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On Mar 16, 1:53 am, Mike Hunt <postmaster@localhost> wrote:
> Randy Hudson wrote:
> > In article <1173915532.570112.255...@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups . com >,
> > yaofeng <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> >>Your argument is so far fetch it is not even funny. Are you saying
> >>you can board a plane without a valid ID nowadays?
>
> > Yes. On different occasions, my daughter, my GF, and I have each done that,
> > all in domestic US travel.
>
> Yes, but my point was that even with the ID checkpoint before TSA
> screening, you can present an ID that matches a boarding pass and it is
> possible that either the ID or BP is fake since they are not validated
> at that point. You could then board the plane using a real BP as you do
> not need to present ID to get a real BP.
Sounds good in theory. Has it been done? Had you tried, you'll
probably be in Guantanamo Bay right now.
> Randy Hudson wrote:
> > In article <1173915532.570112.255...@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups . com >,
> > yaofeng <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> >>Your argument is so far fetch it is not even funny. Are you saying
> >>you can board a plane without a valid ID nowadays?
>
> > Yes. On different occasions, my daughter, my GF, and I have each done that,
> > all in domestic US travel.
>
> Yes, but my point was that even with the ID checkpoint before TSA
> screening, you can present an ID that matches a boarding pass and it is
> possible that either the ID or BP is fake since they are not validated
> at that point. You could then board the plane using a real BP as you do
> not need to present ID to get a real BP.
Sounds good in theory. Has it been done? Had you tried, you'll
probably be in Guantanamo Bay right now.
On Mar 16, 8:39 am, "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
> On Mar 16, 1:53 am, Mike Hunt <postmaster@localhost> wrote:
>
> > Randy Hudson wrote:
> > > In article <1173915532.570112.255...@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups . com >,
> > > yaofeng <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> > >>Your argument is so far fetch it is not even funny. Are you saying
> > >>you can board a plane without a valid ID nowadays?
>
> > > Yes. On different occasions, my daughter, my GF, and I have each done that,
> > > all in domestic US travel.
>
> > Yes, but my point was that even with the ID checkpoint before TSA
> > screening, you can present an ID that matches a boarding pass and it is
> > possible that either the ID or BP is fake since they are not validated
> > at that point. You could then board the plane using a real BP as you do
> > not need to present ID to get a real BP.
>
> Sounds good in theory. Has it been done? Had you tried, you'll
> probably be in Guantanamo Bay right now.
Remember, you'd be talking about someone who is willing to take
pretty high risks, so the simplicity of doing this would make it
inviting.
What Mr. Hunt is saying is correct, the ID check at the TSA
screening point is a half measure at best. There is no check to
see if the boarding pass is valid. There is no check to see if the
ID is valid (oh, some cursory stuff, but nothing that one couldn't
easily fake). There is no check to see if the name on the ID
or BP is someone of which to be concerned. There is no check
to see if the ID belongs to the person other than the photo
comparison. The ID/BP check at the check point is relatively
pointless, and is used mostly just to limit the numbers of people
trying to pass through security.
As I've said before, if you are waiting until a person shows up
at the airport to try to decide if they are a "person of interest"
you have waited way too long. And if you are hoping that the
person checking ID's (who is rarely TSA) or the counter
agent who is issueing BP's is going to be highly diligent,
you're dreaming. The agent does what the computer tells
them they have to do. The ID checkers are looking at
exactly 3 things, none of which enhance security.
> On Mar 16, 1:53 am, Mike Hunt <postmaster@localhost> wrote:
>
> > Randy Hudson wrote:
> > > In article <1173915532.570112.255...@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups . com >,
> > > yaofeng <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> > >>Your argument is so far fetch it is not even funny. Are you saying
> > >>you can board a plane without a valid ID nowadays?
>
> > > Yes. On different occasions, my daughter, my GF, and I have each done that,
> > > all in domestic US travel.
>
> > Yes, but my point was that even with the ID checkpoint before TSA
> > screening, you can present an ID that matches a boarding pass and it is
> > possible that either the ID or BP is fake since they are not validated
> > at that point. You could then board the plane using a real BP as you do
> > not need to present ID to get a real BP.
>
> Sounds good in theory. Has it been done? Had you tried, you'll
> probably be in Guantanamo Bay right now.
Remember, you'd be talking about someone who is willing to take
pretty high risks, so the simplicity of doing this would make it
inviting.
What Mr. Hunt is saying is correct, the ID check at the TSA
screening point is a half measure at best. There is no check to
see if the boarding pass is valid. There is no check to see if the
ID is valid (oh, some cursory stuff, but nothing that one couldn't
easily fake). There is no check to see if the name on the ID
or BP is someone of which to be concerned. There is no check
to see if the ID belongs to the person other than the photo
comparison. The ID/BP check at the check point is relatively
pointless, and is used mostly just to limit the numbers of people
trying to pass through security.
