Road Conditions LA to Vegas?

Re: Road Conditions LA to Vegas?

On May 15, 6:24 pm, Jason Pawloski <jpawlo...@gmail . com > wrote:
> On May 15, 6:19 pm, The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
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> > Jason Pawloski wrote:
> > > On May 14, 7:02 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> > >> John B." <j...@computac . com > wrote:
>
> > >> >Uhm, you don't play the slots - do you Scott??  I figure you as mo=
re of a
> > >> >Blackjack or Poker guy.  
>
> > >> LOL! I don't waste my money on gambling - the odds always favor the
> > >> house.
>
> > >> I'd be going for a different purpose (and no, it's not hookers,
> > >> either! :)
>
> > > It's always amusing to see how ignorant some people really are with
> > > respect to gambling. But they always offer their opinion. And it's
> > > almost always wrong.
>
> > So the odds DON'T favor the house on your planet?
>
> > --
> > Cheers, Bev
> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> > "Tip: Place your houseplants in front of the television during
> >   the next presidential debate and watch how leafy they get."
> >                                     =
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> In certain games, the odds do not favor the house. Everyone with an IQ
> greater than 80 knows this. I'm sorry for you.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Sorry for the "IQ greater than 80" quip, I mistook you for someone
else.

Re: Road Conditions LA to Vegas?

Jason Pawloski wrote:

> On May 15, 6:24 pm, Jason Pawloski <jpawlo...@gmail . com > wrote:
>> On May 15, 6:19 pm, The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail . com > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Jason Pawloski wrote:
>> > > On May 14, 7:02 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...@yahoo . com > wrote:
>> > >> John B." <j...@computac . com > wrote:
>>
>> > >> >Uhm, you don't play the slots - do you Scott?? I figure you as more of a
>> > >> >Blackjack or Poker guy.
>>
>> > >> LOL! I don't waste my money on gambling - the odds always favor the
>> > >> house.
>>
>> > >> I'd be going for a different purpose (and no, it's not hookers,
>> > >> either! :)
>>
>> > > It's always amusing to see how ignorant some people really are with
>> > > respect to gambling. But they always offer their opinion. And it's
>> > > almost always wrong.
>>
>> > So the odds DON'T favor the house on your planet?
>>
>> In certain games, the odds do not favor the house. Everyone with an IQ
>> greater than 80 knows this. I'm sorry for you.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Sorry for the "IQ greater than 80" quip, I mistook you for someone
> else.

Hey, we're all allowed to be snotty sometimes! I don't gamble. Why
would a casino bother with a game where they could lose?

--
Cheers,
Bev
1010101010101010101010101010101010101
What do you think you're doing, Dave?
-- Hal 9000

Re: Road Conditions LA to Vegas?

On May 15, 7:22 pm, The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail . com > wrote:
> Jason Pawloski wrote:
> > On May 15, 6:24 pm, Jason Pawloski <jpawlo...@gmail . com > wrote:
> >> On May 15, 6:19 pm, The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> >> > Jason Pawloski wrote:
> >> > > On May 14, 7:02 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...@yahoo . com > wrote:=

> >> > >> John B." <j...@computac . com > wrote:
>
> >> > >> >Uhm, you don't play the slots - do you Scott??  I figure you as=
more of a
> >> > >> >Blackjack or Poker guy.  
>
> >> > >> LOL! I don't waste my money on gambling - the odds always favor th=
e
> >> > >> house.
>
> >> > >> I'd be going for a different purpose (and no, it's not hookers,
> >> > >> either! :)
>
> >> > > It's always amusing to see how ignorant some people really are with=

> >> > > respect to gambling. But they always offer their opinion. And it's
> >> > > almost always wrong.
>
> >> > So the odds DON'T favor the house on your planet?
>
> >> In certain games, the odds do not favor the house. Everyone with an IQ
> >> greater than 80 knows this. I'm sorry for you.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Sorry for the "IQ greater than 80" quip, I mistook you for someone
> > else.
>
> Hey, we're all allowed to be snotty sometimes!  I don't gamble.  Why
> would a casino bother with a game where they could lose?
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Bev
> 1010101010101010101010101010101010101
> What do you think you're doing, Dave?
>                            -- Hal 9000- Hide q=
uoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

The casinos allow positive-expectation games because most people play
them at a disadvantage, even when they think they are at an advantage.

