London Heathrow - getting from terminal 4 to terminal 1?

How far is it from terminal 4 to terminal 1 (by distance and time)?
Walking distance? Is there a free shuttle? Can I take the "Heathrow
Express" train between terminals for free - or the Underground?

Thanks for any info you can give me.

On Mar 30, 12:51 pm, markfin...@hotmail.com wrote:
> How far is it from terminal 4 to terminal 1 (by distance and time)?
> Walking distance? Is there a free shuttle? Can I take the "Heathrow
> Express" train between terminals for free - or the Underground?
>
> Thanks for any info you can give me.

I think I found all my answers simply by looking a couple of dozen
threads below this one.
But one more question: are flights from Heathrow to Ireland (not
Northern Ireland) considered "domestic" - what are the customs
procedures when in transit at Heathrow between North America and
Ireland?

Thanks.

On 30 Mar 2007 10:16:51 -0700 'markfinn_0@hotmail.com'
posted this onto rec.travel.air:

>On Mar 30, 12:51 pm, markfin...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> How far is it from terminal 4 to terminal 1 (by distance and time)?
>> Walking distance? Is there a free shuttle? Can I take the "Heathrow
>> Express" train between terminals for free - or the Underground?
>>
>> Thanks for any info you can give me.
>
>I think I found all my answers simply by looking a couple of dozen
>threads below this one.
>But one more question: are flights from Heathrow to Ireland (not
>Northern Ireland) considered "domestic"

Not afaik.
But at Heathrow the flights are not split between terminals only on
the basis of domestic or international but also based upon airlines
and anything else which comes into their minds.
eg - flying from LHR to Hong Kong on BA, you leave from T1.
Most other BA flights go from T4. Some Emirates flights to Dubai
go from T1 etc etc.

There are general guidelines but numerous exceptions to them.


>- what are the customs
>procedures when in transit at Heathrow between North America and
>Ireland?

I've no idea ...I've never been to Ireland thanks!

<markfinn_0@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1175275011.128169.312270@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 30, 12:51 pm, markfin...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> How far is it from terminal 4 to terminal 1 (by distance and time)?
>> Walking distance? Is there a free shuttle? Can I take the "Heathrow
>> Express" train between terminals for free - or the Underground?
>>
>> Thanks for any info you can give me.
>
> I think I found all my answers simply by looking a couple of dozen
> threads below this one.
> But one more question: are flights from Heathrow to Ireland (not
> Northern Ireland) considered "domestic" - what are the customs
> procedures when in transit at Heathrow between North America and
> Ireland?

I assume that you are on a through ticket and that any baggage is checked
through to your final destination. Your Flights from Heathrow to the
Republic of Ireland are Domestic and you will need to go to Terminal 1
Domestic. You and your hand luggage will go through Immigration/Customs at
the Heathrow flight connection centre and your checked luggage will go
through Customs at your Irish Destination. That Customs check is usually
cursory or non-existent.

JohnT

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:31:27 +0100 'JohnT'
posted this onto rec.travel.air:

><markfinn_0@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1175275011.128169.312270@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Mar 30, 12:51 pm, markfin...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> How far is it from terminal 4 to terminal 1 (by distance and time)?
>>> Walking distance? Is there a free shuttle? Can I take the "Heathrow
>>> Express" train between terminals for free - or the Underground?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any info you can give me.
>>
>> I think I found all my answers simply by looking a couple of dozen
>> threads below this one.
>> But one more question: are flights from Heathrow to Ireland (not
>> Northern Ireland) considered "domestic" - what are the customs
>> procedures when in transit at Heathrow between North America and
>> Ireland?
>
>I assume that you are on a through ticket and that any baggage is checked
>through to your final destination. Your Flights from Heathrow to the
>Republic of Ireland are Domestic

Are you sure about that? The OP is not referring to NI.
I dunno ...just asking.
If Ireland is domestic, what does that make other EU members?