As I've said before, if you are waiting until a person shows up
at the airport to try to decide if they are a "person of interest"
you have waited way too long. And if you are hoping that the
person checking ID's (who is rarely TSA) or the counter
agent who is issueing BP's is going to be highly diligent,
you're dreaming. The agent does what the computer tells
them they have to do. The ID checkers are looking at
exactly 3 things, none of which enhance security.
On Mar 16, 8:52 am, "me" <oconn...@slr.orl.lmco . com > wrote:
> On Mar 16, 8:39 am, "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 16, 1:53 am, Mike Hunt <postmaster@localhost> wrote:
>
> > > Randy Hudson wrote:
> > > > In article <1173915532.570112.255...@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups . com >,
> > > > yaofeng <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> > > >>Your argument is so far fetch it is not even funny. Are you saying
> > > >>you can board a plane without a valid ID nowadays?
>
> > > > Yes. On different occasions, my daughter, my GF, and I have each done that,
> > > > all in domestic US travel.
>
> > > Yes, but my point was that even with the ID checkpoint before TSA
> > > screening, you can present an ID that matches a boarding pass and it is
> > > possible that either the ID or BP is fake since they are not validated
> > > at that point. You could then board the plane using a real BP as you do
> > > not need to present ID to get a real BP.
>
> > Sounds good in theory. Has it been done? Had you tried, you'll
> > probably be in Guantanamo Bay right now.
>
> Remember, you'd be talking about someone who is willing to take
> pretty high risks, so the simplicity of doing this would make it
> inviting.
> What Mr. Hunt is saying is correct, the ID check at the TSA
> screening point is a half measure at best. There is no check to
> see if the boarding pass is valid. There is no check to see if the
> ID is valid (oh, some cursory stuff, but nothing that one couldn't
> easily fake). There is no check to see if the name on the ID
> or BP is someone of which to be concerned. There is no check
> to see if the ID belongs to the person other than the photo
> comparison. The ID/BP check at the check point is relatively
> pointless, and is used mostly just to limit the numbers of people
> trying to pass through security.
>
> As I've said before, if you are waiting until a person shows up
> at the airport to try to decide if they are a "person of interest"
> you have waited way too long. And if you are hoping that the
> person checking ID's (who is rarely TSA) or the counter
> agent who is issueing BP's is going to be highly diligent,
> you're dreaming. The agent does what the computer tells
> them they have to do. The ID checkers are looking at
> exactly 3 things, none of which enhance security.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I agree the ID check at the TSA screening point is not strigent
enough. The person simply compares your BP with your photo ID and
sees if you are the person you say you are. So you'll have to
convince the airline couner agent with your fake ID to get your BP.
Either that or you produce a set of fake ID and a fake BP all by
yourself. Can it be done? In the movies probably.
Hunt said you can check in online or do self check-in without going to
the counter if you do not have a bag to check. I have never done
that. But in order to do that you would have established your
credentials with the airlines. Can they be faked? Maybe in the
movies again.
I don't believe you guys. You are a bunch of conspiracy theory
advocates. Do you know the hurdles you have to cross to get ID's
nowadays? You must have heard the 6 point program. Have you not?
But your premises are on the basis all the photo ID's can be easily
faked. I have nothing to say when you are subverting the first and
formost item on airport and travel security which is the document
identifying the traveler. I do not agree and I have not yet seen any
such incidents being reported.
Let's say there is an underground industry producing fake ID's which
allows you to go through airport check points unimpeded and the
authority still doesn't know. What about weapons and bombs? C'mon!
I want to hear what kind of wild imagination you can come up with. I
am game.
> On Mar 16, 8:39 am, "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 16, 1:53 am, Mike Hunt <postmaster@localhost> wrote:
>
> > > Randy Hudson wrote:
> > > > In article <1173915532.570112.255...@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups . com >,
> > > > yaofeng <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> > > >>Your argument is so far fetch it is not even funny. Are you saying
> > > >>you can board a plane without a valid ID nowadays?
>
> > > > Yes. On different occasions, my daughter, my GF, and I have each done that,
> > > > all in domestic US travel.
>
> > > Yes, but my point was that even with the ID checkpoint before TSA
> > > screening, you can present an ID that matches a boarding pass and it is
> > > possible that either the ID or BP is fake since they are not validated
> > > at that point. You could then board the plane using a real BP as you do
> > > not need to present ID to get a real BP.
>
> > Sounds good in theory. Has it been done? Had you tried, you'll
> > probably be in Guantanamo Bay right now.
>
> Remember, you'd be talking about someone who is willing to take
> pretty high risks, so the simplicity of doing this would make it
> inviting.
