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Re: BA places corpse next to first-class passenger
John Doe wrote:
> Craig Welch wrote:
>
>>> Nasty. He should get some sort of compensation.
>>
>> Nope. He should get over it, as the airline suggested.
>
>
>
> Assuming this isn't a hoax, the passenger should have demanded he be
> moved if they were unwilling to move the corpse.
>
> Normal airlines would put put the person in a body bag and stowe in in a
> lavatory. In the case of Singapore, on its 340-500s, they have stowage
> for a dead body so it doesn't close down one of the lavatories.
>
> It is absolutely unhygienic to keep a corpse in open spaces next to
> other people, especially for a very long flight.
>
>
> If BA really did what was written in that text, I suspect they are about
> to get a visit from health inspectors. My gut tells me this article is a
> hoax.
One point that suggests a hoax is the reference to the row he was
sitting in. While BA first class on a 747 does have some pairs of
adjacent seats for the most part there is nothing that would normally be
referred to as a row.
John Doe wrote:
> Craig Welch wrote:
>
>>> Nasty. He should get some sort of compensation.
>>
>> Nope. He should get over it, as the airline suggested.
>
>
>
> Assuming this isn't a hoax, the passenger should have demanded he be
> moved if they were unwilling to move the corpse.
>
> Normal airlines would put put the person in a body bag and stowe in in a
> lavatory. In the case of Singapore, on its 340-500s, they have stowage
> for a dead body so it doesn't close down one of the lavatories.
>
> It is absolutely unhygienic to keep a corpse in open spaces next to
> other people, especially for a very long flight.
>
>
> If BA really did what was written in that text, I suspect they are about
> to get a visit from health inspectors. My gut tells me this article is a
> hoax.
One point that suggests a hoax is the reference to the row he was
sitting in. While BA first class on a 747 does have some pairs of
adjacent seats for the most part there is nothing that would normally be
referred to as a row.
Re: BA places corpse next to first-class passenger
Frank F. Matthews wrote:
> One point that suggests a hoax is the reference to the row he was
> sitting in. While BA first class on a 747 does have some pairs of
> adjacent seats for the most part there is nothing that would normally be
> referred to as a row.
Seats don't have to be adjacent to comprise a row. In a typical BA 747,
rows 4 and 5 have each have four seats.
--
Craig
Frank F. Matthews wrote:
> One point that suggests a hoax is the reference to the row he was
> sitting in. While BA first class on a 747 does have some pairs of
> adjacent seats for the most part there is nothing that would normally be
> referred to as a row.
Seats don't have to be adjacent to comprise a row. In a typical BA 747,
rows 4 and 5 have each have four seats.
--
Craig
Re: BA places corpse next to first-class passenger
Craig Welch wrote:
> Frank F. Matthews wrote:
>
>> One point that suggests a hoax is the reference to the row he was
>> sitting in. While BA first class on a 747 does have some pairs of
>> adjacent seats for the most part there is nothing that would normally
>> be referred to as a row.
>
>
> Seats don't have to be adjacent to comprise a row. In a typical BA 747,
> rows 4 and 5 have each have four seats.
>
A strange concept of "row".
So the guy could have been complaining of a corps in his 'row' with two
aisles in between them. I really wonder where everyone was.
Craig Welch wrote:
> Frank F. Matthews wrote:
>
>> One point that suggests a hoax is the reference to the row he was
>> sitting in. While BA first class on a 747 does have some pairs of
>> adjacent seats for the most part there is nothing that would normally
>> be referred to as a row.
>
>
> Seats don't have to be adjacent to comprise a row. In a typical BA 747,
> rows 4 and 5 have each have four seats.
>
A strange concept of "row".
So the guy could have been complaining of a corps in his 'row' with two
aisles in between them. I really wonder where everyone was.
Re: BA places corpse next to first-class passenger
Craig Welch wrote:
> Frank F. Matthews wrote:
>
>> One point that suggests a hoax is the reference to the row he was
>> sitting in. While BA first class on a 747 does have some pairs of
>> adjacent seats for the most part there is nothing that would normally
>> be referred to as a row.
>
>
> Seats don't have to be adjacent to comprise a row. In a typical BA 747,
> rows 4 and 5 have each have four seats.
>
2 adjacent seats would be a row.
Craig Welch wrote:
> Frank F. Matthews wrote:
>
>> One point that suggests a hoax is the reference to the row he was
>> sitting in. While BA first class on a 747 does have some pairs of
>> adjacent seats for the most part there is nothing that would normally
>> be referred to as a row.