In the case of video poker, you memorize a set of rules to play by
(the number of rules ranges from 40 to well into the 100s) and play.
This might seem like the easiest way to gain an advantage.
Unfortunately - and this is especially true around the Vegas area -
the denominations available of such 100%+ games are small - usually no
higher than quarters (Reno is slightly better).

Full Pay Deuces Wild (FPDW) is probably one of the better games to
play. With perfect play, it pays back 100.7%. As far as I know, it is
only available in quarters in Vegas (and if it were available in
dollars, as soon as it became public knowledge it would be removed).
So a max bet is $1.25. So for every hand you play, you make - in the
long run - $0.00875 (less than one penny).

A light-speed pace of playing video poker is 800 hands/hr. To make
$10,000 playing full pay deuces wild would take over 1,400 hours.

This is of course, only half of the story - there are comps, cash
offers, free play, and many more fringe benefits, which makes video
poker - even for high denom games less than $0.25 - extremely
profitable.

Then there's blackjack, which enjoys possibly the greatest advantage.
The casino allows it because so many people play so poorly and people
expect to have it in the casino. It's an American favorite. If you
play too well, you will be asked to leave the casino, or be read the
trespass act (where you will be violating the law if you come back).
This is legal in all American jurisdictions, except New Jersey, where
they are allowed to by law change the rules of the game as they see
fit.

Basically, there are ways to win out there. The casino usually won't
even notice unless you're raking it in. If they do catch you, or if
you become too greedy, they just ask you to leave. If you come back,
they read the trespass act.

I've been asked to leave a casino once, but I wasn't advantage playing
of course. Wouldn't dream of it.

The easiest way to win money at a casino is to play live poker, and
play it well. The easiest way to gain an advantage over the casino is
blackjack. Other forms of advantage play like slots with high
progressives or video poker is extremely difficult, yields a small
edge, or both, and you will likely go unnoticed if you persue either
of these.

Re: Road Conditions LA to Vegas?

On May 15, 9:24 pm, Jason Pawloski <jpawlo...@gmail . com > wrote:
> On May 15, 7:22 pm, The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Jason Pawloski wrote:
> > > On May 15, 6:24 pm, Jason Pawloski <jpawlo...@gmail . com > wrote:
> > >> On May 15, 6:19 pm, The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail . com > wrote:=

>
> > >> > Jason Pawloski wrote:
> > >> > > On May 14, 7:02 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...@yahoo . com > wrot=
e:
> > >> > >> John B." <j...@computac . com > wrote:
>
> > >> > >> >Uhm, you don't play the slots - do you Scott??  I figure you =
as more of a
> > >> > >> >Blackjack or Poker guy.  
>
> > >> > >> LOL! I don't waste my money on gambling - the odds always favor =
the
> > >> > >> house.
>
> > >> > >> I'd be going for a different purpose (and no, it's not hookers,
> > >> > >> either! :)
>
> > >> > > It's always amusing to see how ignorant some people really are wi=
th
> > >> > > respect to gambling. But they always offer their opinion. And it'=
s
> > >> > > almost always wrong.
>
> > >> > So the odds DON'T favor the house on your planet?
>
> > >> In certain games, the odds do not favor the house. Everyone with an I=
Q
> > >> greater than 80 knows this. I'm sorry for you.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > Sorry for the "IQ greater than 80" quip, I mistook you for someone
> > > else.
>
> > Hey, we're all allowed to be snotty sometimes!  I don't gamble.  Why=