> What Mr. Hunt is saying is correct, the ID check at the TSA
> screening point is a half measure at best. There is no check to
> see if the boarding pass is valid. There is no check to see if the
> ID is valid (oh, some cursory stuff, but nothing that one couldn't
> easily fake). There is no check to see if the name on the ID
> or BP is someone of which to be concerned. There is no check
> to see if the ID belongs to the person other than the photo
> comparison. The ID/BP check at the check point is relatively
> pointless, and is used mostly just to limit the numbers of people
> trying to pass through security.
>
> As I've said before, if you are waiting until a person shows up
> at the airport to try to decide if they are a "person of interest"
> you have waited way too long. And if you are hoping that the
> person checking ID's (who is rarely TSA) or the counter
> agent who is issueing BP's is going to be highly diligent,
> you're dreaming. The agent does what the computer tells
> them they have to do. The ID checkers are looking at
> exactly 3 things, none of which enhance security.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I agree the ID check at the TSA screening point is not strigent
enough. The person simply compares your BP with your photo ID and
sees if you are the person you say you are. So you'll have to
convince the airline couner agent with your fake ID to get your BP.
Either that or you produce a set of fake ID and a fake BP all by
yourself. Can it be done? In the movies probably.
Hunt said you can check in online or do self check-in without going to
the counter if you do not have a bag to check. I have never done
that. But in order to do that you would have established your
credentials with the airlines. Can they be faked? Maybe in the
movies again.
I don't believe you guys. You are a bunch of conspiracy theory
advocates. Do you know the hurdles you have to cross to get ID's
nowadays? You must have heard the 6 point program. Have you not?
But your premises are on the basis all the photo ID's can be easily
faked. I have nothing to say when you are subverting the first and
formost item on airport and travel security which is the document
identifying the traveler. I do not agree and I have not yet seen any
such incidents being reported.
Let's say there is an underground industry producing fake ID's which
allows you to go through airport check points unimpeded and the
authority still doesn't know. What about weapons and bombs? C'mon!
I want to hear what kind of wild imagination you can come up with. I
am game.
In message <1174051267.890518.10870@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups . com >
"yaofeng" <yaofengchen@gmail . com > wrote:
>I agree the ID check at the TSA screening point is not strigent
>enough. The person simply compares your BP with your photo ID and
>sees if you are the person you say you are. So you'll have to
>convince the airline couner agent with your fake ID to get your BP.
>Either that or you produce a set of fake ID and a fake BP all by
>yourself. Can it be done? In the movies probably.
You don't need fake ID, just a fake boarding pass which matches your
REAL ID.
--
Insert something clever here.
"yaofeng" <yaofengchen@gmail . com > wrote:
>I agree the ID check at the TSA screening point is not strigent
>enough. The person simply compares your BP with your photo ID and
>sees if you are the person you say you are. So you'll have to
>convince the airline couner agent with your fake ID to get your BP.
>Either that or you produce a set of fake ID and a fake BP all by
>yourself. Can it be done? In the movies probably.
You don't need fake ID, just a fake boarding pass which matches your
REAL ID.
--
Insert something clever here.
On Mar 16, 10:33 am, DevilsPGD <spam_narf_s...@crazyhat . net > wrote:
> In message <1174051267.890518.10...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups . com >
>
> "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
> >I agree the ID check at the TSA screening point is not strigent
> >enough. The person simply compares your BP with your photo ID and
> >sees if you are the person you say you are. So you'll have to
> >convince the airline couner agent with your fake ID to get your BP.
> >Either that or you produce a set of fake ID and a fake BP all by
> >yourself. Can it be done? In the movies probably.
>
> You don't need fake ID, just a fake boarding pass which matches your
> REAL ID.
> --
> Insert something clever here.
I presume you can pick up a fake boarding pass that matches you real
ID like getting soft drinks from a vending machine?
> In message <1174051267.890518.10...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups . com >
>
> "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
> >I agree the ID check at the TSA screening point is not strigent
> >enough. The person simply compares your BP with your photo ID and
> >sees if you are the person you say you are. So you'll have to
> >convince the airline couner agent with your fake ID to get your BP.
> >Either that or you produce a set of fake ID and a fake BP all by
> >yourself. Can it be done? In the movies probably.
>
> You don't need fake ID, just a fake boarding pass which matches your
> REAL ID.
> --
> Insert something clever here.
I presume you can pick up a fake boarding pass that matches you real
ID like getting soft drinks from a vending machine?
On Mar 16, 11:49 am, "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
> On Mar 16, 10:33 am, DevilsPGD <spam_narf_s...@crazyhat . net > wrote:
>
> > In message <1174051267.890518.10...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups . com >
>
> > "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
> > >I agree the ID check at the TSA screening point is not strigent
> > >enough. The person simply compares your BP with your photo ID and
> > >sees if you are the person you say you are. So you'll have to
> > >convince the airline couner agent with your fake ID to get your BP.
