building
>starts.
>

I agree,
and unfortunately you are correct, the public views the bass and
drummer and rhythm as line men types

The Lead guitarist and singer are the quarter backs, all flash and
show, with talent of course.

A good bass player and drummer are like half backs, makes the singer
and lead look good
Blocking, running, pass recieving.

Guitarist "think" that because they play guitar, that they will be
able to play bass. They get their fret hand moving all over the
place on a bass guitar.
But to play bass well you need to be able to use your strumming
fingers in many different techniques that a guitarist does not even
know about. Setting a foundation of the back beat, and carrying it
through the entire song, changing the structure of the music for
the chorus or bridge sections, then back into the main theme.

Generally
If the lead guitarist, plays the entire song, it tends to get boring
The lead is often better when it comes in Fires off a of wicked lick,
then kicks back, a b9t, then Rips of another few riffs.
And of course the Lead solo part, with the blazing speed and a guitar
version of the melody, is ever popular.
The singers, the trend has been toward , the timing , and the
content, the story line, being more important than having the quality
of the voice.
Interesting, because the other players have to back off, so the
singers words can come across.
The words are processed by the listener in a different part of the
brain, than the musical notes are.
SPeech centers, are a new evolutionary trend, Where as the Auditory
areas of sound and Music, were established way easrlier in time.
You listen to sounds / music without using the logic centers
Music is multi-leveled you do not have to concentrate on sound / or
music to feel its effect. You can hear the entire band at the same
time, or focus logically on one instrument.
The words you must consciously , logically interpret .

The sound of rain, or a bubbling brook can be relaxing, even if you
are not consciously listening to it.

The screeching sound of brakes , gets your heart pounding,
instantly
Auditory is very powerfull and a much older system than or logic
centers.

This is all theoritical of course, but the more I look into it , the
more sense it begins to make.

Modern poetry and literature abounds not so much in books as is our
music. Shakespere today is a Singer or a musician , sorta.
A guitarist who also sings, will not sing and play lead at the same
time, usually they stop playing, for a verse of song, then a measure
of two of music, then another verse. If they do play it is often a
simple strum of a chord and let it ring .






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Re: Need guitarists opinion

Opinion: Search for a second guitarist.

As others have said, "A second guitarist adds demension." Whether
rhythm/lead pairing, contrasting rhythms, rhythm/swells, multiple
guitarists do create a larger, beefer sound, and on the fly changes
that you cannot accomplish with a device. Finding that guitarist will
be the problem. You can advertise and audition, but I would go to
shows, warehouse practice rooms, etc. and listen to and jam with
guitarists until you find ine you like. Then invite him into the band.

Effects are personal in what you like. Try every effect you can.
Wahs are cool, and the Cry Baby is the classic, so good choice.

Good Luck

HippieG