> > would a casino bother with a game where they could lose?
>
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Bev
> > 1010101010101010101010101010101010101
> > What do you think you're doing, Dave?
> >                            -- Hal 9000- Hide=
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> The casinos allow positive-expectation games because most people play
> them at a disadvantage, even when they think they are at an advantage.
>
> In the case of video poker, you memorize a set of rules to play by
> (the number of rules ranges from 40 to well into the 100s) and play.
> This might seem like the easiest way to gain an advantage.
> Unfortunately - and this is especially true around the Vegas area -
> the denominations available of such 100%+ games are small - usually no
> higher than quarters (Reno is slightly better).
>
> Full Pay Deuces Wild (FPDW) is probably one of the better games to
> play. With perfect play, it pays back 100.7%. As far as I know, it is
> only available in quarters in Vegas (and if it were available in
> dollars, as soon as it became public knowledge it would be removed).
> So a max bet is $1.25. So for every hand you play, you make - in the
> long run - $0.00875 (less than one penny).
>
> A light-speed pace of playing video poker is 800 hands/hr. To make
> $10,000 playing full pay deuces wild would take over 1,400 hours.
>
> This is of course, only half of the story - there are comps, cash
> offers, free play, and many more fringe benefits, which makes video
> poker - even for high denom games less than $0.25 - extremely
> profitable.
>
> Then there's blackjack, which enjoys possibly the greatest advantage.
> The casino allows it because so many people play so poorly and people
> expect to have it in the casino. It's an American favorite. If you
> play too well, you will be asked to leave the casino, or be read the
> trespass act (where you will be violating the law if you come back).
> This is legal in all American jurisdictions, except New Jersey, where
> they are allowed to by law change the rules of the game as they see
> fit.
>
> Basically, there are ways to win out there. The casino usually won't
> even notice unless you're raking it in. If they do catch you, or if
> you become too greedy, they just ask you to leave. If you come back,
> they read the trespass act.
>
> I've been asked to leave a casino once, but I wasn't advantage playing
> of course. Wouldn't dream of it.
>
> The easiest way to win money at a casino is to play live poker, and
> play it well. The easiest way to gain an advantage over the casino is
> blackjack. Other forms of advantage play like slots with high
> progressives or video poker is extremely difficult, yields a small
> edge, or both, and you will likely go unnoticed if you persue either
> of these.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Sorry I didn't mention it explicitly, but to play blackjack at an
advantage, card counting is required. Normal strategy is still pretty
good - the payback is like 98% (approximate number, can't remember off
the top of my head).

Re: Road Conditions LA to Vegas?

On 2008-05-16, Jason Pawloski <jpawloski@gmail . com > wrote:

> Sorry I didn't mention it explicitly, but to play blackjack at an
> advantage, card counting is required.

To a certain extent, isn't that true of any card game?

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Re: Road Conditions LA to Vegas?

On May 15, 11:19 pm, Steve Sobol <sjso...@JustThe . net > wrote:
> On 2008-05-16, Jason Pawloski <jpawlo...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> > Sorry I didn't mention it explicitly, but to play blackjack at an
> > advantage, card counting is required.
>
> To a certain extent, isn't that true of any card game?
>
> --
> Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA     PGP:0xE3AE35ED  w w w .SteveSobol . com
> Geek-for-hire. Details: * w w w .linkedin . com /in/stevesobol

Most of the newer generation of card-based table games, such as Pai
Gow Poker, 3 Card Poker, etc. shuffle after every game. Counting cards
is basically a way to use information from previous hands to make a
decision about the current hand. The shuffling removes that
possibility.

Shuffling isn't used in blackjack because it is such a fast-paced
game, especially compared to games like Pai Gow Poker. If they did
shuffle it, it would ruin the flow of the game. Many blackjack games
offered use many decks and they also take a good deal of time to
shuffle.

Re: Road Conditions LA to Vegas?

Jason Pawloski wrote:
> Sorry I didn't mention it explicitly, but to play blackjack at an
> advantage, card counting is required. Normal strategy is still pretty
> good - the payback is like 98% (approximate number, can't remember off
> the top of my head).

Combine that with doubling your bet every time you lose, and you're
guaranteed to come out ahead (by the amount of your initial bet) when
you win, assuming you don't run out of money first. Then start over
with a relatively smaller "initial" bet again. If you play well, these
cycles should be quite short, and you should be able to make a
decent-size initial bet without significant risk of going broke.

Disclaimer: I have no first-hand knowledge of gambling, and the above
statements are based on pure mathematical concepts. If I've overlooked
some factor of Vegas reality, I'm sure Jason will point it out.

--
Vid the Kid

"Does this font make me look fat?"

Re: Road Conditions LA to Vegas?