>
>
> Seats don't have to be adjacent to comprise a row. In a typical BA 747,
> rows 4 and 5 have each have four seats.
>
2 adjacent seats would be a row.
Re: BA places corpse next to first-class passenger
Mike Hunt wrote:
> Craig Welch wrote:
>> Frank F. Matthews wrote:
>>
>>> One point that suggests a hoax is the reference to the row he was
>>> sitting in. While BA first class on a 747 does have some pairs of
>>> adjacent seats for the most part there is nothing that would normally
>>> be referred to as a row.
>>
>>
>> Seats don't have to be adjacent to comprise a row. In a typical BA
>> 747, rows 4 and 5 have each have four seats.
>>
>
> 2 adjacent seats would be a row.
'Row 5' refers to a window seat; two adjacent seats in the middle; and
another window seat.
--
Craig
Mike Hunt wrote:
> Craig Welch wrote:
>> Frank F. Matthews wrote:
>>
>>> One point that suggests a hoax is the reference to the row he was
>>> sitting in. While BA first class on a 747 does have some pairs of
>>> adjacent seats for the most part there is nothing that would normally
>>> be referred to as a row.
>>
>>
>> Seats don't have to be adjacent to comprise a row. In a typical BA
>> 747, rows 4 and 5 have each have four seats.
>>
>
> 2 adjacent seats would be a row.
'Row 5' refers to a window seat; two adjacent seats in the middle; and
another window seat.
--
Craig
Re: BA places corpse next to first-class passenger
Craig Welch wrote:
> Mike Hunt wrote:
>
>> Craig Welch wrote:
>>
>>> Frank F. Matthews wrote:
>>>
>>>> One point that suggests a hoax is the reference to the row he was
>>>> sitting in. While BA first class on a 747 does have some pairs of
>>>> adjacent seats for the most part there is nothing that would
>>>> normally be referred to as a row.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seats don't have to be adjacent to comprise a row. In a typical BA
>>> 747, rows 4 and 5 have each have four seats.
>>>
>>
>> 2 adjacent seats would be a row.
>
>
> 'Row 5' refers to a window seat; two adjacent seats in the middle; and
> another window seat.
>
I was commenting on the statement that "pairs of adjacent seats" can not
normally be considered a row.
Craig Welch wrote:
> Mike Hunt wrote:
>
>> Craig Welch wrote:
>>
>>> Frank F. Matthews wrote:
>>>
>>>> One point that suggests a hoax is the reference to the row he was
>>>> sitting in. While BA first class on a 747 does have some pairs of
>>>> adjacent seats for the most part there is nothing that would
>>>> normally be referred to as a row.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seats don't have to be adjacent to comprise a row. In a typical BA
>>> 747, rows 4 and 5 have each have four seats.
>>>
>>
>> 2 adjacent seats would be a row.
>
>
> 'Row 5' refers to a window seat; two adjacent seats in the middle; and
> another window seat.
>
I was commenting on the statement that "pairs of adjacent seats" can not
normally be considered a row.
Re: BA places corpse next to first-class passenger
Craig Welch wrote:
> Mike Hunt wrote:
>
>> Craig Welch wrote:
>>
>>> Frank F. Matthews wrote:
>>>
>>>> One point that suggests a hoax is the reference to the row he was
>>>> sitting in. While BA first class on a 747 does have some pairs of
>>>> adjacent seats for the most part there is nothing that would
>>>> normally be referred to as a row.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seats don't have to be adjacent to comprise a row. In a typical BA
>>> 747, rows 4 and 5 have each have four seats.
>>>
>>
>> 2 adjacent seats would be a row.
>
>
> 'Row 5' refers to a window seat; two adjacent seats in the middle; and
> another window seat.
>
Both ends being isolated window seats well behind the center seats in
the same 'row'. Thus the body was at least an aisle away and probably
not normally in view.
Craig Welch wrote:
> Mike Hunt wrote:
>
>> Craig Welch wrote:
>>
>>> Frank F. Matthews wrote:
>>>
>>>> One point that suggests a hoax is the reference to the row he was
>>>> sitting in. While BA first class on a 747 does have some pairs of
>>>> adjacent seats for the most part there is nothing that would
>>>> normally be referred to as a row.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seats don't have to be adjacent to comprise a row. In a typical BA
>>> 747, rows 4 and 5 have each have four seats.