>and you will need to go to Terminal 1
>Domestic. You and your hand luggage will go through Immigration/Customs at
>the Heathrow flight connection centre and your checked luggage will go
>through Customs at your Irish Destination. That Customs check is usually
>cursory or non-existent.
>
>JohnT

"hummingbird" <RHBIYDTNPPAX@spammotel.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:31:27 +0100 'JohnT'
> posted this onto rec.travel.air:
>
>><markfinn_0@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1175275011.128169.312270@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Mar 30, 12:51 pm, markfin...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> How far is it from terminal 4 to terminal 1 (by distance and time)?
>>>> Walking distance? Is there a free shuttle? Can I take the "Heathrow
>>>> Express" train between terminals for free - or the Underground?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any info you can give me.
>>>
>>> I think I found all my answers simply by looking a couple of dozen
>>> threads below this one.
>>> But one more question: are flights from Heathrow to Ireland (not
>>> Northern Ireland) considered "domestic" - what are the customs
>>> procedures when in transit at Heathrow between North America and
>>> Ireland?
>>
>>I assume that you are on a through ticket and that any baggage is checked
>>through to your final destination. Your Flights from Heathrow to the
>>Republic of Ireland are Domestic
>
> Are you sure about that? The OP is not referring to NI.
> I dunno ...just asking.
> If Ireland is domestic, what does that make other EU members?

I am totally sure about that. There are no Passport controls between UK and
Ireland. Other EU members are either Schengen or not Schengen. For a
definitive answer about that you should read the Treaty of Rome and all of
the legislation which flows from it.

JohnT

On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 08:41:02 +0100 'JohnT'
posted this onto rec.travel.air:

>
>"hummingbird" <RHBIYDTNPPAX@spammotel.com> wrote in message
>news:7v2s03du74qtdnc93jlhnau1koa97s1qf5@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:31:27 +0100 'JohnT'
>> posted this onto rec.travel.air:
>>
>>><markfinn_0@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1175275011.128169.312270@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Mar 30, 12:51 pm, markfin...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> How far is it from terminal 4 to terminal 1 (by distance and time)?
>>>>> Walking distance? Is there a free shuttle? Can I take the "Heathrow
>>>>> Express" train between terminals for free - or the Underground?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any info you can give me.
>>>>
>>>> I think I found all my answers simply by looking a couple of dozen
>>>> threads below this one.
>>>> But one more question: are flights from Heathrow to Ireland (not
>>>> Northern Ireland) considered "domestic" - what are the customs
>>>> procedures when in transit at Heathrow between North America and
>>>> Ireland?
>>>
>>>I assume that you are on a through ticket and that any baggage is checked
>>>through to your final destination. Your Flights from Heathrow to the
>>>Republic of Ireland are Domestic
>>
>> Are you sure about that? The OP is not referring to NI.
>> I dunno ...just asking.
>> If Ireland is domestic, what does that make other EU members?
>
>I am totally sure about that. There are no Passport controls between UK and
>Ireland. Other EU members are either Schengen or not Schengen. For a
>definitive answer about that you should read the Treaty of Rome and all of
>the legislation which flows from it.

Thanks, I didn't know that but I'm not sure where Schengen comes
into it. Passports are still required for visitors between the UK and
Schengen states afaik.

I think I'll give the ToR a miss for now... ;-)

hummingbird wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 08:41:02 +0100 'JohnT'
> posted this onto rec.travel.air:
>
>> "hummingbird" <RHBIYDTNPPAX@spammotel.com> wrote in message
>> news:7v2s03du74qtdnc93jlhnau1koa97s1qf5@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:31:27 +0100 'JohnT'
>>> posted this onto rec.travel.air:
>>>
>>>> <markfinn_0@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1175275011.128169.312270@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Mar 30, 12:51 pm, markfin...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> How far is it from terminal 4 to terminal 1 (by distance and time)?
>>>>>> Walking distance? Is there a free shuttle? Can I take the "Heathrow
>>>>>> Express" train between terminals for free - or the Underground?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for any info you can give me.
>>>>> I think I found all my answers simply by looking a couple of dozen
>>>>> threads below this one.
>>>>> But one more question: are flights from Heathrow to Ireland (not
>>>>> Northern Ireland) considered "domestic" - what are the customs
>>>>> procedures when in transit at Heathrow between North America and
>>>>> Ireland?
>>>> I assume that you are on a through ticket and that any baggage is checked
>>>> through to your final destination. Your Flights from Heathrow to the
>>>> Republic of Ireland are Domestic
>>> Are you sure about that? The OP is not referring to NI.
>>> I dunno ...just asking.
>>> If Ireland is domestic, what does that make other EU members?
>> I am totally sure about that. There are no Passport controls between UK and
>> Ireland. Other EU members are either Schengen or not Schengen. For a
>> definitive answer about that you should read the Treaty of Rome and all of
>> the legislation which flows from it.
>
> Thanks, I didn't know that but I'm not sure where Schengen comes
> into it.