On Thu, 15 May 2008 18:24:36 -0700 (PDT), Jason Pawloski
<jpawloski@gmail . com > wrote:

>On May 15, 6:19 pm, The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail . com > wrote:
>> Jason Pawloski wrote:
>> > On May 14, 7:02 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...@yahoo . com > wrote:
>> >> John B." <j...@computac . com > wrote:
>>
>> >> >Uhm, you don't play the slots - do you Scott??  I figure you as more of a
>> >> >Blackjack or Poker guy.  
>>
>> >> LOL! I don't waste my money on gambling - the odds always favor the
>> >> house.
>>
>> >> I'd be going for a different purpose (and no, it's not hookers,
>> >> either! :)
>>
>> > It's always amusing to see how ignorant some people really are with
>> > respect to gambling. But they always offer their opinion. And it's
>> > almost always wrong.
>>
>> So the odds DON'T favor the house on your planet?
>>
>> --
>> Cheers, Bev
>> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>> "Tip: Place your houseplants in front of the television during
>>   the next presidential debate and watch how leafy they get."
>>                                                  -- Scott Adams- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>In certain games, the odds do not favor the house. Everyone with an IQ
>greater than 80 knows this. I'm sorry for you.

Please name these games. Obviously poker would be one, but the house
doesn't play poker. It just collects a share for making room for the
game.

Re: Road Conditions LA to Vegas?

Free Lunch wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 18:24:36 -0700 (PDT), Jason Pawloski
> <jpawloski@gmail . com > wrote:
>
>> On May 15, 6:19 pm, The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail . com > wrote:
>>> Jason Pawloski wrote:
>>>> On May 14, 7:02 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...@yahoo . com > wrote:
>>>>> John B." <j...@computac . com > wrote:
>>>>>> Uhm, you don't play the slots - do you Scott?? I figure you as more of a
>>>>>> Blackjack or Poker guy.
>>>>> LOL! I don't waste my money on gambling - the odds always favor the
>>>>> house.
>>>>> I'd be going for a different purpose (and no, it's not hookers,
>>>>> either! :)
>>>> It's always amusing to see how ignorant some people really are with
>>>> respect to gambling. But they always offer their opinion. And it's
>>>> almost always wrong.
>>> So the odds DON'T favor the house on your planet?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers, Bev
>>> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>>> "Tip: Place your houseplants in front of the television during
>>> the next presidential debate and watch how leafy they get."
>>> -- Scott Adams- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> In certain games, the odds do not favor the house. Everyone with an IQ
>> greater than 80 knows this. I'm sorry for you.
>
> Please name these games. Obviously poker would be one, but the house
> doesn't play poker. It just collects a share for making room for the
> game.

If you are good you can tip the odds slightly in your favor with
blackjack. I'm not that good, nor or most people. So for the most part
the odds remain with the house.

Take care,
Rich

God bless the USA

--
Pat Paulsen (1927-1997) for President - 2008

Even though he's dead it makes about much sense
to vote for him as it does for the choices
that we have who are living. At least he's not
going change his position on anything.

Re: Road Conditions LA to Vegas?

On May 15, 7:25 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 18:24:36 -0700 (PDT), Jason Pawloski
>
>
>
>
>
> <jpawlo...@gmail . com > wrote:
> >On May 15, 6:19 pm, The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail . com > wrote:
> >> Jason Pawloski wrote:
> >> > On May 14, 7:02 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> >> >> John B." <j...@computac . com > wrote:
>
> >> >> >Uhm, you don't play the slots - do you Scott??  I figure you as m=
ore of a
> >> >> >Blackjack or Poker guy.  
>
> >> >> LOL! I don't waste my money on gambling - the odds always favor the
> >> >> house.
>
> >> >> I'd be going for a different purpose (and no, it's not hookers,
> >> >> either! :)
>
> >> > It's always amusing to see how ignorant some people really are with
> >> > respect to gambling. But they always offer their opinion. And it's
> >> > almost always wrong.
>
> >> So the odds DON'T favor the house on your planet?
>
> >> --
> >> Cheers, Bev
> >> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> >> "Tip: Place your houseplants in front of the television during
> >>   the next presidential debate and watch how leafy they get."
> >>                                    =
             -- Scott Adams- Hide quoted text -
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> >> - Show quoted text -
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> >In certain games, the odds do not favor the house. Everyone with an IQ
> >greater than 80 knows this. I'm sorry for you.
>
> Please name these games. Obviously poker would be one, but the house
> doesn't play poker. It just collects a share for making room for the
> game.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Video poker is most common (full pay deuces wild, full pay double
double bonus, full pay double bonus, full pay kings or better joker
poker, full pay one eyed jacks [hardest game ever to play], and
probably many more i don't know. all progressive-enabled video poker
can become positive-expectation if the progressive runs high enough),
blackjack, live action poker, slots if the progressive gets large
enough (uncommon but it can be spotted with a bit of ingenuity),
certain slot machines which i can't speak to because i haven't fully
researched it, sports gambling (debatable), horse racing (debatable),
and craps (extremely heavily debatable - relies on control of the
dice. personally i think its bullshit).