>>>
>>
>> 2 adjacent seats would be a row.
>
>
> 'Row 5' refers to a window seat; two adjacent seats in the middle; and
> another window seat.
>
Both ends being isolated window seats well behind the center seats in
the same 'row'. Thus the body was at least an aisle away and probably
not normally in view.
Re: BA places corpse next to first-class passenger
Mike Hunt wrote:
> Craig Welch wrote:
>
>> Frank F. Matthews wrote:
>>
>>> One point that suggests a hoax is the reference to the row he was
>>> sitting in. While BA first class on a 747 does have some pairs of
>>> adjacent seats for the most part there is nothing that would normally
>>> be referred to as a row.
>>
>>
>>
>> Seats don't have to be adjacent to comprise a row. In a typical BA
>> 747, rows 4 and 5 have each have four seats.
>>
>
> 2 adjacent seats would be a row.
Perhaps. In such a case I would complain about being seated next to a
corpse instead of that it was at the end of my row. I suspect that the
complaint would be more efficacious in that form.
Mike Hunt wrote:
> Craig Welch wrote:
>
>> Frank F. Matthews wrote:
>>
>>> One point that suggests a hoax is the reference to the row he was
>>> sitting in. While BA first class on a 747 does have some pairs of
>>> adjacent seats for the most part there is nothing that would normally
>>> be referred to as a row.
>>
>>
>>
>> Seats don't have to be adjacent to comprise a row. In a typical BA
>> 747, rows 4 and 5 have each have four seats.
>>
>
> 2 adjacent seats would be a row.
Perhaps. In such a case I would complain about being seated next to a
corpse instead of that it was at the end of my row. I suspect that the
complaint would be more efficacious in that form.
Re: BA places corpse next to first-class passenger
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:33:45 GMT, Craig Welch <craig@pacific . net .sg>
wrote:
>Thur wrote:
>
>> Nasty. He should get some sort of compensation.
>
>Nope. He should get over it, as the airline suggested.
Yeah it could have been worse - they could have seated Craig Welch
next to him, that would have *really* given him something to complain
about.
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:33:45 GMT, Craig Welch <craig@pacific . net .sg>
wrote:
>Thur wrote:
>
>> Nasty. He should get some sort of compensation.
>
>Nope. He should get over it, as the airline suggested.
Yeah it could have been worse - they could have seated Craig Welch
next to him, that would have *really* given him something to complain
about.
Re: BA places corpse next to first-class passenger
On Mar 18, 6:33 am, Craig Welch <c...@pacific . net .sg> wrote:
> Thur wrote:
> > Nasty. He should get some sort of compensation.
>
> Nope. He should get over it, as the airline suggested.
>
> --
> Craig
What does it mean the economy was full? The dead woman didn't have a
seat assignment? I think it is absolutely horible to let the first
class pasenger suffer rather than to leave her where she was seated
for the flight.
On Mar 18, 6:33 am, Craig Welch <c...@pacific . net .sg> wrote:
> Thur wrote:
> > Nasty. He should get some sort of compensation.
>
> Nope. He should get over it, as the airline suggested.
>
> --
> Craig
What does it mean the economy was full? The dead woman didn't have a
seat assignment? I think it is absolutely horible to let the first
class pasenger suffer rather than to leave her where she was seated
for the flight.
Re: BA places corpse next to first-class passenger
"yaofeng" <yaofengchen@gmail . com > wrote:
> What does it mean the economy was full? The dead woman didn't have a
> seat assignment? I think it is absolutely horible to let the first
> class pasenger suffer rather than to leave her where she was seated
> for the flight.
So it's OK if the dead passenger is left right beside someone in economy?
What if she had a middle seat?
"yaofeng" <yaofengchen@gmail . com > wrote:
> What does it mean the economy was full? The dead woman didn't have a
> seat assignment? I think it is absolutely horible to let the first
> class pasenger suffer rather than to leave her where she was seated
> for the flight.
So it's OK if the dead passenger is left right beside someone in economy?
What if she had a middle seat?
Re: BA places corpse next to first-class passenger
On Mar 18, 9:21 am, James Robinson <wasc...@212 . com > wrote:
> "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
> > What does it mean the economy was full? The dead woman didn't have a
> > seat assignment? I think it is absolutely horible to let the first
> > class pasenger suffer rather than to leave her where she was seated
> > for the flight.
>
> So it's OK if the dead passenger is left right beside someone in economy?