They aren't particularly trained to detect fake ID's. Bouncers at
the
local night club are better trained.
> > >Either that or you produce a set of fake ID and a fake BP all by
> > >yourself. Can it be done? In the movies probably.
>
> > You don't need fake ID, just a fake boarding pass which matches your
> > REAL ID.
[snip]
>
> I presume you can pick up a fake boarding pass that matches you real
> ID like getting soft drinks from a vending machine?
The boarding pass printed on-line can be screen captured, saved
as an editable file, or otherwise munged by software which is either
cheap or free. It won't get you on a plane, because the bar code
has to match the flight you're trying to get on. But the name is
just so much text which can be altered.
> On Mar 16, 10:33 am, DevilsPGD <spam_narf_s...@crazyhat . net > wrote:
>
> > In message <1174051267.890518.10...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups . com >
>
> > "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
> > >I agree the ID check at the TSA screening point is not strigent
> > >enough. The person simply compares your BP with your photo ID and
> > >sees if you are the person you say you are. So you'll have to
> > >convince the airline couner agent with your fake ID to get your BP.
They aren't particularly trained to detect fake ID's. Bouncers at
the
local night club are better trained.
> > >Either that or you produce a set of fake ID and a fake BP all by
> > >yourself. Can it be done? In the movies probably.
>
> > You don't need fake ID, just a fake boarding pass which matches your
> > REAL ID.
[snip]
>
> I presume you can pick up a fake boarding pass that matches you real
> ID like getting soft drinks from a vending machine?
The boarding pass printed on-line can be screen captured, saved
as an editable file, or otherwise munged by software which is either
cheap or free. It won't get you on a plane, because the bar code
has to match the flight you're trying to get on. But the name is
just so much text which can be altered.
On Mar 16, 1:01 pm, "me" <oconn...@slr.orl.lmco . com > wrote:
> On Mar 16, 11:49 am, "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> > On Mar 16, 10:33 am, DevilsPGD <spam_narf_s...@crazyhat . net > wrote:
>
> > > In message <1174051267.890518.10...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups . com >
>
> > > "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
> > > >I agree the ID check at the TSA screening point is not strigent
> > > >enough. The person simply compares your BP with your photo ID and
> > > >sees if you are the person you say you are. So you'll have to
> > > >convince the airline couner agent with your fake ID to get your BP.
>
> They aren't particularly trained to detect fake ID's. Bouncers at
> the
> local night club are better trained.
>
>
>
> > > >Either that or you produce a set of fake ID and a fake BP all by
> > > >yourself. Can it be done? In the movies probably.
>
> > > You don't need fake ID, just a fake boarding pass which matches your
> > > REAL ID.
> [snip]
>
> > I presume you can pick up a fake boarding pass that matches you real
> > ID like getting soft drinks from a vending machine?
>
> The boarding pass printed on-line can be screen captured, saved
> as an editable file, or otherwise munged by software which is either
> cheap or free. It won't get you on a plane, because the bar code
> has to match the flight you're trying to get on. But the name is
> just so much text which can be altered.
Why would anyone use fake ID's or a fake BP to board a plane when they
cannot as much bring more than 6 oz of liquid on board, and for what?
You make it sound like producing fake ID or a fake BP is easy as using
a copy machine to print money. I'd like to see you or anyone else
try. It'll earn you a free trip to Guantanamo Bay real quick, one
way. At least you'll enjoy the tropical weather.
> On Mar 16, 11:49 am, "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> > On Mar 16, 10:33 am, DevilsPGD <spam_narf_s...@crazyhat . net > wrote:
>
> > > In message <1174051267.890518.10...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups . com >
>
> > > "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
> > > >I agree the ID check at the TSA screening point is not strigent
> > > >enough. The person simply compares your BP with your photo ID and
> > > >sees if you are the person you say you are. So you'll have to
> > > >convince the airline couner agent with your fake ID to get your BP.
>
> They aren't particularly trained to detect fake ID's. Bouncers at
> the
> local night club are better trained.
>
>
>
> > > >Either that or you produce a set of fake ID and a fake BP all by
> > > >yourself. Can it be done? In the movies probably.
>
> > > You don't need fake ID, just a fake boarding pass which matches your
> > > REAL ID.
> [snip]
>
> > I presume you can pick up a fake boarding pass that matches you real
> > ID like getting soft drinks from a vending machine?
>
> The boarding pass printed on-line can be screen captured, saved
> as an editable file, or otherwise munged by software which is either
> cheap or free. It won't get you on a plane, because the bar code
> has to match the flight you're trying to get on. But the name is
> just so much text which can be altered.
Why would anyone use fake ID's or a fake BP to board a plane when they
cannot as much bring more than 6 oz of liquid on board, and for what?