Re: Road Conditions LA to Vegas?

On Thu, 15 May 2008 21:17:19 -0700 (PDT), Jason Pawloski
<jpawloski@gmail . com > wrote:

>On May 15, 7:25 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 May 2008 18:24:36 -0700 (PDT), Jason Pawloski
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <jpawlo...@gmail . com > wrote:
>> >On May 15, 6:19 pm, The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail . com > wrote:
>> >> Jason Pawloski wrote:
>> >> > On May 14, 7:02 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...@yahoo . com > wrote:
>> >> >> John B." <j...@computac . com > wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >Uhm, you don't play the slots - do you Scott??  I figure you as more of a
>> >> >> >Blackjack or Poker guy.  
>>
>> >> >> LOL! I don't waste my money on gambling - the odds always favor the
>> >> >> house.
>>
>> >> >> I'd be going for a different purpose (and no, it's not hookers,
>> >> >> either! :)
>>
>> >> > It's always amusing to see how ignorant some people really are with
>> >> > respect to gambling. But they always offer their opinion. And it's
>> >> > almost always wrong.
>>
>> >> So the odds DON'T favor the house on your planet?
>>
>> >> --
>> >> Cheers, Bev
>> >> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>> >> "Tip: Place your houseplants in front of the television during
>> >>   the next presidential debate and watch how leafy they get."
>> >>                                                  -- Scott Adams- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >In certain games, the odds do not favor the house. Everyone with an IQ
>> >greater than 80 knows this. I'm sorry for you.
>>
>> Please name these games. Obviously poker would be one, but the house
>> doesn't play poker. It just collects a share for making room for the
>> game.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Video poker is most common (full pay deuces wild, full pay double
>double bonus, full pay double bonus, full pay kings or better joker
>poker, full pay one eyed jacks [hardest game ever to play], and
>probably many more i don't know. all progressive-enabled video poker
>can become positive-expectation if the progressive runs high enough),
>blackjack, live action poker, slots if the progressive gets large
>enough (uncommon but it can be spotted with a bit of ingenuity),
>certain slot machines which i can't speak to because i haven't fully
>researched it, sports gambling (debatable), horse racing (debatable),
>and craps (extremely heavily debatable - relies on control of the
>dice. personally i think its bullshit).


Video poker and other slots have a fixed total return that is positive
to the house, even if there is a particular point in time that there may
be a positive expectation of return for the player, same thing for
lotteries with progressive jackpots. Of course the lotteries in the US
still offer the worst expected return of any legal gambling in the
country.

The house always makes money on any parimutuel gambling, the only legal
kind there is in the US. Other sports gambling may have a loss for the
house on a particular game, but the house wins in the long run.

The odds are for the house in craps, even with honest dice.

Re: Road Conditions LA to Vegas?

On May 16, 4:43 am, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 21:17:19 -0700 (PDT), Jason Pawloski
>
>
>
>
>
> <jpawlo...@gmail . com > wrote:
> >On May 15, 7:25 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 15 May 2008 18:24:36 -0700 (PDT), Jason Pawloski
>
> >> <jpawlo...@gmail . com > wrote:
> >> >On May 15, 6:19 pm, The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail . com > wrote=
:
> >> >> Jason Pawloski wrote:
> >> >> > On May 14, 7:02 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...@yahoo . com > wrote=
:
> >> >> >> John B." <j...@computac . com > wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >Uhm, you don't play the slots - do you Scott??  I figure you a=
s more of a
> >> >> >> >Blackjack or Poker guy.  
>
> >> >> >> LOL! I don't waste my money on gambling - the odds always favor t=
he
> >> >> >> house.
>
> >> >> >> I'd be going for a different purpose (and no, it's not hookers,
> >> >> >> either! :)
>
> >> >> > It's always amusing to see how ignorant some people really are wit=
h
> >> >> > respect to gambling. But they always offer their opinion. And it's=

> >> >> > almost always wrong.
>
> >> >> So the odds DON'T favor the house on your planet?
>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Cheers, Bev
> >> >> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> >> >> "Tip: Place your houseplants in front of the television during
> >> >>   the next presidential debate and watch how leafy they get."
> >> >>                                   =
               -- Scott Adams- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> >In certain games, the odds do not favor the house. Everyone with an IQ=

