Planes That Sit on Tarmac

I haven't really followed the Jet Blue situation where the plane sat on the
tarmac for hours. Can someone give me a quick summary? Basically, I'm
curious as to why couldn't the plane taxi back to the gate: snow on the
ground, a new plane in the way so no gates available? If so, why not move
steps to the plane and have people walk out of the plane and back to the
terminal: insurance liability?

On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:20:00 -0700, "Alan" <alanb_lano2spam@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I haven't really followed the Jet Blue situation where the plane sat on the
>tarmac for hours. Can someone give me a quick summary? Basically, I'm
>curious as to why couldn't the plane taxi back to the gate: snow on the
>ground, a new plane in the way so no gates available? If so, why not move
>steps to the plane and have people walk out of the plane and back to the
>terminal: insurance liability?
>

SO "you haven't really been following the Jet Blue situation".

Where the f**k have you been?

Hiding in a cave?

It was thoroughly covered by newspapers, TV, and bloggers.

You should Google the subject yourself and read about it.

Don't expect us to do the work for you.

"John" <z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:20:00 -0700, "Alan" <alanb_lano2spam@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>I haven't really followed the Jet Blue situation where the plane sat on
>>the
>>tarmac for hours. Can someone give me a quick summary? Basically, I'm
>>curious as to why couldn't the plane taxi back to the gate: snow on the
>>ground, a new plane in the way so no gates available? If so, why not move
>>steps to the plane and have people walk out of the plane and back to the
>>terminal: insurance liability?
>>
>
> SO "you haven't really been following the Jet Blue situation".
>
> Where the f**k have you been?
>
> Hiding in a cave?
>
> It was thoroughly covered by newspapers, TV, and bloggers.
>
> You should Google the subject yourself and read about it.
>
> Don't expect us to do the work for you.

While your point is well-taken, methinks you could have answered the
question in less time that it took you to take me to task.

On Mar 16, 2:46 pm, John <z23456789987654...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:20:00 -0700, "Alan" <alanb_lano2s...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I haven't really followed the Jet Blue situation where the plane sat on the
> >tarmac for hours. Can someone give me a quick summary? Basically, I'm
> >curious as to why couldn't the plane taxi back to the gate: snow on the
> >ground, a new plane in the way so no gates available? If so, why not move
> >steps to the plane and have people walk out of the plane and back to the
> >terminal: insurance liability?
>
> SO "you haven't really been following the Jet Blue situation".
>
> Where the f**k have you been?
>
> Hiding in a cave?
>
> It was thoroughly covered by newspapers, TV, and bloggers.
>
> You should Google the subject yourself and read about it.
>
> Don't expect us to do the work for you.

I am curious about the episode too not at all informed about current
event.

yaofeng aka the caveman

Per John:
>It was thoroughly covered by newspapers, TV, and bloggers.

I must have missed it too because I don't recall reading or hearing a reason why
people can't be de-planed via a portable gate.

Specifically in the Jet Blue situation I understood that they were out of
resources and their size had outstripped their communications infrastructure...

But I still don't have a handle on the generic question of why people can be
held against their will in an aircraft that's 3 hours behind schedule and is
still on the ground.

Baggage control, I can understand - if not agree with - the system doesn't want
to release passengers from their control and have said passengers' baggage kept
on the plane. But why the passengers cannot be moved to some holding area
seems tb another question...
--
PeteCresswell

Would someone please identify an airport where the product "Tarmac" is used
to park commercial airliners?

"Newby" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> Would someone please identify an airport where the product "Tarmac" is
> used
> to park commercial airliners?

Tough crowd. Did I use the wrong word? If so, please help me out.

On Mar 16, 4:58 pm, "Alan" <alanb_lano2s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Newby" <nob...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>
> news:12vlvmsd4mt4uf8@corp.supernews.com...
>
> > Would someone please identify an airport where the product "Tarmac" is
> > used
> > to park commercial airliners?
>
> Tough crowd. Did I use the wrong word? If so, please help me out.

Nah.. Just the usual usenet gathering where anyone can hurl whatever
he wants at anyone and everyone else.