You make it sound like producing fake ID or a fake BP is easy as using
a copy machine to print money. I'd like to see you or anyone else
try. It'll earn you a free trip to Guantanamo Bay real quick, one
way. At least you'll enjoy the tropical weather.
On Mar 16, 1:15 pm, "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
[snip]
>
> Why would anyone use fake ID's or a fake BP to board a plane when they
> cannot as much bring more than 6 oz of liquid on board, and for what?
And so why do you like the ID check so much? Why does it make
you feel safe? Oh, and you can bring alot of oz of stuff on board,
just not more than 3 oz of any one thing.
> You make it sound like producing fake ID or a fake BP is easy as using
> a copy machine to print money.
Easier. WAY easier. Imagine for a moment that your PC was
allowed to act as an ATM and to actually print money. Now suppose
the only difference between a $10 bill and a $100 bill was the
extra zero on the paper. How difficult to make a $100 out of
the $10 bill would it be, especially for a bill which got as much
scrutiny as you BP does?
> I'd like to see you or anyone else
> try. It'll earn you a free trip to Guantanamo Bay real quick, one
> way. At least you'll enjoy the tropical weather
Who'd catch you? As long as you didn't try to board a plane
with it, you'd get through security no problem. Truth is,
as long as you altered a REAL BP, you'd get on the plane too.
[snip]
>
> Why would anyone use fake ID's or a fake BP to board a plane when they
> cannot as much bring more than 6 oz of liquid on board, and for what?
And so why do you like the ID check so much? Why does it make
you feel safe? Oh, and you can bring alot of oz of stuff on board,
just not more than 3 oz of any one thing.
> You make it sound like producing fake ID or a fake BP is easy as using
> a copy machine to print money.
Easier. WAY easier. Imagine for a moment that your PC was
allowed to act as an ATM and to actually print money. Now suppose
the only difference between a $10 bill and a $100 bill was the
extra zero on the paper. How difficult to make a $100 out of
the $10 bill would it be, especially for a bill which got as much
scrutiny as you BP does?
> I'd like to see you or anyone else
> try. It'll earn you a free trip to Guantanamo Bay real quick, one
> way. At least you'll enjoy the tropical weather
Who'd catch you? As long as you didn't try to board a plane
with it, you'd get through security no problem. Truth is,
as long as you altered a REAL BP, you'd get on the plane too.
yaofeng wrote:
>
> Why would anyone use fake ID's or a fake BP to board a plane when they
> cannot as much bring more than 6 oz of liquid on board,
Wrong again. You can bring on as many 3 oz containers that will fit in a
1 qt bag.
and for what?
> You make it sound like producing fake ID or a fake BP is easy as using
> a copy machine to print money.
It is. When you check in online, where do you think the BPs are created.
Mine come from my printer. Why do you think it would be so hard to
change a name on a computer printed BP?
I'd like to see you or anyone else
> try. It'll earn you a free trip to Guantanamo Bay real quick, one
> way. At least you'll enjoy the tropical weather.
A US citizen doing this would not go to Gitmo.
Please tell me how the lowly paid ID checker is going to be able to tell
whether the name on a BP actually matches the name on a reservation?
Have you ever been to an airport? Do the ID checker look people up on a
computer? Paper?
>
> Why would anyone use fake ID's or a fake BP to board a plane when they
> cannot as much bring more than 6 oz of liquid on board,
Wrong again. You can bring on as many 3 oz containers that will fit in a
1 qt bag.
and for what?
> You make it sound like producing fake ID or a fake BP is easy as using
> a copy machine to print money.
It is. When you check in online, where do you think the BPs are created.
Mine come from my printer. Why do you think it would be so hard to
change a name on a computer printed BP?
I'd like to see you or anyone else
> try. It'll earn you a free trip to Guantanamo Bay real quick, one
> way. At least you'll enjoy the tropical weather.
A US citizen doing this would not go to Gitmo.
Please tell me how the lowly paid ID checker is going to be able to tell
whether the name on a BP actually matches the name on a reservation?
Have you ever been to an airport? Do the ID checker look people up on a
computer? Paper?
"yaofeng" <yaofengchen@gmail . com > wrote in message
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> On Mar 16, 10:33 am, DevilsPGD <spam_narf_s...@crazyhat . net > wrote:
>> In message <1174051267.890518.10...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups . com >
>>
>> "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>> >I agree the ID check at the TSA screening point is not strigent
>> >enough. The person simply compares your BP with your photo ID and
>> >sees if you are the person you say you are. So you'll have to
>> >convince the airline couner agent with your fake ID to get your BP.
>> >Either that or you produce a set of fake ID and a fake BP all by
>> >yourself. Can it be done? In the movies probably.
>>
>> You don't need fake ID, just a fake boarding pass which matches your
>> REAL ID.
>> --
>> Insert something clever here.