Between the UK and Eire (and the various British Crown Dependencies -
the Isle of Man and the Bailiwicks of Guernsey and Jersey, which are not
members of the EU), Schengen doesn't come into it at all. It's an
entirely separate arrangement that predates the EU.

--

Stephen

Mr. James: Be careful, Beth, because the stock market can be a cruel
mistress.
Beth: Well, so can I, but that's not how I want to make my money any more.

hummingbird wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:31:27 +0100 'JohnT'
> posted this onto rec.travel.air:
>
>> <markfinn_0@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1175275011.128169.312270@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Mar 30, 12:51 pm, markfin...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> How far is it from terminal 4 to terminal 1 (by distance and time)?
>>>> Walking distance? Is there a free shuttle? Can I take the "Heathrow
>>>> Express" train between terminals for free - or the Underground?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any info you can give me.
>>> I think I found all my answers simply by looking a couple of dozen
>>> threads below this one.
>>> But one more question: are flights from Heathrow to Ireland (not
>>> Northern Ireland) considered "domestic" - what are the customs
>>> procedures when in transit at Heathrow between North America and
>>> Ireland?
>> I assume that you are on a through ticket and that any baggage is checked
>> through to your final destination. Your Flights from Heathrow to the
>> Republic of Ireland are Domestic
>
> Are you sure about that? The OP is not referring to NI.
> I dunno ...just asking.

There's a common travel area encompassing the UK and Eire (and the Isle
of Man and the Channel Islands, which are not part of the UK), so there
are no passport controls on flights to Eire from the UK. It's an
arrangement that has nothing to do with Schengen.


--

Stephen

Excuse me, do you mind not farting while I'm saving the world?

On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 10:30:55 +0100 'Stephen Farrow'
posted this onto rec.travel.air:

>hummingbird wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:31:27 +0100 'JohnT'
>> posted this onto rec.travel.air:
>>
>>> <markfinn_0@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1175275011.128169.312270@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Mar 30, 12:51 pm, markfin...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> How far is it from terminal 4 to terminal 1 (by distance and time)?
>>>>> Walking distance? Is there a free shuttle? Can I take the "Heathrow
>>>>> Express" train between terminals for free - or the Underground?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any info you can give me.
>>>> I think I found all my answers simply by looking a couple of dozen
>>>> threads below this one.
>>>> But one more question: are flights from Heathrow to Ireland (not
>>>> Northern Ireland) considered "domestic" - what are the customs
>>>> procedures when in transit at Heathrow between North America and
>>>> Ireland?
>>> I assume that you are on a through ticket and that any baggage is checked
>>> through to your final destination. Your Flights from Heathrow to the
>>> Republic of Ireland are Domestic
>>
>> Are you sure about that? The OP is not referring to NI.
>> I dunno ...just asking.
>
>There's a common travel area encompassing the UK and Eire (and the Isle
>of Man and the Channel Islands, which are not part of the UK), so there
>are no passport controls on flights to Eire from the UK. It's an
>arrangement that has nothing to do with Schengen.

Thanks, that's interesting to know.

>How far is it from terminal 4 to terminal 1 (by distance and time)?
>Walking distance?

Much too far to walk. An underground walkway connects T1, T2, and T3,
but not T4.

> Is there a free shuttle?

There are airside connecting buses, which you should use if you're
connecting to another flight.

> Can I take the "Heathrow
>Express" train between terminals for free - or the Underground?

You can take the Heathrow Express for free to the T1-T3 station,
then walk underground to T1, but the airside connecting bus will
probably be faster.