"yaofeng" <yaofengchen@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 16, 4:58 pm, "Alan" <alanb_lano2s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Newby" <nob...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> >
> > news:12vlvmsd4mt4uf8@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > > Would someone please identify an airport where the product "Tarmac" is
> > > used
> > > to park commercial airliners?
> >
> > Tough crowd. Did I use the wrong word? If so, please help me out.
>
> Nah.. Just the usual usenet gathering where anyone can hurl whatever
> he wants at anyone and everyone else.
>

The talking heads on TV all say Tarmac...and they are wrong. Some
dictionaries identify tarmac as a place to park airplanes. Tarmac is a
product and at one time was used at airports. I doubt Tarmac would support
a commercial airliner...especially in hot weather. And don't believe you
would want one of those rocks from the mixture sucked into a jet engine.
Landed a small plane in South Carolina several years ago and there was a
gravel driveway next to the ramp where I parked the airplane. The prop
picked up a rock and took out a chunk of propellor as big as my thumb.
Don't know why it's called a ramp but that's where the airplanes are loaded
and are parked.

No problem with your use of the word, I knew what you meant. Just thought I
would jump in here and vent a pet peeve.

Tarmac is a word kind of like Formica and Xerox.

Y'all have a great day.

"Newby" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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>
> "yaofeng" <yaofengchen@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1174080009.645949.322420@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Mar 16, 4:58 pm, "Alan" <alanb_lano2s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > "Newby" <nob...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>> >
>> > news:12vlvmsd4mt4uf8@corp.supernews.com...
>> >
>> > > Would someone please identify an airport where the product "Tarmac"
>> > > is
>> > > used
>> > > to park commercial airliners?
>> >
>> > Tough crowd. Did I use the wrong word? If so, please help me out.
>>
>> Nah.. Just the usual usenet gathering where anyone can hurl whatever
>> he wants at anyone and everyone else.
>>
>
> The talking heads on TV all say Tarmac...and they are wrong. Some
> dictionaries identify tarmac as a place to park airplanes. Tarmac is a
> product and at one time was used at airports. I doubt Tarmac would
> support
> a commercial airliner...especially in hot weather. And don't believe you
> would want one of those rocks from the mixture sucked into a jet engine.
> Landed a small plane in South Carolina several years ago and there was a
> gravel driveway next to the ramp where I parked the airplane. The prop
> picked up a rock and took out a chunk of propellor as big as my thumb.
> Don't know why it's called a ramp but that's where the airplanes are
> loaded
> and are parked.
>
> No problem with your use of the word, I knew what you meant. Just thought
> I
> would jump in here and vent a pet peeve.
>
> Tarmac is a word kind of like Formica and Xerox.
>
> Y'all have a great day.

As I sit here wiping the coke off my face with a kleenex, I may have to walk
across the linoleum for some milk of magnesia or an aspirin since I'm not
sure I'm clear on the proper terminology. Is "ramp" what you feel we should
be saying in place of tarmac?

"Alan" <alanb_lano2spam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Newby" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:12vm71u9atk8m1f@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "yaofeng" <yaofengchen@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1174080009.645949.322420@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Mar 16, 4:58 pm, "Alan" <alanb_lano2s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > "Newby" <nob...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> >> >
> >> > news:12vlvmsd4mt4uf8@corp.supernews.com...
> >> >
> >> > > Would someone please identify an airport where the product "Tarmac"
> >> > > is
> >> > > used
> >> > > to park commercial airliners?
> >> >
> >> > Tough crowd. Did I use the wrong word? If so, please help me out.
> >>
> >> Nah.. Just the usual usenet gathering where anyone can hurl whatever
> >> he wants at anyone and everyone else.
> >>
> >
> > The talking heads on TV all say Tarmac...and they are wrong. Some
> > dictionaries identify tarmac as a place to park airplanes. Tarmac is a
> > product and at one time was used at airports. I doubt Tarmac would
> > support
> > a commercial airliner...especially in hot weather. And don't believe
you
> > would want one of those rocks from the mixture sucked into a jet engine.
> > Landed a small plane in South Carolina several years ago and there was a
> > gravel driveway next to the ramp where I parked the airplane. The prop
> > picked up a rock and took out a chunk of propellor as big as my thumb.
> > Don't know why it's called a ramp but that's where the airplanes are
> > loaded
> > and are parked.
> >
> > No problem with your use of the word, I knew what you meant. Just
thought
> > I
> > would jump in here and vent a pet peeve.
> >
> > Tarmac is a word kind of like Formica and Xerox.
> >
> > Y'all have a great day.
>
> As I sit here wiping the coke off my face with a kleenex, I may have to
walk
> across the linoleum for some milk of magnesia or an aspirin since I'm not
> sure I'm clear on the proper terminology. Is "ramp" what you feel we
should
> be saying in place of tarmac?
>
>