>
> I presume you can pick up a fake boarding pass that matches you real
> ID like getting soft drinks from a vending machine?
Download a boarding pass online and edit it before printing. A lot easier
than putting money into a vending machine.
JohnT
JohnT wrote:
> Download a boarding pass online and edit it before printing. A lot easier
> than putting money into a vending machine.
>
Or if you don't have the ability to edit it before printting it:
print it, edit it, copy it
> Download a boarding pass online and edit it before printing. A lot easier
> than putting money into a vending machine.
>
Or if you don't have the ability to edit it before printting it:
print it, edit it, copy it
yaofeng wrote:
> On Mar 16, 10:33 am, DevilsPGD <spam_narf_s...@crazyhat . net > wrote:
>
>>In message <1174051267.890518.10...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups . com >
>>
>>"yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>>
>>>I agree the ID check at the TSA screening point is not strigent
>>>enough. The person simply compares your BP with your photo ID and
>>>sees if you are the person you say you are. So you'll have to
>>>convince the airline couner agent with your fake ID to get your BP.
>>>Either that or you produce a set of fake ID and a fake BP all by
>>>yourself. Can it be done? In the movies probably.
>>
>>You don't need fake ID, just a fake boarding pass which matches your
>>REAL ID.
>>--
>>Insert something clever here.
>
>
> I presume you can pick up a fake boarding pass that matches you real
> ID like getting soft drinks from a vending machine?
>
It can be done quite easily with a scanner/printer
> On Mar 16, 10:33 am, DevilsPGD <spam_narf_s...@crazyhat . net > wrote:
>
>>In message <1174051267.890518.10...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups . com >
>>
>>"yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>>
>>>I agree the ID check at the TSA screening point is not strigent
>>>enough. The person simply compares your BP with your photo ID and
>>>sees if you are the person you say you are. So you'll have to
>>>convince the airline couner agent with your fake ID to get your BP.
>>>Either that or you produce a set of fake ID and a fake BP all by
>>>yourself. Can it be done? In the movies probably.
>>
>>You don't need fake ID, just a fake boarding pass which matches your
>>REAL ID.
>>--
>>Insert something clever here.
>
>
> I presume you can pick up a fake boarding pass that matches you real
> ID like getting soft drinks from a vending machine?
>
It can be done quite easily with a scanner/printer
In article <1174051267.890518.10870@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups . com >, "yaofeng" <yaofengchen@gmail . com > wrote:
>
>I agree the ID check at the TSA screening point is not strigent
>enough. The person simply compares your BP with your photo ID and
>sees if you are the person you say you are. So you'll have to
>convince the airline couner agent with your fake ID to get your BP.
>Either that or you produce a set of fake ID and a fake BP all by
>yourself. Can it be done? In the movies probably.
>
>Hunt said you can check in online or do self check-in without going to
>the counter if you do not have a bag to check. I have never done
>that. But in order to do that you would have established your
>credentials with the airlines. Can they be faked? Maybe in the
>movies again.
You are joking right? All you need to do to checkin online is have your
confirmation number for the e-ticket. There is no such thing as "establishing
your credentials with the airline". In fact, in my last job, all of my tickets
(50+ per year) were bought in my name with my boss's credit card (obviously
not in my name). I would then checkin online 24hrs before the flight, show my
license to the ID checker, the boarding pass to the TSA, have the gate agent
scan the pass at the jetway and get on the plane. The gate agents don't even
LOOK at the pass as long as it is accepted by the computer.You could trade
passes with some random person in the airport and no one would ever know.
TSA Security is a complete dog-and-pony show, and a complete waste of my tax
money. And I flew 120+ segments last year! Remember, the 911 attackers had
absolutely NOTHING with them that was prohibited from being on an airplane at
that point. In fact, you could have a knife with up to a six inch blade -
boxcutters wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. The security failure was that they
were in the country in the first place!
Kevin Rhodes
Westbrook, Maine
>
>I agree the ID check at the TSA screening point is not strigent
>enough. The person simply compares your BP with your photo ID and
>sees if you are the person you say you are. So you'll have to
>convince the airline couner agent with your fake ID to get your BP.
>Either that or you produce a set of fake ID and a fake BP all by
>yourself. Can it be done? In the movies probably.
>
>Hunt said you can check in online or do self check-in without going to
>the counter if you do not have a bag to check. I have never done
>that. But in order to do that you would have established your
>credentials with the airlines. Can they be faked? Maybe in the
>movies again.
You are joking right? All you need to do to checkin online is have your
confirmation number for the e-ticket. There is no such thing as "establishing
your credentials with the airline". In fact, in my last job, all of my tickets
(50+ per year) were bought in my name with my boss's credit card (obviously
not in my name). I would then checkin online 24hrs before the flight, show my
license to the ID checker, the boarding pass to the TSA, have the gate agent
scan the pass at the jetway and get on the plane. The gate agents don't even
LOOK at the pass as long as it is accepted by the computer.You could trade
passes with some random person in the airport and no one would ever know.