> >> >greater than 80 knows this. I'm sorry for you.
>
> >> Please name these games. Obviously poker would be one, but the house
> >> doesn't play poker. It just collects a share for making room for the
> >> game.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >Video poker is most common (full pay deuces wild, full pay double
> >double bonus, full pay double bonus, full pay kings or better joker
> >poker, full pay one eyed jacks [hardest game ever to play], and
> >probably many more i don't know. all progressive-enabled video poker
> >can become positive-expectation if the progressive runs high enough),
> >blackjack, live action poker, slots if the progressive gets large
> >enough (uncommon but it can be spotted with a bit of ingenuity),
> >certain slot machines which i can't speak to because i haven't fully
> >researched it, sports gambling (debatable), horse racing (debatable),
> >and craps (extremely heavily debatable - relies on control of the
> >dice. personally i think its bullshit).
>
> Video poker and other slots have a fixed total return that is positive
> to the house,

Incorrect. Read what I wrote. Double Double Bonus without a
progressive has a 100.2% payback. Full Pay Deuces Wild without a
progressive has a 100.7%. And so forth. The other games I've listed
all have a positive expectation and likely many more I left out
because I am unaware of them.

This is well-documented and googlable.

>
> The house always makes money on any parimutuel gambling, the only legal
> kind there is in the US. Other sports gambling may have a loss for the
> house on a particular game, but the house wins in the long run.

Sports gambling can be won with judicious choices of teams or prop
bets. Whether it can be won in the long run is debatable, but I
believe it can.

>
> The odds are for the house in craps, even with honest dice.

The theory behind beating craps is the use of dice control. Some
people swear by it, a lot of people are skeptical. Like I said above,
I fall into the latter category.

Re: Road Conditions LA to Vegas?

On Thu, 15 May 2008 18:11:50 -0700 (PDT), Jason Pawloski
<jpawloski@gmail . com > wrote:

>On May 14, 7:02 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...@yahoo . com > wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 11:27:56 -0400, "John B." <j...@computac . com >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Uhm, you don't play the slots - do you Scott??  I figure you as more of a
>> >Blackjack or Poker guy.  
>>
>> LOL! I don't waste my money on gambling - the odds always favor the
>> house.
>>
>> I'd be going for a different purpose (and no, it's not hookers,
>> either! :)
>> --
>> "Dave's not here, man!"
>>   - Tommy Chong
>
>It's always amusing to see how ignorant some people really are with
>respect to gambling. But they always offer their opinion. And it's
>almost always wrong.

Has anyone ever told you that you're a jackass?
--
"Dave's not here, man!"
- Tommy Chong

Re: Road Conditions LA to Vegas?

On May 15, 8:22 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 18:11:50 -0700 (PDT), Jason Pawloski
>
>
>
>
>
> <jpawlo...@gmail . com > wrote:
> >On May 14, 7:02 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> >> On Wed, 14 May 2008 11:27:56 -0400, "John B." <j...@computac . com >
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >Uhm, you don't play the slots - do you Scott??  I figure you as more=
of a
> >> >Blackjack or Poker guy.  
>
> >> LOL! I don't waste my money on gambling - the odds always favor the
> >> house.
>
> >> I'd be going for a different purpose (and no, it's not hookers,
> >> either! :)
> >> --
> >> "Dave's not here, man!"
> >>   - Tommy Chong
>
> >It's always amusing to see how ignorant some people really are with
> >respect to gambling. But they always offer their opinion. And it's
> >almost always wrong.
>
> Has anyone ever told you that you're a jackass?
> --
> "Dave's not here, man!"
>   - Tommy Chong- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Maybe once or twice. But that's IT.

Re: Road Conditions LA to Vegas?

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On 2008-05-14, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan@yahoo . com > wrote:
> I'm contemplating a road trip from SoCal to Vegas this weekend.
> However, I know there's been a lot of road construction on the 15; how
> are the traffic conditioons these days? Anything I should watch out
> for?

Nothing here in the Victor Valley. I don't know about further north.

* cad.chp.ca.gov/

* caltrans8.info/

* thehighwaystations . com /

should have some useful info. On the CHP website, check the reports
for Barstow and San Bernardino.

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