You got it down purty good.

Ramp is the proper term. If you use tarmac, you'll be right at home with
those talking heads. Next time you go to a commercial airport, look for
some tarmac out where the big planes park (you won't see any) ; tarmac, an
amalgam of crushed rock and tar. Big planes park on concrete.

That airport in South Carolina had the biggest bumble bees I've ever seen.
They were near 'bouts big as sparrows. Glad I got away from there without
one of those critters getting into the cockpit. Mighta been one of them
that I hit and took a chunk out of the prop.

Hope you didn't make too much mess when you spewed.

"Newby" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:

> Big planes park on concrete.

Now you're gettin into engineering terminology. What they park on is
Portland cement concrete.

The other type, often used to pave roads is called asphalt concrete.

You need to be specific.

"James Robinson" <wascana@212.com> wrote in message
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> "Newby" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
> > Big planes park on concrete.
>
> Now you're gettin into engineering terminology. What they park on is
> Portland cement concrete.
>
> The other type, often used to pave roads is called asphalt concrete.
>
> You need to be specific.

Another good day...I learned something I didn't know when I got up this
morning.

Thanks!

James Robinson wrote:

> "Newby" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Big planes park on concrete.
>
>
> Now you're gettin into engineering terminology. What they park on is
> Portland cement concrete.

What do they use at airports other than PDX?

"Newby" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote

> "Alan" <alanb_lano2spam@yahoo.com> wrote ...
>>
>>
>> As I sit here wiping the coke off my face with a kleenex, I may have to
> walk
>> across the linoleum for some milk of magnesia or an aspirin since I'm not
>> sure I'm clear on the proper terminology. Is "ramp" what you feel we
> should
>> be saying in place of tarmac?
>>
>>
>
> You got it down purty good.
>
> Ramp is the proper term. If you use tarmac, you'll be right at home with
> those talking heads. Next time you go to a commercial airport, look for
> some tarmac out where the big planes park (you won't see any) ; tarmac, an
> amalgam of crushed rock and tar. Big planes park on concrete.
>

Tarmac is an inheritance from WWII, when non-grassed aircraft
disbursement/parking areas in the UK were referred to a tarmac, presumably
lifted from the name of Mr. MacAdam's crushed aggregate mixed with hot
petroleum/coal tar. Anglocentric as many USAians are, we shipped the word
transpondia for occasional use.

"Ramp" is equally stolen, originally (when aviation was in its
birthing/weaning era, and seaplanes were near as numerous as landplanes),
and the "ramp" was the sloping paved area up and down which a/c were moved
to an from the water.

Up until recently and maybe still, LaGuardia actually had some "ramps".
From distant childhood, San Diego's airport (with a seaplane factory on
site) actually had ramps that led across the adjacent street down to the
bay, requiring traffic to stop for seaplanes.

Many smaller airports have both runways and "ramps" which are "asphalt",
compounded tars laid over rolled aggregate and/or sand. One in the South or
Southwest may still occasionally see an "oiltopped" runway, sand topped with
a spray of "Bunker crude". EPA and other controls have eliminated
oiltopped" roads, once very common. Gone are oyster shell runways in the
US, along with oyster shell parking lots for concrete block saloons
w/flypaper.

TMO