TSA Security is a complete dog-and-pony show, and a complete waste of my tax
money. And I flew 120+ segments last year! Remember, the 911 attackers had
absolutely NOTHING with them that was prohibited from being on an airplane at
that point. In fact, you could have a knife with up to a six inch blade -
boxcutters wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. The security failure was that they
were in the country in the first place!
Kevin Rhodes
Westbrook, Maine
On Mar 16, 12:01 pm, krho...@maine.rr . com (Kevin Rhodes) wrote:
> In article <1174051267.890518.10...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups . com >, "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
>
>
> >I agree the ID check at the TSA screening point is not strigent
> >enough. The person simply compares your BP with your photo ID and
> >sees if you are the person you say you are. So you'll have to
> >convince the airline couner agent with your fake ID to get your BP.
> >Either that or you produce a set of fake ID and a fake BP all by
> >yourself. Can it be done? In the movies probably.
>
> >Hunt said you can check in online or do self check-in without going to
> >the counter if you do not have a bag to check. I have never done
> >that. But in order to do that you would have established your
> >credentials with the airlines. Can they be faked? Maybe in the
> >movies again.
>
> You are joking right? All you need to do to checkin online is have your
> confirmation number for the e-ticket. There is no such thing as "establishing
> your credentials with the airline". In fact, in my last job, all of my tickets
> (50+ per year) were bought in my name with my boss's credit card (obviously
> not in my name). I would then checkin online 24hrs before the flight, show my
> license to the ID checker, the boarding pass to the TSA, have the gate agent
> scan the pass at the jetway and get on the plane. The gate agents don't even
> LOOK at the pass as long as it is accepted by the computer.You could trade
> passes with some random person in the airport and no one would ever know.
Please tell me you also use fake ID's flying all the time. I presume
you are also trading BP's with your fellow passengers just for fun.
>
> TSA Security is a complete dog-and-pony show, and a complete waste of my tax
> money. And I flew 120+ segments last year! Remember, the 911 attackers had
> absolutely NOTHING with them that was prohibited from being on an airplane at
> that point. In fact, you could have a knife with up to a six inch blade -
> boxcutters wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. The security failure was that they
> were in the country in the first place!
>
Apparently enough people still think the TSA is not a dog and pony
show we are still paying to have them at the airports. I am one of
them. I don't like it but I learn to live with it as part of the
hassle when I travel. If you find a way to have a knife with a six
inch blade to get pass the security check point please let me know.
Not that I need it. Actually, all carriers have switched back to
stainless steel silverware after a brief period following 9/11 using
plastic ones.
> In article <1174051267.890518.10...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups . com >, "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
>
>
> >I agree the ID check at the TSA screening point is not strigent
> >enough. The person simply compares your BP with your photo ID and
> >sees if you are the person you say you are. So you'll have to
> >convince the airline couner agent with your fake ID to get your BP.
> >Either that or you produce a set of fake ID and a fake BP all by
> >yourself. Can it be done? In the movies probably.
>
> >Hunt said you can check in online or do self check-in without going to
> >the counter if you do not have a bag to check. I have never done
> >that. But in order to do that you would have established your
> >credentials with the airlines. Can they be faked? Maybe in the
> >movies again.
>
> You are joking right? All you need to do to checkin online is have your
> confirmation number for the e-ticket. There is no such thing as "establishing
> your credentials with the airline". In fact, in my last job, all of my tickets
> (50+ per year) were bought in my name with my boss's credit card (obviously
> not in my name). I would then checkin online 24hrs before the flight, show my
> license to the ID checker, the boarding pass to the TSA, have the gate agent
> scan the pass at the jetway and get on the plane. The gate agents don't even
> LOOK at the pass as long as it is accepted by the computer.You could trade
> passes with some random person in the airport and no one would ever know.
Please tell me you also use fake ID's flying all the time. I presume
you are also trading BP's with your fellow passengers just for fun.
>
> TSA Security is a complete dog-and-pony show, and a complete waste of my tax
> money. And I flew 120+ segments last year! Remember, the 911 attackers had
> absolutely NOTHING with them that was prohibited from being on an airplane at
> that point. In fact, you could have a knife with up to a six inch blade -
> boxcutters wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. The security failure was that they
> were in the country in the first place!
>
Apparently enough people still think the TSA is not a dog and pony
show we are still paying to have them at the airports. I am one of
them. I don't like it but I learn to live with it as part of the
hassle when I travel. If you find a way to have a knife with a six
inch blade to get pass the security check point please let me know.
Not that I need it. Actually, all carriers have switched back to
stainless steel silverware after a brief period following 9/11 using
plastic ones.