> What if she had a middle seat?
Not any more OK than leaving it next to a passenger who pay upward
$6000, $7000 for a long flight in first. I can understand if there
are two empty seats in a row in first/business to place the corpse in
one. If I were to sit next to a corpse in first/business, I'd move to
economy where the dead person used to sit.
On Mar 18, 9:21 am, James Robinson <wasc...@212 . com > wrote:
> "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
> > What does it mean the economy was full? The dead woman didn't have a
> > seat assignment? I think it is absolutely horible to let the first
> > class pasenger suffer rather than to leave her where she was seated
> > for the flight.
>
> So it's OK if the dead passenger is left right beside someone in economy?
> What if she had a middle seat?
Not any more OK than leaving it next to a passenger who pay upward
$6000, $7000 for a long flight in first. I can understand if there
are two empty seats in a row in first/business to place the corpse in
one. If I were to sit next to a corpse in first/business, I'd move to
economy where the dead person used to sit.
Re: BA places corpse next to first-class passenger
"yaofeng" <yaofengchen@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> James Robinson <wasc...@212 . com > wrote:
>>
>> "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>> >
>> > What does it mean the economy was full? The dead woman didn't have
>> > a seat assignment? I think it is absolutely horible to let the
>> > first class pasenger suffer rather than to leave her where she was
>> > seated for the flight.
>>
>> So it's OK if the dead passenger is left right beside someone in
>> economy? What if she had a middle seat?
>
> Not any more OK than leaving it next to a passenger who pay upward
> $6000, $7000 for a long flight in first. I can understand if there
> are two empty seats in a row in first/business to place the corpse in
> one. If I were to sit next to a corpse in first/business, I'd move to
> economy where the dead person used to sit.
If you read other news articles, you will see that the aircraft was a
747, which was almost full in economy class. The body, along with the
grieving relatives, was moved into first class, and placed in an empty
set of seats on the opposite side of the cabin, two aisles away from the
person complaining about the procedure. Here's and example article:
* w w w .timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1530572.ece
Like it or not, deaths on aircraft happen regularly, and the typical
response is to move the person to an empty row, if one is available.
It's not as though a coroner is readily available to remove the deceased
so as not to inconvenience the other passengers.
"yaofeng" <yaofengchen@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> James Robinson <wasc...@212 . com > wrote:
>>
>> "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>> >
>> > What does it mean the economy was full? The dead woman didn't have
>> > a seat assignment? I think it is absolutely horible to let the
>> > first class pasenger suffer rather than to leave her where she was
>> > seated for the flight.
>>
>> So it's OK if the dead passenger is left right beside someone in
>> economy? What if she had a middle seat?
>
> Not any more OK than leaving it next to a passenger who pay upward
> $6000, $7000 for a long flight in first. I can understand if there
> are two empty seats in a row in first/business to place the corpse in
> one. If I were to sit next to a corpse in first/business, I'd move to
> economy where the dead person used to sit.
If you read other news articles, you will see that the aircraft was a
747, which was almost full in economy class. The body, along with the
grieving relatives, was moved into first class, and placed in an empty
set of seats on the opposite side of the cabin, two aisles away from the
person complaining about the procedure. Here's and example article:
* w w w .timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1530572.ece
Like it or not, deaths on aircraft happen regularly, and the typical
response is to move the person to an empty row, if one is available.
It's not as though a coroner is readily available to remove the deceased
so as not to inconvenience the other passengers.
Re: BA places corpse next to first-class passenger
On Mar 18, 10:41 am, James Robinson <wasc...@212 . com > wrote:
> "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> > James Robinson <wasc...@212 . com > wrote:
>
> >> "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> >> > What does it mean the economy was full? The dead woman didn't have
> >> > a seat assignment? I think it is absolutely horible to let the
> >> > first class pasenger suffer rather than to leave her where she was
> >> > seated for the flight.
>
> >> So it's OK if the dead passenger is left right beside someone in
> >> economy? What if she had a middle seat?
>
> > Not any more OK than leaving it next to a passenger who pay upward
> > $6000, $7000 for a long flight in first. I can understand if there
> > are two empty seats in a row in first/business to place the corpse in
> > one. If I were to sit next to a corpse in first/business, I'd move to
> > economy where the dead person used to sit.
>
> If you read other news articles, you will see that the aircraft was a
> 747, which was almost full in economy class. The body, along with the
> grieving relatives, was moved into first class, and placed in an empty
> set of seats on the opposite side of the cabin, two aisles away from the
> person complaining about the procedure. Here's and example article:
>
> * w w w .timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1530572.ece
>
> Like it or not, deaths on aircraft happen regularly, and the typical
> response is to move the person to an empty row, if one is available.
> It's not as though a coroner is readily available to remove the deceased
> so as not to inconvenience the other passengers.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sorry. I didn't know.
Interesting about the differences in custom of grieving for the
deceased relatives between east and west. More often than not it is
proper in the east to wail than to maintain dignity. Failing to wail
for the deceased by certain relatives could be taken as a sign of
indifference. The hipocracy of this custom, if you can call it that,
is you can no longer distinduish if wailing show the true emotions
anymore. In the past there are professional wailers in Taiwan for
hire for the occasion in a funeral. Don't know if the practice is
still kept today.
It would be very disconcerting for me to be seated in the same row
with a corpse, albeit not next to me, and hear the relatives wail
through the journey. I'd rather go to economy if I were in that
situation. And I agree with thw airline, I don't think the first
class passengers have a case.
On Mar 18, 10:41 am, James Robinson <wasc...@212 . com > wrote:
> "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> > James Robinson <wasc...@212 . com > wrote:
>
> >> "yaofeng" <yaofengc...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> >> > What does it mean the economy was full? The dead woman didn't have
> >> > a seat assignment? I think it is absolutely horible to let the
> >> > first class pasenger suffer rather than to leave her where she was
> >> > seated for the flight.
>
> >> So it's OK if the dead passenger is left right beside someone in
> >> economy? What if she had a middle seat?
>
> > Not any more OK than leaving it next to a passenger who pay upward
> > $6000, $7000 for a long flight in first. I can understand if there
> > are two empty seats in a row in first/business to place the corpse in
> > one. If I were to sit next to a corpse in first/business, I'd move to
> > economy where the dead person used to sit.
>
> If you read other news articles, you will see that the aircraft was a
> 747, which was almost full in economy class. The body, along with the
> grieving relatives, was moved into first class, and placed in an empty
> set of seats on the opposite side of the cabin, two aisles away from the
> person complaining about the procedure. Here's and example article:
>
> * w w w .timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1530572.ece
>
> Like it or not, deaths on aircraft happen regularly, and the typical
> response is to move the person to an empty row, if one is available.
> It's not as though a coroner is readily available to remove the deceased
> so as not to inconvenience the other passengers.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sorry. I didn't know.
Interesting about the differences in custom of grieving for the
deceased relatives between east and west. More often than not it is
proper in the east to wail than to maintain dignity. Failing to wail
for the deceased by certain relatives could be taken as a sign of
indifference. The hipocracy of this custom, if you can call it that,
is you can no longer distinduish if wailing show the true emotions
anymore. In the past there are professional wailers in Taiwan for
hire for the occasion in a funeral. Don't know if the practice is
still kept today.
It would be very disconcerting for me to be seated in the same row
with a corpse, albeit not next to me, and hear the relatives wail
through the journey. I'd rather go to economy if I were in that
situation. And I agree with thw airline, I don't think the first
class passengers have a case.
Re: BA places corpse next to first-class passenger
yaofeng wrote:
> Interesting about the differences in custom of grieving for the
> deceased relatives between east and west. More often than not it is
> proper in the east to wail than to maintain dignity. Failing to wail
> for the deceased by certain relatives could be taken as a sign of
> indifference. The hipocracy of this custom, if you can call it that,
> is you can no longer distinduish if wailing show the true emotions
> anymore. In the past there are professional wailers in Taiwan for
> hire for the occasion in a funeral. Don't know if the practice is
> still kept today.
I'm waiting for someone to pop up and suggest that the airline should be
sued for not having professional wailers on board in case of a death.
--
Craig
yaofeng wrote:
> Interesting about the differences in custom of grieving for the
> deceased relatives between east and west. More often than not it is
> proper in the east to wail than to maintain dignity. Failing to wail
> for the deceased by certain relatives could be taken as a sign of
> indifference. The hipocracy of this custom, if you can call it that,
> is you can no longer distinduish if wailing show the true emotions
> anymore. In the past there are professional wailers in Taiwan for
> hire for the occasion in a funeral. Don't know if the practice is
> still kept today.
I'm waiting for someone to pop up and suggest that the airline should be
sued for not having professional wailers on board in case of a death.
--
Craig