On Mar 16, 11:44 am, "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
> On Mar 16, 12:01 pm, krho...@maine.rr . com (Kevin Rhodes) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <1174051267.890518.10...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups . com >, "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> > >I agree the ID check at the TSA screening point is not strigent
> > >enough. The person simply compares your BP with your photo ID and
> > >sees if you are the person you say you are. So you'll have to
> > >convince the airline couner agent with your fake ID to get your BP.
> > >Either that or you produce a set of fake ID and a fake BP all by
> > >yourself. Can it be done? In the movies probably.
>
> > >Hunt said you can check in online or do self check-in without going to
> > >the counter if you do not have a bag to check. I have never done
> > >that. But in order to do that you would have established your
> > >credentials with the airlines. Can they be faked? Maybe in the
> > >movies again.
>
> > You are joking right? All you need to do to checkin online is have your
> > confirmation number for the e-ticket. There is no such thing as "establishing
> > your credentials with the airline". In fact, in my last job, all of my tickets
> > (50+ per year) were bought in my name with my boss's credit card (obviously
> > not in my name). I would then checkin online 24hrs before the flight, show my
> > license to the ID checker, the boarding pass to the TSA, have the gate agent
> > scan the pass at the jetway and get on the plane. The gate agents don't even
> > LOOK at the pass as long as it is accepted by the computer.You could trade
> > passes with some random person in the airport and no one would ever know.
>
> Please tell me you also use fake ID's flying all the time. I presume
> you are also trading BP's with your fellow passengers just for fun.
>
>
>
> > TSA Security is a complete dog-and-pony show, and a complete waste of my tax
> > money. And I flew 120+ segments last year! Remember, the 911 attackers had
> > absolutely NOTHING with them that was prohibited from being on an airplane at
> > that point. In fact, you could have a knife with up to a six inch blade -
> > boxcutters wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. The security failure was that they
> > were in the country in the first place!
>
> Apparently enough people still think the TSA is not a dog and pony
> show we are still paying to have them at the airports. I am one of
> them.
[snip]
Yes, you are part of the problem. You want the impression, the
appearance
of safety, without having the slightest ability to actually evaluate
whether there is any real safety invovled. You have no knowledge of
how
easy it is to create altered BP's much less how easy it is for a
terrorist
to produce a credibly false ID. Did you notice how easily a guy got
onto an aircraft at MCO with a bag full of guns and a bunch of weed?
Still feel safe?
> On Mar 16, 12:01 pm, krho...@maine.rr . com (Kevin Rhodes) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <1174051267.890518.10...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups . com >, "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> > >I agree the ID check at the TSA screening point is not strigent
> > >enough. The person simply compares your BP with your photo ID and
> > >sees if you are the person you say you are. So you'll have to
> > >convince the airline couner agent with your fake ID to get your BP.
> > >Either that or you produce a set of fake ID and a fake BP all by
> > >yourself. Can it be done? In the movies probably.
>
> > >Hunt said you can check in online or do self check-in without going to
> > >the counter if you do not have a bag to check. I have never done
> > >that. But in order to do that you would have established your
> > >credentials with the airlines. Can they be faked? Maybe in the
> > >movies again.
>
> > You are joking right? All you need to do to checkin online is have your
> > confirmation number for the e-ticket. There is no such thing as "establishing
> > your credentials with the airline". In fact, in my last job, all of my tickets
> > (50+ per year) were bought in my name with my boss's credit card (obviously
> > not in my name). I would then checkin online 24hrs before the flight, show my
> > license to the ID checker, the boarding pass to the TSA, have the gate agent
> > scan the pass at the jetway and get on the plane. The gate agents don't even
> > LOOK at the pass as long as it is accepted by the computer.You could trade
> > passes with some random person in the airport and no one would ever know.
>
> Please tell me you also use fake ID's flying all the time. I presume
> you are also trading BP's with your fellow passengers just for fun.
>
>
>
> > TSA Security is a complete dog-and-pony show, and a complete waste of my tax
> > money. And I flew 120+ segments last year! Remember, the 911 attackers had
> > absolutely NOTHING with them that was prohibited from being on an airplane at
> > that point. In fact, you could have a knife with up to a six inch blade -
> > boxcutters wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. The security failure was that they
> > were in the country in the first place!
>
> Apparently enough people still think the TSA is not a dog and pony
> show we are still paying to have them at the airports. I am one of
> them.
[snip]
Yes, you are part of the problem. You want the impression, the
appearance
of safety, without having the slightest ability to actually evaluate
whether there is any real safety invovled. You have no knowledge of
how
easy it is to create altered BP's much less how easy it is for a
terrorist
to produce a credibly false ID. Did you notice how easily a guy got
onto an aircraft at MCO with a bag full of guns and a bunch of weed?
Still feel safe?
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